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1. 12:29 AM - brake hose routing XS mono (Keith Hickling)
2. 10:01 AM - Re: brake hose routing XS mono (NevEyre@aol.com)
3. 12:22 PM - EFIS thoughts (MJKTuck@cs.com)
4. 12:26 PM - 912 Voltage Regulator Values (Steve Crimm)
5. 12:27 PM - 912 Voltage Regulator Values (Steve Crimm)
6. 01:05 PM - Re: EFIS thoughts (Trevpond@aol.com)
7. 02:01 PM - Re: EFIS thoughts (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
8. 02:19 PM - Sun n Fun (Alan Burrows)
9. 03:07 PM - Re: Sun n Fun (nigel charles)
10. 03:25 PM - Re: Sun n Fun (N55XS)
11. 03:28 PM - Re: 912 Voltage Regulator Values (nigel charles)
12. 04:02 PM - Re: Sun n Fun (rick)
13. 04:29 PM - Re: Sun n Fun Jeff (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
14. 05:03 PM - Re: Sun n Fun Jeff (N55XS)
15. 05:19 PM - Re: EFIS thoughts (Keith Hickling)
16. 06:22 PM - Re: EFIS thoughts (Keith Hickling)
17. 07:08 PM - Re: Sun n Fun (Kim Prout)
18. 08:48 PM - Re: EFIS thoughts (Paul McAllister)
19. 09:49 PM - Re: EFIS thoughts (glenn crowder)
20. 10:21 PM - Re: brake hose routing XS mono (William Mills)
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| Subject: | brake hose routing XS mono |
Evening all,
Can someone please help me with the routing of the brake hose? The
manual says to rout it from the brake caliper up the swing arm, forward
of the LG08 retraction arms and over the top of the large horizontal
tube of the LG mounting frame that the LG09 shaft goes through, up to
the top of the tunnel and back to the master cylinder.
But my hose is 15 - 20 cm too short for that routing. It is 121 cm long
from the screw fittings, and this is not long enough even to go directly
from the master cylinder directly forward to the large tube on the LG
mounting frame and directly back to the slave cylinder. Roger Bull tells
me that 121 cm is the standard length. So have I misunderstood the
manual? Has anyone else had this problem? Can someone with it accessible
please measure the length of their hose for me?
Thanks,
Keith Hickling,
New Zealand,
Kit 613
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| Subject: | Re: brake hose routing XS mono |
Hi Keith,
There was a batch of brake lines sent out by Europa [ the '' old '' Europa ]
that were too short, guess you must have one of those ?
Get EO4 to supply you with a length to suit, tell them it is the BLACK line
you need. You don't need the fittings [ cut them off the old one ] as the
ends get flared the first time you fit the pipe.
Cheers,
Nev.
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Hi Folks,
I'm thinking (dreaming I think at this stage) to upgrade my panel to EFIS.
I like the combined EFIS/EMS by the likes of Dynon. Anyone got any panel
shots of an EFIS equipped Europa as I'm interested to see how the water temp as
well as oil temps and pressures are displayed.
Also I figure just a VFR panel is all I need.
I'm not so keen on having all your primary instrumentation in one box. If the
box gets a fault in flight you loose everything so I figure some kind of
mechanical backup (or secondary EMS of some kind) is necessary.
Any thoughts on what instrumentation should have backup and how?
Regards,
Martin Tuck
Europa N152MT
Wichita, Kansas
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| Subject: | 912 Voltage Regulator Values |
Got 912 regulator questions, after lots of trouble shooting of the
electrics, I think I have narrowed it down to regulator not functioning
correctly. But first some questions...
1. What is the a/c voltage input to the the regulator supposed to be? I am
showing 15.4
2. What is the d/c output voltage supposed to be? I am showing voltage of
12.85 (battery voltage I believe)? My thinking is that it should be 14.5 or
some where in that neighborhood.
Thanks,
Steve
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| Subject: | 912 Voltage Regulator Values |
Got 912 regulator questions, after lots of trouble shooting of the
electrics, I think I have narrowed it down to regulator not functioning
correctly. But first some questions...
1. What is the a/c voltage input to the the regulator supposed to be? I am
showing 15.4
2. What is the d/c output voltage supposed to be? I am showing voltage of
12.85 (battery voltage I believe)? My thinking is that it should be 14.5 or
some where in that neighborhood.
Thanks,
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: EFIS thoughts |
Hi Martin,
Saw your note on the Europa Web and thought you would like a picture of my
panel. Note that I also have a complete set of miniature guages - I feel
that they are essential. The EFIS is a Blue Mountain Lite plus Gen 4 and it is
pretty good although the earlier ones were very troublesome.
kind regards
Trev Pond
G-LINN
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| Subject: | Re: EFIS thoughts |
Hi Trev.
I'm looking very close to your same setup. But using the large Dynon in
place of the Blue Mountain.
What is that back up instrument between the Airspeed and the Altimeter? It's
not an electronic miniature horizon is it?
It is not clear to me if full size ASI ALT and AI will fit in the panel under
a Dynon D100. It looks too tight.
There are a number of option for 2 1/2" AS and ALT but few Attitude
indicators. The only one I have found is from Mid West Instruments. They offer
a small
trio pack. ASI ALT and AI
The 2" trio backup set from Mid West is unbelievably expensive. I would like
to consider options to that same setup
Brian Skelly
Europa XS TriGear #A276
North Texas USA
You can see my build photos at:
http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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Hi All
Who is coming over from UK/ Europe for Sun n Fun ?
Kate & I will be there Wed,Thurs and possibly Friday
Look forward to seeing everyone
Kind Regards
Alan
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I will be coming over to the show on Wednesday.
Nigel Charles
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Burrows
Sent: 14 April 2007 22:16
Subject: Europa-List: Sun n Fun
Hi All
Who is coming over from UK/ Europe for Sun n Fun ?
Kate & I will be there Wed,Thurs and possibly Friday
Look forward to seeing everyone
Kind Regards
Alan
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Mary and I will be there Monday afternoon, though we'll be driving, as a
last minute problem with Baby Blue will prevent us flying. I look
forward to seeing everyone and discussing a possible cure to N55XS' illness.
Jeff
Alan Burrows wrote:
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> Who is coming over from UK/ Europe for Sun n Fun ?
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> Kate & I will be there Wed,Thurs and possibly Friday
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> Look forward to seeing everyone
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> Kind Regards
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| Subject: | 912 Voltage Regulator Values |
* What is the a/c voltage input to the the regulator supposed to
be? I am showing 15.4<
The voltage will depend very much on how much load the regulator puts on
the generator output. It is likely that the generator will provide all
or nothing as it is just a collection of coils. The fact that you are
reading a voltage at the input of the regulator infers that the problem
is downstream of the generator.
>What is the d/c output voltage supposed to be? I am showing voltage of
12.85 (battery voltage I believe)? My thinking is that it should be
14.5 or some where in that neighborhood.<
Once you have a voltage over 13 volts it is pretty certain that the
battery is receiving charge. An ammeter as well as a voltmeter helps to
show what is happening. Mine shows about 13.8 volts when on charge.
>From the sound of it your regulator is probably at fault.
There are two ways to improve regulator reliability:
1. Mount it in an area where it is kept relatively cool and free of
vibration. On top of the footwell is the usual choice. Added ram air
directed at the regulator is a good idea particularly with Classic
Europas. The under cowl temperatures with the Classic tend to be higher
as the exhaust air from the radiators routes through the engine bay. I
use the NACA duct on the lower starboard side of the cowl to provide ram
air for cooling for the fuel pipes using 2 inch flexible pipe. The pipe
outlet points at the regulator ensuring it receives a cool air supply.
2. Limit your standing load to no more than 11 amps. The Europa is
a VFR aircraft so even with a fairly comprehensive panel I find this
quite easy to achieve. It becomes more of a problem if you include
landing or navigation lights.
Nigel Charles
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Hi
Ray and I will be at S & F on Thursday, Friday and maybe Saturday. 07850
356371. Europa stand about 11 each day.
All the best.
Rick G-RIKS
Tri 912S.
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Burrows
Sent: 14 April 2007 22:16
Subject: Europa-List: Sun n Fun
Hi All
Who is coming over from UK/ Europe for Sun n Fun ?
Kate & I will be there Wed,Thurs and possibly Friday
Look forward to seeing everyone
Kind Regards
Alan
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| Subject: | Re: Sun n Fun Jeff |
Jeff:
Will you and Mary be there on Friday? Teri and I will e there on only on
that day. Illness?
Brian Skelly
Europa XS TriGear #A276
North Texas USA
You can see my build photos at:
http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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| Subject: | Re: Sun n Fun Jeff |
Brian,
Yes we will be there, probably leaving Saturday. Weird problem, that
defies explanation. I'll tap the 912S gurus minds at the show. Hope to
see you there...
Jeff
EuropaXSA276@aol.com wrote:
> Jeff:
> Will you and Mary be there on Friday? Teri and I will e there on only
> on that day. Illness?
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> Europa XS TriGear #A276
> North Texas USA
> You can see my build photos at:
> http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
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| Subject: | Re: EFIS thoughts |
Hi Trev,
I also have the BM EFIS lite plus G4 - I think one of the early ones
they shipped. Not yet installed, but on bench testing it seems fine
apart from the GPS terrain display, which breaks up into quite large
white triangles around the coastline, and shows only red and white. I'm
not sure if this is a problem with the New Zealand terrain software or
with the unit itself. I have emailed BM several times and sent them
photos of this and have had no response.
What are the problems with the early units that you mentioned? Any
suggestions about this problem? Does anyone else have a BM EFIS lite G4,
and is it working OK?
Could someone going to Sun ' Fun please ask BM about this problem and
why they haven't responded to my emails - many thanks.
Regards,
Keith Hickling,
New Zealand,
XS mono kit 613.
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From: Trevpond@aol.com
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 8:03 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: EFIS thoughts
Hi Martin,
Saw your note on the Europa Web and thought you would like a picture
of my panel. Note that I also have a complete set of miniature guages
- I feel that they are essential. The EFIS is a Blue Mountain Lite plus
Gen 4 and it is pretty good although the earlier ones were very
troublesome.
kind regards
Trev Pond
G-LINN
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| Subject: | Re: EFIS thoughts |
Hi Trev,
Here is a photo of my BM EFIS GPS terrain display, showing only red and
white and breaking up round the coastline.
Regards,
Keith Hickling,
New Zealand.
----- Original Message -----
From: Trevpond@aol.com
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 8:03 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: EFIS thoughts
Hi Martin,
Saw your note on the Europa Web and thought you would like a picture
of my panel. Note that I also have a complete set of miniature guages
- I feel that they are essential. The EFIS is a Blue Mountain Lite plus
Gen 4 and it is pretty good although the earlier ones were very
troublesome.
kind regards
Trev Pond
G-LINN
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Hey Nigel!
I will be helping my friends at the IK Technologies booth located in Bldg C,
#074. Please come by to see me.
kp
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Hi Martin,
I installed the GRT Sport and I am delighted with it. I already had the
GRT EIS engine monitor so it made the decision a bit easier. I liked the
Dyon but despite the manufacturers claim it isn't very readable in the sun
light. The Dyon has a bigger display, and although bigger is better I
couldn't have done the panel layout that you see in the photos, which is
really what I wanted to do.
The EFIS Sport worked perfectly right out of the box with the minimum on
fuss. I intend to exchange the T&B for a 2 1/4 ADI from TruTrack when it
becomes available. The ADI is a and AH + digital heading, almost like an AH
& a DG in one instrument. Nice box but it is a bit expensive.
Contact me off forum if you would like to know more.
Regards, Paul
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Just talked to a guy tonite at the EAA meeting who was finishing up an RV7
and has had
nothing but problems with the Dynon engine monitoring system. (The Dynon f
light instrument
system has been good tho) He says even their downloadable updates don't wor
k. Very unhappy customer!
Glenn
From: EuropaXSA276@aol.comDate: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 16:58:13 -0400Subject: Re:
Europa-List: EFIS thoughtsTo: europa-list@matronics.com
Hi Trev.
I'm looking very close to your same setup. But using the large Dynon in p
lace of the Blue Mountain.
What is that back up instrument between the Airspeed and the Altimeter? It'
s not an electronic miniature horizon is it?
It is not clear to me if full size ASI ALT and AI will fit in the panel und
er a Dynon D100. It looks too tight.
There are a number of option for 2 1/2" AS and ALT but few Attitude indica
tors. The only one I have found is from Mid West Instruments. They offer a
small trio pack. ASI ALT and AI
The 2" trio backup set from Mid West is unbelievably expensive. I would lik
e to consider options to that same setup
Brian SkellyEuropa XS TriGear #A276North Texas USAYou can see my build phot
os at:http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
See what's free at AOL.com.
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u need it.
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| Subject: | Re: brake hose routing XS mono |
Keith et al,
I know of at least two Europa Monos that lost all braking owing to a
leak in the brake pipe, because the brake pipes were retained by plastic
cable ties. Apparently the cable ties eventually wear through the nylon
and release all the brake pressure when it is needed! I replaced mine
before it happened, but this time I routed the pipe to cut the corner,
i.e. the bend is inside the swinging arm pivot point. This way I can
keep a check on the whole length of pipe and I also use rubber lined "P"
clips to retain it in position and a sleeve of split silicone tube to
protect it where it might rub on the walls of the U/C tunnel. If you
consider routing yours this way, I would expect your pipe is long
enough.
Regards,
William
----- Original Message -----
From: Keith Hickling
To: Eurpoa List
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 8:02 AM
Subject: Europa-List: brake hose routing XS mono
Evening all,
Can someone please help me with the routing of the brake hose? The
manual says to rout it from the brake caliper up the swing arm, forward
of the LG08 retraction arms and over the top of the large horizontal
tube of the LG mounting frame that the LG09 shaft goes through, up to
the top of the tunnel and back to the master cylinder.
But my hose is 15 - 20 cm too short for that routing. It is 121 cm
long from the screw fittings, and this is not long enough even to go
directly from the master cylinder directly forward to the large tube on
the LG mounting frame and directly back to the slave cylinder. Roger
Bull tells me that 121 cm is the standard length. So have I
misunderstood the manual? Has anyone else had this problem? Can someone
with it accessible please measure the length of their hose for me?
Thanks,
Keith Hickling,
New Zealand,
Kit 613
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