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1. 12:48 AM - Re: YAESU Aviator Pilot II (Kurt A. Schumacher)
2. 01:23 AM - Re: 912 Voltage Regulator Values (Gilles Thesee)
3. 02:58 AM - Re: EFIS thoughts (UVTReith@aol.com)
4. 06:20 AM - Re: Fw: Tour de France 2007 June 2-10th (William Daniell)
5. 06:29 AM - Re: YAESU Aviator Pilot II (William Daniell)
6. 07:50 AM - Re: EFIS thoughts (Simon Smith)
7. 09:57 AM - Re: Aeropoxy 6228 (gregoryf.flyboy)
8. 12:02 PM - Re: Aeropoxy 6228 (jimpuglise@comcast.net)
9. 12:28 PM - Re: Axle NUts (martymason)
10. 01:18 PM - Re: Axle NUts (Al Stills)
11. 04:39 PM - Re: Aeropoxy 6228---Araldite 420 (DJGeldermann)
12. 04:51 PM - Re: Aeropoxy 6228---Araldite 420 (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
13. 05:08 PM - Joe Like (Steve Crimm)
14. 06:07 PM - Re: Sun N Fun (Roger Lowe)
15. 07:05 PM - Araldite / EpiBond 420 Texas Supplier (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
16. 07:45 PM - Re: Sun N Fun (jimpuglise@comcast.net)
17. 07:58 PM - Re: Sun N Fun (Steve Crimm)
18. 09:53 PM - Re: Sun N Fun (Kingsley Hurst)
19. 11:11 PM - Re: Sun N Fun (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
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Subject: | YAESU Aviator Pilot II |
Hi Will,
> Is it the same thing as you get round laptop power cables?
Yes - but you need to wrap the cable about 3..6 or more times through the
toroid type as seen on notebook power supplies or analog computer monitor
(VGA) cables to create a good RF resistor
Key cause is (among many others) a poor grounding. You only speak of the
antenna extension and the headset. Even if you do not intend to power or
charge the Yaesu from the plane's DC, we suggest making a good mass
connection between the enclosure (mass on the DC connector) and your
aircraft grounding.
Worth a try is grounding the headset connector ground to the aircraft
ground, too.
In case you will wire-up a power supply to the Yaesu, please ensure to
install a voltage and/or current limiter as provided with the matching car
adapter by the supplier.
Hope this helps you fixing your installation.
Regards,
-Kurt.
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 8:35 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: YAESU Aviator Pilot II
Morning Will
There seem to be two sorts one which is a component and is actually
connected in series with the wire and another that simply wraps around the
outside of the cable those are the bumps on the PC cables (I think). I
would ask Yaesu for more information (make and model number and where in the
set up it goes) I would guess round the headset cable to cut out the stray
hum. Radios are strange things, the one that has always worked most
reliably for me has been my Icom handheld (Now 15 years old) with or without
headset plugged in.
Good luck.
Pete
If it whines when away from the aeroplane you could take to whole setup to
say Radio Shack and try the fix in the shop.
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Daniell
Sent: 16 April 2007 01:50
Subject: RE: Europa-List: YAESU Aviator Pilot II
Thanks Pete
The radio is a self contained handheld. It has an adapter for use with
headphones. It works fine without headset but when you use the adapter you
get the whine. The yaesu email help desk said use this ferrite choke thing
(I now know what they mean) but not where to put it.. I am assuming that the
ferrite choke would go on the headset cable?
Is it the same thing as you get round laptop power cables?
Will
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 11:52
Subject: RE: Europa-List: YAESU Aviator Pilot II
Hi Will
A ferrite choke is a coil of wire wound onto a ferrite rod. It has the
effect of passing DC ok but offering a high resistance to AC. If you put it
in the supply line to whatever an Aviator Pilot is it stops the stray AC
getting through and kills the whine.
Regards
Pete
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Daniell
Sent: 15 April 2007 17:32
Subject: Europa-List: YAESU Aviator Pilot II
Has anyone "plumbed in" opne of these portables. I think I saw one
attached to a panel but I can't remember where.
Apparently it is not as simple as just connecting the headset and an antenna
extension. You get a strong whine through the headset. I am told by Yaesu
helpdesk that you need a ferrite choke. Not wishing to appear ignorant.but
what the hell is a ferrite choke?
Will
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Subject: | Re: 912 Voltage Regulator Values |
Steve Crimm a crit :
> Got 912 regulator questions, after lots of trouble shooting of the
> electrics, I think I have narrowed it down to regulator not
> functioning correctly. But first some questions...
>
> 1. What is the a/c voltage input to the the regulator supposed to
> be? I am showing 15.4
At max rev, the PM alternator can generate as high as 80-100 V. The
voltage is far from being a sine wave.
>
> 2. What is the d/c output voltage supposed to be? I am showing
> voltage of 12.85 (battery voltage I believe)? My thinking is that it
> should be 14.5 or some where in that neighborhood.
The Rotax regulator puts out around 13.8 V when not too heavily loaded.
12.85 V is the voltage of a fully charged battery.
Did you check the connection of the regulator case to ground, with a
wire capable of at least 15-20 amps ?
Some info at
http://contrails.free.fr/elec_ducati_en.php
Regards,
Gilles
http://contrails.free.fr
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Subject: | Re: EFIS thoughts |
Hi All, looking for an EFIS like Dynon.
As the smart-Brabus engine has no connection for vauum pump I sold that
stuff and bought an Dynon D100.
Yes- it's true, you have to pay in advance without security.
With my big other instruments still in hand, I simply made a new panel
layout for the monowheel.
The four 80 mm (3 1/8") instruments ASI - VSI - ALT will go on top (from
left to right) and the electr. turn c. will go left beside the D100. Then I
have
two 57 mm (2 1/4") holes - one for prop setting and one still free - maybe
for S-code Transponder.
PLease see attached picture.
Good building and flying to all,
Bruno
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Subject: | Fw: Tour de France 2007 June 2-10th |
Dari
Weeelll as usual my plans are flexible in the extreme...but visit sounds
perfect. I will mail you when plans firm up.
Fondest to all
Will
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dari Sagar
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 13:16
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fw: Tour de France 2007 June 2-10th
William,
Do I understand that you'll be in the UK shortly? If so, why not spend a few
days with us here in beautiful Upton Snodsbury? You are most welcome.
I sold my Europa on my return home from our South American trip, but am
still flying as I have joined a syndicate which operate a mono-wheel Europa.
It's unlikely that we'll be going on the Tour de France trip this time
around as we've got a few other committments which clash tour dates.
Anyway, if you are in the country give me a bell. (Home): 01905 381688
(Mobile): 07900 056343. Gail sends regards. Cheers,
Dari
>From: "William Daniell" <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fw: Tour de France 2007 June 2-10th Date:
>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:14:28 -0500
>
>Anyone want a co-pilot?
>
>
> _____
>
>From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Hitchcock
>Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 14:03
>To: europa-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Europa-List: Fw: Tour de France 2007 June 2-10th
>
>
>Last call
>
>
>The flavour of the tour will be unchanged: essentially it is a fairly
>gentle
>trip allowing plenty of time to experience the delights of France.
>
> While most participants are experienced, it is the ideal trip for first
>time cross-channel pilots and for wives who dont think that being in a
>plane all day is what makes a perfect holiday!
>
>We intend to include a visit to La Fert Alais where there is a magnificent
>collection of old aircraft. Contact Bob (robert.hitchcock@virgin.net tel.
>01773 825864.
>
>
_________________________________________________________________
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Subject: | YAESU Aviator Pilot II |
Pete,
Thanks for this.
I think that I will try the Radio shack option.
The whine appears when I transmit in or out of the aircraft. The radio
works fine without the headset. ("You'd think" that if the manufacturer
supplies an adapter then it is designed for use with headset..). The radio
works fine with only the Rx through the headset and Tx from the internal
radio mic.
I have done all the right things like turn off the radio mike to avoid feed
back and tried with a variety of headsets - I even had to read the manual
which is something I am against doing on principle.
Will
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 01:35
Subject: RE: Europa-List: YAESU Aviator Pilot II
Morning Will
There seem to be two sorts one which is a component and is actually
connected in series with the wire and another that simply wraps around the
outside of the cable those are the bumps on the PC cables (I think). I
would ask Yaesu for more information (make and model number and where in the
set up it goes) I would guess round the headset cable to cut out the stray
hum. Radios are strange things, the one that has always worked most
reliably for me has been my Icom handheld (Now 15 years old) with or without
headset plugged in.
Good luck.
Pete
If it whines when away from the aeroplane you could take to whole setup to
say Radio Shack and try the fix in the shop.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Daniell
Sent: 16 April 2007 01:50
Subject: RE: Europa-List: YAESU Aviator Pilot II
Thanks Pete
The radio is a self contained handheld. It has an adapter for use with
headphones. It works fine without headset but when you use the adapter you
get the whine. The yaesu email help desk said use this ferrite choke thing
(I now know what they mean) but not where to put it.. I am assuming that the
ferrite choke would go on the headset cable?
Is it the same thing as you get round laptop power cables?
Will
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 11:52
Subject: RE: Europa-List: YAESU Aviator Pilot II
Hi Will
A ferrite choke is a coil of wire wound onto a ferrite rod. It has the
effect of passing DC ok but offering a high resistance to AC. If you put it
in the supply line to whatever an Aviator Pilot is it stops the stray AC
getting through and kills the whine.
Regards
Pete
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Daniell
Sent: 15 April 2007 17:32
Subject: Europa-List: YAESU Aviator Pilot II
Has anyone "plumbed in" opne of these portables. I think I saw one
attached to a panel but I can't remember where.
Apparently it is not as simple as just connecting the headset and an antenna
extension. You get a strong whine through the headset. I am told by Yaesu
helpdesk that you need a ferrite choke. Not wishing to appear ignorant.but
what the hell is a ferrite choke?
Will
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I'll second that. We have a D180 in our Europa. Never had a problem with
either the "flying" or "engine" side of it or updating it.
Reading some of the questions on the Dynon forum I would not trust some of
those builders to wire up a household plug let alone an EFIS.
The D180 has over eighty connections (if all inputs are used) so I would
recommend using their colour coded harnesses.
Simon
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter Rees
Sent: 15 April 2007 18:58
Subject: Re: Europa-List: EFIS thoughts
Thats a big surprise - we've updated the firmware on our Dynon EFIS about 4
times (not through necessity - they keep adding new features for free!).
Always goes seamlessly and takes about 2 minutes.
We have never found the screen brightness on our Dynon unreadable even in
direct sunlight.
Have to say that I'm a very happy Dynon customer - the D10A is a really
great product and I've always found them to be very responsive to queries /
suggestions.
Peter
----- Original Message -----
From: glenn crowder <mailto:gcrowder2@hotmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 5:46 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: EFIS thoughts
Just talked to a guy tonite at the EAA meeting who was finishing up an RV7
and has had
nothing but problems with the Dynon engine monitoring system. (The Dynon
flight instrument
system has been good tho) He says even their downloadable updates don't
work. Very unhappy customer!
Glenn
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Looks like this thread has died down, so..
Thankyou Brian and Nev. This is good information. Nev, the description on
your test results was refreshingly invaluable. It is info that is hard to
come by. I saw the original thread from Brian on the Matronix server
concerning the independent testing being done by Andy Draper, but never saw
the results on the server.
I had a personal email response from Andy about a year ago, that I just
looked at, concerning the different epoxy manufactures (I had almost
forgotten I had this). In there, was the same response in the structural
adhesive section of the email: " We have found that none of the Aeropoxy or
Hysol products compare favourably with Araldite/Epibond 420 (formerly Redux
420)."
Because of the cost and hassle in getting the A/E 420 here in the states, I
had been starting to lean towards Aeropoxy 6228, but it now seems that until
I can get an adhesive that is known to be at least equivalent or better in
all tests, its going to have to be Araldite/Epibond for me. My order of
1.4Kg 2-part Araldite 420 kits (QTY 3) is now in process. (albeit it is
back-ordered) Hopefully, it will be enough. If most everyone has used
more, let me know now, to avoid multiple export/import tariffs and taxes
that would be on the second order (and to help keep me from being tempted to
going back to Aeropoxy 6228 (which has been used successfully by at least
one (and I suspect many) builder already, on parts of the wing or
windscreens, not to mention the Velocity).
Hopefully soon, the stalled sections of the build can commence.
Thanks again. I know all this will be useful to future builders, since I
beat myself up, over this decision.
Greg Fuchs (A050)
Tigard (Portland), Oregon
Tail Kit, looking ahead, but not yet moved to wing/fuselage (transporting
them to my build location tomorrow)
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aeropoxy 6228 ~ NEV?
In a message dated 13/04/2007 16:00:08 GMT Standard Time,
EuropaXSA276@aol.com writes:
I have been most interested in this product. The Aeropoxy rep at Sun N Fun
had told me the it was under testing by Europa as a replacement adhesive a
few years back.
I talked with Andy a year later, at Sun n Fun inquiring about the testing.
He replied that the product did not hold up to his expectations. Therefore
it was never "approved".
I most certainly would like to know more about the testing and what issues
were found. The 6228 has cost and accessibility benefits.
Perhaps Nev could fill us in on the subject?
Hi Brian et all,
The Aeropoxy adhesive is NOT suitable as a replacement for Redux / Araldite
420 in use on a Europa.
Tests I carried out way back when , back to back, with Aeropoxy and 420
showed the Aeropoxy to be far too brittle.
Lap joint test samples were made useing the pre preg laminates as in the
fuselage / wing skins, same materials / same sizes / same surface
preparation / same cure cycle / with both adhesives. Did 10 of each from
memory?
Didn't need to get them scientifically strain tested [ by Slingsby, which is
what we had done with various lay up resins] a simple blow with a hammer on
one end of the tab , with the other end clamped in a vice showed that the
Aeropoxy bonded ones let go every time, whereas the 420 bonded ones would
take one hell of a beating before eventually the pre preg would fail.[ Same
hammer ! ]
The make up of the 420 includes rubber granules, so there is a fair amount
of '' give '' in the bond.
This is allways a good test to check if the 420 has '' time lifed ''. [ in
spite of the very conservative expiry date set by the manufacturer ] If the
bond fails, bin it, if the glass fails, it is still good.
I also tested a couple of other adhesives [ at different times ] against the
420, similar results.
If there had been a suitable replacement to 420, it would have been used in
the U.S.A. as we had a lot of hassle getting the 420 shipped over [
Dangerous Goods and all that !]
Don't experiment and risk your life, just to save a few bucks ?
Cheers,
Nev.
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Greg-
Before you order from Belgium, you may want to Google it and see what you can find
in the US. I just did and "Aerotape" in Orlando, FL comes up and they list
Huntsman on their web site. I did not call, but it would certainly be worth
researching before you go the long way.
Jim Puglise A-383, Punta Gorda, FL
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "gregoryf.flyboy" <gregoryf.flyboy@comcast.net>
Looks like this thread has died down, so
Thankyou Brian and Nev. This is good information. Nev, the description on your
test results was refreshingly invaluable. It is info that is hard to come by.
I saw the original thread from Brian on the Matronix server concerning the independent
testing being done by Andy Draper, but never saw the results on the
server.
I had a personal email response from Andy about a year ago, that I just looked
at, concerning the different epoxy manufactures (I had almost forgotten I had
this). In there, was the same response in the structural adhesive section of the
email: We have found that none of the Aeropoxy or Hysol products compare favourably
with Araldite/Epibond 420 (formerly Redux 420).
Because of the cost and hassle in getting the A/E 420 here in the states, I had
been starting to lean towards Aeropoxy 6228, but it now seems that until I can
get an adhesive that is known to be at least equivalent or better in all tests,
its going to have to be Araldite/Epibond for me. My order of 1.4Kg 2-part
Araldite 420 kits (QTY 3) is now in process (albeit it is back-ordered) Hopefully,
it will be enough. If most everyone has used more, let me know now,
to avoid multiple export/import tariffs and taxes that would be on the second
order (and to help keep me from being tempted to going back to Aeropoxy 6228 (which
has been used successfully by at least one (and I suspect many) builder
already, on parts of the wing or windscreens, not to mention the Velocity).
Hopefully soon, the stalled sections of the build can commence.
Thanks again. I know all this will be useful to future builders, since I beat myself
up, over this decision.
Greg Fuchs (A050)
Tigard (Portland), Oregon
Tail Kit, looking ahead, but not yet moved to wing/fuselage (transporting them
to my build location tomorrow)
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aeropoxy 6228 ~ NEV?
In a message dated 13/04/2007 16:00:08 GMT Standard Time, EuropaXSA276@aol.com
writes:
I have been most interested in this product. The Aeropoxy rep at Sun N Fun had
told me the it was under testing by Europa as a replacement adhesive a few years
back.
I talked with Andy a year later, at Sun n Fun inquiring about the testing. He replied
that the product did not hold up to his expectations. Therefore it was
never "approved".
I most certainly would like to know more about the testing and what issues were
found. The 6228 has cost and accessibility benefits.
Perhaps Nev could fill us in on the subject?
Hi Brian et all,
The Aeropoxy adhesive is NOT suitable as a replacement for Redux / Araldite 420
in use on a Europa.
Tests I carried out way back when , back to back, with Aeropoxy and 420 showed
the Aeropoxy to be far too brittle.
Lap joint test samples were made useing the pre preg laminates as in the fuselage
/ wing skins, same materials / same sizes / same surface preparation / same
cure cycle / with both adhesives. Did 10 of each from memory?
Didn't need to get them scientifically strain tested [ by Slingsby, which is what
we had done with various lay up resins] a simple blow with a hammer on one
end of the tab , with the other end clamped in a vice showed that the Aeropoxy
bonded ones let go every time, whereas the 420 bonded ones would take one hell
of a beating before eventually the pre preg would fail.[ Same hammer ! ]
The make up of the 420 includes rubber granules, so there is a fair amount of ''
give '' in the bond.
This is allways a good test to check if the 420 has '' time lifed ''. [ in spite
of the very conservative expiry date set by the manufacturer ] If the bond fails,
bin it, if the glass fails, it is still good.
I also tested a couple of other adhesives [ at different times ] against the 420,
similar results.
If there had been a suitable replacement to 420, it would have been used in the
U.S.A. as we had a lot of hassle getting the 420 shipped over [ Dangerous Goods
and all that !]
Don't experiment and risk your life, just to save a few bucks ?
Cheers,
Nev.
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<DIV>Before you order from Belgium, you may want to Google it and see what you
can find in the US. I just did and "Aerotape" in Orlando, FL comes up and
they list Huntsman on their web site. I did not call, but it would certainly
be worth researching before you go the long way.</DIV>
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<DIV>Jim Puglise A-383, Punta Gorda, FL</DIV>
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= st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Nev.</st1:place></st1:State> This is good information.
<st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Nev</st1:place></st1:State>, the description
on your test results was refreshingly invaluable. It is info that is
hard to come by. I saw the original thread from Brian on the Matronix server
concerning the independent testing being done by Andy Draper, but never
saw the results on the server.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I had a personal email response from Andy
about a year ago, that I just looked at, concerning the different epoxy manufactures
(I had almost forgotten I had this). In there, was the same response
in the structural adhesive section of the email: </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial
color=blue size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">We
have found that none of the Aeropoxy or Hysol products compare favourably
with Araldite/Epibond 420 (formerly Redux 420).</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Because of the cost and hassle in getting
the A/E 420 here in the states, I had been starting to lean towards Aeropoxy
6228, but it now seems that until I can get an adhesive that is known to be at
least equivalent or better in all tests, its going to have to be Araldite/Epibond
for me. My order of 1.4Kg 2-part Araldite 420 kits (QTY 3) is
now in process (albeit it is back-ordered) Hopefully, it will
be enough. If most everyone has used more, let me know now, to avoid multiple
export/import tariffs and taxes that would be on the second order (and to
help keep me from being tempted to going back to Aeropoxy 6228 (which has been
used successfully by at least one (and I suspect many) builder already, on parts
of the wing or windscreens, not to mention the Velocity).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hopefully soon, the stalled sections of
the build can commence.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks again. I know all this will be useful
to future builders, since I beat myself up, over this decision.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Greg Fuchs (A050)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Tigard (<st1:City w:st="on">Portland</st1:City>),
<st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Oregon</st1:place></st1:State><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Tail Kit, looking ahead, but not yet moved
to wing/fuselage (transporting them to my build location tomorrow)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold;
FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> Re: Europa-List:
Aeropoxy 6228 ~ <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">NEV</st1:place></st1:State>?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">In a message dated 13/04/2007 16:00:08
GMT Standard Time, EuropaXSA276@aol.com writes:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium
none; MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt; PADDING-BOTTOM:
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I have been most interested in this product.
The Aeropoxy rep at Sun N Fun had told me the it was under testing
by Europa as a replacement adhesive a few years back. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I talked with Andy a year later, at Sun
n Fun inquiring about the testing. He replied that the product did
not hold up to his expectations. Therefore it was never "approved".<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I most certainly would like to know more
about the testing and what issues were found. The 6228 has cost and accessibility
benefits.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Perhaps <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Nev</st1:place></st1:State> could fill us in on the subject?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi Brian et all,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The Aeropoxy adhesive is NOT suitable
as a replacement for Redux / Araldite 420 in use on a Europa.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Tests I carried out way back when , back
to back, with Aeropoxy and 420 showed the Aeropoxy to be far too brittle.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Lap joint test samples were made useing the
pre preg laminates as in the fuselage / wing skins, same materials
/ same sizes / same surface preparation / same cure cycle / with both adhesives.
Did 10 of each from memory?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Didn't need to get them scientifically strain
tested [ by Slingsby, which is what we had done with various lay
up resins] a simple blow with a hammer on one end of the tab , with the other
end clamped in a vice showed that the Aeropoxy bonded ones let go every
time, whereas the 420 bonded ones would take one hell of a beating before
eventually the pre preg would fail.[ Same hammer ! ]<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The make up of the 420 includes rubber
granules, so there is a fair amount of '' give '' in the bond.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">This is allways a good test to check if
the 420 has '' time lifed ''. [ in spite of the very conservative expiry date
set by the manufacturer ] If the bond fails, bin it, if the glass
fails, it is still good. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I also tested a couple of other adhesives
[ at different times ] against the 420, similar results.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If there had been a suitable replacement
to 420, it would have been used in the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">U.S.A.</st1:place></st1:country-region> as we had a lot of hassle
getting the 420 shipped over [ Dangerous Goods and all that !]<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Don't experiment and risk your life, just
to save a few bucks ?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><FONT face=Arial color=black
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Nev.</SPAN></FONT></st1:place></st1:State><FONT
face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><PRE><B><FONT
face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></PRE></DIV><PRE><B><FONT
face="courier new,courier" size=2
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The AN960 is a washer. According to the manual Page 29M-9 the axle nut is a M6
nylock nut.
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Marty
Thanks for pointing that put, however the only nylock is on the front wheel.
Not the main axls. I'm pretty sure
Its 1 1/4" x 16 but was just needed someone to verify that had to reorder
before.
Al Stills
N625Az
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of martymason
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Axle NUts
The AN960 is a washer. According to the manual Page 29M-9 the axle nut is a
M6 nylock nut.
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Subject: | Re: Aeropoxy 6228---Araldite 420 |
Based on recent threads, I just ordered a one quart kit of Araldite 420
A/B from Graco Supply in Texas, (817) 535-3200. $187.50 per quart
(ouch) + shipping (around $20). At least it's available and fresh.
Dan Geldermann
A-139
Virginia
----- Original Message -----
From: jimpuglise@comcast.net
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:00 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Aeropoxy 6228
Greg-
Before you order from Belgium, you may want to Google it and see what
you can find in the US. I just did and "Aerotape" in Orlando, FL comes
up and they list Huntsman on their web site. I did not call, but it
would certainly be worth researching before you go the long way.
Jim Puglise A-383, Punta Gorda, FL
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "gregoryf.flyboy" <gregoryf.flyboy@comcast.net>
Looks like this thread has died down, so..
Thankyou Brian and Nev. This is good information. Nev, the
description on your test results was refreshingly invaluable. It is info
that is hard to come by. I saw the original thread from Brian on the
Matronix server concerning the independent testing being done by Andy
Draper, but never saw the results on the server.
I had a personal email response from Andy about a year ago, that I
just looked at, concerning the different epoxy manufactures (I had
almost forgotten I had this). In there, was the same response in the
structural adhesive section of the email: " We have found that none of
the Aeropoxy or Hysol products compare favourably with Araldite/Epibond
420 (formerly Redux 420)."
Because of the cost and hassle in getting the A/E 420 here in the
states, I had been starting to lean towards Aeropoxy 6228, but it now
seems that until I can get an adhesive that is known to be at least
equivalent or better in all tests, its going to have to be
Araldite/Epibond for me. My order of 1.4Kg 2-part Araldite 420 kits (QTY
3) is now in process. (albeit it is back-ordered) Hopefully, it
will be enough. If most everyone has used more, let me know now, to
avoid multiple export/import tariffs and taxes that would be on the
second order (and to help keep me from being tempted to going back to
Aeropoxy 6228 (which has been used successfully by at least one (and I
suspect many) builder already, on parts of the wing or windscreens, not
to mention the Velocity).
Hopefully soon, the stalled sections of the build can commence.
Thanks again. I know all this will be useful to future builders,
since I beat myself up, over this decision.
Greg Fuchs (A050)
Tigard (Portland), Oregon
Tail Kit, looking ahead, but not yet moved to wing/fuselage
(transporting them to my build location tomorrow)
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aeropoxy 6228 ~ NEV?
In a message dated 13/04/2007 16:00:08 GMT Standard Time,
EuropaXSA276@aol.com writes:
I have been most interested in this product. The Aeropoxy rep at
Sun N Fun had told me the it was under testing by Europa as a
replacement adhesive a few years back.
I talked with Andy a year later, at Sun n Fun inquiring about the
testing. He replied that the product did not hold up to his
expectations. Therefore it was never "approved".
I most certainly would like to know more about the testing and
what issues were found. The 6228 has cost and accessibility benefits.
Perhaps Nev could fill us in on the subject?
Hi Brian et all,
The Aeropoxy adhesive is NOT suitable as a replacement for Redux /
Araldite 420 in use on a Europa.
Tests I carried out way back when , back to back, with Aeropoxy and
420 showed the Aeropoxy to be far too brittle.
Lap joint test samples were made useing the pre preg laminates as in
the fuselage / wing skins, same materials / same sizes / same surface
preparation / same cure cycle / with both adhesives. Did 10 of each from
memory?
Didn't need to get them scientifically strain tested [ by Slingsby,
which is what we had done with various lay up resins] a simple blow with
a hammer on one end of the tab , with the other end clamped in a vice
showed that the Aeropoxy bonded ones let go every time, whereas the 420
bonded ones would take one hell of a beating before eventually the pre
preg would fail.[ Same hammer ! ]
The make up of the 420 includes rubber granules, so there is a fair
amount of '' give '' in the bond.
This is allways a good test to check if the 420 has '' time lifed
''. [ in spite of the very conservative expiry date set by the
manufacturer ] If the bond fails, bin it, if the glass fails, it is
still good.
I also tested a couple of other adhesives [ at different times ]
against the 420, similar results.
If there had been a suitable replacement to 420, it would have been
used in the U.S.A. as we had a lot of hassle getting the 420 shipped
over [ Dangerous Goods and all that !]
Don't experiment and risk your life, just to save a few bucks ?
Cheers,
Nev.
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Subject: | Re: Aeropoxy 6228---Araldite 420 |
That's where I got my last quart......Graco in Texas. Mine was $167/qt two
years ago.
Do Not Archive
Mike Duane A207A
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Jabiru 3300
Sensenich R64Z N
Ground Adjustable Prop
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Does anyone have an email address for Joe Like in Warner Robins, GA?
Steve
A058
N42AH
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Hi Everyone,
This is sort of a last minute thing but I will be making the trip to Sun N Fun
this week and hope to meet a few Eurpaphiles too. I plan to be there on Thursday
to Saturday so I definitely try to be at the Europa booth around 11:00h on
a couple of those days.
Since this is my first post, I guess its about time I introduced myself. My name
is Roger Lowe and I hail from Guelph, Ontario Canada and Ive been dreaming about
building an Europa for a few years now and I my dream started to become a
reality last July when I was able to purchase the partially completed kit (some
of the tail feathers done) from the late Dennis Shupes estate in Edmonton.
Some of you might remember it as it appeared for sale on eBay although I didnt
purchase it on eBay, Presently the kit is in storage as I have spend the last
few months converting my garage and getting ready for the first lay up.
I must admit that Ive been lucking in the background reading all your posts for
the past couple of years and I am amazed at the knowledge and experience this
list has and it definitely eased my decision the purchase the Europa. The kit
is a monowheel and the jury is still out on whether to convert it to a trigear
or not.
I do have a question though. Will Europa 04 be giving any demo flights at Sun &
Fun or know of anybody that willing to take me up in one? I have not had the
pleasure to actually feel the sweetness of the air under the wings of the Europa
that so many of you rave about. You can only watch the DVD so many times and
wish..
Anyways, hope to see a few of you at Sun N Fun.
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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Subject: | Araldite / EpiBond 420 Texas Supplier |
FYI Greg:
The local Texas distributor for Huntsman products is called:
Graco Supply Co.
1001 Miller Ave.
Fort Worth, 76105 - (817) 531-3248.
The do sell EpiBond Araldite 420 but are most often out of stock. Expect a
few weeks delivery time.
Brian Skelly
Europa XS TriGear #A276
North Texas USA
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Roger-
Lynne and I will also be there Thursday and Friday and will be at the booth just
before lunch. Let's talk about tri vs mono.
Jim Puglise A-283
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Roger Lowe" <rlowe@speedway.ca>
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> This is sort of a last minute thing but I will be making the trip to Sun N Fun
> this week and hope to meet a few Eurpaphiles too. I plan to be there on Thursday
> to Saturday so I definitely try to be at the Europa booth around 11:00h on a
> couple of those days.
>
> Since this is my first post, I guess its about time I introduced myself. My
> name is Roger Lowe and I hail from Guelph, Ontario Canada and Ive been dreaming
> about building an Europa for a few years now and I my dream started to become
a
> reality last July when I was able to purchase the partially completed kit (some
> of the tail feathers done) from the late Dennis Shupes estate in Edmonton. Some
> of you might remember it as it appeared for sale on eBay although I didnt
> purchase it on eBay, Presently the kit is in storage as I have spend the last
> few months converting my garage and getting ready for the first lay up.
>
> I must admit that Ive been lucking in the background reading all your posts for
> the past couple of years and I am amazed at the knowledge and experience this
> list has and it definitely eased my decision the purchase the Europa. The kit
is
> a monowheel and the jury is still out on whether to convert it to a trigear or
> not.
>
> I do have a question though. Will Europa 04 be giving any demo flights at Sun
&
> Fun or know of anybody that willing to take me up in one? I have not had the
> pleasure to actually feel the sweetness of the air under the wings of the Europa
> that so many of you rave about. You can only watch the DVD so many times and
> wish..
>
> Anyways, hope to see a few of you at Sun N Fun.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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<DIV>Roger-</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Lynne and I will also be there Thursday and Friday and will be at the booth
just before lunch. Let's talk about tri vs mono.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Jim Puglise A-283</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px
solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: "Roger Lowe"
<rlowe@speedway.ca> <BR><BR>> --> Europa-List message posted by:
"Roger Lowe" <RLOWE@SPEEDWAY.CA><BR>> <BR>> Hi Everyone, <BR>> <BR>>
This is sort of a last minute thing but I will be making the trip to Sun N
Fun <BR>> this week and hope to meet a few Eurpaphiles too. I plan to be there
on Thursday <BR>> to Saturday so I definitely try to be at the Europa booth
around 11:00h on a <BR>> couple of those days. <BR>> <BR>> Since
this is my first post, I guess its about time I introduced myself. My <BR>>
name is Roger Lowe and I hail from Guelph, Ontario Canada and Ive been dreaming
<BR>> about building an Europa for a few years now and I my dream started
to become a <BR>> reality last July when I was able to purchase the partially
completed kit (some <BR>> of the tail fe
athers
done) from the late Dennis Shupes estate in Edmonton. Some <BR>> of you might
remember it as it appeared for sale on eBay although I didnt <BR>> purchase
it on eBay, Presently the kit is in storage as I have spend the last <BR>>
few months converting my garage and getting ready for the first lay up. <BR>>
<BR>> I must admit that Ive been lucking in the background reading all
your posts for <BR>> the past couple of years and I am amazed at the knowledge
and experience this <BR>> list has and it definitely eased my decision
the purchase the Europa. The kit is <BR>> a monowheel and the jury is still
out on whether to convert it to a trigear or <BR>> not. <BR>> <BR>>
I do have a question though. Will Europa 04 be giving any demo flights at Sun
& <BR>> Fun or know of anybody that willing to take me up in one? I
have not had the <BR>> pleasure to actually feel the sweetness of the air under
the wings of the Europa <BR>> that so many
of yo
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Bobbi and I will be there Sat and Sun at the booth at 11
Steve Crimm
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jimpuglise@comcast.net
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 22:43
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Sun N Fun
Roger-
Lynne and I will also be there Thursday and Friday and will be at the
booth
just before lunch. Let's talk about tri vs mono.
Jim Puglise A-283
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Roger Lowe" <rlowe@speedway.ca>
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> This is sort of a last minute thing but I will be making the trip to
Sun N
Fun
> this week and hope to meet a few Eurpaphiles too. I plan to be there
on
Thursday
> to Saturday so I definitely try to be at the Europa booth around
11:00h on
a
> couple of those days.
>
> Since this is my first post, I guess it=C2=92s about time I introduced
myself.
My
> name is Roger Lowe and I hail from Guelph, Ontario Canada and
I=C2=92ve been
dreaming
> about building an Europa for a few years now and I my dream started to
=C2=93become a
> reality=C2=94 last July when I was able to purchase the partially
completed
kit (some
> of the tail fe athers done) from the late Dennis Shupe=C2=92s estate
in
Edmonton. Some
> of you might remember it as it appeared for sale on eBay although I
didn=C2=92t
> purchase it on eBay, Presently the kit is in storage as I have spend
the
last
> few months converting my garage and getting ready for the first lay
up.
>
> I must admit that I=C2=92ve been lucking in the background reading all
your
posts for
> the past couple of years and I am amazed at the knowledge and
experience
this
> list has and it definitely eased my decision the purchase the Europa.
The
kit is
> a monowheel and the jury is still out on whether to convert it to a
trigear or
> not.
>
> I do have a question though. Will Europa 04 be giving any demo flights
at
Sun &
> Fun or know of anybody that willing to take me up in one? I have not
had
the
> pleasure to actually feel the sweetness of the air under the wings of
the
Europa
> that so many of yo ======
===================
>
>
>
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> Lynne and I will also be there . . . . . Let's talk about tri vs
mono.
You'll definitely be pushing for Mono won't you Jim !
Regards
Kingsley in Oz.
Wish I could be there too! Working on it so maybe the year after next.
Do not archive
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In a message dated 4/16/2007 6:08:40 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
rlowe@speedway.ca writes:
The kit is a monowheel and the jury is still out on whether to convert it to
a trigear or not.
Good morning Roger,
Don't forget to think about the "Conventional Gear" conversion. If you need
any information while your at Sun-N-Fun, look up Bob Berube at the local
FlightCrafters. He'll probably be at the Show.
Mike Duane A207A
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Jabiru 3300
Sensenich R64Z N
Ground Adjustable Prop
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