---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 04/16/07: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:48 AM - Re: YAESU Aviator Pilot II (Kurt A. Schumacher) 2. 01:23 AM - Re: 912 Voltage Regulator Values (Gilles Thesee) 3. 02:58 AM - Re: EFIS thoughts (UVTReith@aol.com) 4. 06:20 AM - Re: Fw: Tour de France 2007 June 2-10th (William Daniell) 5. 06:29 AM - Re: YAESU Aviator Pilot II (William Daniell) 6. 07:50 AM - Re: EFIS thoughts (Simon Smith) 7. 09:57 AM - Re: Aeropoxy 6228 (gregoryf.flyboy) 8. 12:02 PM - Re: Aeropoxy 6228 (jimpuglise@comcast.net) 9. 12:28 PM - Re: Axle NUts (martymason) 10. 01:18 PM - Re: Axle NUts (Al Stills) 11. 04:39 PM - Re: Aeropoxy 6228---Araldite 420 (DJGeldermann) 12. 04:51 PM - Re: Aeropoxy 6228---Araldite 420 (DuaneFamly@aol.com) 13. 05:08 PM - Joe Like (Steve Crimm) 14. 06:07 PM - Re: Sun N Fun (Roger Lowe) 15. 07:05 PM - Araldite / EpiBond 420 Texas Supplier (EuropaXSA276@aol.com) 16. 07:45 PM - Re: Sun N Fun (jimpuglise@comcast.net) 17. 07:58 PM - Re: Sun N Fun (Steve Crimm) 18. 09:53 PM - Re: Sun N Fun (Kingsley Hurst) 19. 11:11 PM - Re: Sun N Fun (DuaneFamly@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:48:18 AM PST US From: "Kurt A. Schumacher" Subject: RE: Europa-List: YAESU Aviator Pilot II Hi Will, > Is it the same thing as you get round laptop power cables? Yes - but you need to wrap the cable about 3..6 or more times through the toroid type as seen on notebook power supplies or analog computer monitor (VGA) cables to create a good RF resistor Key cause is (among many others) a poor grounding. You only speak of the antenna extension and the headset. Even if you do not intend to power or charge the Yaesu from the plane's DC, we suggest making a good mass connection between the enclosure (mass on the DC connector) and your aircraft grounding. Worth a try is grounding the headset connector ground to the aircraft ground, too. In case you will wire-up a power supply to the Yaesu, please ensure to install a voltage and/or current limiter as provided with the matching car adapter by the supplier. Hope this helps you fixing your installation. Regards, -Kurt. From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 8:35 AM Subject: RE: Europa-List: YAESU Aviator Pilot II Morning Will There seem to be two sorts one which is a component and is actually connected in series with the wire and another that simply wraps around the outside of the cable those are the bumps on the PC cables (I think). I would ask Yaesu for more information (make and model number and where in the set up it goes) I would guess round the headset cable to cut out the stray hum. Radios are strange things, the one that has always worked most reliably for me has been my Icom handheld (Now 15 years old) with or without headset plugged in. Good luck. Pete If it whines when away from the aeroplane you could take to whole setup to say Radio Shack and try the fix in the shop. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Daniell Sent: 16 April 2007 01:50 Subject: RE: Europa-List: YAESU Aviator Pilot II Thanks Pete The radio is a self contained handheld. It has an adapter for use with headphones. It works fine without headset but when you use the adapter you get the whine. The yaesu email help desk said use this ferrite choke thing (I now know what they mean) but not where to put it.. I am assuming that the ferrite choke would go on the headset cable? Is it the same thing as you get round laptop power cables? Will _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 11:52 Subject: RE: Europa-List: YAESU Aviator Pilot II Hi Will A ferrite choke is a coil of wire wound onto a ferrite rod. It has the effect of passing DC ok but offering a high resistance to AC. If you put it in the supply line to whatever an Aviator Pilot is it stops the stray AC getting through and kills the whine. Regards Pete -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Daniell Sent: 15 April 2007 17:32 Subject: Europa-List: YAESU Aviator Pilot II Has anyone "plumbed in" opne of these portables. I think I saw one attached to a panel but I can't remember where. Apparently it is not as simple as just connecting the headset and an antenna extension. You get a strong whine through the headset. I am told by Yaesu helpdesk that you need a ferrite choke. Not wishing to appear ignorant.but what the hell is a ferrite choke? Will -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner , and is believed to be clean. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:23:42 AM PST US From: Gilles Thesee Subject: Re: Europa-List: 912 Voltage Regulator Values Steve Crimm a crit : > Got 912 regulator questions, after lots of trouble shooting of the > electrics, I think I have narrowed it down to regulator not > functioning correctly. But first some questions... > > 1. What is the a/c voltage input to the the regulator supposed to > be? I am showing 15.4 At max rev, the PM alternator can generate as high as 80-100 V. The voltage is far from being a sine wave. > > 2. What is the d/c output voltage supposed to be? I am showing > voltage of 12.85 (battery voltage I believe)? My thinking is that it > should be 14.5 or some where in that neighborhood. The Rotax regulator puts out around 13.8 V when not too heavily loaded. 12.85 V is the voltage of a fully charged battery. Did you check the connection of the regulator case to ground, with a wire capable of at least 15-20 amps ? Some info at http://contrails.free.fr/elec_ducati_en.php Regards, Gilles http://contrails.free.fr ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:58:13 AM PST US From: UVTReith@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: EFIS thoughts Hi All, looking for an EFIS like Dynon. As the smart-Brabus engine has no connection for vauum pump I sold that stuff and bought an Dynon D100. Yes- it's true, you have to pay in advance without security. With my big other instruments still in hand, I simply made a new panel layout for the monowheel. The four 80 mm (3 1/8") instruments ASI - VSI - ALT will go on top (from left to right) and the electr. turn c. will go left beside the D100. Then I have two 57 mm (2 1/4") holes - one for prop setting and one still free - maybe for S-code Transponder. PLease see attached picture. Good building and flying to all, Bruno ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:20:49 AM PST US From: "William Daniell" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fw: Tour de France 2007 June 2-10th Dari Weeelll as usual my plans are flexible in the extreme...but visit sounds perfect. I will mail you when plans firm up. Fondest to all Will -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dari Sagar Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 13:16 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fw: Tour de France 2007 June 2-10th William, Do I understand that you'll be in the UK shortly? If so, why not spend a few days with us here in beautiful Upton Snodsbury? You are most welcome. I sold my Europa on my return home from our South American trip, but am still flying as I have joined a syndicate which operate a mono-wheel Europa. It's unlikely that we'll be going on the Tour de France trip this time around as we've got a few other committments which clash tour dates. Anyway, if you are in the country give me a bell. (Home): 01905 381688 (Mobile): 07900 056343. Gail sends regards. Cheers, Dari >From: "William Daniell" >To: >Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fw: Tour de France 2007 June 2-10th Date: >Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:14:28 -0500 > >Anyone want a co-pilot? > > > _____ > >From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Hitchcock >Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 14:03 >To: europa-list@matronics.com >Subject: Europa-List: Fw: Tour de France 2007 June 2-10th > > >Last call > > >The flavour of the tour will be unchanged: essentially it is a fairly >gentle >trip allowing plenty of time to experience the delights of France. > > While most participants are experienced, it is the ideal trip for first >time cross-channel pilots and for wives who dont think that being in a >plane all day is what makes a perfect holiday! > >We intend to include a visit to La Fert Alais where there is a magnificent >collection of old aircraft. Contact Bob (robert.hitchcock@virgin.net tel. >01773 825864. > > _________________________________________________________________ Solve the Conspiracy and win fantastic prizes. http://www.theconspiracygame.co.uk/ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:29:27 AM PST US From: "William Daniell" Subject: RE: Europa-List: YAESU Aviator Pilot II Pete, Thanks for this. I think that I will try the Radio shack option. The whine appears when I transmit in or out of the aircraft. The radio works fine without the headset. ("You'd think" that if the manufacturer supplies an adapter then it is designed for use with headset..). The radio works fine with only the Rx through the headset and Tx from the internal radio mic. I have done all the right things like turn off the radio mike to avoid feed back and tried with a variety of headsets - I even had to read the manual which is something I am against doing on principle. Will _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 01:35 Subject: RE: Europa-List: YAESU Aviator Pilot II Morning Will There seem to be two sorts one which is a component and is actually connected in series with the wire and another that simply wraps around the outside of the cable those are the bumps on the PC cables (I think). I would ask Yaesu for more information (make and model number and where in the set up it goes) I would guess round the headset cable to cut out the stray hum. Radios are strange things, the one that has always worked most reliably for me has been my Icom handheld (Now 15 years old) with or without headset plugged in. Good luck. Pete If it whines when away from the aeroplane you could take to whole setup to say Radio Shack and try the fix in the shop. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Daniell Sent: 16 April 2007 01:50 Subject: RE: Europa-List: YAESU Aviator Pilot II Thanks Pete The radio is a self contained handheld. It has an adapter for use with headphones. It works fine without headset but when you use the adapter you get the whine. The yaesu email help desk said use this ferrite choke thing (I now know what they mean) but not where to put it.. I am assuming that the ferrite choke would go on the headset cable? Is it the same thing as you get round laptop power cables? Will _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 11:52 Subject: RE: Europa-List: YAESU Aviator Pilot II Hi Will A ferrite choke is a coil of wire wound onto a ferrite rod. It has the effect of passing DC ok but offering a high resistance to AC. If you put it in the supply line to whatever an Aviator Pilot is it stops the stray AC getting through and kills the whine. Regards Pete -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Daniell Sent: 15 April 2007 17:32 Subject: Europa-List: YAESU Aviator Pilot II Has anyone "plumbed in" opne of these portables. I think I saw one attached to a panel but I can't remember where. Apparently it is not as simple as just connecting the headset and an antenna extension. You get a strong whine through the headset. I am told by Yaesu helpdesk that you need a ferrite choke. Not wishing to appear ignorant.but what the hell is a ferrite choke? Will -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner , and is believed to be clean. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:50:26 AM PST US From: "Simon Smith" Subject: RE: Europa-List: EFIS thoughts I'll second that. We have a D180 in our Europa. Never had a problem with either the "flying" or "engine" side of it or updating it. Reading some of the questions on the Dynon forum I would not trust some of those builders to wire up a household plug let alone an EFIS. The D180 has over eighty connections (if all inputs are used) so I would recommend using their colour coded harnesses. Simon _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter Rees Sent: 15 April 2007 18:58 Subject: Re: Europa-List: EFIS thoughts Thats a big surprise - we've updated the firmware on our Dynon EFIS about 4 times (not through necessity - they keep adding new features for free!). Always goes seamlessly and takes about 2 minutes. We have never found the screen brightness on our Dynon unreadable even in direct sunlight. Have to say that I'm a very happy Dynon customer - the D10A is a really great product and I've always found them to be very responsive to queries / suggestions. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: glenn crowder Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 5:46 AM Subject: RE: Europa-List: EFIS thoughts Just talked to a guy tonite at the EAA meeting who was finishing up an RV7 and has had nothing but problems with the Dynon engine monitoring system. (The Dynon flight instrument system has been good tho) He says even their downloadable updates don't work. Very unhappy customer! Glenn ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:57:34 AM PST US From: "gregoryf.flyboy" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Aeropoxy 6228 Looks like this thread has died down, so.. Thankyou Brian and Nev. This is good information. Nev, the description on your test results was refreshingly invaluable. It is info that is hard to come by. I saw the original thread from Brian on the Matronix server concerning the independent testing being done by Andy Draper, but never saw the results on the server. I had a personal email response from Andy about a year ago, that I just looked at, concerning the different epoxy manufactures (I had almost forgotten I had this). In there, was the same response in the structural adhesive section of the email: " We have found that none of the Aeropoxy or Hysol products compare favourably with Araldite/Epibond 420 (formerly Redux 420)." Because of the cost and hassle in getting the A/E 420 here in the states, I had been starting to lean towards Aeropoxy 6228, but it now seems that until I can get an adhesive that is known to be at least equivalent or better in all tests, its going to have to be Araldite/Epibond for me. My order of 1.4Kg 2-part Araldite 420 kits (QTY 3) is now in process. (albeit it is back-ordered) Hopefully, it will be enough. If most everyone has used more, let me know now, to avoid multiple export/import tariffs and taxes that would be on the second order (and to help keep me from being tempted to going back to Aeropoxy 6228 (which has been used successfully by at least one (and I suspect many) builder already, on parts of the wing or windscreens, not to mention the Velocity). Hopefully soon, the stalled sections of the build can commence. Thanks again. I know all this will be useful to future builders, since I beat myself up, over this decision. Greg Fuchs (A050) Tigard (Portland), Oregon Tail Kit, looking ahead, but not yet moved to wing/fuselage (transporting them to my build location tomorrow) Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aeropoxy 6228 ~ NEV? In a message dated 13/04/2007 16:00:08 GMT Standard Time, EuropaXSA276@aol.com writes: I have been most interested in this product. The Aeropoxy rep at Sun N Fun had told me the it was under testing by Europa as a replacement adhesive a few years back. I talked with Andy a year later, at Sun n Fun inquiring about the testing. He replied that the product did not hold up to his expectations. Therefore it was never "approved". I most certainly would like to know more about the testing and what issues were found. The 6228 has cost and accessibility benefits. Perhaps Nev could fill us in on the subject? Hi Brian et all, The Aeropoxy adhesive is NOT suitable as a replacement for Redux / Araldite 420 in use on a Europa. Tests I carried out way back when , back to back, with Aeropoxy and 420 showed the Aeropoxy to be far too brittle. Lap joint test samples were made useing the pre preg laminates as in the fuselage / wing skins, same materials / same sizes / same surface preparation / same cure cycle / with both adhesives. Did 10 of each from memory? Didn't need to get them scientifically strain tested [ by Slingsby, which is what we had done with various lay up resins] a simple blow with a hammer on one end of the tab , with the other end clamped in a vice showed that the Aeropoxy bonded ones let go every time, whereas the 420 bonded ones would take one hell of a beating before eventually the pre preg would fail.[ Same hammer ! ] The make up of the 420 includes rubber granules, so there is a fair amount of '' give '' in the bond. This is allways a good test to check if the 420 has '' time lifed ''. [ in spite of the very conservative expiry date set by the manufacturer ] If the bond fails, bin it, if the glass fails, it is still good. I also tested a couple of other adhesives [ at different times ] against the 420, similar results. If there had been a suitable replacement to 420, it would have been used in the U.S.A. as we had a lot of hassle getting the 420 shipped over [ Dangerous Goods and all that !] Don't experiment and risk your life, just to save a few bucks ? Cheers, Nev. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:02:06 PM PST US From: jimpuglise@comcast.net Subject: RE: Europa-List: Aeropoxy 6228 Greg- Before you order from Belgium, you may want to Google it and see what you can find in the US. I just did and "Aerotape" in Orlando, FL comes up and they list Huntsman on their web site. I did not call, but it would certainly be worth researching before you go the long way. Jim Puglise A-383, Punta Gorda, FL -------------- Original message -------------- From: "gregoryf.flyboy" Looks like this thread has died down, so Thankyou Brian and Nev. This is good information. Nev, the description on your test results was refreshingly invaluable. It is info that is hard to come by. I saw the original thread from Brian on the Matronix server concerning the independent testing being done by Andy Draper, but never saw the results on the server. I had a personal email response from Andy about a year ago, that I just looked at, concerning the different epoxy manufactures (I had almost forgotten I had this). In there, was the same response in the structural adhesive section of the email: We have found that none of the Aeropoxy or Hysol products compare favourably with Araldite/Epibond 420 (formerly Redux 420). Because of the cost and hassle in getting the A/E 420 here in the states, I had been starting to lean towards Aeropoxy 6228, but it now seems that until I can get an adhesive that is known to be at least equivalent or better in all tests, its going to have to be Araldite/Epibond for me. My order of 1.4Kg 2-part Araldite 420 kits (QTY 3) is now in process (albeit it is back-ordered) Hopefully, it will be enough. If most everyone has used more, let me know now, to avoid multiple export/import tariffs and taxes that would be on the second order (and to help keep me from being tempted to going back to Aeropoxy 6228 (which has been used successfully by at least one (and I suspect many) builder already, on parts of the wing or windscreens, not to mention the Velocity). Hopefully soon, the stalled sections of the build can commence. Thanks again. I know all this will be useful to future builders, since I beat myself up, over this decision. Greg Fuchs (A050) Tigard (Portland), Oregon Tail Kit, looking ahead, but not yet moved to wing/fuselage (transporting them to my build location tomorrow) Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aeropoxy 6228 ~ NEV? In a message dated 13/04/2007 16:00:08 GMT Standard Time, EuropaXSA276@aol.com writes: I have been most interested in this product. The Aeropoxy rep at Sun N Fun had told me the it was under testing by Europa as a replacement adhesive a few years back. I talked with Andy a year later, at Sun n Fun inquiring about the testing. He replied that the product did not hold up to his expectations. Therefore it was never "approved". I most certainly would like to know more about the testing and what issues were found. The 6228 has cost and accessibility benefits. Perhaps Nev could fill us in on the subject? Hi Brian et all, The Aeropoxy adhesive is NOT suitable as a replacement for Redux / Araldite 420 in use on a Europa. Tests I carried out way back when , back to back, with Aeropoxy and 420 showed the Aeropoxy to be far too brittle. Lap joint test samples were made useing the pre preg laminates as in the fuselage / wing skins, same materials / same sizes / same surface preparation / same cure cycle / with both adhesives. Did 10 of each from memory? Didn't need to get them scientifically strain tested [ by Slingsby, which is what we had done with various lay up resins] a simple blow with a hammer on one end of the tab , with the other end clamped in a vice showed that the Aeropoxy bonded ones let go every time, whereas the 420 bonded ones would take one hell of a beating before eventually the pre preg would fail.[ Same hammer ! ] The make up of the 420 includes rubber granules, so there is a fair amount of '' give '' in the bond. This is allways a good test to check if the 420 has '' time lifed ''. [ in spite of the very conservative expiry date set by the manufacturer ] If the bond fails, bin it, if the glass fails, it is still good. I also tested a couple of other adhesives [ at different times ] against the 420, similar results. If there had been a suitable replacement to 420, it would have been used in the U.S.A. as we had a lot of hassle getting the 420 shipped over [ Dangerous Goods and all that !] Don't experiment and risk your life, just to save a few bucks ? Cheers, Nev.
Greg-
 
Before you order from Belgium, you may want to Google it and see what you can find in the US.  I just did and "Aerotape" in Orlando, FL comes up and they list Huntsman on their web site.  I did not call, but it would certainly be worth researching before you go the long way.
 
Jim Puglise A-383, Punta Gorda, FL
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "gregoryf.flyboy" <gregoryf.flyboy@comcast.net>

Looks like this thread has died down,  so

 

Thankyou Brian and Nev. This is good information. Nev, the description on your test results was refreshingly invaluable. It is info that is hard to come by.  I saw the original thread from Brian on the Matronix server concerning the independent testing being done by Andy Draper, but never saw the results on the server.

 

I had a personal email response from Andy about a year ago, that I just looked at, concerning the different epoxy manufactures (I had almost forgotten I had this). In there, was the same response in the structural adhesive section of the email: We have found that none of the Aeropoxy or Hysol products compare favourably with Araldite/Epibond 420 (formerly Redux 420).

 

Because of the cost and hassle in getting the A/E 420 here in the states, I had been starting to lean towards Aeropoxy 6228, but it now seems that until I can get an adhesive that is known to be at least equivalent or better in all tests, its going to have to be Araldite/Epibond for me. My order of 1.4Kg 2-part Araldite 420 kits (QTY 3)    is now in process (albeit it is back-ordered)   Hopefully, it will be enough. If most everyone has used more, let me know now, to avoid multiple export/import tariffs and taxes that would be on the second order (and to help keep me from being tempted to going back to Aeropoxy 6228 (which has been used successfully by at least one (and I suspect many) builder already, on parts of the wing or windscreens, not to mention the Velocity).

 

Hopefully soon, the stalled sections of the build can commence.

Thanks again. I know all this will be useful to future builders, since I beat myself up, over this decision.

 

Greg Fuchs (A050)

Tigard (Portland), Oregon

Tail Kit, looking ahead, but not yet moved to wing/fuselage (transporting them to my build location tomorrow)

 

 

 

Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aeropoxy 6228 ~ NEV?

 

In a message dated 13/04/2007 16:00:08 GMT Standard Time, EuropaXSA276@aol.com writes:

I have been most interested in this product.  The Aeropoxy rep at Sun N Fun had told me the it was under testing by Europa as a replacement adhesive a few years back.  

I talked with Andy a year later, at Sun n Fun inquiring about the testing. He replied that the product did not hold up to his expectations. Therefore it was never "approved".

I most certainly would like to know more about the testing and what issues were found.  The 6228 has cost and accessibility benefits.

 

Perhaps Nev could fill us in on the subject?

Hi Brian et all,

The Aeropoxy adhesive is NOT suitable as a replacement for Redux / Araldite 420 in use on a Europa.

Tests I carried out way back when , back to back, with Aeropoxy and 420 showed the Aeropoxy to be far too brittle.

Lap joint test samples were made useing the pre preg laminates as in the fuselage / wing skins, same materials / same sizes / same surface preparation / same cure cycle / with both adhesives. Did 10 of each from memory?

Didn't need to get them scientifically strain tested [ by Slingsby, which is what we had done with various lay up resins] a simple blow with a hammer on one end of the tab , with the other end clamped in a vice showed that the Aeropoxy bonded ones let go every time, whereas the 420 bonded ones would take one hell of a beating before eventually the pre preg would fail.[ Same hammer ! ]

The make up of the 420 includes rubber granules, so there is a fair amount of '' give '' in the bond.

This is allways a good test to check if the 420 has '' time lifed ''. [ in spite of the very conservative expiry date set by the manufacturer ] If the bond fails, bin it, if the glass fails, it is still good. 

I also tested a couple of other adhesives [ at different times ] against the 420, similar results.

If there had been a suitable replacement to 420, it would have been used in the U.S.A. as we had a lot of hassle getting the 420 shipped over [ Dangerous Goods and all that !]

Don't experiment and risk your life, just to save a few bucks ?

Cheers,

Nev.

 
 
________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:28:24 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Axle NUts From: "martymason" The AN960 is a washer. According to the manual Page 29M-9 the axle nut is a M6 nylock nut. Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:18:04 PM PST US From: "Al Stills" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Axle NUts Marty Thanks for pointing that put, however the only nylock is on the front wheel. Not the main axls. I'm pretty sure Its 1 1/4" x 16 but was just needed someone to verify that had to reorder before. Al Stills N625Az -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of martymason Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 12:24 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Axle NUts The AN960 is a washer. According to the manual Page 29M-9 the axle nut is a M6 nylock nut. Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:39:36 PM PST US From: "DJGeldermann" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aeropoxy 6228---Araldite 420 Based on recent threads, I just ordered a one quart kit of Araldite 420 A/B from Graco Supply in Texas, (817) 535-3200. $187.50 per quart (ouch) + shipping (around $20). At least it's available and fresh. Dan Geldermann A-139 Virginia ----- Original Message ----- From: jimpuglise@comcast.net To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:00 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Aeropoxy 6228 Greg- Before you order from Belgium, you may want to Google it and see what you can find in the US. I just did and "Aerotape" in Orlando, FL comes up and they list Huntsman on their web site. I did not call, but it would certainly be worth researching before you go the long way. Jim Puglise A-383, Punta Gorda, FL -------------- Original message -------------- From: "gregoryf.flyboy" Looks like this thread has died down, so.. Thankyou Brian and Nev. This is good information. Nev, the description on your test results was refreshingly invaluable. It is info that is hard to come by. I saw the original thread from Brian on the Matronix server concerning the independent testing being done by Andy Draper, but never saw the results on the server. I had a personal email response from Andy about a year ago, that I just looked at, concerning the different epoxy manufactures (I had almost forgotten I had this). In there, was the same response in the structural adhesive section of the email: " We have found that none of the Aeropoxy or Hysol products compare favourably with Araldite/Epibond 420 (formerly Redux 420)." Because of the cost and hassle in getting the A/E 420 here in the states, I had been starting to lean towards Aeropoxy 6228, but it now seems that until I can get an adhesive that is known to be at least equivalent or better in all tests, its going to have to be Araldite/Epibond for me. My order of 1.4Kg 2-part Araldite 420 kits (QTY 3) is now in process. (albeit it is back-ordered) Hopefully, it will be enough. If most everyone has used more, let me know now, to avoid multiple export/import tariffs and taxes that would be on the second order (and to help keep me from being tempted to going back to Aeropoxy 6228 (which has been used successfully by at least one (and I suspect many) builder already, on parts of the wing or windscreens, not to mention the Velocity). Hopefully soon, the stalled sections of the build can commence. Thanks again. I know all this will be useful to future builders, since I beat myself up, over this decision. Greg Fuchs (A050) Tigard (Portland), Oregon Tail Kit, looking ahead, but not yet moved to wing/fuselage (transporting them to my build location tomorrow) Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aeropoxy 6228 ~ NEV? In a message dated 13/04/2007 16:00:08 GMT Standard Time, EuropaXSA276@aol.com writes: I have been most interested in this product. The Aeropoxy rep at Sun N Fun had told me the it was under testing by Europa as a replacement adhesive a few years back. I talked with Andy a year later, at Sun n Fun inquiring about the testing. He replied that the product did not hold up to his expectations. Therefore it was never "approved". I most certainly would like to know more about the testing and what issues were found. The 6228 has cost and accessibility benefits. Perhaps Nev could fill us in on the subject? Hi Brian et all, The Aeropoxy adhesive is NOT suitable as a replacement for Redux / Araldite 420 in use on a Europa. Tests I carried out way back when , back to back, with Aeropoxy and 420 showed the Aeropoxy to be far too brittle. Lap joint test samples were made useing the pre preg laminates as in the fuselage / wing skins, same materials / same sizes / same surface preparation / same cure cycle / with both adhesives. Did 10 of each from memory? Didn't need to get them scientifically strain tested [ by Slingsby, which is what we had done with various lay up resins] a simple blow with a hammer on one end of the tab , with the other end clamped in a vice showed that the Aeropoxy bonded ones let go every time, whereas the 420 bonded ones would take one hell of a beating before eventually the pre preg would fail.[ Same hammer ! ] The make up of the 420 includes rubber granules, so there is a fair amount of '' give '' in the bond. This is allways a good test to check if the 420 has '' time lifed ''. [ in spite of the very conservative expiry date set by the manufacturer ] If the bond fails, bin it, if the glass fails, it is still good. I also tested a couple of other adhesives [ at different times ] against the 420, similar results. If there had been a suitable replacement to 420, it would have been used in the U.S.A. as we had a lot of hassle getting the 420 shipped over [ Dangerous Goods and all that !] Don't experiment and risk your life, just to save a few bucks ? Cheers, Nev. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:51:17 PM PST US From: DuaneFamly@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aeropoxy 6228---Araldite 420 That's where I got my last quart......Graco in Texas. Mine was $167/qt two years ago. Do Not Archive Mike Duane A207A Redding, California XS Conventional Gear Jabiru 3300 Sensenich R64Z N Ground Adjustable Prop ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:08:34 PM PST US From: "Steve Crimm" Subject: Europa-List: Joe Like Does anyone have an email address for Joe Like in Warner Robins, GA? Steve A058 N42AH ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:07:45 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Sun N Fun From: "Roger Lowe" Hi Everyone, This is sort of a last minute thing but I will be making the trip to Sun N Fun this week and hope to meet a few Eurpaphiles too. I plan to be there on Thursday to Saturday so I definitely try to be at the Europa booth around 11:00h on a couple of those days. Since this is my first post, I guess its about time I introduced myself. My name is Roger Lowe and I hail from Guelph, Ontario Canada and Ive been dreaming about building an Europa for a few years now and I my dream started to become a reality last July when I was able to purchase the partially completed kit (some of the tail feathers done) from the late Dennis Shupes estate in Edmonton. Some of you might remember it as it appeared for sale on eBay although I didnt purchase it on eBay, Presently the kit is in storage as I have spend the last few months converting my garage and getting ready for the first lay up. I must admit that Ive been lucking in the background reading all your posts for the past couple of years and I am amazed at the knowledge and experience this list has and it definitely eased my decision the purchase the Europa. The kit is a monowheel and the jury is still out on whether to convert it to a trigear or not. I do have a question though. Will Europa 04 be giving any demo flights at Sun & Fun or know of anybody that willing to take me up in one? I have not had the pleasure to actually feel the sweetness of the air under the wings of the Europa that so many of you rave about. You can only watch the DVD so many times and wish.. Anyways, hope to see a few of you at Sun N Fun. Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:05:57 PM PST US From: EuropaXSA276@aol.com Subject: Europa-List: Araldite / EpiBond 420 Texas Supplier FYI Greg: The local Texas distributor for Huntsman products is called: Graco Supply Co. 1001 Miller Ave. Fort Worth, 76105 - (817) 531-3248. The do sell EpiBond Araldite 420 but are most often out of stock. Expect a few weeks delivery time. Brian Skelly Europa XS TriGear #A276 North Texas USA You can see my build photos at: http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:45:13 PM PST US From: jimpuglise@comcast.net Subject: Re: Europa-List: Sun N Fun Roger- Lynne and I will also be there Thursday and Friday and will be at the booth just before lunch. Let's talk about tri vs mono. Jim Puglise A-283 -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Roger Lowe" > > Hi Everyone, > > This is sort of a last minute thing but I will be making the trip to Sun N Fun > this week and hope to meet a few Eurpaphiles too. I plan to be there on Thursday > to Saturday so I definitely try to be at the Europa booth around 11:00h on a > couple of those days. > > Since this is my first post, I guess its about time I introduced myself. My > name is Roger Lowe and I hail from Guelph, Ontario Canada and Ive been dreaming > about building an Europa for a few years now and I my dream started to become a > reality last July when I was able to purchase the partially completed kit (some > of the tail feathers done) from the late Dennis Shupes estate in Edmonton. Some > of you might remember it as it appeared for sale on eBay although I didnt > purchase it on eBay, Presently the kit is in storage as I have spend the last > few months converting my garage and getting ready for the first lay up. > > I must admit that Ive been lucking in the background reading all your posts for > the past couple of years and I am amazed at the knowledge and experience this > list has and it definitely eased my decision the purchase the Europa. The kit is > a monowheel and the jury is still out on whether to convert it to a trigear or > not. > > I do have a question though. Will Europa 04 be giving any demo flights at Sun & > Fun or know of anybody that willing to take me up in one? I have not had the > pleasure to actually feel the sweetness of the air under the wings of the Europa > that so many of you rave about. You can only watch the DVD so many times and > wish.. > > Anyways, hope to see a few of you at Sun N Fun. > > > > > > > Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org > > > > > > > >
Roger-
 
Lynne and I will also be there Thursday and Friday and will be at the booth just before lunch.  Let's talk about tri vs mono.
 
Jim Puglise A-283
 
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From: "Roger Lowe" <rlowe@speedway.ca>

> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Roger Lowe"
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> This is sort of a last minute thing but I will be making the trip to Sun N Fun
> this week and hope to meet a few Eurpaphiles too. I plan to be there on Thursday
> to Saturday so I definitely try to be at the Europa booth around 11:00h on a
> couple of those days.
>
> Since this is my first post, I guess its about time I introduced myself. My
> name is Roger Lowe and I hail from Guelph, Ontario Canada and Ive been dreaming
> about building an Europa for a few years now and I my dream started to become a
> reality last July when I was able to purchase the partially completed kit (some
> of the tail fe athers done) from the late Dennis Shupes estate in Edmonton. Some
> of you might remember it as it appeared for sale on eBay although I didnt
> purchase it on eBay, Presently the kit is in storage as I have spend the last
> few months converting my garage and getting ready for the first lay up.
>
> I must admit that Ive been lucking in the background reading all your posts for
> the past couple of years and I am amazed at the knowledge and experience this
> list has and it definitely eased my decision the purchase the Europa. The kit is
> a monowheel and the jury is still out on whether to convert it to a trigear or
> not.
>
> I do have a question though. Will Europa 04 be giving any demo flights at Sun &
> Fun or know of anybody that willing to take me up in one? I have not had the
> pleasure to actually feel the sweetness of the air under the wings of the Europa
> that so many of yo ===== ===================
>
>
>
________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:58:59 PM PST US From: "Steve Crimm" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Sun N Fun Bobbi and I will be there Sat and Sun at the booth at 11 Steve Crimm _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jimpuglise@comcast.net Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 22:43 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Sun N Fun Roger- Lynne and I will also be there Thursday and Friday and will be at the booth just before lunch. Let's talk about tri vs mono. Jim Puglise A-283 -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Roger Lowe" > > Hi Everyone, > > This is sort of a last minute thing but I will be making the trip to Sun N Fun > this week and hope to meet a few Eurpaphiles too. I plan to be there on Thursday > to Saturday so I definitely try to be at the Europa booth around 11:00h on a > couple of those days. > > Since this is my first post, I guess it=C2=92s about time I introduced myself. My > name is Roger Lowe and I hail from Guelph, Ontario Canada and I=C2=92ve been dreaming > about building an Europa for a few years now and I my dream started to =C2=93become a > reality=C2=94 last July when I was able to purchase the partially completed kit (some > of the tail fe athers done) from the late Dennis Shupe=C2=92s estate in Edmonton. Some > of you might remember it as it appeared for sale on eBay although I didn=C2=92t > purchase it on eBay, Presently the kit is in storage as I have spend the last > few months converting my garage and getting ready for the first lay up. > > I must admit that I=C2=92ve been lucking in the background reading all your posts for > the past couple of years and I am amazed at the knowledge and experience this > list has and it definitely eased my decision the purchase the Europa. The kit is > a monowheel and the jury is still out on whether to convert it to a trigear or > not. > > I do have a question though. Will Europa 04 be giving any demo flights at Sun & > Fun or know of anybody that willing to take me up in one? I have not had the > pleasure to actually feel the sweetness of the air under the wings of the Europa > that so many of yo ====== =================== > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:53:54 PM PST US From: "Kingsley Hurst" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Sun N Fun > Lynne and I will also be there . . . . . Let's talk about tri vs mono. You'll definitely be pushing for Mono won't you Jim ! Regards Kingsley in Oz. Wish I could be there too! Working on it so maybe the year after next. Do not archive ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:11:55 PM PST US From: DuaneFamly@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Sun N Fun In a message dated 4/16/2007 6:08:40 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, rlowe@speedway.ca writes: The kit is a monowheel and the jury is still out on whether to convert it to a trigear or not. Good morning Roger, Don't forget to think about the "Conventional Gear" conversion. If you need any information while your at Sun-N-Fun, look up Bob Berube at the local FlightCrafters. He'll probably be at the Show. Mike Duane A207A Redding, California XS Conventional Gear Jabiru 3300 Sensenich R64Z N Ground Adjustable Prop ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.