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1. 12:38 AM - Re: Sea Survival Equipment (simon miles)
2. 01:10 AM - Re: Sea Survival Equipment (Bob Hitchcock)
3. 01:28 AM - Re: Sea Survival Equipment (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
4. 01:54 AM - Re: Tie Wraps, Airventure, SnF Blog (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
5. 01:55 AM - Re: broken leg (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
6. 02:14 AM - Re: broken leg (Graham Singleton)
7. 02:50 AM - ELT/PLB's; and 912/914 engine problems (David.Corbett)
8. 03:12 AM - Re: Sea Survival Equipment (David Joyce)
9. 03:45 AM - Illegal ELT's (Carl Pattinson)
10. 04:10 AM - Re: Illegal ELT's (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
11. 04:55 AM - Re: Sea Survival Equipment (josok)
12. 05:34 AM - Re: Sea Survival Equipment (Jack Hilditch)
13. 05:48 AM - Re: Sea Survival Equipment (Carl Pattinson)
14. 05:48 AM - Re: Illegal ELT's (Trevpond@aol.com)
15. 09:08 AM - Re: WARNING - Europa/Rotax 912/914 Owners. (Michael Grass)
16. 09:49 AM - Re: WARNING - Europa/Rotax 912/914 Owners. (Paul McAllister)
17. 10:20 AM - M10x110 & M10 Binx Nut Torque Spec? (rlborger)
18. 02:03 PM - Reamer needed (Karl Heindl)
19. 02:12 PM - trimmed too much flap flange (Andrew Sarangan)
20. 03:16 PM - Corrosion Protection (Graham Higgins)
21. 03:45 PM - Re: Reamer needed (rlborger)
22. 03:46 PM - Baby Blue is back! (Rman)
23. 03:57 PM - Re: Baby Blue is back! (Gilles Thesee)
24. 04:00 PM - Re: Reamer Needed (rlborger)
25. 04:36 PM - Re: Baby Blue is back! (Jim Brown)
26. 04:44 PM - Re: Baby Blue is back! (JEFF ROBERTS)
27. 04:47 PM - Re: Tie Wraps, Airventure, SnF Blog (europa flugzeug fabrik)
28. 11:47 PM - Re: trimmed too much flap flange (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen)
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| Subject: | Re: Sea Survival Equipment |
Carl,
Did you know the rules regarding ELTs in Europe changed recently.
Here are some extracts from the ANO Amendment:
(5) An aeroplane flying for a purpose other than public transport over
water beyond gliding distance from land must carry life jackets, each
equipped with a whistle and a survival locator light. (Article 4(11)).
(15) From 1st January 2007 an aeroplane or a helicopter flying for a
purpose other than public transport more than 10 minutes flying time
away from land must carry an emergency locator transmitter (ELT). The
ELT must either be removable from the aircraft and be manually activated
by survivors or be permanently attached to an aircraft and automatically
activated in an emergency (an automatic ELT). When flying over areas in
which search and rescue would be especially difficult an automatic ELT
must be carried. (Article 4(11) and (13)).
Scale KK
(1) A survival emergency locator transmitter capable of operating in
accordance with the relevant provisions of Annex 10 to the Chicago
Convention, Volume III (Fifth Edition July 1995) and of transmitting on
121.5 MHz and 406 MHz.
(2) An automatic emergency locator transmitter capable of operating in
accordance with the relevant provisions of Annex 10 to the Chicago
Convention, Volume III (Fifth Edition July 1995) and transmitting on
121.5 MHz and 406 MHz.
Simon Miles
Carl Pattinson wrote:
> Surviving a sea ditching.
>
> Looking in the latest issue of the Transair catalogue the Survival
> Equipment offered is limited to Lifejackets, ELT's and Liferafts.
>
> IHMO, lifejackets are OK but bearinging mind the survivability in the
> North Sea is limited to approximately 20 mins its a bit of a risk to
> assume you would be rescued within that time.
>
> Ideally a liferaft would be the best option but weight and bulk are a
> consideration in the Europa - not to mention cost.
>
> ELT's - does anyone have any experirnce/ reccomendations of these and
> are they legal for use and carriage in the UK?
>
> Additionally I think it would be a good idea to carry a DYE pack and
> smoke flares but these dont seem to be readily available in the UK
> (and would they be legal to carry - ie: flares or smoke canisters). I
> suspect that smoke is probably the most effective way of visually
> identifying ones position in the water.
>
> I think many of us assume that in a daylight channel crossing it would
> be possible to attract the attention of a passing ship or vessel but
> short of ditching in the path of a suitable vessel (which could be
> dangerous) the chances of being spotted immediately are probably not
> that high.
>
> Any suggestions.
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Sea Survival Equipment |
I take a McMurmdo Fastfind plus (i.e. with GPS). and a good quality
lifejacket; Paramis GA1
With two up, plus full fuel and luggage for a weeks touring for two
there is not enough weight allowance remaining for a life-raft in my
case. The logic being that the McMurdo types offers a high quality ELT,
hopefully the rescue helicopter will come straight to you.
Some of the ELT's will no longer be "legal" shortly, there is a move to
make most registered. Mine is registered to me as pilot of my aircraft.
The very latest spec lifejacket e.g. Paramis GA1 offers a splash hood
and safety ring. (remember to buy a manual inflation model!).
Trust this helps
Regards
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Carl Pattinson
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 1:53 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Sea Survival Equipment
Surviving a sea ditching.
Looking in the latest issue of the Transair catalogue the Survival
Equipment offered is limited to Lifejackets, ELT's and Liferafts.
IHMO, lifejackets are OK but bearinging mind the survivability in the
North Sea is limited to approximately 20 mins its a bit of a risk to
assume you would be rescued within that time.
Ideally a liferaft would be the best option but weight and bulk are a
consideration in the Europa - not to mention cost.
ELT's - does anyone have any experirnce/ reccomendations of these and
are they legal for use and carriage in the UK?
Additionally I think it would be a good idea to carry a DYE pack and
smoke flares but these dont seem to be readily available in the UK (and
would they be legal to carry - ie: flares or smoke canisters). I suspect
that smoke is probably the most effective way of visually identifying
ones position in the water.
I think many of us assume that in a daylight channel crossing it would
be possible to attract the attention of a passing ship or vessel but
short of ditching in the path of a suitable vessel (which could be
dangerous) the chances of being spotted immediately are probably not
that high.
Any suggestions.
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| Subject: | Re: Sea Survival Equipment |
See debate at
http://www.pfa.org.uk/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=6;t=00
0090
We've been 'stitched-up' again by the legislature. Only approved ELTs
can be carried (which stop working and sink in sea water!)
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Hitchcock
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Sea Survival Equipment
I take a McMurmdo Fastfind plus (i.e. with GPS). and a good quality
lifejacket; Paramis GA1
With two up, plus full fuel and luggage for a weeks touring for two
there is not enough weight allowance remaining for a life-raft in my
case. The logic being that the McMurdo types offers a high quality ELT,
hopefully the rescue helicopter will come straight to you.
Some of the ELT's will no longer be "legal" shortly, there is a move
to make most registered. Mine is registered to me as pilot of my
aircraft. The very latest spec lifejacket e.g. Paramis GA1 offers a
splash hood and safety ring. (remember to buy a manual inflation
model!).
Trust this helps
Regards
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Carl Pattinson
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 1:53 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Sea Survival Equipment
Surviving a sea ditching.
Looking in the latest issue of the Transair catalogue the Survival
Equipment offered is limited to Lifejackets, ELT's and Liferafts.
IHMO, lifejackets are OK but bearinging mind the survivability in
the North Sea is limited to approximately 20 mins its a bit of a risk to
assume you would be rescued within that time.
Ideally a liferaft would be the best option but weight and bulk are
a consideration in the Europa - not to mention cost.
ELT's - does anyone have any experirnce/ reccomendations of these
and are they legal for use and carriage in the UK?
Additionally I think it would be a good idea to carry a DYE pack and
smoke flares but these dont seem to be readily available in the UK (and
would they be legal to carry - ie: flares or smoke canisters). I suspect
that smoke is probably the most effective way of visually identifying
ones position in the water.
I think many of us assume that in a daylight channel crossing it
would be possible to attract the attention of a passing ship or vessel
but short of ditching in the path of a suitable vessel (which could be
dangerous) the chances of being spotted immediately are probably not
that high.
Any suggestions.
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| Subject: | Re: Tie Wraps, Airventure, SnF Blog |
<<Sensitivity to UV and to heat is based on material, not color. >>
If the black colouration is achieved by hte addition of carbon black,
then very good UV resistance is acheived.
Duncan McF.
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My understanding of nylon is that it requires to retain its inherent
'moisture' to remain flexible.
If this moisture is lost, it becomes brittle.
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass@comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 3:24 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: broken leg
>
> All,
>
> I made a little while an interesting observation with tie raps (not sure
> about spelling) which I believe are made from similar nylon material as
> your outrigger legs. I have a lot of experience with the cable tie raps
> based on my previous job where I used a lot of them. You can rely totally
> abuse them and they stay flexible.
>
> Last year when I bonded the top on, I realized that some of the tie raps
> got really brittle like hard plastic. I wondered why. The only thing I
> could come up with is that they got in contact with acetone.
>
> Now I made a test. I wiped a couple of tie raps with acetone and left them
> for a day. After this 1 day waiting time I just bended the tie rap and
> they broke just like hard plastic. Totally weird. The only thing I can
> come up with is that the Acetone changed the outer surface properties of
> the tie rap and made it very brittle.
>
> So with this observation: Could it be that you experienced the same thing
> here? Did you or the painter cleaned the legs with acetone? Or did the
> paint changed some of the properties of the nylon?
>
> Again, I do not know what exactly the Acetone did to my tie raps but the
> more educated chemist might be able to chip in here with an explanation.
>
> Blue skies up
>
> Michael Grass
> Europa XS Tri Gear
> Detroit, Mi
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 3:47 PM
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: broken leg
>
>
>>
>> Jos, not possible
>>
>> *. The painter painted those legs too, with the standard paint the
>> factory has. Could that have caused some change all through the material,
>> or is this just a bad batch? Have these massive nylon bars broken before
>> just by hand-moving?
>> *
>>
>> Must be a bad batch. Nothing to do with painting.
>> I have painted legs also. Wish no other damages!
>>
>> The Best days are near of You.
>>
>> Raimo
>>
>> Good days (yesterday) and bad days (today) come and go :-)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Jos Okhuijsen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
>>>
>>>
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I have read somewhere that nylon will absorb up to 7% of its own weight
in water. Acetone may displace the water by osmosis (ie entice the water
to come out!?!)which might cause embrittlement.
Just thinking sideways a bit.
Graham
Duncan & Ami McFadyean wrote:
> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> My understanding of nylon is that it requires to retain its inherent
> 'moisture' to remain flexible.
> If this moisture is lost, it becomes brittle.
>
> Duncan McF.05
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| Subject: | ELT/PLB's; and 912/914 engine problems |
Europhiles everywhere - two problems have come to light in UK/EU:
1 UK/EU legislation came into force a month ago requiring
all aircraft to carry ELT's if going more than 10 mins flying time over
water, or over certain inhospitable territory - do not come back to me if I
have mis-quoted the detail!
The point is that, if an ELT is fitted to an aircraft, it will almost
certainly sink immediately with the aircraft in a ditching situation. The
alternative is to carry a CAA approved PLB - but there are none!
The UK CAA is urgently debating this anomaly, and they have stated - at a UK
meeting on 18 April - that they expect to come up with definitive guidance
on how to overcome this problem in the very near future. Therefore, do not
rush to try to comply with this legislation until the CAA come up with their
guidance.
2 Here at Shobdon, Adrian Lloyd has been working on a 912
that has ingested a small nut; once inside the engine, the nut migrated
between cylinders 1 & 3, doing enormous damage. He has heard - not at first
hand - that this has happened to another engine. He has looked at my
aircraft (now in his workshop for Mod 72 tomorrow) and has come to the
conclusion that the most likely source of the errant nut would have been
from a nut and bolt securing a P-clip to the plenum chamber.
Therefore, look very closely around your plenum chambers!
David
G-BZAM - UK 265
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| Subject: | Re: Sea Survival Equipment |
Carl, I think your 20 mins survival in the channel is pessimistic. Current
sea temp in the channel is around 11 C at which death from hypothermia is
said to be unlikely in less than 90 mins - and this is close to the coolest
sea water temp of the year. There is much interesting info on ditching and
survival times vs water temp on http://www.equipped.org/ditchingmyths.htm
together with the linked pages. A dinghy doesnt need to weigh more than 10
lbs, although a survival kit may add to that, and I would personally carry
one for long or cold sea crossings, but not for a summer short channel
crossing. I do also carry a McMurdo Paines Fastfind Plus PLB attached to my
person.
Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carl Pattinson" <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 1:53 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Sea Survival Equipment
Surviving a sea ditching.
Looking in the latest issue of the Transair catalogue the Survival Equipment
offered is limited to Lifejackets, ELT's and Liferafts.
IHMO, lifejackets are OK but bearinging mind the survivability in the North
Sea is limited to approximately 20 mins its a bit of a risk to assume you
would be rescued within that time.
Ideally a liferaft would be the best option but weight and bulk are a
consideration in the Europa - not to mention cost.
ELT's - does anyone have any experirnce/ reccomendations of these and are
they legal for use and carriage in the UK?
Additionally I think it would be a good idea to carry a DYE pack and smoke
flares but these dont seem to be readily available in the UK (and would they
be legal to carry - ie: flares or smoke canisters). I suspect that smoke is
probably the most effective way of visually identifying ones position in the
water.
I think many of us assume that in a daylight channel crossing it would be
possible to attract the attention of a passing ship or vessel but short of
ditching in the path of a suitable vessel (which could be dangerous) the
chances of being spotted immediately are probably not that high.
Any suggestions.
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I am bound to say that where my personal survival is concerned, the CAA
and powers that be can take a running jump !!!
If an illegal ELT ensures I am found quickly before I die from
hypothermia then I am happy to take them on in the courts afterwards.
The authorities would be foolish (to say the least) if they considered
prosecuting an airman who saved both his and his passengers life in this
manner. The press would make mincemeat of them and the worst penalty a
court is likely to hand out would be a suspended sentence.
Maybe that' naivety on my part.
----- Original Message -----
From: David.Corbett
To: Europa Forum
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 10:49 AM
Subject: Europa-List: ELT/PLB's; and 912/914 engine problems
Europhiles everywhere - two problems have come to light in UK/EU:
1 UK/EU legislation came into force a month ago
requiring all aircraft to carry ELT's if going more than 10 mins flying
time over water, or over certain inhospitable territory - do not come
back to me if I have mis-quoted the detail!
The point is that, if an ELT is fitted to an aircraft, it will almost
certainly sink immediately with the aircraft in a ditching situation.
The alternative is to carry a CAA approved PLB - but there are none!
The UK CAA is urgently debating this anomaly, and they have stated -
at a UK meeting on 18 April - that they expect to come up with
definitive guidance on how to overcome this problem in the very near
future. Therefore, do not rush to try to comply with this legislation
until the CAA come up with their guidance.
2 Here at Shobdon, Adrian Lloyd has been working on
a 912 that has ingested a small nut; once inside the engine, the nut
migrated between cylinders 1 & 3, doing enormous damage. He has heard -
not at first hand - that this has happened to another engine. He has
looked at my aircraft (now in his workshop for Mod 72 tomorrow) and has
come to the conclusion that the most likely source of the errant nut
would have been from a nut and bolt securing a P-clip to the plenum
chamber.
Therefore, look very closely around your plenum chambers!
David
G-BZAM - UK 265
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| Subject: | Re: Illegal ELT's |
Interesting point, because the amendments to the ANO that caused all
this fuss also carries an element of target setting (i.e pilot
responsible for ensuring satisfactory measures carried or adopted,
compatible to the circumstances of the flight/terrain flown over) and
duty of care (to passengers).
Further, once you have ditched and climbed aboard your life raft (or are
sitting on the plane, if it floats(!)), are you a boat or a 'plane or
otherwise distinguishable from the average mariner in distress?
Duncan McF
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Carl Pattinson
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 11:44 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Illegal ELT's
I am bound to say that where my personal survival is concerned, the
CAA and powers that be can take a running jump !!!
If an illegal ELT ensures I am found quickly before I die from
hypothermia then I am happy to take them on in the courts afterwards.
The authorities would be foolish (to say the least) if they considered
prosecuting an airman who saved both his and his passengers life in this
manner. The press would make mincemeat of them and the worst penalty a
court is likely to hand out would be a suspended sentence.
Maybe that' naivety on my part.
----- Original Message -----
From: David.Corbett
To: Europa Forum
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 10:49 AM
Subject: Europa-List: ELT/PLB's; and 912/914 engine problems
Europhiles everywhere - two problems have come to light in UK/EU:
1 UK/EU legislation came into force a month ago
requiring all aircraft to carry ELT's if going more than 10 mins flying
time over water, or over certain inhospitable territory - do not come
back to me if I have mis-quoted the detail!
The point is that, if an ELT is fitted to an aircraft, it will
almost certainly sink immediately with the aircraft in a ditching
situation. The alternative is to carry a CAA approved PLB - but there
are none!
The UK CAA is urgently debating this anomaly, and they have stated -
at a UK meeting on 18 April - that they expect to come up with
definitive guidance on how to overcome this problem in the very near
future. Therefore, do not rush to try to comply with this legislation
until the CAA come up with their guidance.
2 Here at Shobdon, Adrian Lloyd has been working
on a 912 that has ingested a small nut; once inside the engine, the nut
migrated between cylinders 1 & 3, doing enormous damage. He has heard -
not at first hand - that this has happened to another engine. He has
looked at my aircraft (now in his workshop for Mod 72 tomorrow) and has
come to the conclusion that the most likely source of the errant nut
would have been from a nut and bolt securing a P-clip to the plenum
chamber.
Therefore, look very closely around your plenum chambers!
David
G-BZAM - UK 265
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| Subject: | Re: Sea Survival Equipment |
Why not use survival suites, as carried by oil platform personnel on helicopter
rides? These will keep you alive in any water for more then 24 hrs. I've seen
those in Norway, in a shop supplying material for fisherman. The price, weight
and bulkiness were way lower then i expected them to be. Maybe our Norwegian
friends can supply some more details? And instead of an elt, i would go for a
combination of elt and gps equipped PLB. I've been on SAR training missions searching
for an elt, and it's not as easy as it's supposed to be. As for the legal
requirements: My first objective would be to increase the chance of survival.
Second comes the legality :-)
Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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| Subject: | Sea Survival Equipment |
Some authoritative information about Distress Alerting EPIRBs / ELTs (121.5 MHz
vs. 406 MHz), including their function, capability, coverage and legality in the
US can be found at: http://www.equipped.org/406_vs_1215.htm
Regards,
Jack Hilditch
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of josok
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 7:55 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Sea Survival Equipment
Why not use survival suites, as carried by oil platform personnel on helicopter
rides? These will keep you alive in any water for more then 24 hrs. I've seen
those in Norway, in a shop supplying material for fisherman. The price, weight
and bulkiness were way lower then i expected them to be. Maybe our Norwegian
friends can supply some more details? And instead of an elt, i would go for a
combination of elt and gps equipped PLB. I've been on SAR training missions
searching for an elt, and it's not as easy as it's supposed to be. As for the
legal requirements: My first objective would be to increase the chance of
survival. Second comes the legality :-)
Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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| Subject: | Re: Sea Survival Equipment |
Jos Okhuijsen - said
> I've been on SAR training missions searching for an elt, and it's not as
> easy as it's supposed to be.
Thats why I raised the point about using smoke or sea dye. I know nothing
whatsoever about ELT technology but I figured it would only give a general
location as to where the ELT is located - ie it isnt direction sensitive. My
guess an ELT will only guide the search helicopter or vessel to within a
mile or two of the target and then its down to the Mk1 eyeball.
Assuming there is time to make a mayday call that alone should be sufficient
to guide search and rescue to within a couple of miles but there is no
guarantee you could make that call in an emergency or accurately give your
location - I must see if there is a button on my Garmin which will display
the GPS coordinates.
Smoke or dye makes it much quicker to locate a downed craft as there may
well be other small vessels in the search area and the SAR would need to
elimnate these as possible targets.
As to immersion suits I am not sure these are any lighter than carrying a
raft (Transair sells a raft which is 12kg) - maybe someone makes a
lightweight version. I personally feel that a bulky survival suit would be
somewhat impractical for flying. Purely from a weight point of view a diving
wet suit would afford a considerable improvement in survivability.
----- Original Message -----
From: "josok" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Sea Survival Equipment
>
> Why not use survival suites, as carried by oil platform personnel on
> helicopter rides? These will keep you alive in any water for more then 24
> hrs. I've seen those in Norway, in a shop supplying material for
> fisherman. The price, weight and bulkiness were way lower then i expected
> them to be. Maybe our Norwegian friends can supply some more details? And
> instead of an elt, i would go for a combination of elt and gps equipped
> PLB. I've been on SAR training missions searching for an elt, and it's not
> as easy as it's supposed to be. As for the legal requirements: My first
> objective would be to increase the chance of survival. Second comes the
> legality :-)
>
> Regards,
>
> Jos Okhuijsen
>
>
> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Illegal ELT's |
In a message dated 22/04/2007 12:11:19 GMT Daylight Time,
ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk writes:
Interesting point, because the amendments to the ANO that caused all this
fuss also carries an element of target setting (i.e pilot responsible for
ensuring satisfactory measures carried or adopted, compatible to the circumstances
of the flight/terrain flown over) and duty of care (to passengers).
Further, once you have ditched and climbed aboard your life raft (or are
sitting on the plane, if it floats(!)), are you a boat or a 'plane or otherwise
distinguishable from the average mariner in distress?
Duncan McF
Do not archive
I don't know about a plane, or a boat, I would say that you were in the
crap!!
Trev Pond
G=LINN
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| Subject: | Re: WARNING - Europa/Rotax 912/914 Owners. |
Paul,
I just tried to access your website but can't get to it. I hope you are
not shutting it down for good. It is a great resource for other builders
like me.
Actually I was looking for the information on how much Redux you have
used for closing one wing. I am finally getting there after
concentrating more on the fuselage before. (I built out of sequence.) I
have about a 1/2 can of the yellow paste left. Originally I thought to
substitute with the stuff from Aeropoxy but after the recent postings I
do not want to mess with the wine skin anymore. I suspect a lot of
flexing and sheering forces on the wings.
Regards
Michael Grass
A266 Trigear 914 Woodcomp 3/3000
Detroit
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul McAllister
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 8:25 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: WARNING - Europa/Rotax 912/914 Owners.
Hi,
If you take a look at http://europa363.versadev.com/ under January
2004 you can see a few pictures of what I did. I re routed one of the
oil hoses to run on the port side of the motor, across the back of the
engine mount and up into the oil container. I used Teflon braided
Aeroquip 666 hose.
So far this has held up fine for 600 hours.
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Brian
Hutchinson
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 7:35 AM
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Europa-List: WARNING - Europa/Rotax 912/914 Owners.
So... Has anyone got a satisfactory solution to this design
disaster??
Brian Hutchinson
Mike
Your timely warning reminds me of a similar but different problem
found on my 912ULS at last permit renewal. One of the coolant pipes was
found to be burnt by an exhaust downpipe. The damage was confined to the
heat shielding which had burnt right through and was about to burn
through the rubber hose. Basically, the hose routing was too close to
the downpipe - a previous owner had wrapped it up with heat shielding to
compensate. An extra reason why this was alarming was that a 912-engined
DynAir Banbi in the same hanger had recently suffered a complete loss of
coolant through an identical problem (the owner lived to tell the tale
but had his wallet lightened by an expensive engine rebuild). I believe
Mike Gregory has some gory photos of the damage.
Happy flying
Willie Harrison (G-BZNY)
On 8 Apr 2007, at 20:01, Mike Parkin wrote:
Hi Guys,
For all Europa owners with Rotax 914.
Just preparing to incorporate Mod 72 and took the opportunity to
have a good look around. I found one of the oil pipes badly charred by
No1 cylinder exhaust pipe. The pipe concerned is the one that connects
the oil cooler to the oil pump. Fortunately, when I installed the pipe I
fitted some heat shielding from 'Demon Tweaks' - the heat shield was
burned through and the pipe was just starting to be affected.
On initial installation the pipe did not touch the exhaust, so the
bend must have eased during use.
Looking at the installation, it seems that a slightly shorter pipe
after the bend where it connects to the oil pump should solve the
problem.
Hopefully, this is a one off and my aircraft is the only one
affected.
But I thought all you chaps might like to know. It is worth a quick
look - a burst oil pipe in this position could be very dangerous.
Kind regards,
Mike Parkin (G-JULZ)
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| Subject: | WARNING - Europa/Rotax 912/914 Owners. |
Michael,
The server fro my WEB site resides in Australia. I'll check with the guys
on Monday if its still not up. As far as your question goes I'd have to
troll through my hard copy but I seem to recall about 1/4 of a tin per
wing,maybe a little more.
One trap I found was that the flox dries out the mix when you let it stand,
so don't get too carried away with how much flox you add. I applied mine
with an empty calking compound tube & gun which was 10 times easier than
hand spreading the stuff.
I don't want to lead you astray but I would have no problem in using post
dated stuff because the two compounds are chemically inert until mixed, I
invite you to do you own research on this.
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael Grass
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 11:07 AM
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: WARNING - Europa/Rotax 912/914 Owners.
Paul,
I just tried to access your website but can't get to it. I hope you are
not shutting it down for good. It is a great resource for other builders
like me.
Actually I was looking for the information on how much Redux you have used
for closing one wing. I am finally getting there after concentrating more on
the fuselage before. (I built out of sequence.) I have about a 1/2 can of
the yellow paste left. Originally I thought to substitute with the stuff
from Aeropoxy but after the recent postings I do not want to mess with the
wine skin anymore. I suspect a lot of flexing and sheering forces on the
wings.
Regards
Michael Grass
A266 Trigear 914 Woodcomp 3/3000
Detroit
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul McAllister
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 8:25 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: WARNING - Europa/Rotax 912/914 Owners.
Hi,
If you take a look at http://europa363.versadev.com/ under January 2004
you can see a few pictures of what I did. I re routed one of the oil hoses
to run on the port side of the motor, across the back of the engine mount
and up into the oil container. I used Teflon braided Aeroquip 666 hose.
So far this has held up fine for 600 hours.
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Brian Hutchinson
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 7:35 AM
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Europa-List: WARNING - Europa/Rotax 912/914 Owners.
So... Has anyone got a satisfactory solution to this design
disaster??
Brian Hutchinson
Mike
Your timely warning reminds me of a similar but different problem
found on my 912ULS at last permit renewal. One of the coolant pipes was
found to be burnt by an exhaust downpipe. The damage was confined to the
heat shielding which had burnt right through and was about to burn through
the rubber hose. Basically, the hose routing was too close to the downpipe -
a previous owner had wrapped it up with heat shielding to compensate. An
extra reason why this was alarming was that a 912-engined DynAir Banbi in
the same hanger had recently suffered a complete loss of coolant through an
identical problem (the owner lived to tell the tale but had his wallet
lightened by an expensive engine rebuild). I believe Mike Gregory has some
gory photos of the damage.
Happy flying
Willie Harrison (G-BZNY)
On 8 Apr 2007, at 20:01, Mike Parkin wrote:
Hi Guys,
For all Europa owners with Rotax 914.
Just preparing to incorporate Mod 72 and took the opportunity to have
a good look around. I found one of the oil pipes badly charred by No1
cylinder exhaust pipe. The pipe concerned is the one that connects the oil
cooler to the oil pump. Fortunately, when I installed the pipe I fitted some
heat shielding from 'Demon Tweaks' - the heat shield was burned through and
the pipe was just starting to be affected.
On initial installation the pipe did not touch the exhaust, so the
bend must have eased during use.
Looking at the installation, it seems that a slightly shorter pipe
after the bend where it connects to the oil pump should solve the problem.
Hopefully, this is a one off and my aircraft is the only one affected.
But I thought all you chaps might like to know. It is worth a quick
look - a burst oil pipe in this position could be very dangerous.
Kind regards,
Mike Parkin (G-JULZ)
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| Subject: | M10x110 & M10 Binx Nut Torque Spec? |
Fellow Europaphiles,
I have just hung the engine (2nd time after Mod 72). I have looked
through the build manual, engine installation manual, Rotax
installation manual and searched the archives but have not been able
to locate any torque specifications for the M10x110 engine mount
bolts and M10 Binx nuts.
Can anyone provide the torque numbers for these for bolts/nuts?
TIA
Good building and great flying,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S
http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL
(85%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in,
Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar
in, flap drive in, Mod 70 done. Baggage bay in. Flaps & Main Gear
complete. Mod 72 complete. Working in - 24 Instrument Panel, 25
Electrical, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35 Doors, 37
Finishing. Airmaster arrived 29 Sep 05. Seat arrived from Oregon
Aero. E04 interior kit has arrived and is being installed.
Installing the ROTAX 914, again.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
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I just managed to get the 4 engine bolts off for Mod 72. Would someone be
able to loan me a reamer for a small fee ? I am located in Ontario but can
also collect from a NY state address.
Please reply direct and I'll give my address.
Karl
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| Subject: | trimmed too much flap flange |
I trimmed a little too much flange off the tip end of the flap. Now the
gap between the aileron and flap is about 15mm instead of the
recommended 3-5mm. I am assuming this is not such a big deal, but would
like to rebuild the flange anyway to reduce the gap. I was thinking of
applying a few strip of bid on the old flange, to rebuild it. Any
thoughts if I am overlooking something?
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| Subject: | Corrosion Protection |
A previous thread, but I do not recall any mention of Rust Bullet. Does
anyone have any experience with Rust Bullet as corrosion protection for both
metal and aluminium? The info on their website includes independent
comparison with other leading brands, and is very interesting. I would be
keen to know how it is in practice. www.rustbullet.com
Graham Higgins, in Oz.
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| Subject: | Re: Reamer needed |
Karl,
My reamer should be in Victoria, BC right now. I expect to have it
back later this week. I am committed to taking it down to Brian
Skelly one weekend to do his Mod. Once I have it back from BC, I'll
call Brian and see when we can do his mod. If he isn't ready
immediately, I'll be glad to pass it on to you next. If he is ready
to do the mod, we'll get it done ASAP and get the reamer on to you
immediately after.
I'll let you know as soon as we have things scheduled and you can
send your mailing address.
Good building and great flying,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S
http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL
(85%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in,
Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar
in, flap drive in, Mod 70 done. Baggage bay in. Flaps & Main Gear
complete. Mod 72 complete. Working in - 24 Instrument Panel, 25
Electrical, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35 Doors, 37
Finishing. Airmaster arrived 29 Sep 05. Seat arrived from Oregon
Aero. E04 interior kit has arrived and is being installed.
Installing the ROTAX 914, again.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
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| Subject: | Baby Blue is back! |
As some of you know, Mary and I attended Sun'N Fun without Baby Blue,
this year. The problem was a power loss and shuddering upon takeoff, at
about 500 - 700 feet. I made all the checks I could think of: fuel
flow/pressure, restrictions in the lines/filters, vents, ignition, prop,
etc. I presented the problem to several at Sun'N Fun and got several
good suggestions. Basically, we narrowed it down to a carb problem,
most suggesting that one of the slides may be stuck. Well, I went out
to the plane, today and checked the slides. No problems there, but,
being a bit anal, I popped the tops anyway and checked them both out.
They both looked like new, with no dirt of any kind. A bit disappointed
that I hadn't found anything obvious, I reassembled the carbs and
reattached everything. One of my last checks was to test the spring
pressure on the cables and there it was. The port carb was fine, but
the the starboard spring was completely loose when the arm was pushed
fully forward. Confident that I'd actually found the problem, I
shortened the spring and cowled her up. Subsequent test flight verified
the fix. Baby Blue has never run so smoothly! A new set of springs
will be on order tomorrow.
For those who run into a rough running engine, I highly recommend that
you add checking the springs to your diagnostic toolbox.
Jeff - Baby Blue
Happily flying again...
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| Subject: | Re: Baby Blue is back! |
Rman a crit :
> The port carb was fine, but the the starboard spring was completely
> loose when the arm was pushed fully forward. Confident that I'd
> actually found the problem, I shortened the spring and cowled her up.
> Subsequent test flight verified the fix. Baby Blue has never run so
> smoothly! A new set of springs will be on order tomorrow.
>
> For those who run into a rough running engine, I highly recommend that
> you add checking the springs to your diagnostic toolbox.
Glad to hear you fixed your problem.
How about dispensing with the springs, and replacing the cables with
piano wire ?
That's the way our project is set up, and it works flawlessly.
Best regards,
Gilles
http://contrails.free.fr
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| Subject: | Re: Reamer Needed |
Karl,
Oops, forgot that the reamer is scheduled to go to Glenn Crowder in
Golden, Colorado after we finish here. Don't worry Glenn, I didn't
forget you. You are next on the list after Brian. Karl, I'll
probably have Glenn send it on directly to you after he finishes if
you don't find another in the mean time.
Good building and great flying,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S
http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL
(85%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in,
Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar
in, flap drive in, Mod 70 done. Baggage bay in. Flaps & Main Gear
complete. Mod 72 complete. Working in - 24 Instrument Panel, 25
Electrical, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35 Doors, 37
Finishing. Airmaster arrived 29 Sep 05. Seat arrived from Oregon
Aero. E04 interior kit has arrived and is being installed.
Installing the ROTAX 914, again.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
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| Subject: | Re: Baby Blue is back! |
Hey Jeff
I'm glad you found the problem. It seem's the smallest thngs, create the
largest problems. Sorry I missed "Baby Blue".
Jim Brown
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rman" <topglock@cox.net>
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 6:45 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Baby Blue is back!
>
> As some of you know, Mary and I attended Sun'N Fun without Baby Blue, this
> year. The problem was a power loss and shuddering upon takeoff, at about
> 500 - 700 feet. I made all the checks I could think of: fuel
> flow/pressure, restrictions in the lines/filters, vents, ignition, prop,
> etc. I presented the problem to several at Sun'N Fun and got several good
> suggestions. Basically, we narrowed it down to a carb problem, most
> suggesting that one of the slides may be stuck. Well, I went out to the
> plane, today and checked the slides. No problems there, but, being a bit
> anal, I popped the tops anyway and checked them both out. They both
> looked like new, with no dirt of any kind. A bit disappointed that I
> hadn't found anything obvious, I reassembled the carbs and reattached
> everything. One of my last checks was to test the spring pressure on the
> cables and there it was. The port carb was fine, but the the starboard
> spring was completely loose when the arm was pushed fully forward.
> Confident that I'd actually found the problem, I shortened the spring and
> cowled her up. Subsequent test flight verified the fix. Baby Blue has
> never run so smoothly! A new set of springs will be on order tomorrow.
>
> For those who run into a rough running engine, I highly recommend that you
> add checking the springs to your diagnostic toolbox.
>
> Jeff - Baby Blue
> Happily flying again...
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Baby Blue is back! |
Glad to hear it. Looks like you can put the carb parts you took home on
the shelf for another day. :-)
It was great seeing you and Mary at Sun-N-Fun. Based on the interest at
the show it looks like Europa in America is back. Go for it Bud!!!!
Jeff R.
N128LJ / Gold Rush... Had a blast flying there, being there and flying
back! Even through the smoke!
On Apr 22, 2007, at 5:45 PM, Rman wrote:
>
> As some of you know, Mary and I attended Sun'N Fun without Baby Blue,
> this year. The problem was a power loss and shuddering upon takeoff,
> at about 500 - 700 feet. I made all the checks I could think of:
> fuel flow/pressure, restrictions in the lines/filters, vents,
> ignition, prop, etc. I presented the problem to several at Sun'N Fun
> and got several good suggestions. Basically, we narrowed it down to a
> carb problem, most suggesting that one of the slides may be stuck.
> Well, I went out to the plane, today and checked the slides. No
> problems there, but, being a bit anal, I popped the tops anyway and
> checked them both out. They both looked like new, with no dirt of any
> kind. A bit disappointed that I hadn't found anything obvious, I
> reassembled the carbs and reattached everything. One of my last
> checks was to test the spring pressure on the cables and there it was.
> The port carb was fine, but the the starboard spring was completely
> loose when the arm was pushed fully forward. Confident that I'd
> actually found the problem, I shortened the spring and cowled her up.
> Subsequent test flight verified the fix. Baby Blue has never run so
> smoothly! A new set of springs will be on order tomorrow.
>
> For those who run into a rough running engine, I highly recommend that
> you add checking the springs to your diagnostic toolbox.
>
> Jeff - Baby Blue
> Happily flying again...
>
>
Jeff Roberts
Eagleville Marketing Group / EMG
488 Beasley RD.
Eagleville TN 37060
615-355-7575 Office
615-406-8651 Cell
615-534-1082 Fax
Please note our name & address change.
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| Subject: | Re: Tie Wraps, Airventure, SnF Blog |
irampil(at)notes.cc.sunys wrote:
> 2) Re Airventure. Fred, I don't know when you were last there, but I go every
year. I grew up in NYC and live there now, so I know a million people at a time
when I see them. Osh on a good day does indeed in my in the flesh opinion
has a good 200 - 400 thousand people present.
I've been to OSH a number of years, including recently. Also spent 40+ yrs as
a tax accountant; there's much detail in EAA's IRS tax filings, which are public
record. If EAA's "attendance-day" numbers were accurate, then almost $10 million
in admission charges have annually been embezzled by somebody for many
years. EAA also has periodically published demographic studies of the average
attendee, one done by a local University -- % of attendees who are pilots, aircraft
owners, and EAA members. If their published attendance "estimates" were
accurate, then the majority of pilots and aircraft owners in America go to OSH
every year. Yet the average distance they travel is less than 400 miles.
And over 100% of worldwide EAA membership cannot possibly be on the field on
any given day of the convention.
Fred F.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=108519#108519
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| Subject: | Re: trimmed too much flap flange |
Andrew,
I recommend you combine this fix with fillling the void to make the tip end
"square" (not protruding flanges). See attached sketch,
illustrating how to make up for the too large cut-off at the same time.
I did this on the ailerons (with cut-out for the control rod and bolt at
root end) and the adjoining part of the wing tip. Also the tip end of the
flaps, as well as the tip end of the anti-servo trim planes and the
adjoining part of the horizontal stabilator. This looks much nicer than the
flanges protruding out (IMHO), and adds very little weight.
If the flanges on the other surfaces are already cut to the correct
clearance, cut back a little more to allow for the bid plies, filler and
paint.
Regards,
Svein
LN-SKJ
>
> I trimmed a little too much flange off the tip end of the flap. Now the
> gap between the aileron and flap is about 15mm instead of the
> recommended 3-5mm. I am assuming this is not such a big deal, but would
> like to rebuild the flange anyway to reduce the gap. I was thinking of
> applying a few strip of bid on the old flange, to rebuild it. Any
> thoughts if I am overlooking something?
>
>
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