---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 05/03/07: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:06 AM - Re: Seat Thoughts (Karl Heindl) 2. 08:48 AM - Re: Steorn Orbo free energy motor planning July public demo in London (Rob Housman) 3. 11:45 AM - Europa Widen Shoulder width door mod. (R.C.Harrison) 4. 12:34 PM - Re: Europa Widen Shoulder width door mod. (Richard Scanlan) 5. 12:38 PM - Re: Europa Widen Shoulder width door mod. (NevEyre@aol.com) 6. 12:39 PM - Re: Europa Widen Shoulder width door mod. (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen) 7. 12:55 PM - Voltage Regulator Plug (rlborger) 8. 01:37 PM - Re: Voltage Regulator Plug (Gilles Thesee) 9. 02:54 PM - Re: Seat Thoughts (Duncan & Ami McFadyean) 10. 03:59 PM - Re: Seat Thoughts (Karl Heindl) 11. 04:08 PM - Burn, baby burn ! (Gilles Thesee) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:06:17 AM PST US From: "Karl Heindl" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Seat Thoughts Martin, I had the same problem and solved it with a short term, very low cost, solution, which ended up being a longterm solution: I asked a local upholsterer to make me a large cushion out of memory foam, about 3 inches thick. It was really meant for my passengers, but now I use it all the time myself. I just lay it on top of my sculpted seat, and it feels like I am sitting on a cloud. The pressure points are compressed to nothing, so there is virtually no loss of headroom ( I am 6'2"), and it molds itself around your behind and under your thighs. I can sit there all day without any discomfort. Karl >From: MJKTuck@cs.com >To: europa-list@matronics.com >Subject: Europa-List: Seat Thoughts >Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 21:33:54 EDT > >Hi Folks, > >My own experience of my seats is that when in the seated position for an >hour >or so there is a definite pressure point right on my butt cheeks mainly I >think because my foam seat isn't quite thick enough or is too soft. I end >up >feeling the flat floor of the glassed foam inserts covering the pushrod >tunnel. > >I want to do it again as part of a refurb and think the best thing to use >is >to determine what shape I would need for total (wrap-around) support. Isn't >there some way of sitting on a bag of polystyrene beads and then sucking >all the >air out? I believe race car drivers custom fit their seats somehow this >way. >Anyone know of a kit or something? > >Once you have the basic shape you could get a better idea of what the final >shape ought to be. My guess is that given the posture you end up with in a >Europa there would be a lot more foam in the lumbar area (and below) as >well as >under the legs. > >My 2c worth. > >Regards, >Martin Tuck >Europa N152MT >Wichita, Kansas _________________________________________________________________ Reserve your place in history - Email Britain! http://www.emailbritain.co.uk/ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:48:54 AM PST US From: "Rob Housman" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Steorn Orbo free energy motor planning July public demo in London Ah yes, but if one REALLY does the math, there can be only one conclusion, viz., this can not work as suggested by Steorn because it violates the (universally accepted and so far absolutely inviolate) second law of thermodynamics (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics for details) This law is also commonly recognized as "there is no such thing as a free lunch" in non-scientific circles, and all three laws are succinctly explained in layman's terms as. 1) you can' win 2) you can't break even 3) you can't get out of the game. Perhaps in some parallel universe . . . . Best regards, Rob Housman Irvine, California Europa XS Tri-Gear S/N A070 Airframe complete From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of glenn crowder Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 6:58 PM Subject: Europa-List: Steorn Orbo free energy motor planning July public demo in London An Irish credit card security company Steorn Ltd has planned a July public demo in London of their controversial "Orbo" free energy motor. Their first product is rumored to be a water pump to be used in the third world. This device is claimed to require no energy input or fuel, be linearly scaleable and produce in the area of .5 watt/cc. If one does the math, this translates to 19 hp/cu ft. A version of 5 cu ft would be roughly 95 hp. Might be a nice change from $9/gal dynosaur droppings! http://www.steorn.com/orbo/ Steorn has their own on site forum where believers and bashers can all contribute! Join the fun! http://www.steorn.com/forum/ Glenn _____ Discover the new Wa&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE' target='_new'>Learn more! ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:45:03 AM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: Europa-List: Europa Widen Shoulder width door mod. Hi! All Has anyone done the widen shoulder width mod.to door and sill? Is there a door insert available ? or "splash" I'd be obliged for anyone who has done it to advise a little about it ? what is it like to do and how long would you say to do it./ any pictures. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG Kit 337 just ready to install new 914 Robt.C.Harrison ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:34:47 PM PST US From: "Richard Scanlan" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa Widen Shoulder width door mod. No problem as far as mods go. I have a spare set of splash mouldings for the fuselage, but you need to buy the mouldings for the doors. You can reach me on 07971 171384 and I can post them up to you. Richard Scanlan -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of R.C.Harrison Sent: 03 May 2007 19:44 Subject: Europa-List: Europa Widen Shoulder width door mod. Hi! All Has anyone done the widen shoulder width mod.to door and sill? Is there a door insert available ? or "splash" I'd be obliged for anyone who has done it to advise a little about it ? what is it like to do and how long would you say to do it./ any pictures. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG Kit 337 just ready to install new 914 Robt.C.Harrison ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:38:54 PM PST US From: NevEyre@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Widen Shoulder width door mod. Hi Bob, EO4 do a complete kit,[ new inner door skins, pushrod material and a splash for the sill mod ] not too much of a job. Cheers, Nev. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:39:46 PM PST US From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Widen Shoulder width door mod. I did this mod. during the build stage, and I am very happy that I did. Amazing how much that little extra space means, and the surface your upper arm comes against is wider/flatter then the standard sill. The door inserts I have used, of course, and unfortunately I have thrown away the splash mouldings for the door sill. The door sill modifications are the same work whether you do it at build stage or after (except for removing/replacing interior lining and repainting the affected areas, of course), but the door part would mean some extra work. I would definitely recommend the complete factory mod. set (less the epoxy that comes with it, if you have some left over), which includes the metal parts to be replaced inside the doors. Good protection of the plexi and good support of the doors on your bench should be top concerns in order not to damage the windows. Regards, Svein LN-SKJ ----- Original Message ----- From: R.C.Harrison To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 8:43 PM Subject: Europa-List: Europa Widen Shoulder width door mod. Hi! All Has anyone done the widen shoulder width mod.to door and sill? Is there a door insert available ? or "splash" I'd be obliged for anyone who has done it to advise a little about it ? what is it like to do and how long would you say to do it./ any pictures. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG Kit 337 just ready to install new 914 Robt.C.Harrison ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:55:39 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Voltage Regulator Plug From: rlborger Fellow Europaphiles, I have been wiring the voltage regulator plug and have a question. How do you keep the individual female spade connectors in the plug? Especially the two yellow output lines from the Rotax alternator. There doesn't seem to be any mechanism to hold the connectors in place when the plug is connected to the voltage regulator. TIA. Good building and great flying, Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL (85%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in, Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar in, flap drive in, Mod 70 done. Baggage bay in. Flaps & Main Gear complete. Mod 72 complete. Working in - 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35 Doors, 37 Finishing. Airmaster arrived 29 Sep 05. Seat arrived from Oregon Aero. E04 interior kit has arrived and is being installed. Installing the ROTAX 914, again. 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:37:36 PM PST US From: Gilles Thesee Subject: Re: Europa-List: Voltage Regulator Plug rlborger a crit : > How do you keep the individual female spade connectors in the plug? > Especially the two yellow output lines from the Rotax alternator. > There doesn't seem to be any mechanism to hold the connectors in > place when the plug is connected to the voltage regulator. Bob, Looking closely inside the small spade housings, you'll see that there is a recess for the locking tongue on each spade. No problem keeping the female connectors in place. On the contrary, you'll experience some difficulties fully inserting the plastic plug on the regulator once the spades are in place. Best regards, Gilles http://contrails.free.fr ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:54:54 PM PST US From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Seat Thoughts Martin, Your last three words ("under the legs") is the key to it. By putting support under the legs, weight is taken off the pressure points under the 'butt'. Seats forms moulded intimately from expanding foam are fine for racing cars, where you need to be held firmly against the chassis for relatively short periods. In an aeroplane, there is a need to be able to squirm around abit and shift weight to a more comfortable position on a long flight. A tight fitting seat (despite feeling comfortable initially) prevents this. Duncan McF. ----- Original Message ----- From: MJKTuck@cs.com To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 2:33 AM Subject: Europa-List: Seat Thoughts Hi Folks, My own experience of my seats is that when in the seated position for an hour or so there is a definite pressure point right on my butt cheeks mainly I think because my foam seat isn't quite thick enough or is too soft. I end up feeling the flat floor of the glassed foam inserts covering the pushrod tunnel. I want to do it again as part of a refurb and think the best thing to use is to determine what shape I would need for total (wrap-around) support. Isn't there some way of sitting on a bag of polystyrene beads and then sucking all the air out? I believe race car drivers custom fit their seats somehow this way. Anyone know of a kit or something? Once you have the basic shape you could get a better idea of what the final shape ought to be. My guess is that given the posture you end up with in a Europa there would be a lot more foam in the lumbar area (and below) as well as under the legs. My 2c worth. Regards, Martin Tuck Europa N152MT Wichita, Kansas ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:59:23 PM PST US From: "Karl Heindl" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Seat Thoughts Duncan, I agree with you 100%. A 'hardwired' seat is not a good idea. Also I tried this foam wedge in the lower back that others are talking about. I found it to be irritating as it reduces your seat area. I also like to be able to move around from time to time. Karl >From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" >To: >Subject: Re: Europa-List: Seat Thoughts >Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 22:51:35 +0100 > >Martin, >Your last three words ("under the legs") is the key to it. >By putting support under the legs, weight is taken off the pressure points >under the 'butt'. > >Seats forms moulded intimately from expanding foam are fine for racing >cars, where you need to be held firmly against the chassis for relatively >short periods. In an aeroplane, there is a need to be able to squirm around >abit and shift weight to a more comfortable position on a long flight. A >tight fitting seat (despite feeling comfortable initially) prevents this. > >Duncan McF. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: MJKTuck@cs.com > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 2:33 AM > Subject: Europa-List: Seat Thoughts > > > Hi Folks, > > My own experience of my seats is that when in the seated position for an >hour or so there is a definite pressure point right on my butt cheeks >mainly I think because my foam seat isn't quite thick enough or is too >soft. I end up feeling the flat floor of the glassed foam inserts covering >the pushrod tunnel. > > I want to do it again as part of a refurb and think the best thing to >use is to determine what shape I would need for total (wrap-around) >support. Isn't there some way of sitting on a bag of polystyrene beads and >then sucking all the air out? I believe race car drivers custom fit their >seats somehow this way. Anyone know of a kit or something? > > Once you have the basic shape you could get a better idea of what the >final shape ought to be. My guess is that given the posture you end up with >in a Europa there would be a lot more foam in the lumbar area (and below) >as well as under the legs. > > My 2c worth. > > Regards, > Martin Tuck > Europa N152MT > Wichita, Kansas > > _________________________________________________________________ Txt a lot? Get Messenger FREE on your mobile. https://livemessenger.mobile.uk.msn.com/ ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:08:47 PM PST US From: Gilles Thesee Subject: Europa-List: Burn, baby burn ! Hi all, Rotax drivers may be interested in the flammability tests conducted by Europa builders Ron Parigoris and Wayne Gutschow on engine coolants and fluids. http://contrails.free.fr/engine_burn_baby_burn_en.php Regards, Gilles Thesee Grenoble, France http://contrails.free.fr ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.