---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 05/07/07: 48 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:03 AM - Re: Europa has done it again. (William Mills) 2. 12:11 AM - Re: Thank you, John Lawton. (William Mills) 3. 12:31 AM - Re: Thank you, John Lawton. (Pete Lawless) 4. 01:11 AM - Re: Re: Flap Seals (William Mills) 5. 01:34 AM - Re: Europa Widen Shoulder width door mod. (Duncan & Ami McFadyean) 6. 02:56 AM - Re: Re: Flap Seals (William Daniell) 7. 02:58 AM - Re: surging engine on take-off (William Daniell) 8. 03:23 AM - Re: Tire change (Graham) 9. 04:16 AM - Re: Tire change (Gert Dalgaard) 10. 04:19 AM - Re: Re: Flap Seals (William Harrison) 11. 04:54 AM - TCU/Dongle (Hans J. Danielsen) 12. 06:19 AM - Melting silencer (Karl Heindl) 13. 06:23 AM - Re: TCU/Dongle (Jos Okhuijsen) 14. 06:27 AM - Re: Tire change (Raimo Toivio) 15. 06:37 AM - Re: Tire change (Raimo Toivio) 16. 07:14 AM - Re: Tire change (Raimo Toivio) 17. 08:07 AM - Re: Thank you, John Lawton. (Jeff B) 18. 08:23 AM - Re: Thank you, John Lawton. (Jeff B) 19. 08:32 AM - Re: Thank you, John Lawton. (Pete Lawless) 20. 09:05 AM - Re: Outrigger pivot bearing mod and Wheels (Fred Klein) 21. 10:00 AM - Re: Melting silencer (Terry Seaver (terrys)) 22. 10:24 AM - Thank you, John Lawton (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com) 23. 10:25 AM - Re: Melting silencer (Karl Heindl) 24. 10:30 AM - Monowheel tyre (David.Corbett) 25. 11:36 AM - Re: Tire change (Mike Parkin) 26. 11:38 AM - Re: The child is born! (Jac van Heeswijk) 27. 11:40 AM - Re: TCU/Dongle (Mike Parkin) 28. 11:55 AM - Re: Monowheel tyre (Jerry Rehn) 29. 12:37 PM - Re: Re: Flap Seals (Roger Sheridan) 30. 12:39 PM - Re: Tire change () 31. 12:53 PM - Re: Melting silencer (Duncan & Ami McFadyean) 32. 01:02 PM - Re: Tire change (Duncan & Ami McFadyean) 33. 01:09 PM - Re: TCU/Dongle (Jos Okhuijsen) 34. 01:12 PM - Re: Re: Flap Seals (Duncan & Ami McFadyean) 35. 01:21 PM - Re: TCU/Dongle (Simon Smith) 36. 01:39 PM - [ Justin Kennedy ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares) 37. 02:25 PM - Re: TCU/Dongle (Hans J. Danielsen) 38. 02:32 PM - Re: I'ze back! (Gavin & Anne) 39. 03:17 PM - Re: Re: Flap Seals (Fred Klein) 40. 03:20 PM - Re: Monowheel tyre (Hans Siedsma) 41. 03:47 PM - Re: Melting silencer (Karl Heindl) 42. 05:25 PM - Re: Melting silencer (Graham Singleton) 43. 05:25 PM - Dead weight vs. Flexibility (Fred Klein) 44. 05:59 PM - Re: Melting silencer (Karl Heindl) 45. 06:13 PM - Re: Dead weight vs. Flexibility (Steve Crimm) 46. 06:39 PM - Re: Dead weight vs. Flexibility (Fred Klein) 47. 08:56 PM - Painting metal parts (Andrew Sarangan) 48. 09:19 PM - Re: Painting metal parts (Steve Hagar) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:03:55 AM PST US From: "William Mills" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa has done it again. Jeff, Please don't forget your own skills and the loving tender care you invested in Baby Blue. That must be a big factor in winning all these trophies. Congratulations and best wishes, William ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rman" Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 3:56 PM Subject: Europa-List: Europa has done it again. > > Greetings all, > > This little airplane never ceases to amaze me (and others, apparently). > Mary and I attended a Louisiana Fly-in series event, yesterday and were > surprised and quite pleased when Baby Blue was awarded the "Best of Show" > plaque. It would seem that Europa is continuing to make a mark in the > aviation community. Thanks to Ivan for his design and to John and Roger > for keeping the company viable... > > Jeff - Baby Blue > 284 hours > > > -- > 269.6.4/790 - Release Date: 05/05/2007 10:34 > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:11:19 AM PST US From: "William Mills" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Thank you, John Lawton. Jeff, Why does the tape need to be so wide, or does it just come in 2 1/4" widths? If you get a chance, perhaps you could publish a photo. Best wishes, William ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rman" Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 3:51 PM Subject: Europa-List: Thank you, John Lawton. > > Last year, I had the pleasure of flying into John's airstrip, in Tennessee > and visiting with him and his near finished bird, for a while. In our > conversation, John mentioned how sealing up the aircraft would clean up > the lines, resulting in better speeds. As John said, the glider guys do > it and it works. Well, while I had Baby Blue disassembled and was > cleaning her up for Sun-N-Fun (which she did not make, as she was still > ailing from the weak carb spring incident) I decided to add some gap seals > to the wing, to seal the flaps, upon retraction. What I used was a 2.25" > wide piece of .020" styrene, a product that I use, almost daily in my > sign/graphics business. I attached it to the wing using 1" hem tape (a > very strong, two sided tape, used to hem banners). Once the engine was > restored to normal operating condition, the results were immediate and > astounding. I haven't done a complete test, yet, but the results seems to > have yielded about 4-5 kph at cruise. It has also resulted in more float, > during landing, which I attribute to reduced stall speeds. I say reduced > stall speeds, because, by reducing my final approach from 65 kph to 60 > kph, across the numbers, Baby Blue lands like she used to. I'll be doing > more extensive tests, as the weather settles. However, I am extremely > pleased with the initial results of the simple and inexpensive mod. > Thanks again, John for your suggestion... > > Jeff - Baby Blue > 284 hours > > > -- > 269.6.4/790 - Release Date: 05/05/2007 10:34 > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:31:17 AM PST US From: "Pete Lawless" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Thank you, John Lawton. Jeff Are you talking about landing flap up or flap down? Regards Pete -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Mills Sent: 07 May 2007 08:10 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Thank you, John Lawton. Jeff, Why does the tape need to be so wide, or does it just come in 2 1/4" widths? If you get a chance, perhaps you could publish a photo. Best wishes, William ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rman" Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 3:51 PM Subject: Europa-List: Thank you, John Lawton. > > Last year, I had the pleasure of flying into John's airstrip, in Tennessee > and visiting with him and his near finished bird, for a while. In our > conversation, John mentioned how sealing up the aircraft would clean up > the lines, resulting in better speeds. As John said, the glider guys do > it and it works. Well, while I had Baby Blue disassembled and was > cleaning her up for Sun-N-Fun (which she did not make, as she was still > ailing from the weak carb spring incident) I decided to add some gap seals > to the wing, to seal the flaps, upon retraction. What I used was a 2.25" > wide piece of .020" styrene, a product that I use, almost daily in my > sign/graphics business. I attached it to the wing using 1" hem tape (a > very strong, two sided tape, used to hem banners). Once the engine was > restored to normal operating condition, the results were immediate and > astounding. I haven't done a complete test, yet, but the results seems to > have yielded about 4-5 kph at cruise. It has also resulted in more float, > during landing, which I attribute to reduced stall speeds. I say reduced > stall speeds, because, by reducing my final approach from 65 kph to 60 > kph, across the numbers, Baby Blue lands like she used to. I'll be doing > more extensive tests, as the weather settles. However, I am extremely > pleased with the initial results of the simple and inexpensive mod. > Thanks again, John for your suggestion... > > Jeff - Baby Blue > 284 hours > > > -- > 269.6.4/790 - Release Date: 05/05/2007 10:34 > > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:11:37 AM PST US From: "William Mills" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Flap Seals If anyone in the UK finds a suitable lightweight compressible strip, please let us know the source and the material spec. The ailerons can be sealed by flexible adhesive tape placed over the underside gap along the hinge line with the aileron in the full up position (so as not to restrict any movement). Regards, William ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Krzyzewski" Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 1:44 AM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Flap Seals > >>> > Of course even when the flap is retracted, some air will find its way > up thru the gap between the leading edge of the flap and the vertical > face of the wing closeout, and it is this airflow which one wants to > eliminate in order to enhance cruise efficiency. > > If this is so, it would seem that another way to get this increase in > cruise efficiency might be to install a compressible strip which would > close the gap when flaps are retracted but allow airflow over the flaps > when they are deployed, thus maintaining the short field > characteristics of the aircraft which, if I understand you correctly, > have been changed. << > > Adding compressible strips in the flap closeout was suggested to me some > time ago by a person with many years of aeronautical design experience. > > The key is to close the airflow from lower to upper surface during > cruise but to ensure that the lower to upper airflow over the flap > remains per the design spec when the flaps are down. > > This is quite easy to achieve by adding some light doorstop strip into > the flap closeout and, in many cases, will have already been achieved on > the port side if the pitot/static lines were run in the flap closout as > part of a retrofit. > > Tony > > > -- > 10:34 > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:34:40 AM PST US From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Widen Shoulder width door mod. Gregory, Re. the shoulder width mod., it is not possible to sit that close to the door if you are already sitting as high as possible in the fuselage (as you need to be for good vis.), because the curvature of the door window against your head prevents moving any further outboard. Unless you have broad shoulders and/or a long neck, the mod may not be that relevant. However, many have reported that they are no longer conscious of the door frame contacting the side of the upper arm; but this is not something that I've noticed personally. The point being that the mod may not be for everyone. Duncan McF. ----- Original Message ----- From: "gregoryf.flyboy" Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 7:54 AM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa Widen Shoulder width door mod. > > > Ok, so I will make a guess at this (a few pros and cons, based on the > responses so far)... > > The bubble windows are for tall pilots, and are very easy to install, but > may have a negative affect on the airspeed, due to the way it pokes > outside > the circumference of the aircraft. It would be a good choice for someone, > where speed is not of the essence, and limited time spent on the mod is. > > The door sill mod increases the shoulder space of the Europa (by 1.2"), > requires a bunch of work, but does not affect the cruise speed of the > craft. > > The raised top method increases the height of the fuselage top, again for > tall pilots. It needs to be implemented during the build of the craft, and > will raise the forward upper part of the fuselage, and not the very rear > of > the upper fuselage. It requires a bunch of work, and I must believe that > because of the increase of the frontal forward surface area of the craft > (that the air stream will see), that it will affect the cruise speed by > some > extent. Probably to a much smaller extent than the bubble windows, due to > a > retaining of the original sleek upper fuselage contour of the Europa. > Possibly the effect might be negligible. > > Anyone see something I am grossly missing? > > More importantly, are there any real world results that confirm any of > this > speculation? > > It would be nice to have a more complete grasp of the advantages and > disadvantages for the above modifications. > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:56:57 AM PST US From: "William Daniell" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Flap Seals Hmmm that would have been my question too. My understanding was that the flaps were designed to ensure flow up through the gap. Perhaps someone can shed light on this. Will -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dean Seitz Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 18:48 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Flap Seals The flaps on the Europa are Slotted Flaps. They are designed to let the air go thru the slot from the bottom to the top of the flap. The next step up is the Fowler Flap design. Dean Seitz ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:58:45 AM PST US From: "William Daniell" Subject: RE: Europa-List: surging engine on take-off Remember the AeroPeru 757 that crashed into the ocean because the tape the painted had put over the static ports had not been removed? Will _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Schultz Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 21:00 Subject: RE: Europa-List: surging engine on take-off Ken, This sounds a lot like the problem I had coming back from Oshkosh last year. My problem was surging while in the air and the engine seemed to always work on the ground. My problem was a plugged static pressure sender going to the TCU control circuit. Problems like this can be caused by the airbox or static pressure sensors or a leak in anyone of those little black hoses. I pulled each off house during troubleshooting my problem and used a small syringe to pressure them up in some soapy water to look for pin hole leaks. My problem ended when I pulled the static pressure sensor and found the end block with a rubber cap the painter had put on to keep out the dist and overspray. Just a thought for other places to look for your problem. Rich Schultz N262AE _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ken carpenter Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 7:44 PM Subject: Europa-List: surging engine on take-off Yesterday taking off, the engine surged as the turbo kicked in it went up to 5700 RPM then dropped back into the 4800 range. I tried several runs but aborted the take-off as it continues to surge. Checked the prop governor and it checked out as functioning correctly.; Took the cowl off and the turbo arm seems to cycle correctly when the master turned on and the throttle cycled. Tied the plane down and ran it up to 5700 rpm. It did not surge at all. Any idea? I have not tried to fly it again yet. Ken Carpenter N 9XS 914 Mono at 430 hours TT ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:23:50 AM PST US From: "Graham" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tire change ----- Original Message ----- From: William Harrison To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 5:22 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tire change How does anyone rate tyre inflation/sealing aerosols for emergency get-you-home application? They work quite well on motorcycles but are heavy, and pressurised of course, to carry with you. The tyre sealant available in mastic gun type tubes and injected through the tyre valve hole, after removing the valve, as a permenant measure is very good and cheaper and safer. Available, dare I say it, at John Deere dealers. One tube per tyre on the Europa wheel should be enough. But is it legal as a permenant sealant on our aircraft? I doubt it, but the stuff works very well on trailer tyres and golf cart type tyres with or without innertubes. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:16:10 AM PST US From: Gert Dalgaard Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tire change - I carry one in my AC.... could help me get home to tea one day. /Gert OY-GDS/mono/914 Den 07/05/2007 kl. 12.22 skrev Graham: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: William Harrison > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 5:22 PM > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tire change > > How does anyone rate tyre inflation/sealing aerosols for emergency > get-you-home application? > > They work quite well on motorcycles but are heavy, and pressurised > of course, to carry with you. The tyre sealant available in mastic > gun type tubes and injected through the tyre valve hole, after > removing the valve, as a permenant measure is very good and > cheaper and safer. Available, dare I say it, at John Deere > dealers. One tube per tyre on the Europa wheel should be enough. > But is it legal as a permenant sealant on our aircraft? I doubt > it, but the stuff works very well on trailer tyres and golf cart > type tyres with or without innertubes. > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List_- > ============================================================ _- > forums.matronics.com_- > =========================================================== > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:19:25 AM PST US From: William Harrison Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Flap Seals Presumably, UK aircraft couldn't have this mod without the blessing of the PFA?? On 7 May 2007, at 10:55, William Daniell wrote: > > > Hmmm that would have been my question too. My understanding was > that the > flaps were designed to ensure flow up through the gap. Perhaps > someone can > shed light on this. > Will > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dean > Seitz > Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 18:48 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Flap Seals > > > The flaps on the Europa are Slotted Flaps. They are designed to > let the air > go thru the slot from the bottom to the top of the flap. The next > step up is > the Fowler Flap design. > > > Dean Seitz > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:54:42 AM PST US From: "Hans J. Danielsen" Subject: Europa-List: TCU/Dongle To all with early versions of the 914. I have a few questions to the group regarding setting of throttle positions via the data cable and a decoding unit (dongle). My efforts to get in contact with the TCU has been unsuccessful so far - using two different dongles, two different laptops and good help by a computer expert. One dongle with C/D and a diskett was borrowed from Europa 2004 -another one from our friend Gert in Denmark. Plugs have been checked for loose connections - although the TCU itself remains to be checked (difficult panel removing etc). The TCU works fine though, and engine operations and indications are all normal. In talking to one of the Rotax dealers he shed some light on my problem, in that early versions of the engine (mine is serial#: 4417826) where delivered with separate distributer dongles. It's unclear what the procedure was, but Rotax changed their procedures on later versions of TCU's. To put it short: the dongles fitting these versions are incompatible to the earlier engines/TCU's. The dealer gave me two choices: either get hold of one of these early dongles or change TCU to a later version. On my question to get around the problem altogether, to anchor the aircraft and simply run up the engine the traditional way and set the required positions, he responded: That's your own decision! (Any opinions on this procedure??). Someone out there must have run into the same problem in the past, or have access to one of these "distributer dongles". Then you will understand my predicament. An offer to borrow me your dongle shall not be turned down! I will of course cover postage - or even better: a generous amount of drinks at a future fly-in! The dongle will be returned ASAP after use. Please contact me off list for more details. Cheers, Hans, #334 - ready for CAA inspection. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:19:23 AM PST US From: "Karl Heindl" Subject: Europa-List: Melting silencer The mod 72 has one good side benefit, it gives us the chance for a real close inspection of the back of the engine and underneath. I had to remove the silencer for better access to the firewall and two bottom frame bolts. Here is what I discovered : The bottom of the silencer , starboard side, an oval area of 30x90mm was badly pitted with strong signs of having melted. The aluminum duct directly underneath is similarly affected. I tapped the affected area with a hammer to look for any weakness, but it appears to be still okay. The aluminum is paper thin and needs to be patched. My installation is a standard 912S fwf kit with stainless exhaust system and Singleton firewall. I never experienced any temperatures (according to the EIS) above the permissable ranges. The EGT probes are on the exhaust stubs of cylinders 3 and 4. I never noticed anything unusual. There is no other heat damage. The coolant pipe directly behind it to the radiator shows no sign of anything unusual. My questions are: Has anyone ever experienced or heard of anything like this before ? What could be the possible cause ? What is the melting point of stainless steel ? There is no direct fresh air to the bottom of the engine. Some time ago I had taped off the starboard NACA duct, as it was supposedly designed for the 914. There was no detrimental effect to the engine temperatures. I have now opened up the precut flap in the starboard side of the alu duct, which will divert some fresh air to the silencer. (I believe this flap was also designed for the 914). One very long shot : Could there be any electrical sparking between the two surfaces, acting like a capacitor ? I just don't see how those high temperatures could come from the exhaust gases without also burning the outside of the fuselage etc. I wonder if anyone knows. And any help greatly appreciated. Karl _________________________________________________________________ MSN Hotmail is evolving - check out the new Windows Live Hotmail http://get.live.com/betas/mail_betas ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:23:11 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: TCU/Dongle From: "Jos Okhuijsen" Hi Hans, Don't know about early dongles, imho, the early versions had one dongle, the same one for all serial numbers and versions. But the software is tricky in that respect, that it requires MSdos, something that has dispappered with Win98. I got it working on XP however, by running it from an USB stick. It won't run when installed on a hd under xp. Then, most portables don't have serial ports anymore, forcing you to use a serial-usb adapter. That will produse any port number but never one or two, the only ones that this archaic software will talk to. That forces some manipulating of the Register with regedit, and can better be left to your expert. Let him call me, +358 40 5007853, any time. Kind Regards, Jos Okhuijsen -- workshopcam http://www.okhuijsen.org/plane http://www.europaowners.org/kit600 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:27:37 AM PST US From: "Raimo Toivio" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tire change I had a situation during our maiden flight: the tire was inflated couple of years ago and checked just before take off but after this happy flight we noticed it was almost empty! So, we completed our maiden flight with broken tire! We repaired /inflated it by using aerosol and filled until tire=B4s pressure was 1,5 bar. So far it has been OK. After this experience I am going to carry tire inflation aerosol always with me. I am not sure but think it mades a permanet fixation - not only temporary to get home. So I rates it high! And cheap! And fast! And easy! And clean! Wishes, Raimo ----- Original Message ----- From: William Harrison To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 7:22 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tire change How does anyone rate tyre inflation/sealing aerosols for emergency get-you-home application? On 5 May 2007, at 14:48, Paul McAllister wrote: Hi all. For what its worth I always travel with my jacking block. I have had one incident where my tube blew out on landing at an airport away from my home base. It would have been very difficult to deal with the situation had I not had a jacking block with me. To give you an idea I had 5 hefty guys to help be move my aircraft and it was a major effort to move it the 3 ~ 4 meters required to clear the airstrip. Paul -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Terry Seaver (terrys) Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 5:11 PM To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tire change Hi Jerry, Another option for removing the monowheel wheel is a simple wood jacking block, as seen in the following Europa mods link; http://terryseaver.home.comcast.net/N135TD_mods.htm Look at the section titled; Mono-wheel jacking block regards, Terry Seaver ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Rehn Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 1:49 PM To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: Europa-List: Tire change I am going to change my tire and tube and was looking to recommendation for lifting aircraft to remove tire. I have a hoist-crane that I could lift at the engine or engine mount. Would that cause any issues or too much stress at attach points? Thanks for help Jerry 914 Mono href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com - The Europa-List Email Forum class="Apple-converted-space"> --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - class="Apple-converted-space"> --> http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:37:27 AM PST US From: "Raimo Toivio" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tire change I had a situation during our maiden flight: the tire was inflated couple of years ago and checked just before take off but after this happy flight we noticed it was almost empty! So, we completed our maiden flight with broken tire! We repaired /inflated it by using aerosol and filled until tire=B4s pressure was 1,5 bar. So far it has been OK. After this experience I am going to carry tire inflation aerosol always with me. I am not sure but think it mades a permanet fixation - not only temporary to get home. So I rates it high! And cheap! And fast! And easy! And clean! Wishes, Raimo ----- Original Message ----- From: William Harrison To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 7:22 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tire change How does anyone rate tyre inflation/sealing aerosols for emergency get-you-home application? On 5 May 2007, at 14:48, Paul McAllister wrote: Hi all. For what its worth I always travel with my jacking block. I have had one incident where my tube blew out on landing at an airport away from my home base. It would have been very difficult to deal with the situation had I not had a jacking block with me. To give you an idea I had 5 hefty guys to help be move my aircraft and it was a major effort to move it the 3 ~ 4 meters required to clear the airstrip. Paul -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Terry Seaver (terrys) Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 5:11 PM To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tire change Hi Jerry, Another option for removing the monowheel wheel is a simple wood jacking block, as seen in the following Europa mods link; http://terryseaver.home.comcast.net/N135TD_mods.htm Look at the section titled; Mono-wheel jacking block regards, Terry Seaver ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Rehn Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 1:49 PM To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: Europa-List: Tire change I am going to change my tire and tube and was looking to recommendation for lifting aircraft to remove tire. I have a hoist-crane that I could lift at the engine or engine mount. Would that cause any issues or too much stress at attach points? Thanks for help Jerry 914 Mono href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com - The Europa-List Email Forum class="Apple-converted-space"> --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - class="Apple-converted-space"> --> http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:14:09 AM PST US From: "Raimo Toivio" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tire change I have a new spare can and weighted it: just 261 grams (=0,575 lbs). Raimo ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 1:22 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tire change ----- Original Message ----- From: William Harrison To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 5:22 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tire change How does anyone rate tyre inflation/sealing aerosols for emergency get-you-home application? They work quite well on motorcycles but are heavy, and pressurised of course, to carry with you. The tyre sealant available in mastic gun type tubes and injected through the tyre valve hole, after removing the valve, as a permenant measure is very good and cheaper and safer. Available, dare I say it, at John Deere dealers. One tube per tyre on the Europa wheel should be enough. But is it legal as a permenant sealant on our aircraft? I doubt it, but the stuff works very well on trailer tyres and golf cart type tyres with or without innertubes. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:07:51 AM PST US From: Jeff B Subject: Re: Europa-List: Thank you, John Lawton. Flaps down... Jeff Pete Lawless wrote: > > Jeff > > Are you talking about landing flap up or flap down? > > Regards > > Pete > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Mills > Sent: 07 May 2007 08:10 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Thank you, John Lawton. > > > > Jeff, > Why does the tape need to be so wide, or does it just come in 2 1/4" widths? > > If you get a chance, perhaps you could publish a photo. > Best wishes, > William > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rman" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 3:51 PM > Subject: Europa-List: Thank you, John Lawton. > > > >> >> Last year, I had the pleasure of flying into John's airstrip, in Tennessee >> > > >> and visiting with him and his near finished bird, for a while. In our >> conversation, John mentioned how sealing up the aircraft would clean up >> the lines, resulting in better speeds. As John said, the glider guys do >> it and it works. Well, while I had Baby Blue disassembled and was >> cleaning her up for Sun-N-Fun (which she did not make, as she was still >> ailing from the weak carb spring incident) I decided to add some gap seals >> > > >> to the wing, to seal the flaps, upon retraction. What I used was a 2.25" >> wide piece of .020" styrene, a product that I use, almost daily in my >> sign/graphics business. I attached it to the wing using 1" hem tape (a >> very strong, two sided tape, used to hem banners). Once the engine was >> restored to normal operating condition, the results were immediate and >> astounding. I haven't done a complete test, yet, but the results seems to >> > > >> have yielded about 4-5 kph at cruise. It has also resulted in more float, >> > > >> during landing, which I attribute to reduced stall speeds. I say reduced >> stall speeds, because, by reducing my final approach from 65 kph to 60 >> kph, across the numbers, Baby Blue lands like she used to. I'll be doing >> more extensive tests, as the weather settles. However, I am extremely >> pleased with the initial results of the simple and inexpensive mod. >> Thanks again, John for your suggestion... >> >> Jeff - Baby Blue >> 284 hours >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> 269.6.4/790 - Release Date: 05/05/2007 10:34 >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:23:38 AM PST US From: Jeff B Subject: Re: Europa-List: Thank you, John Lawton. William, 1" of the 2.25"s is used up on the wing, by the attachment tape. The other 1.25"s spans the gap and spills out onto the flap. I'm going to trim the strip, until it affects the flight characteristics and see what happens. I'll report my findings. Jeff William Mills wrote: > > > Jeff, > Why does the tape need to be so wide, or does it just come in 2 1/4" > widths? If you get a chance, perhaps you could publish a photo. > Best wishes, > William > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rman" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 3:51 PM > Subject: Europa-List: Thank you, John Lawton. > > >> >> Last year, I had the pleasure of flying into John's airstrip, in >> Tennessee and visiting with him and his near finished bird, for a >> while. In our conversation, John mentioned how sealing up the >> aircraft would clean up the lines, resulting in better speeds. As >> John said, the glider guys do it and it works. Well, while I had >> Baby Blue disassembled and was cleaning her up for Sun-N-Fun (which >> she did not make, as she was still ailing from the weak carb spring >> incident) I decided to add some gap seals to the wing, to seal the >> flaps, upon retraction. What I used was a 2.25" wide piece of .020" >> styrene, a product that I use, almost daily in my sign/graphics >> business. I attached it to the wing using 1" hem tape (a very >> strong, two sided tape, used to hem banners). Once the engine was >> restored to normal operating condition, the results were immediate >> and astounding. I haven't done a complete test, yet, but the results >> seems to have yielded about 4-5 kph at cruise. It has also resulted >> in more float, during landing, which I attribute to reduced stall >> speeds. I say reduced stall speeds, because, by reducing my final >> approach from 65 kph to 60 kph, across the numbers, Baby Blue lands >> like she used to. I'll be doing more extensive tests, as the weather >> settles. However, I am extremely pleased with the initial results of >> the simple and inexpensive mod. Thanks again, John for your >> suggestion... >> >> Jeff - Baby Blue >> 284 hours >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> 269.6.4/790 - Release Date: 05/05/2007 10:34 >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:32:37 AM PST US From: "Pete Lawless" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Thank you, John Lawton. Jeff That rather suggests that this 'gap seal' does not just block the gap with the flaps up but improves the airflow over the flap though the gap when the flaps are down. Is there a picture of it anywhere? Regards Pete -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff B Sent: 07 May 2007 16:06 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Thank you, John Lawton. Flaps down... Jeff Pete Lawless wrote: Jeff Are you talking about landing flap up or flap down? Regards Pete -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Mills Sent: 07 May 2007 08:10 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Thank you, John Lawton. Jeff, Why does the tape need to be so wide, or does it just come in 2 1/4" widths? If you get a chance, perhaps you could publish a photo. Best wishes, William ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rman" Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 3:51 PM Subject: Europa-List: Thank you, John Lawton. Last year, I had the pleasure of flying into John's airstrip, in Tennessee and visiting with him and his near finished bird, for a while. In our conversation, John mentioned how sealing up the aircraft would clean up the lines, resulting in better speeds. As John said, the glider guys do it and it works. Well, while I had Baby Blue disassembled and was cleaning her up for Sun-N-Fun (which she did not make, as she was still ailing from the weak carb spring incident) I decided to add some gap seals to the wing, to seal the flaps, upon retraction. What I used was a 2.25" wide piece of .020" styrene, a product that I use, almost daily in my sign/graphics business. I attached it to the wing using 1" hem tape (a very strong, two sided tape, used to hem banners). Once the engine was restored to normal operating condition, the results were immediate and astounding. I haven't done a complete test, yet, but the results seems to have yielded about 4-5 kph at cruise. It has also resulted in more float, during landing, which I attribute to reduced stall speeds. I say reduced stall speeds, because, by reducing my final approach from 65 kph to 60 kph, across the numbers, Baby Blue lands like she used to. I'll be doing more extensive tests, as the weather settles. However, I am extremely pleased with the initial results of the simple and inexpensive mod. Thanks again, John for your suggestion... Jeff - Baby Blue 284 hours -- 269.6.4/790 - Release Date: 05/05/2007 10:34 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:05:21 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Outrigger pivot bearing mod and Wheels From: Fred Klein William, Regarding the outrigger wheel you've used...could you check: www.wicksaircraft.com/catalog/product_detail.php/pid52~subid 14/ index.html Is this the wheel you're using? Fred A194 PS: I really enjoyed meeting you, Terry C., and Steve C. at Sun N Fun...thanks so much for coming over...hope the trip was worthwhile! On Sunday, May 6, 2007, at 11:57 PM, William Mills wrote: > Whilst on the outrigger subject, I have found a source of much better > outrigger wheels with proper sealed bearings and shielded hubs. > They are obtained from: MSA Wheels and Castors Ltd, 10 Maclure Road, > Rochdale, Lancs., UK. > The spec is: 170299 EP100 Wheel + 8 mm Bush. The bush was inserted as > a special order for me, to suit the existing outrigger bolt, so please > make reference to the Europa aircraft outrigger wheel. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:00:20 AM PST US Subject: RE: Europa-List: Melting silencer From: "Terry Seaver (terrys)" Hi Karl, We have a 912S powered XS and had problems with very high temperatures under the cowl, near the muffler, hot enough to melt nylon tie wraps (about 450 deg F melting point) and take the temper out of exhaust retaining springs. We spent many months working on getting this under control, doing many test flights with data logging of multiple in-cowl temperatures. What we found was that air would stagnate around the muffler, creating very high localized temperatures. Many things were tried (some similar to what you have tried) until we finally found a solution. We opened up the exit area for the engine compartment, closed off the gills in the top cowl because they were letting cooling air escape without cooling anything, and finally installed a baffle between the foot wells to keep cooling air from just going around the back of the engine without cooling much. These three mods forced the air to go around the cylinders and then around both sides of the muffler. This mod solved our in-cowl temperature problems and lowered our oil temperatures about 20 deg F in the climb. A write up of what we did can be found at; http://terryseaver.home.comcast.net/N135TD_mods.htm Look at the section titled: Engine compartment cooling Regards, Terry Seaver A135/N135TD -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Karl Heindl Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 6:18 AM Subject: Europa-List: Melting silencer The mod 72 has one good side benefit, it gives us the chance for a real close inspection of the back of the engine and underneath. I had to remove the silencer for better access to the firewall and two bottom frame bolts. Here is what I discovered : The bottom of the silencer , starboard side, an oval area of 30x90mm was badly pitted with strong signs of having melted. The aluminum duct directly underneath is similarly affected. I tapped the affected area with a hammer to look for any weakness, but it appears to be still okay. The aluminum is paper thin and needs to be patched. My installation is a standard 912S fwf kit with stainless exhaust system and Singleton firewall. I never experienced any temperatures (according to the EIS) above the permissable ranges. The EGT probes are on the exhaust stubs of cylinders 3 and 4. I never noticed anything unusual. There is no other heat damage. The coolant pipe directly behind it to the radiator shows no sign of anything unusual. My questions are: Has anyone ever experienced or heard of anything like this before ? What could be the possible cause ? What is the melting point of stainless steel ? There is no direct fresh air to the bottom of the engine. Some time ago I had taped off the starboard NACA duct, as it was supposedly designed for the 914. There was no detrimental effect to the engine temperatures. I have now opened up the precut flap in the starboard side of the alu duct, which will divert some fresh air to the silencer. (I believe this flap was also designed for the 914). One very long shot : Could there be any electrical sparking between the two surfaces, acting like a capacitor ? I just don't see how those high temperatures could come from the exhaust gases without also burning the outside of the fuselage etc. I wonder if anyone knows. And any help greatly appreciated. Karl _________________________________________________________________ MSN Hotmail is evolving - check out the new Windows Live Hotmail http://get.live.com/betas/mail_betas ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:24:57 AM PST US From: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com Subject: Europa-List: Thank you, John Lawton In a message dated 5/7/2007 2:59:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, europa-list@matronics.com writes: Thanks again, John for your suggestion... Hey Jeff, No problem. Glad to hear you had good results! Regards, John Lawton Dunlap, TN (TN89) N245E - Flying - Mod 72 complete and back flying PS - Congrats on yet another award! ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 10:25:00 AM PST US From: "Karl Heindl" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Melting silencer Hi Terry, A very interesting comparison. But why doesn't everyone have this problem ? I never noticed high temperatures, and then how can your case reach melting point of stainless steel. And my affected area is very specific with no scorching anywhere else. I still have this theory about an electrical discharge between aluminum duct and engine above. The duct, including radiators, is electrically isolated. I assume that coolant and oil are not very good conductors. Cheers, Karl >From: "Terry Seaver (terrys)" >To: >Subject: RE: Europa-List: Melting silencer >Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 09:58:20 -0700 > > > >Hi Karl, > >We have a 912S powered XS and had problems with very high temperatures >under the cowl, near the muffler, hot enough to melt nylon tie wraps >(about 450 deg F melting point) and take the temper out of exhaust >retaining springs. We spent many months working on getting this under >control, doing many test flights with data logging of multiple in-cowl >temperatures. What we found was that air would stagnate around the >muffler, creating very high localized temperatures. Many things were >tried (some similar to what you have tried) until we finally found a >solution. We opened up the exit area for the engine compartment, closed >off the gills in the top cowl because they were letting cooling air >escape without cooling anything, and finally installed a baffle between >the foot wells to keep cooling air from just going around the back of >the engine without cooling much. These three mods forced the air to go >around the cylinders and then around both sides of the muffler. >This mod solved our in-cowl temperature problems and lowered our oil >temperatures about 20 deg F in the climb. > >A write up of what we did can be found at; > >http://terryseaver.home.comcast.net/N135TD_mods.htm > > >Look at the section titled: Engine compartment cooling > >Regards, >Terry Seaver >A135/N135TD > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Karl Heindl >Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 6:18 AM >To: europa-list@matronics.com >Subject: Europa-List: Melting silencer > > > >The mod 72 has one good side benefit, it gives us the chance for a real >close inspection of the back of the engine and underneath. I had to >remove the silencer for better access to the firewall and two bottom >frame bolts. >Here is what I discovered : >The bottom of the silencer , starboard side, an oval area of 30x90mm was >badly pitted with strong signs of having melted. The aluminum duct >directly underneath is similarly affected. I tapped the affected area >with a hammer to look for any weakness, but it appears to be still okay. >The aluminum is paper thin and needs to be patched. > >My installation is a standard 912S fwf kit with stainless exhaust system >and Singleton firewall. I never experienced any temperatures (according >to the >EIS) above the permissable ranges. The EGT probes are on the exhaust >stubs of cylinders 3 and 4. I never noticed anything unusual. >There is no other heat damage. The coolant pipe directly behind it to >the radiator shows no sign of anything unusual. > >My questions are: > >Has anyone ever experienced or heard of anything like this before ? What >could be the possible cause ? What is the melting point of stainless >steel ? > >There is no direct fresh air to the bottom of the engine. Some time ago >I had taped off the starboard NACA duct, as it was supposedly designed >for the 914. There was no detrimental effect to the engine temperatures. >I have now opened up the precut flap in the starboard side of the alu >duct, which will divert some fresh air to the silencer. (I believe this >flap was also designed for the 914). > >One very long shot : Could there be any electrical sparking between the >two surfaces, acting like a capacitor ? I just don't see how those high >temperatures could come from the exhaust gases without also burning the >outside of the fuselage etc. > >I wonder if anyone knows. And any help greatly appreciated. > >Karl > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN Hotmail is evolving - check out the new Windows Live Hotmail >http://get.live.com/betas/mail_betas > > _________________________________________________________________ Reserve your place in history - Email Britain! http://www.emailbritain.co.uk/ ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:30:56 AM PST US From: "David.Corbett" Subject: Europa-List: Monowheel tyre I have decided that I will renew my monowheel tyre for this season's overseas tours - it is now 6 years and 400 hours old, and I do not want to get caught out at the far eastern end of Europe. The present tyre is a McCready 8.00 x 6, 4 ply - and that is what I ordered from the main UK tyre supplier (via our fixed wing maint unit). What I have been sent is an Air Trac 8.00 x 6, 4 ply; the suppliers accept that I ordered a McCready - but say that this is the same tyre, made by the same company. Can anyone verify this and, more importantly, can anyone confirm that the Air Trac will not be any wider than the McCready between the landing gear frame? Many thanks, David UK 265 - G-BZAM ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 11:36:27 AM PST US From: "Mike Parkin" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tire change While they work admirably, the tyre inflating aerosols have one major drawback - if the experience with my Peugeot 206 is anything to go by. The 206 does not come with a spare tyre, so I used the supplied aerosol to get me home. It worked brilliantly, but when I took the offending item to the tyre place to have it repaired, I was told that after using the aerosol it was impossible to repair. I had to buy a new tyre. Expensive puncture. regards, Mike Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Gert Dalgaard To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 12:14 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tire change - I carry one in my AC.... could help me get home to tea one day. /Gert OY-GDS/mono/914 Den 07/05/2007 kl. 12.22 skrev Graham: ----- Original Message ----- From: William Harrison To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 5:22 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tire change How does anyone rate tyre inflation/sealing aerosols for emergency get-you-home application? ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 11:38:36 AM PST US From: "Jac van Heeswijk" Subject: RE: Europa-List: The child is born! Ik heb een ongelofelijk aantal felicitaties gehad n.a.v. de eerste vlucht van PH-LOB. Dat heeft me nog blijer gemaakt dan ik al was. Het is geweldig om lid te zijn van een grote club, familie, vriendenkring en op deze manier de sympathie van velen te mogen ervaren. Hartelijk dank daarvoor aan iedereen. Sorry dat het een beetje onpersoonlijk moet. Hopelijk zien wij elkaar binnenkort, dan kunnen we het er nog eens over hebben. Op ons gemakkie. Sjaak. I=92ve got an unbelievably number of congratulations on occasion of the maiden flight of PH-LOB. That has made me even more happy than I already was. It=92s fantastic to be a member of a big club, family, friends circle and receiving this way the sympathy of so may people. My very cordial thanks to you for that. Sorry not to be able to personally express thanks to everybody. Hopefully we shortly will meet again and have an extensive chat about everything. At our very ease! Jack Dank je Karel, Hopelijk zullen wij elkaar binnenkort eens ontmoeten ergens op een veld in Belgi=EB of Nederland of omgeving. Eerst maar eens een goede transitietraining doen. Dat is wel nodig voor mij met nog geen 500 uurtjes in het boek. Groeten, Sjaak. _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of karelvranken Sent: maandag 30 april 2007 11:25 Subject: Re: Europa-List: The child is born! Well done Jack and congratulations. Nog vele jaren hemels genot. Karel Vranken. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jac van Heeswijk Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:20 PM Subject: Europa-List: The child is born! After eight years of stumbling down and getting up again, hope and despair, many nights of puzzling and as many of working, lying still for weeks and taking up the thread again, it is finally so far. PH-LOB (nr. 394) took to the air on Wednesday 25 April 2007 in the capable hands of it=92s developer and test-pilot Ivan Shaw. Ivan=92s comment on the first line of the journal: =93All controls and stability good. No wing drop. An excellent flying aircraft.=94 The fun can start now. And I am not just a little proud of that! Jack ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 11:40:35 AM PST US From: "Mike Parkin" Subject: Re: Europa-List: TCU/Dongle I am not sure whether it is the later TCU or the later software, but my setup does not require the dongle, just a standard serial cable. regards, Mike I received my engine in early 2002. Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Hans J. Danielsen To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 12:53 PM Subject: Europa-List: TCU/Dongle To all with early versions of the 914. I have a few questions to the group regarding setting of throttle positions via the data cable and a decoding unit (dongle). My efforts to get in contact with the TCU has been unsuccessful so far - using two different dongles, two different laptops and good help by a computer expert. One dongle with C/D and a diskett was borrowed from Europa 2004 -another one from our friend Gert in Denmark. Plugs have been checked for loose connections - although the TCU itself remains to be checked (difficult panel removing etc). The TCU works fine though, and engine operations and indications are all normal. In talking to one of the Rotax dealers he shed some light on my problem, in that early versions of the engine (mine is serial#: 4417826) where delivered with separate distributer dongles. It's unclear what the procedure was, but Rotax changed their procedures on later versions of TCU's. To put it short: the dongles fitting these versions are incompatible to the earlier engines/TCU's. The dealer gave me two choices: either get hold of one of these early dongles or change TCU to a later version. On my question to get around the problem altogether, to anchor the aircraft and simply run up the engine the traditional way and set the required positions, he responded: That's your own decision! (Any opinions on this procedure??). Someone out there must have run into the same problem in the past, or have access to one of these "distributer dongles". Then you will understand my predicament. An offer to borrow me your dongle shall not be turned down! I will of course cover postage - or even better: a generous amount of drinks at a future fly-in! The dongle will be returned ASAP after use. Please contact me off list for more details. Cheers, Hans, #334 - ready for CAA inspection. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 06/05/2007 21:01 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 11:55:36 AM PST US From: "Jerry Rehn" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Monowheel tyre David I just received my AirTrac which is made by McCreary. Same tire. I am replacing mine for same reason. You should also replace tube at same time. Tubes will stretch and if reused could fold over in new tire and create tear and leak. Not good. I am using the 7.00x6, which gives a little added clearance. Jerry _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David.Corbett Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 10:30 AM Subject: Europa-List: Monowheel tyre I have decided that I will renew my monowheel tyre for this season's overseas tours - it is now 6 years and 400 hours old, and I do not want to get caught out at the far eastern end of Europe. The present tyre is a McCready 8.00 x 6, 4 ply - and that is what I ordered from the main UK tyre supplier (via our fixed wing maint unit). What I have been sent is an Air Trac 8.00 x 6, 4 ply; the suppliers accept that I ordered a McCready - but say that this is the same tyre, made by the same company. Can anyone verify this and, more importantly, can anyone confirm that the Air Trac will not be any wider than the McCready between the landing gear frame? Many thanks, David UK 265 - G-BZAM ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 12:37:37 PM PST US From: Roger Sheridan Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Flap Seals This appears to fit the bill: http://www.lasaero.com/las/30?part=DTD5531-60 10mm very soft silicone P seal which compresses easily to 3mm They sent me a sample but I haven't bought the full length yet. Cheers, Roger On 7 May 2007, at 09:09, William Mills wrote: > > > If anyone in the UK finds a suitable lightweight compressible > strip, please let us know the source and the material spec. > The ailerons can be sealed by flexible adhesive tape placed over > the underside gap along the hinge line with the aileron in the full > up position (so as not to restrict any movement). > Regards, > William > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Krzyzewski" > > To: > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 1:44 AM > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Flap Seals > > >> >> >>>> >> Of course even when the flap is retracted, some air will find its way >> up thru the gap between the leading edge of the flap and the vertical >> face of the wing closeout, and it is this airflow which one wants to >> eliminate in order to enhance cruise efficiency. >> >> If this is so, it would seem that another way to get this increase in >> cruise efficiency might be to install a compressible strip which >> would >> close the gap when flaps are retracted but allow airflow over the >> flaps >> when they are deployed, thus maintaining the short field >> characteristics of the aircraft which, if I understand you correctly, >> have been changed. << >> >> Adding compressible strips in the flap closeout was suggested to >> me some >> time ago by a person with many years of aeronautical design >> experience. >> >> The key is to close the airflow from lower to upper surface during >> cruise but to ensure that the lower to upper airflow over the flap >> remains per the design spec when the flaps are down. >> >> This is quite easy to achieve by adding some light doorstop strip >> into >> the flap closeout and, in many cases, will have already been >> achieved on >> the port side if the pitot/static lines were run in the flap >> closout as >> part of a retrofit. >> >> Tony >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> 10:34 >> > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 12:39:27 PM PST US From: Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tire change For what it's worth, I remember hearing on a Monowheel you can remove starboard wing, starboard stabilator, put seat cushions under the fuse and roll plane on side and lift wheel off ground to fix flat. Never tried yet, but may worthy remembering in a "Pinch". Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 12:53:11 PM PST US From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Melting silencer Was the "heat-stressing" opposite where one of the header pipes goes in to the silencer i.e. where hot gases directly from the end of the header pipe would impinge internally? Duncan McF. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl Heindl" Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 2:17 PM Subject: Europa-List: Melting silencer > > > The mod 72 has one good side benefit, it gives us the chance for a real > close inspection of the back of the engine and underneath. I had to remove > the silencer for better access to the firewall and two bottom frame bolts. > Here is what I discovered : > The bottom of the silencer , starboard side, an oval area of 30x90mm was > badly pitted with strong signs of having melted. The aluminum duct > directly underneath is similarly affected. I tapped the affected area with > a hammer to look for any weakness, but it appears to be still okay. The > aluminum is paper thin and needs to be patched. > > My installation is a standard 912S fwf kit with stainless exhaust system > and Singleton firewall. I never experienced any temperatures (according to > the EIS) above the permissable ranges. The EGT probes are on the exhaust > stubs of cylinders 3 and 4. I never noticed anything unusual. > There is no other heat damage. The coolant pipe directly behind it to the > radiator shows no sign of anything unusual. > > My questions are: > > Has anyone ever experienced or heard of anything like this before ? What > could be the possible cause ? What is the melting point of stainless steel > ? > > There is no direct fresh air to the bottom of the engine. Some time ago I > had taped off the starboard NACA duct, as it was supposedly designed for > the 914. There was no detrimental effect to the engine temperatures. I > have now opened up the precut flap in the starboard side of the alu duct, > which will divert some fresh air to the silencer. (I believe this flap was > also designed for the 914). > > One very long shot : Could there be any electrical sparking between the > two surfaces, acting like a capacitor ? I just don't see how those high > temperatures could come from the exhaust gases without also burning the > outside of the fuselage etc. > > I wonder if anyone knows. And any help greatly appreciated. > > Karl > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Hotmail is evolving - check out the new Windows Live Hotmail > http://get.live.com/betas/mail_betas > > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 01:02:51 PM PST US From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tire change Some tyre fitters charge extra for a (tubeless) tyre change if sealant has been used; they claim it's a mucky job! Duncan McF ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Parkin To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 7:35 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tire change While they work admirably, the tyre inflating aerosols have one major drawback - if the experience with my Peugeot 206 is anything to go by. The 206 does not come with a spare tyre, so I used the supplied aerosol to get me home. It worked brilliantly, but when I took the offending item to the tyre place to have it repaired, I was told that after using the aerosol it was impossible to repair. I had to buy a new tyre. Expensive puncture. regards, Mike Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Gert Dalgaard To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 12:14 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tire change - I carry one in my AC.... could help me get home to tea one day. /Gert OY-GDS/mono/914 Den 07/05/2007 kl. 12.22 skrev Graham: ----- Original Message ----- From: William Harrison To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 5:22 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tire change How does anyone rate tyre inflation/sealing aerosols for emergency get-you-home application? ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 01:09:40 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: TCU/Dongle From: "Jos Okhuijsen" Back again,after having a look at the maintenance manual. It says the dongle is only required for tcu part number 966.470, and is not required for TCU part no 966.741 Did you have a look at the part no on the tcu? There are 3 ! software versions though, TLR43, TLR45 and TLR46. The manual is only talking about 4.3a and 4.6a Hope it helps, If needed i have the programs, but i have no dongle. Regards, Jos Okhuijsen workshopcam http://www.okhuijsen.org/plane http://www.europaowners.org/kit600 ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 01:12:09 PM PST US From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Flap Seals Roger, Could you double-confirm please that the 10mm dimension is the thickness prior to compression, or the width. Duncan McF. do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Sheridan" Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 8:35 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Flap Seals > > > This appears to fit the bill: > > http://www.lasaero.com/las/30?part=DTD5531-60 > > 10mm very soft silicone P seal which compresses easily to 3mm > > They sent me a sample but I haven't bought the full length yet. > > Cheers, > > > Roger > > > On 7 May 2007, at 09:09, William Mills wrote: > >> >> >> If anyone in the UK finds a suitable lightweight compressible strip, >> please let us know the source and the material spec. >> The ailerons can be sealed by flexible adhesive tape placed over the >> underside gap along the hinge line with the aileron in the full up >> position (so as not to restrict any movement). >> Regards, >> William >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Krzyzewski" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 1:44 AM >> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Flap Seals >> >> >>> >>>>> >>> Of course even when the flap is retracted, some air will find its way >>> up thru the gap between the leading edge of the flap and the vertical >>> face of the wing closeout, and it is this airflow which one wants to >>> eliminate in order to enhance cruise efficiency. >>> >>> If this is so, it would seem that another way to get this increase in >>> cruise efficiency might be to install a compressible strip which would >>> close the gap when flaps are retracted but allow airflow over the flaps >>> when they are deployed, thus maintaining the short field >>> characteristics of the aircraft which, if I understand you correctly, >>> have been changed. << >>> >>> Adding compressible strips in the flap closeout was suggested to me >>> some >>> time ago by a person with many years of aeronautical design experience. >>> >>> The key is to close the airflow from lower to upper surface during >>> cruise but to ensure that the lower to upper airflow over the flap >>> remains per the design spec when the flaps are down. >>> >>> This is quite easy to achieve by adding some light doorstop strip into >>> the flap closeout and, in many cases, will have already been achieved >>> on >>> the port side if the pitot/static lines were run in the flap closout as >>> part of a retrofit. >>> >>> Tony >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> 10:34 >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 01:21:46 PM PST US From: "Simon Smith" Subject: RE: Europa-List: TCU/Dongle Dongle or ordinary serial cable depend on the part number of the TCU. The version of the software also depends on the part number of the TCU. If it is any help, our engine is 4417578 and does require the dongle and version 4.5 of the software. Cheers Simon _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Parkin Sent: 07 May 2007 19:40 Subject: Re: Europa-List: TCU/Dongle I am not sure whether it is the later TCU or the later software, but my setup does not require the dongle, just a standard serial cable. regards, Mike I received my engine in early 2002. Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Hans J. Danielsen Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 12:53 PM Subject: Europa-List: TCU/Dongle To all with early versions of the 914. I have a few questions to the group regarding setting of throttle positions via the data cable and a decoding unit (dongle). My efforts to get in contact with the TCU has been unsuccessful so far - using two different dongles, two different laptops and good help by a computer expert. One dongle with C/D and a diskett was borrowed from Europa 2004 -another one from our friend Gert in Denmark. Plugs have been checked for loose connections - although the TCU itself remains to be checked (difficult panel removing etc). The TCU works fine though, and engine operations and indications are all normal. In talking to one of the Rotax dealers he shed some light on my problem, in that early versions of the engine (mine is serial#: 4417826) where delivered with separate distributer dongles. It's unclear what the procedure was, but Rotax changed their procedures on later versions of TCU's. To put it short: the dongles fitting these versions are incompatible to the earlier engines/TCU's. The dealer gave me two choices: either get hold of one of these early dongles or change TCU to a later version. On my question to get around the problem altogether, to anchor the aircraft and simply run up the engine the traditional way and set the required positions, he responded: That's your own decision! (Any opinions on this procedure??). Someone out there must have run into the same problem in the past, or have access to one of these "distributer dongles". Then you will understand my predicament. An offer to borrow me your dongle shall not be turned down! I will of course cover postage - or even better: a generous amount of drinks at a future fly-in! The dongle will be returned ASAP after use. Please contact me off list for more details. Cheers, Hans, #334 - ready for CAA inspection. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com _____ ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 01:39:42 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: [ Justin Kennedy ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! From: Email List Photo Shares A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Justin Kennedy Lists: Europa-List Subject: A way of making comfortable seats for the Europa... http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/justin@systemwise.co.uk.05.07.2007/index.html ---------------------------------------------------------- o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures@matronics.com ---------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 02:25:31 PM PST US From: "Hans J. Danielsen" Subject: Re: Europa-List: TCU/Dongle Hi Jos. Thank you for your advice and findings. The part no of the TCU is way in there on the unit itself. I never did have a look at it. But it's an early version - which should suggest 966.470. Anyway, another Europabuilder has offered his laptop with MS-DOS, which is supposed to be required. Maybe that will solve my problem. Thanks again! Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jos Okhuijsen" Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 10:09 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: TCU/Dongle > > Back again,after having a look at the maintenance manual. > It says the dongle is only required for tcu part number 966.470, and is > not required for TCU part no 966.741 > Did you have a look at the part no on the tcu? > There are 3 ! software versions though, TLR43, TLR45 and TLR46. The manual > is only talking about 4.3a and 4.6a > Hope it helps, > If needed i have the programs, but i have no dongle. > Regards, > > Jos Okhuijsen > > > workshopcam http://www.okhuijsen.org/plane > http://www.europaowners.org/kit600 > > > ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 02:32:52 PM PST US From: "Gavin & Anne" Subject: RE: Europa-List: I'ze back! Welcome back Tony I knew it was only temporary, maybe we will still get to get airborne together. This summer....???? Gavin....#355 -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tony Krzyzewski Sent: Monday, 7 May 2007 9:03 a.m. Subject: Europa-List: I'ze back! After a six month battle to resolve a major stuff up by a US based internet service provider - which resulted in many US locations being unable to send mail to us because they'd redirected the routes for a large chunk of NZ internet addresses via Japan, I am now back on the group email list. Now all I have to do is finish the build! Tony ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 03:17:04 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Flap Seals From: Fred Klein If this seal is suitable, it would appear that it would stop airflow thru flap gap when flaps are both deployed and retracted. Is it then incorrect to believe that air flowing thru the gap w/ flaps deployed is desireable for max. lift? Fred A194 On Monday, May 7, 2007, at 12:35 PM, Roger Sheridan wrote: > > > This appears to fit the bill: > > http://www.lasaero.com/las/30?part=DTD5531-60 > > 10mm very soft silicone P seal which compresses easily to 3mm > > They sent me a sample but I haven't bought the full length yet. > > Cheers, > > > Roger >>> >>> The key is to close the airflow from lower to upper surface during >>> cruise but to ensure that the lower to upper airflow over the flap >>> remains per the design spec when the flaps are down. >>> >>> Tony ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 03:20:55 PM PST US From: "Hans Siedsma" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Monowheel tyre I changed my kit in a tri gear and have available a brand new tyre and inner tube. If you are interested let me know. You can have it free, but only the shipping cost is yuors. Hans Siedsma -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of David.Corbett Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 19:30 To: Europa Forum Subject: Europa-List: Monowheel tyre I have decided that I will renew my monowheel tyre for this season's overseas tours - it is now 6 years and 400 hours old, and I do not want to get caught out at the far eastern end of Europe. The present tyre is a McCready 8.00 x 6, 4 ply - and that is what I ordered from the main UK tyre supplier (via our fixed wing maint unit). What I have been sent is an Air Trac 8.00 x 6, 4 ply; the suppliers accept that I ordered a McCready - but say that this is the same tyre, made by the same company. Can anyone verify this and, more importantly, can anyone confirm that the Air Trac will not be any wider than the McCready between the landing gear frame? Many thanks, David UK 265 - G-BZAM ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 03:47:07 PM PST US From: "Karl Heindl" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Melting silencer No, it was a little forward of that. Think of the temperatures. What is stainless steel melting point ? And if the heat came from the inside, why is not burned right through ? Karl >From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" >To: >Subject: Re: Europa-List: Melting silencer >Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 20:52:44 +0100 > > > >Was the "heat-stressing" opposite where one of the header pipes goes in to >the silencer i.e. where hot gases directly from the end of the header pipe >would impinge internally? > >Duncan McF. >----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl Heindl" >To: >Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 2:17 PM >Subject: Europa-List: Melting silencer > > >> >> >> >>The mod 72 has one good side benefit, it gives us the chance for a real >>close inspection of the back of the engine and underneath. I had to remove >>the silencer for better access to the firewall and two bottom frame bolts. >>Here is what I discovered : >>The bottom of the silencer , starboard side, an oval area of 30x90mm was >>badly pitted with strong signs of having melted. The aluminum duct >>directly underneath is similarly affected. I tapped the affected area with >>a hammer to look for any weakness, but it appears to be still okay. The >>aluminum is paper thin and needs to be patched. >> >>My installation is a standard 912S fwf kit with stainless exhaust system >>and Singleton firewall. I never experienced any temperatures (according to >>the EIS) above the permissable ranges. The EGT probes are on the exhaust >>stubs of cylinders 3 and 4. I never noticed anything unusual. >>There is no other heat damage. The coolant pipe directly behind it to the >>radiator shows no sign of anything unusual. >> >>My questions are: >> >>Has anyone ever experienced or heard of anything like this before ? What >>could be the possible cause ? What is the melting point of stainless steel >>? >> >>There is no direct fresh air to the bottom of the engine. Some time ago I >>had taped off the starboard NACA duct, as it was supposedly designed for >>the 914. There was no detrimental effect to the engine temperatures. I >>have now opened up the precut flap in the starboard side of the alu duct, >>which will divert some fresh air to the silencer. (I believe this flap was >>also designed for the 914). >> >>One very long shot : Could there be any electrical sparking between the >>two surfaces, acting like a capacitor ? I just don't see how those high >>temperatures could come from the exhaust gases without also burning the >>outside of the fuselage etc. >> >>I wonder if anyone knows. And any help greatly appreciated. >> >>Karl >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>MSN Hotmail is evolving - check out the new Windows Live Hotmail >>http://get.live.com/betas/mail_betas >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Hotmail is evolving - check out the new Windows Live Hotmail http://get.live.com/betas/mail_betas ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 05:25:58 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Melting silencer Karl stainless steel melts around 1550 deg C so it's highly unlikely you have melting. Karl Heindl wrote: > > > > The mod 72 has one good side benefit, it gives us the chance for a real > close inspection of the back of the engine and underneath. I had to > remove the silencer for better access to the firewall and two bottom > frame bolts. Here is what I discovered : > The bottom of the silencer , starboard side, an oval area of 30x90mm was > badly pitted with strong signs of having melted. The aluminum duct > directly underneath is similarly affected. I tapped the affected area > with a hammer to look for any weakness, but it appears to be still okay. > The aluminum is paper thin and needs to be patched. > > My installation is a standard 912S fwf kit with stainless exhaust system > and Singleton firewall. I never experienced any temperatures (according > to the EIS) above the permissable ranges. The EGT probes are on the > exhaust stubs of cylinders 3 and 4. I never noticed anything unusual. > There is no other heat damage. The coolant pipe directly behind it to > the radiator shows no sign of anything unusual. > > My questions are: > > Has anyone ever experienced or heard of anything like this before ? What > could be the possible cause ? What is the melting point of stainless > steel ? > > There is no direct fresh air to the bottom of the engine. Some time ago > I had taped off the starboard NACA duct, as it was supposedly designed > for the 914. There was no detrimental effect to the engine temperatures. > I have now opened up the precut flap in the starboard side of the alu > duct, which will divert some fresh air to the silencer. (I believe this > flap was also designed for the 914). > > One very long shot : Could there be any electrical sparking between the > two surfaces, acting like a capacitor ? I just don't see how those high > temperatures could come from the exhaust gases without also burning the > outside of the fuselage etc. > > I wonder if anyone knows. And any help greatly appreciated. > > Karl > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Hotmail is evolving - check out the new Windows Live Hotmail > http://get.live.com/betas/mail_betas > > > > > > -- Graham Singleton Tel: +441629820187 Mob: +447739582005 ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 05:25:58 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Dead weight vs. Flexibility From: Fred Klein Hi All Mono-guys... I have Bob Berube's kit for future conversion which includes hardpoints under the seat/thigh supports. I've weighed the hardware and 3/4" plywood at 7 lb. 2 oz. plus there would be some additional resin and glass...and it's decision time as to whether or not to go ahead and install it. Are there any of you out there who wish you'd added 10# to acft. wgt. in order to have the option of easily converting to conventional landing gear? Comments appreciated, Fred A194 ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 05:59:29 PM PST US From: "Karl Heindl" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Melting silencer Hi Graham, Thank you for that useful bit regarding temperature. I can assure you 100% it is melted droplets of metal, and the aluminum underneath has melted away almost completely. Was I hit by lightning maybe ? I did get into a thunderstorm once. Karl ps: if Europe 04 send me a replacement silencer I will be happy to return mine for inspection. >From: Graham Singleton >To: europa-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Europa-List: Melting silencer >Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 01:25:26 +0100 > > > >Karl >stainless steel melts around 1550 deg C so it's highly unlikely you have >melting. > >Karl Heindl wrote: >> >> >> >>The mod 72 has one good side benefit, it gives us the chance for a real >>close inspection of the back of the engine and underneath. I had to remove >>the silencer for better access to the firewall and two bottom frame bolts. >>Here is what I discovered : >>The bottom of the silencer , starboard side, an oval area of 30x90mm was >>badly pitted with strong signs of having melted. The aluminum duct >>directly underneath is similarly affected. I tapped the affected area with >>a hammer to look for any weakness, but it appears to be still okay. The >>aluminum is paper thin and needs to be patched. >> >>My installation is a standard 912S fwf kit with stainless exhaust system >>and Singleton firewall. I never experienced any temperatures (according to >>the EIS) above the permissable ranges. The EGT probes are on the exhaust >>stubs of cylinders 3 and 4. I never noticed anything unusual. >>There is no other heat damage. The coolant pipe directly behind it to the >>radiator shows no sign of anything unusual. >> >>My questions are: >> >>Has anyone ever experienced or heard of anything like this before ? What >>could be the possible cause ? What is the melting point of stainless steel >>? >> >>There is no direct fresh air to the bottom of the engine. Some time ago I >>had taped off the starboard NACA duct, as it was supposedly designed for >>the 914. There was no detrimental effect to the engine temperatures. I >>have now opened up the precut flap in the starboard side of the alu duct, >>which will divert some fresh air to the silencer. (I believe this flap was >>also designed for the 914). >> >>One very long shot : Could there be any electrical sparking between the >>two surfaces, acting like a capacitor ? I just don't see how those high >>temperatures could come from the exhaust gases without also burning the >>outside of the fuselage etc. >> >>I wonder if anyone knows. And any help greatly appreciated. >> >>Karl >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>MSN Hotmail is evolving - check out the new Windows Live Hotmail >>http://get.live.com/betas/mail_betas >> >> >> >> >> >> > >-- >Graham Singleton > >Tel: +441629820187 >Mob: +447739582005 > > _________________________________________________________________ Reserve your place in history - Email Britain! http://www.emailbritain.co.uk/ ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 06:13:10 PM PST US From: "Steve Crimm" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Dead weight vs. Flexibility Fred, I have the airframe part of the kit already installed, attachment points etc. Do you have the gear assembly etc? Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Klein Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 20:11 Subject: Europa-List: Dead weight vs. Flexibility Hi All Mono-guys... I have Bob Berube's kit for future conversion which includes hardpoints under the seat/thigh supports. I've weighed the hardware and 3/4" plywood at 7 lb. 2 oz. plus there would be some additional resin and glass...and it's decision time as to whether or not to go ahead and install it. Are there any of you out there who wish you'd added 10# to acft. wgt. in order to have the option of easily converting to conventional landing gear? Comments appreciated, Fred A194 ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 06:39:25 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Dead weight vs. Flexibility From: Fred Klein Steve...I probably purchased (about a year ago) just what you've installed; at the time, Bob was not selling the complete package citing difficulties in ordering individual gear legs. As I recall, he had been quoting about $4500 USD for the complete set up but not including wheel pants which, I believe are the ones he originally made up which have been adopted by Europa for the tri-gear...an expense which I'd just as soon avoid at present. Fred A194 On Monday, May 7, 2007, at 06:11 PM, Steve Crimm wrote: > > > Fred, > > I have the airframe part of the kit already installed, attachment > points > etc. Do you have the gear assembly etc? > > Steve > ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 08:56:09 PM PST US From: Andrew Sarangan Subject: Europa-List: Painting metal parts I know nothing about painting, except for routine touchups I have done around the house. Now I have to decide how to paint Europa's external metal parts such as flap arms. All my metal parts have been treated with alodine and sprayed with zinc chromate. I am assuming that no further primer is needed before top coat. But what kind of top coat should I use? Can I use the garden variety Krylon brand spray paint from the hardware store? Any special considerations? Any insights would be greatly appreciated. ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 09:19:14 PM PST US From: "Steve Hagar" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Painting metal parts Why not go with powder coating it is more durable than paint and looks good too. Everything metal part I could fit in my oven got powder coated. Steve Hagar a143 Mesa AZ Just finished mod 72 > [Original Message] > From: Andrew Sarangan > To: > Date: 5/7/2007 8:59:38 PM > Subject: Europa-List: Painting metal parts > > > > I know nothing about painting, except for routine touchups I have done > around the house. Now I have to decide how to paint Europa's external > metal parts such as flap arms. All my metal parts have been treated > with alodine and sprayed with zinc chromate. I am assuming that no > further primer is needed before top coat. But what kind of top coat > should I use? Can I use the garden variety Krylon brand spray paint > from the hardware store? 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