---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 05/20/07: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:12 AM - Woodcomp propeller controls (Fergus Kyle) 2. 10:03 AM - Re: TV crew came into my Europa workshop (Steve Hagar) 3. 12:45 PM - Re: Woodcomp propeller controls (josok) 4. 01:06 PM - Re: W18 plate alignment problem (Fred Klein) 5. 01:17 PM - Re: TV crew came into my Europa workshop (Alan Burrows) 6. 03:21 PM - Outrigger legs (Andrew Sarangan) 7. 11:35 PM - Re: TV crew came into my Europa workshop (gregoryf.flyboy) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:12:20 AM PST US From: "Fergus Kyle" Subject: Europa-List: Woodcomp propeller controls William/Jos: I have discovered (not for the first time - but again...) that being familiar with operating these types of device is far from installing them! I appreciate the chat regarding their relative positions - something which will get more thought after your messages. Where would you put the 'reverse/unreverse'? - near the throttle or up the instrument board? - I was hoping to provide the light indicating full reverse at the top of the panel near the line of sight ahead so as to react more quickly to reverse being ready. I thought to join 'reverse ready', 'oil pressure drop', 'angle-of-attack' led and 'over/under-volt' and 'fuel pressure drop'lamps up high for more conspicuous notice and reaction. Thoughts? Cheers, Ferg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:03:21 AM PST US From: "Steve Hagar" Subject: RE: Europa-List: TV crew came into my Europa workshop Yes; Typically they come back, only when there is an incident or accident. A homebuilt crashed here once several years back. A newspaper crew came by to interview a homebuilder (me) and take some photos of my project in the garage. I gave them a good deal of information about building and technique and effort. However when the story came out in the paper you would have thought they interviewed someone else. It had the slant that I was a taking my life in my own hands as a risk taker doing such a thing. The media dives into things with their stories to grab people's attention rather than to depict the true but sometimes mundane realities of what is actually the case. Steve Hagar A143 Mesa, AZ > [Original Message] > From: gregoryf.flyboy > To: > Date: 5/19/2007 4:32:13 PM > Subject: RE: Europa-List: TV crew came into my Europa workshop > > > Wow, that's too bad about the 3 three deaths involved. I can't quite tell > what the last transmission was. Can anyone tell, or have more info, other > than what is on the FAA report? > > Nice job, Andrew. Maybe they'll be back, when they need a report about > experimental aircraft. > > Greg Fuchs A050 > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Sarangan > Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 12:48 PM > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: TV crew came into my Europa workshop > > > > The local TV station wanted to do an interview in my Europa workshop. > The interview was not about the Europa, but actually about a mid-air > crash that occured at a nearby airport. I happened to have the only > audio recording of the aircraft communications. But they did show my > Europa kit for s good 5 seconds. Here it is: > > http://www.wlwt.com/video/13350160/index.html?source > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:45:41 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Woodcomp propeller controls From: "josok" Hi Ferg, The rev/unrev with blocking flap sits next to the cs controller. Thats in the lower part of the avionics panel. There are some pictures at http://www.europaowners.org/kit600 : instrument panel. I do not have have rev indicator light. Regards, Jos Okhuijsen Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:06:35 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: W18 plate alignment problem From: Fred Klein On Saturday, May 19, 2007, at 11:21 AM, Andrew Sarangan wrote: > > outboard double-W18 plates in the wing... > The plates are not perfectly parallel; the leading edge of the W18's > are fine, but the trailing edge is 1-2mm wider than necessary. Andrew, In case you have yet to determine how to address this, IMHO any reasonable solution should be focused on not generating bending stresses on any of the components (including the portion of W18 embedded in the wing) when the bolts are tightened. It would also be worthwhile to determine as best you can that the misalignment did not result in air bubbles within the W18 embedment and rib reinforcement. I suspect we all have those occasions when we get to look at our personal standards; as I used to tell my staff, "we can only strive for perfection". Fred ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:17:41 PM PST US From: "Alan Burrows" Subject: RE: Europa-List: TV crew came into my Europa workshop Hi Steve You sound surprised that the press could possible put any kind of sensationalist slant on the truth rather than tell it as it is :-) Alan -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Hagar Sent: 21 May 2007 18:08 Subject: RE: Europa-List: TV crew came into my Europa workshop Yes; Typically they come back, only when there is an incident or accident. A homebuilt crashed here once several years back. A newspaper crew came by to interview a homebuilder (me) and take some photos of my project in the garage. I gave them a good deal of information about building and technique and effort. However when the story came out in the paper you would have thought they interviewed someone else. It had the slant that I was a taking my life in my own hands as a risk taker doing such a thing. The media dives into things with their stories to grab people's attention rather than to depict the true but sometimes mundane realities of what is actually the case. Steve Hagar A143 Mesa, AZ > [Original Message] > From: gregoryf.flyboy > To: > Date: 5/19/2007 4:32:13 PM > Subject: RE: Europa-List: TV crew came into my Europa workshop > > > Wow, that's too bad about the 3 three deaths involved. I can't quite tell > what the last transmission was. Can anyone tell, or have more info, other > than what is on the FAA report? > > Nice job, Andrew. Maybe they'll be back, when they need a report about > experimental aircraft. > > Greg Fuchs A050 > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Sarangan > Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 12:48 PM > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: TV crew came into my Europa workshop > > > > The local TV station wanted to do an interview in my Europa workshop. > The interview was not about the Europa, but actually about a mid-air > crash that occured at a nearby airport. I happened to have the only > audio recording of the aircraft communications. But they did show my > Europa kit for s good 5 seconds. Here it is: > > http://www.wlwt.com/video/13350160/index.html?source > > -- 17:18 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:21:45 PM PST US From: Andrew Sarangan Subject: Europa-List: Outrigger legs I also noticed that the nylon legs are preventing my flaps from fully retracting. The upper limit of the flap movement seems to be limited by the nylon legs coming in contact with the FL3 plate, and this is slightly short of the condition required to get the flap and aileron perfectly aligned. Anyone else notice this? One thought was to locally shave the nylon legs where the FL3 is coming in contact. All I would need is another 3mm of travel at the FL3, which would translate into something larger at the trailing edge of the flap. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:35:31 PM PST US From: "gregoryf.flyboy" Subject: RE: Europa-List: TV crew came into my Europa workshop Haha, of course this isn't what I meant. It's a great point to hearken to though, when the reporters come knocking. I have heard of the story-twisting reports SO many times. Unfortunately, in an accident, they are usually looking to find information on a negative tint. If airplanes were unsafe, and aircraft accidents happened every day, they really would be mundane, and the accident would be just what it is -an accident (like car accidents). They would not get the (law and procedure-changing)reporting or near the attention in the paper. Its kind of ironic that the safer they are, the more unrealistically negative reporting they get. We may have to come up with something that is sensational enough to stir attention, but doesn't have a negative accident to go with it. Then we could get an interview that would put up the experimental aircraft, as they should be. It's a tough one... Fly a tough rescue mission to help someone stranded, preferably a politician or actor? Non-profit Flights for food donations for the needy? Offer up free flights for reporters, maybe? Greg Fuchs A050 .......... Yes; Typically they come back, only when there is an incident or accident. A homebuilt crashed here once several years back. A newspaper crew came by to interview a homebuilder (me) and take some photos of my project in the garage. I gave them a good deal of information about building and technique and effort. However when the story came out in the paper you would have thought they interviewed someone else. It had the slant that I was a taking my life in my own hands as a risk taker doing such a thing. The media dives into things with their stories to grab people's attention rather than to depict the true but sometimes mundane realities of what is actually the case. 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