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1. 12:27 AM - William and Paul (Steve Pitt)
2. 01:22 AM - Re: South Wales Fatal Europa Crash (Gilles Thesee)
3. 04:38 AM - 6 Nations (David Joyce)
4. 06:46 AM - Siuth Wales Fatal Europa Crash (Justin Kennedy)
5. 07:36 AM - Re: William and Paul (db)
6. 07:44 AM - Re: William and Paul (Trevpond@aol.com)
7. 10:39 AM - Re: William and Paul (Andrew Sarangan)
8. 11:05 AM - FW: mod no. 11698 Springs to replace bungy. (R.C.Harrison)
9. 11:07 AM - Tragic loss (Niels Kock)
10. 11:22 AM - Re: BBC E-mail: Inquiry as two die in air crash (joseph brannen)
11. 12:12 PM - Re: Wiiliam/6 Nations (Bryan Allsop)
12. 01:07 PM - FW: europa crash (db)
13. 02:06 PM - Re: FW: europa crash (Jeremy Davey)
14. 02:39 PM - Re: FW: europa crash (Graham Singleton)
15. 04:19 PM - Re: FW: europa crash (Rman)
16. 05:05 PM - Re: FW: europa crash (Steve Crimm)
17. 11:48 PM - Emailing: William Mills G-HOFC Swiss Trip 2005 High Res Adjusted (R.C.Harrison)
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| Subject: | William and Paul |
It is a sad day when any aeroplane crashes but it is even sadder when the
crash takes away two good friends and lovely people from their families and
the Europa fraternity.
I cannot believe that William and Paul are no longer with us and that we
will not see William at Sun'n'Fun or on DOTHS again.
My thoughts and sympathies go out to their families and all who had come
into contact with two nice gentlemen.
Steve Pitt
G-SMDH
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| Subject: | Re: South Wales Fatal Europa Crash |
Sorry to hear about the loss of two homebuilder fellows.
Our sympathies go out to their families and friends.
Regards,
--
Gilles
http://contrails.free.fr
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William Mills was due to lead the 6 Nations tour starting on 25 June. I am
fairly clear in my own mind that William would want it to continue in spite
of his tragic and devastating loss. I appreciate that not everyone will
necessarily agree. I am happy to take over the organisation, but have not
got any list of those who were thinking of joining the trip. I would be very
grateful to hear off list or by phone (01454 260542) from anyone who was or
is thinking of joining, with your views as to whether the trip should go on.
I am sending this sooner rather than later because of the potential need to
organise permission for flying in some of the countries likely to be
visited. I am off the phone from tomorrow morning until Sunday10 June but
hope to be able to pick up my emails meanwhile.
Regards, David Joyce
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| Subject: | Siuth Wales Fatal Europa Crash |
What a tragedy.
William Mills was a kind man who was generous with his time to help
other Europa builders both build and enjoy their aircraft.
I only got to know William in the last year, what a lovely man. He was
so enthusiastic about the Europa and lived to fly and improve his own
G-HOFC.
He was hugely experieced light aircraft pilot having spent many years in
gliding. I can't imagine what went wrong and it is imperative that we
find out.
A week ago William and I spent the Wednesday and Thursday together
taking splash mouldings of my wing roots so that Neville could make them
up for him and anyone who wanted them. We worked late on Wednesday night
and he spent the night at our house in Edinburgh. He returned to Wales
on the Thursday afternoon. We exchanged phone calls on this subject all
last week.
Both Fiona and I are stunned at the news. Our sympathy goes out to Diana
and all those effected by this sad event.
Justin & Fiona Kennedy
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| Subject: | William and Paul |
After being lucky enough to call them both friends for several years, I
can't believe they have both now gone. William was a character and very
experienced, Paul has been my pax on many occasions, and both were always
good fun at whatever destinations we reached, by plane or car.
I spoke to Paul on Tuesday evening about - of course - Europa's. My
sympathy goes to their families and friends who have lost friendly,
strong-willed men who were the very essence of the Europa Club.
Dave Bosomworth
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| Subject: | Re: William and Paul |
I can only echo the comments made on this site regarding William and Paul
who I met at DOTH's here and there. They will both be sadly missed and the
world will be a sadder place for their loss and I will miss talking to William
in particular, one of lifes Gentlemen.
Trev Pond
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| Subject: | Re: William and Paul |
Very sad. Although I did not know them personally, I have greatly
benefited from their discussions on this email list. They will be
missed. I hope the UK folks will keep us posted on the accident
investigation.
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| Subject: | FW: mod no. 11698 Springs to replace bungy. |
Hi! ALL
Does anyone know the whereabouts of Ian Rickard? I've messaged him
twice now and no reply.
As you can see below there is some confusion over the direction of the
nose wheel suspension spring top hooks ..from forward or from aft.?
The drawing on the mod. indicates one way and photos I've seen shows the
otherway?
It is infinitely more suited for them to be inserted top hooks from aft
they sit better and in the event of needing them off .ever.the job would
be easier unless you used a
"hot spanner"!
Robt.C.Harrison
-----Original Message-----
From: R.C.Harrison [mailto:ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: 30 May 2007 13:04
Cc: Roger CULLUM (rsc-93@hotmail.co.uk)
Subject: RE: mod no. 11698 Springs to replace bungy.
Hi! Ian
I'm thinking you didn't get my last reply to your original message(copy
below) about spring directions dated 21st I basically thanked you for
your kind reply below but.. no offence intended ...it has confused me
more. In fact the drawing is clearly fitting them from the front and it
isn't possible to see which way from the actual pictures which I have.
Would you please :- a) advise if it is now acceptable to apply the top
hook of the springs from the aft direction with "handed springs"?
b) advise if anyone has formulated a
plan for simple removal in any future event ? (other than driving wedges
into each coil)
regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
PS On a completely un related subject re:- your message just on the
Matronics site about your sled for rear access to the empennage ..I
would be concerned that the two rear legs at 1".1.5" section would crush
the inner skin of the floor, if it has proved OK for you a heavy builder
may need to check underneath outside? Perhaps a spreader foot on the
bottom of the legs would alleviate this liklyhood.? I say this because
I have noticed some minor damage on G-PTAG from my elbow resting when
re-fuelling.
Message dated 21st in reply to yours below:-
Hi! Ian
Thanks for the reply ..No offence but I'm now totally confused as to
what is a) correct b) acceptable for the handed springs to be fitted top
hook from the aft.?
Roger Cullum has faxed me a drawing clearly showing handed springs but
top hook attached from the forward side
Please define if it is acceptable attaching them from the aft position?
They are actually drawn as top hooks applied from forward looking aft.
Unfortunately I can't see from the faxed copy I have as to which way
they are fitted.
Regards
Bob H G-PTAG
-----Original Message-----
From: G-IANI [mailto:g-iani@ntlworld.com]
Sent: 18 May 2007 09:35
Subject: RE: mod no. 11698 Springs to replace bungy.
Bob
You are right and in fact that is the way they are drawn in the
documentation BUT the picture is wrong. The picture was of the
developements springs before we made them "handed". Thanks for the
reminder. I will get back on to Roger about getting it corrected on the
web-site.
Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear
Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear)
e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com
-----Original Message-----
From: R.C.Harrison [mailto:ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: 17 May 2007 21:43
Subject: mod no. 11698 Springs to replace bungy.
Hi! Ian
I'm in the middle of fitting my springs and they will fit much easier
and tidier with the top hooks fitted from the aft of the aircraft and
for removal at anytime in the future they will be infinitely easier
removed from this location. I can't see any reason for this being
unsound can you?
Regards
Bob H G-PTAG
Robt.C.Harrison
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It is with sincere sadness that Kirsten and I read about the deaths of Will
iam and Paul.
We met William a couple of years ago when he, Dave B. and Graham spent a de
lightful
evening at our home. We were impressed by William's extensive knowledge, a
nd enjoyed
his gentlemanly nature like so many fellow-'europeans'. We feel privileged
to have known
him, and extend our deepest sympathy to Williams and Paul's families.
Kirsten and Niels Kock
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| Subject: | Re: BBC E-mail: Inquiry as two die in air crash |
Is there information on the weather activity at the
time of the crash?
jp
N914xs
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| Subject: | Re: Wiiliam/6 Nations |
David,
The loss of William has had a profound effect in our household. We are
deeply shocked that such a lovely guy could leave our lives so suddenly. I
am sure that those of us who have spent so many days in his company on
Europa trips, and doths, can only feel the same.
It is beyond my comprehension what awful circumstances could have
overwhelmed Williams vast experience.
Whilst I have no appetite for the 6 Nations trip, I would be prepared to
take on William's 'Last of the Summer Wine' in his memory, if that helps.
I would also like to organise a special memorial doth at some time in the
future for us dothers to express our respects for both William and Paul who
have supported these events so many times in the past. Regrettably I cannot
do that until July, but maybe would not be a bad thing.
Regards. Bryan
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 12:36 PM
Subject: Europa-List: 6 Nations
> <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
> William Mills was due to lead the 6 Nations tour starting on 25 June. I am
> fairly clear in my own mind that William would want it to continue in
> spite
> of his tragic and devastating loss. I appreciate that not everyone will
> necessarily agree. I am happy to take over the organisation, but have not
> got any list of those who were thinking of joining the trip. I would be
> very
> grateful to hear off list or by phone (01454 260542) from anyone who was
> or
> is thinking of joining, with your views as to whether the trip should go
> on.
> I am sending this sooner rather than later because of the potential need
> to
> organise permission for flying in some of the countries likely to be
> visited. I am off the phone from tomorrow morning until Sunday10 June but
> hope to be able to pick up my emails meanwhile.
> Regards, David Joyce
>
>
>
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| Subject: | FW: europa crash |
For info everyone on the list.
Thanks,
dave
-----Original Message-----
Subject: RE: europa crash
Dear Mr Lane,
I am sure by now that you have seen enough responses on the email forum to
William and Paul's deaths to understand just how friendly the two were, and
the regard we all held for their friendship.
I enclose a photograph of the two of them, taken at Barkaby, Stockholm, in
summer 2004 when we flew together up to northern Finland in our Europa
aircraft.
I do not think I can add any more at the moment - you will also find my
email on the list this afternoon - they will be sadly missed by a lot of
friends and our thoughts and condolences go to their families.
All the best,
David Bosomworth
Ps. I will copy this reply to the email list so that others you may have
contacted can see that you have received a reply, I know that David Joyce
has sent some pictures too.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 12:47 PM
Subject: europa crash
> Dear Mr Joyce,
>
> I am a journalist with the South Wales Argus newspaper and I noticed you
had posted a message on the Europa Club's forum regarding the deaths of
William Mills and Paul Sweeting.
> We are putting together a tribute piece for them and wondered if you would
like to add anything, or whether you had a suitable photograph of either, or
both of them, that you might like us to use.
> I am contactable on 07949 030036 or 01873 880556, or by emailing me back
at this address.
> Many thanks,
>
> Oliver Lane
> Deputy news editor
> South Wales Argus
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| Subject: | FW: europa crash |
Dave,
Thank-you for sharing this picture with us all: it shows William and Paul at
their convivial bests. Two thoroughly nice, helpful, decent friends have
been taken from us, and I'm sure everyone is as shocked as Liza and I.
Having got back to my computer today after a weekend away, I'm touched by
the depth of affection expressed on this list and elsewhere. I have even had
an email from Garsh - our guide for the Colditz break-ins - expressing his
sadness: he met William on the recent break-in and liked him enormously.
Paul and William's families are in all our thoughts at this time.
Regards to all,
Jeremy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of db
Sent: 03 June 2007 21:07
Subject: Europa-List: FW: europa crash
For info everyone on the list.
Thanks,
dave
-----Original Message-----
Subject: RE: europa crash
Dear Mr Lane,
I am sure by now that you have seen enough responses on the email forum to
William and Paul's deaths to understand just how friendly the two were, and
the regard we all held for their friendship.
I enclose a photograph of the two of them, taken at Barkaby, Stockholm, in
summer 2004 when we flew together up to northern Finland in our Europa
aircraft.
I do not think I can add any more at the moment - you will also find my
email on the list this afternoon - they will be sadly missed by a lot of
friends and our thoughts and condolences go to their families.
All the best,
David Bosomworth
Ps. I will copy this reply to the email list so that others you may have
contacted can see that you have received a reply, I know that David Joyce
has sent some pictures too.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 12:47 PM
Subject: europa crash
> Dear Mr Joyce,
>
> I am a journalist with the South Wales Argus newspaper and I noticed you
had posted a message on the Europa Club's forum regarding the deaths of
William Mills and Paul Sweeting.
> We are putting together a tribute piece for them and wondered if you would
like to add anything, or whether you had a suitable photograph of either, or
both of them, that you might like us to use.
> I am contactable on 07949 030036 or 01873 880556, or by emailing me back
at this address.
> Many thanks,
>
> Oliver Lane
> Deputy news editor
> South Wales Argus
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| Subject: | Re: FW: europa crash |
Dave
may I add a couple of pictures I have from the same trip, taken on the
Barkaby to Ivalo leg. This is how I will remember them, living the dream
Graham
db wrote:
> For info everyone on the list.
> Thanks,
> dave
>
> -----Original Message-----
> To: ollielane@hotmail.com
> Subject: RE: europa crash
>
> Dear Mr Lane,
>
> I am sure by now that you have seen enough responses on the email forum to
> William and Paul's deaths to understand just how friendly the two were, and
> the regard we all held for their friendship.
>
> I enclose a photograph of the two of them, taken at Barkaby, Stockholm, in
> summer 2004 when we flew together up to northern Finland in our Europa
> aircraft.
>
> I do not think I can add any more at the moment - you will also find my
> email on the list this afternoon - they will be sadly missed by a lot of
> friends and our thoughts and condolences go to their families.
>
> All the best,
> David Bosomworth
>
>
> Ps. I will copy this reply to the email list so that others you may have
> contacted can see that you have received a reply, I know that David Joyce
> has sent some pictures too.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 12:47 PM
> Subject: europa crash
>
>
>
>>Dear Mr Joyce,
>>
>>I am a journalist with the South Wales Argus newspaper and I noticed you
>
> had posted a message on the Europa Club's forum regarding the deaths of
> William Mills and Paul Sweeting.
>
>>We are putting together a tribute piece for them and wondered if you would
>
> like to add anything, or whether you had a suitable photograph of either, or
> both of them, that you might like us to use.
>
>>I am contactable on 07949 030036 or 01873 880556, or by emailing me back
>
> at this address.
>
>>Many thanks,
>>
>>Oliver Lane
>>Deputy news editor
>>South Wales Argus
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
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| Subject: | Re: FW: europa crash |
David and all,
I got the same note from Oliver Lane and sent him the attached photo of
William and I, at Epcot, this past April, along with a short note. Mary
and I are still in shock...
Jeff - Baby Blue
db wrote:
> For info everyone on the list.
> Thanks,
> dave
>
> -----Original Message-----
> To: ollielane@hotmail.com
> Subject: RE: europa crash
>
> Dear Mr Lane,
>
> I am sure by now that you have seen enough responses on the email forum to
> William and Paul's deaths to understand just how friendly the two were, and
> the regard we all held for their friendship.
>
> I enclose a photograph of the two of them, taken at Barkaby, Stockholm, in
> summer 2004 when we flew together up to northern Finland in our Europa
> aircraft.
>
> I do not think I can add any more at the moment - you will also find my
> email on the list this afternoon - they will be sadly missed by a lot of
> friends and our thoughts and condolences go to their families.
>
> All the best,
> David Bosomworth
>
>
> Ps. I will copy this reply to the email list so that others you may have
> contacted can see that you have received a reply, I know that David Joyce
> has sent some pictures too.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 12:47 PM
> Subject: europa crash
>
>
>
>> Dear Mr Joyce,
>>
>> I am a journalist with the South Wales Argus newspaper and I noticed you
>>
> had posted a message on the Europa Club's forum regarding the deaths of
> William Mills and Paul Sweeting.
>
>> We are putting together a tribute piece for them and wondered if you would
>>
> like to add anything, or whether you had a suitable photograph of either, or
> both of them, that you might like us to use.
>
>> I am contactable on 07949 030036 or 01873 880556, or by emailing me back
>>
> at this address.
>
>> Many thanks,
>>
>> Oliver Lane
>> Deputy news editor
>> South Wales Argus
>>
>>
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| Subject: | FW: europa crash |
Bobbi and I are saddened by the loss of two of our own. While we hadn't met
Paul, this past Sun N Fun we sat for several hours and chatted as the air
show was overhead with William and John Wheeler about Europa's, politics
both European and American and life in general. It was a great time had by
all. William and Paul will be missed.
Bobbi and Steve
Below are two links to articles in the the South Wales Argus. The first
story hinted that they may have hit wires.
http://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/mostpopular.var.1442866.0.breaking_news_one
_killed_in_aircraft_crash.php?s=s
http://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/mostpopular.var.1443829.mostviewed.police_n
ame_plane_crash_victims.php
_____
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rman
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 19:18
Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: europa crash
David and all,
I got the same note from Oliver Lane and sent him the attached photo of
William and I, at Epcot, this past April, along with a short note. Mary and
I are still in shock...
Jeff - Baby Blue
db wrote:
For info everyone on the list.
Thanks,
dave
-----Original Message-----
Subject: RE: europa crash
Dear Mr Lane,
I am sure by now that you have seen enough responses on the email forum to
William and Paul's deaths to understand just how friendly the two were, and
the regard we all held for their friendship.
I enclose a photograph of the two of them, taken at Barkaby, Stockholm, in
summer 2004 when we flew together up to northern Finland in our Europa
aircraft.
I do not think I can add any more at the moment - you will also find my
email on the list this afternoon - they will be sadly missed by a lot of
friends and our thoughts and condolences go to their families.
All the best,
David Bosomworth
Ps. I will copy this reply to the email list so that others you may have
contacted can see that you have received a reply, I know that David Joyce
has sent some pictures too.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 12:47 PM
Subject: europa crash
Dear Mr Joyce,
I am a journalist with the South Wales Argus newspaper and I noticed you
had posted a message on the Europa Club's forum regarding the deaths of
William Mills and Paul Sweeting.
We are putting together a tribute piece for them and wondered if you would
like to add anything, or whether you had a suitable photograph of either, or
both of them, that you might like us to use.
I am contactable on 07949 030036 or 01873 880556, or by emailing me back
at this address.
Many thanks,
Oliver Lane
Deputy news editor
South Wales Argus
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| Subject: | Emailing: William Mills G-HOFC Swiss Trip 2005 High Res Adjusted |
Hi! All ........Concerning the loss of G-HOFC with William Mills and
Paul Sweeting.
Tragedy indeed! I fail, for once, to find adequate words to align with
this accident. I messaged one of Williams friends to pass my condolences
to Diana and that I had previously had communications with Paul but
couldn't remember how or why.
I have now turned up his messages and of course he was as passionate as
myself with regards to who shall govern our country.
Attached is a photograph, taken by Ivor Phillips from my aircraft, of
William's aircraft over the Alps en-route to Raron in Switzerland it
has been on my office wall ever since. There is not a day gone by
without at some time reflecting on the trip and the people on it.
I have been reluctant so far to go public with a message of sympathy for
the families since I don't suppose for one minute they know me, but the
fact remains that I had shared such moments as dipicted here with a sure
gentleman who was thirsty for flying.
I do hope that those who are closer to the beareaved will be able to
pass my sincere thoughts and inadequate words of sympathy to them all.
(which of course at this time will seem so futile to them)
God bless them all and give them strength to celebrate both William's
and Paul's life and so go forward to the trying times ahead with proud
as well as heavy hearts.
Respectfully
Bob Harrison. G-PTAG
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