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1. 12:29 AM - Re: } Prop Balancing (Carl Pattinson)
2. 03:38 AM - Re: Sternpost joggle (Keith Hickling)
3. 06:04 AM - Williams Funeral (Paddy Clarke)
4. 06:45 AM - Re: Sternpost joggle (FlyHummel)
5. 07:52 AM - Re: builder test flying his own creation? (rampil)
6. 08:32 AM - Re: Spar guides? (Jeff B)
7. 09:16 AM - Re: Re: oil cooler (Thomas Scherer)
8. 10:52 AM - SV: What's up with the cost of 914? (Alex Kaarsberg)
9. 12:39 PM - Re: builder test flying his own creation? (Niels Kock)
10. 01:15 PM - Re: builder test flying his own creation? (Mike Parkin)
11. 01:57 PM - How flush is your rudder? ()
12. 03:48 PM - Re: Williams Funeral (R.C.Harrison)
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Balancing |
Mike
My understanding is the Club prop balancer is only available with Pete
Jeffers assistance - ie: it is a prop balancing service (hope thats clear
enough). The reason being its a valuable piece of kit and the club isnt
willing to risk loss or damage by hirng it out to inexperienced operators.
But then I cant speak for the club. The best person to ask is Pete himself -
01494 881431 or email pjeffers@talktalk.net or inspector@europaclub.org.uk
For those that dont know he is located near Booker Airfield at High Wycombe
so you can fly in to get the job done.
PS: I just looked in the Europa Club mag and the cost is 75, not 50 as I
prevously stated (the ad listed under Europa Merchandising actually says
approximately 75)
The other tools include 3.125 Tungsten Carbide holesaw, Rotax Carb Balancer,
SWR test meter, Mod72 reamer. These are free to members but you pay for the
postage both ways.
Regards
Carl
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Parkin" <mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com>
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 10:16 PM
Subject: Re: } Europa-List: Prop Balancing
> <mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com>
>
> Carl,
>
> You missed the point. The question is, is the club owned prop balancer
> available to club members - or, is a prop balancing service kindly
> provided by Pete the only thing that is available - at a cost.
>
> regards,
>
> MIke
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carl Pattinson" <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 9:42 PM
> Subject: Re: } Europa-List: Prop Balancing
>
>
>> <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
>>
>> The prop balancer is (as far as I am know) is for use by Europa club
>> members only - if thats what you mean by the chosen few. However the
>> charge (which I believe is 50) is what we all pay. Its to cover the cost
>> of the purchase and for Pete Jeffers time and expertise (cheap by any
>> standards).
>>
>> I dont know if the Europa club would loan the kit to non members - you
>> would have to ask them. Personally I doubt it after all whats the point
>> of having a club if non members can enjoy the same benefits as those who
>> subscribe..
>>
>> Hope that clarifies things
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Parkin" <mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com>
>> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 8:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: } Europa-List: Prop Balancing
>>
>>
>>> <mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com>
>>>
>>> For most of us 1,500 is a
>>>> big investment when you can get the job done for 50.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Fortunately, at the moment I am able to borrow an ACES Computerised
>>> Balancer from work. It does an excellent job at balancing the prop on
>>> my aircraft. All that is necessary is to read the manual.
>>>
>>> Carl, what you are saying is that the balancer bought by the club is for
>>> the use of chosen individuals only - other lesser mortals have still to
>>> pay to have their props balanced - is my understanding correct.
>>>
>>> regards,
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Sternpost joggle |
Ron, here is the reply I got from Nev in response to a question about the
bottom fin rib which was too long at the front, and the sternpost joggle:
Hi Keith, you have sussed that out just fine, the Manual / drawings are
not correct. Trim the front of the bottom rib off, probably as much as 1'',
so it fits up against the bulkhead. With all three of the ribs,don't try to
get to the exact dimensions, put them where they fit best.
Put a 3 ply Bid bracket from the top of the bottom rib onto the bulkhead,
1'' overlap.
With the sternpost, clamp it up with 4 pieces of 1'' angle iron, remove the
jogle from the sternpost at the top [ grind it away ], and where the top
hinge will go later, do a 3 Bid lay up over the area.
Glad to hear the wing skin went on OK, one of the key jobs, you will sleep
easier knowing it is on properly.
Cheers,
Nev.
----- Original Message -----
From: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 1:06 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Sternpost joggle
>
> My XS sternpost has a horizontal joggle bout 6" from the top right bout
> where the top rudder hinge wants to live (perhaps clearance for the top
> cap joggle? Cap not in hangar).
>
> Anyway the 3 rudder hinges need to be on the same plain.
>
> What have builders done to deal with this top joggle not allowing the top
> rudder hinge from laying flat and forcing it inboard compared to the
> others (by bout little over an 1/8"?
>
> Thx.
> Ron Parigoris
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Williams Funeral |
Hi All,
Diana has asked me to post details of Williams funeral.
It will take place at the Gwent crematorium at 14.00hrs on Monday
18th June.
Any questions, please, to the funeral directors V.A.Petersen, 01633
483127.
Paddy Clarke
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| Subject: | Re: Sternpost joggle |
Hi Ron,
I just cut the bumps out, and filled them in.
Used a couple pieces of Kevlar in the hinge area. I don't recommend
using kevlar, it's very hard to work with.
I used it because I ordered some by mistake and I'm trying to use it
up. Someday I'll show you my indestructible
battery box. : )
Steved
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| Subject: | Re: builder test flying his own creation? |
I also found that doing the full 40 test hours myself was extremely satisfying.
Being something of a quant, I kept my time occupied running
a full set of test cards and discussing the results with Bud Yerly.
During the 3 year build, I kept flying, trying to maintain 50 hours a year.
I was very grateful to have John Hurst and Jimmy Thursby to fly with in
the factory demonstrators for a few hours and Gary Stout in his beautiful
plane too.
Historically, there have been a few examples of mechanically poor kits,
like the Revolution500, and also some kits requiring better than average
piloting skills to stay alive. The BD5 comes to mind with a first flight
mortality over 50% by most reports. As Fred said most builds now are
kits, and these kits are either matched hole aluminum or molded glass
shapes.
These technologies make it much more difficult to build an A/C seriously
out of rig or out of type spec. Most of the current generation of these
A/C require no special ability to fly well. In my opinion, there is no
reason to not allow these builders to do their own responsible test
program.
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Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Spar guides? |
Fred,
I'm going with your last paragraph. /"...or am I trying to address
something which simply isn't a problem (?) and just adding unnecessary
weight and build-time?"
/Jeff - Baby Blue
292 hours and almost time for the second annual...
P.S. Just a reminder. The end of August is drawing closer, everyday.
Be sure to mark your calendars for the Europa flyin at Rough River KY.
It's gonna be a blast! Anyone with questions, contact me or Paul
McAllister for more info...
Fred Klein wrote:
>
> As I see the underside of the CM resting vertically on the floor w/
> the wings nicely mated and spar sockets in place, it occurs to me to
> consider whether or not a couple of FG straps part way around the
> spars might be useful to aid in the insertion of the wing spars during
> normal rigging. Since I understand that the spar ends (between the two
> main bolts/pip pin) I would think that such guide straps would want to
> be held off the edges of the spar a nominal distance (1/8"?) in order
> not to transmit in flight loads to portions of the CM not designed to
> take them. .
>
> I'm wondering if this is something others have done (?), whether it's
> a good idea (?) or am I trying to address something which simply isn't
> a problem (?) and just adding unnecessary weight and build-time?
>
> Obsessing again,
>
> Fred
> A194
>
>
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Moin Klaus,
ich brauche' mal wieder einen cooler.... Und auf der webseite gibt es
viele 1103-8. Hast Du irgendwo noch die Rechnung ? Ansonsten schick' ich
den Jungs ein Foto und lass mir einen empfehlen.
Gruss,
<Thomas>
----- Original Message -----
From: Klaus Dietrich
To: Europa-List Digest Server
Cc: thomas@scherer.com
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 2:49 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Re: oil cooler
the exact reference for the MK1 oil cooler from Think Automotive is
OC1103-8 and cost is GBP 40,- incl VAT
Klaus
Klaus Dietrich wrote:
Hallo Thomas,
den =D6lk=FChler f=FCr den Rotax 912 (Mk1 Installation) bekommst Du
bei http://www.thinkauto.com/
Ich habe mir selbst einen vor ca 6 Monaten dort =FCbers Online Shop
gekauft.
Wegen der Dimension bzw genauen Bezeichnung und Anschl=FCsse mu=DF
ich nochmals zu Hause auf der Rechnung nachsehen und kann es Dir dann
morgen mailen.
Gru=DF
Klaus (OE-CKD)
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| Subject: | What's up with the cost of 914? |
Duncan,
I=92ve always had a thing for torqey long-legged low-revving engines so
that
would be one tradeoff=85(-:
No ignition is another and many places you can get good diesel where no
gas
can be bought for money=85I expect there will be no valves and
associated
gear, so less parts to go wrong.
I=92ve been told the 93 kg=92s are dry, which I took for just =91=92add
water and
stir=92=92?
Alex #529=85hoping to finish under the 800 pound mark=85
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] P=E5 vegne af Duncan &
Ami
McFadyean
Sendt: 7. juni 2007 20:11
Til: europa-list@matronics.com
Emne: Re: Europa-List: What's up with the cost of 914?
<<...has anybody done any evaluation to use it in an Europa?>>
Yes (albeit on the 100kg prototype).
It's too heavy, unless you are prepared to compromise other aspects of
the
overall EUropa performance profile. The quoted weight is bare engine
less
its installation (radiators, water, mount etc etc).
But what would be the benefit of the trade-off of other factors? Unless
you
just keen to run it on cheap and sustainable rape oil!
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: Alexander <mailto:kaarsber@terra.com.br> Kaarsberg
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: What's up with the cost of 914?
Graham,
I guess I could have figured that out if I had engaged the brain before
writing...what with two cranks and all- but is there a reduction or not,
that is more an issue I think....more to the point, has anybody done any
evaluation to use it in an Europa?
I know a new unproven engine is worse than being in sahara with no map,
but
new developments do happen and sometimes they come our way.
Alex, kit 529
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Para:
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C=F3pia:
Data:
Thu, 07 Jun 2007 01:05:02 +0100
Assunto:
Re: Europa-List: What's up with the cost of 914?
>
> Alexander
> there is a gearbox. It has two crankshafts which need to be geared
> together. It's like the old Junkers Jumo (??) engine of WW2 but
> horizontal instead of vertical
> Graham
>
> Alexander Kaarsberg wrote:
> > I have recently heard of Diesel Air Limited (dair.co.uk) that is
said to
> > weigh in at 93 kg- the site looks fine but has ''UKL on
application''
> > under the heading price.
> >
> > Can anybody enlighten those in the dark about this beast?
> >
> > Two stroke flat four opposed-pistons, sounds as if could be simple
> > enough to work well- and noo gearbox...cruising at 2000 rpm, reminds
me
> > of my old BSA one pot 500cc, (B33) a put per lightpole in fourth
gear or
so
> >
> >
> >
> > Alex, kit 529 in wraps waiting for a good engine, instruments, paint
and
> > the million other minor things like closing wings and fitting the
other
> > flap and aileron.
> >
> > *
> >
> >
> > *
>
> --
> Graham Singleton
>
> Tel: +441629820187
> Mob: +447739582005
>
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| Subject: | Re: builder test flying his own creation? |
Graham, Paul.
Thanks for your soothing remarks, Graham, I needed them.
Faith, with cruel irony, decreed today that I be smacked for my cockyness.
Beheld by several hundres of gaping spectators (at the yearly Stauning
event)
I displayed my very first true ground loop, the humiliation of which I hope
was
balanced by the lan with which it was performed. Exit one Arplast VP
propeller.
Wind and weather not to blame. Sheer, undiluted complacency.
Serves me right, it does.
And, Paul, wipe that smug grin off your face!
Yours, however,
Niels
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham Singleton" <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 2:05 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: builder test flying his own creation?
> <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
>
> Niels
> You are too hard on yourself! (and thank you for making me smile again)
> You and I learnt to fly taildraggers later in life than the ideal, I do so
> envy the young ones their ability to learn so easily, (provided they have
> the necessary open mind). As Paul remarks, sometimes there is no choice
> but nevertheless a test pilot current on type will always be the best
> choice because it removes one very large variable from the equation.
> regards
> Graham
> Niels Kock wrote:
>>
>> Oh, Graham!
>> Why must you rid me of my blissful ignorance? -as well regarding the
>> mathematic numbers
>> as the number of US first timers coming to grief.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: builder test flying his own creation? |
What I mean is that
1. All Europas having been cleared by their inspectors will, almost per
definition, be
well behaving when airborne.
2. I seriously doubt that an eventual accompanying flying-instructor can
prevent a ground
loop if the builder has initiated one. The extra weight of the
instructor only increases the
inertia.
3. The ongoing horror stories about the proneness of the mono to groundloop
are, I feel, somewhat
exaggerated, and, what is worse, they will unavoidably add to the
likely pre-take off apprehension
of the builder. Which may increase his concentration, but as likely
will deteriorate his flying perfor-
mance. And weeks or months of waiting for the availability of a
suitable test pilot serves
only to increase the apprehension .
4. Finally, one should not ignore the significance of the marvellous moment
where you yourself take
that blasted, expensive, beautiful toy, gestated, perhaps, in spite of
your wife's silent misgivings,
aloft for the very first time. And,afterwards, having parked and shut
down the engine, can lean back,
shut your eyes and enjoy one of the rare moments in life, where you
are truly in awe.
Niels,
Just goes to show how wrong you can be. You are not the first and you will
not be the last. I didn't test fly my mono, but with a good measure of
overconfidence in a 20 knot crosswind, it bit me also.
At least you are safe and just have the embarrassment of paying for a new
prop.
How would you now modify your previous statements -- repeated above.
regards,
Mike
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| Subject: | How flush is your rudder? |
Thx. to those who replied to my sternpost joggle post.
My rudder flange is thinner than the thickness of the sternpost/fin
thickness by 1/8"+.
Did anyone do anything about the starboard side of the rudder being more
inboard than the starboard side of the fin?
Just ignore it?
Space the hinge on the rudder flange with G-10 or aluminium or layers of
BID?
Fill rudder to match?
If you filled how far aft of an area did you fair over?
Perhaps 1/3 way space hinge and 1/3 way fill and ignore 1/3 offset?
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Williams Funeral |
Hi! Paddy /all and Dianna if you should be still sharing our sadness
through this list.
Regretfully I will be unable to attend Williams funeral on the 18th,
since I have a fixed appointment for an Bone Cancer Scan in Lincoln
which will take most of the day.
Since it is tied in with my Radio Therapy it is not possible to change
it.
Is there anyone with a spare seat travelling from the North East to
Paul's?
Regards
Bob Harrison, G-PTAG
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paddy
Clarke
Sent: 09 June 2007 14:02
Subject: Europa-List: Williams Funeral
<paddyclarke@lineone.net>
Hi All,
Diana has asked me to post details of Williams funeral.
It will take place at the Gwent crematorium at 14.00hrs on Monday
18th June.
Any questions, please, to the funeral directors V.A.Petersen, 01633
483127.
Paddy Clarke
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