---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 06/10/07: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:49 AM - Re: How flush is your rudder? (Keith Hickling) 2. 11:41 AM - Re: builder test flying his own creation? (Niels Kock) 3. 08:16 PM - Re: builder test flying his own creation? (Tom Friedland) 4. 09:43 PM - Rotax Circuit Wiring....... Help would be best and most appreciated ? or ident key would help ! (R.C.Harrison) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:49:31 AM PST US From: Keith Hickling Subject: Re: Europa-List: How flush is your rudder? Ron, Mine was the same, and Nev said just to fill out the rudder as needed. My rudder hinges were already bonded to the rudder flange by the time I saw this problem, so I will just fill it a little, but if yours are not yet bonded it would seem much easier and presumably stronger to apply more bid to the inside of the rudder flange . That would also provide just a bit more space for the rudder to fit inside the fin - mine was quite tight and the port fin flange needed sanding well forward. That's what I would do if doing it again. Regards, Keith Hickling. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 8:55 AM Subject: Europa-List: How flush is your rudder? > > Thx. to those who replied to my sternpost joggle post. > > My rudder flange is thinner than the thickness of the sternpost/fin > thickness by 1/8"+. > > Did anyone do anything about the starboard side of the rudder being more > inboard than the starboard side of the fin? > > Just ignore it? > Space the hinge on the rudder flange with G-10 or aluminium or layers of > BID? > Fill rudder to match? > If you filled how far aft of an area did you fair over? > Perhaps 1/3 way space hinge and 1/3 way fill and ignore 1/3 offset? > > Thx. > Ron Parigoris > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:41:48 AM PST US From: "Niels Kock" Subject: Re: Europa-List: builder test flying his own creation? Mike, It just proves that one cannot rely on one's own experience alone, but should benefit from those of others, before opening one's big mouth. The message is that what is true for some is not for others. regards, Niels ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Parkin" Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 10:14 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: builder test flying his own creation? > > > What I mean is that > 1. All Europas having been cleared by their inspectors will, almost per > definition, be > well behaving when airborne. > 2. I seriously doubt that an eventual accompanying flying-instructor can > prevent a ground > loop if the builder has initiated one. The extra weight of the > instructor only increases the > inertia. > 3. The ongoing horror stories about the proneness of the mono to > groundloop are, I feel, somewhat > exaggerated, and, what is worse, they will unavoidably add to the > likely pre-take off apprehension > of the builder. Which may increase his concentration, but as likely > will deteriorate his flying perfor- > mance. And weeks or months of waiting for the availability of a > suitable test pilot serves > only to increase the apprehension . > 4. Finally, one should not ignore the significance of the marvellous > moment where you yourself take > that blasted, expensive, beautiful toy, gestated, perhaps, in spite of > your wife's silent misgivings, > aloft for the very first time. And,afterwards, having parked and shut > down the engine, can lean back, > shut your eyes and enjoy one of the rare moments in life, where you > are truly in awe. > > > Niels, > > Just goes to show how wrong you can be. You are not the first and you > will not be the last. I didn't test fly my mono, but with a good measure > of overconfidence in a 20 knot crosswind, it bit me also. > > At least you are safe and just have the embarrassment of paying for a new > prop. > > How would you now modify your previous statements -- repeated > above. > > regards, > > Mike > > > -- Jeg beskyttes af den gratis SPAMfighter til privatbrugere. Den har indtil videre sparet mig for at f 432 spam-mails. Betalende brugere fr ikke denne besked i deres e-mails. Hent gratis SPAMfighter her: http://www.spamfighter.com/lda ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:16:35 PM PST US From: "Tom Friedland" <96victor@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Europa-List: builder test flying his own creation? Hi Niels I am sorry to hear about your ground loop. I don't understand your regrets about doing your first flight. Evidently that was ok and you had the loop problem on a subsequent flight. Is that correct? If someone else had done the first flight and you flew afterward, would you not have been just as likely to have the aircraft get away from you? What am I missing here? Tom Friedland, A 079, N96V On 6/10/07, Niels Kock wrote: > > > Mike, > It just proves that one cannot rely on one's own experience alone, but > should benefit from those of others, before opening one's big mouth. > The message is that what is true for some is not for others. > regards, > Niels > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Parkin" > To: > Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 10:14 PM > Subject: Re: Europa-List: builder test flying his own creation? > > > > > > > > What I mean is that > > 1. All Europas having been cleared by their inspectors will, almost per > > definition, be > > well behaving when airborne. > > 2. I seriously doubt that an eventual accompanying flying-instructor ca n > > prevent a ground > > loop if the builder has initiated one. The extra weight of the > > instructor only increases the > > inertia. > > 3. The ongoing horror stories about the proneness of the mono to > > groundloop are, I feel, somewhat > > exaggerated, and, what is worse, they will unavoidably add to the > > likely pre-take off apprehension > > of the builder. Which may increase his concentration, but as likely > > will deteriorate his flying perfor- > > mance. And weeks or months of waiting for the availability of a > > suitable test pilot serves > > only to increase the apprehension . > > 4. Finally, one should not ignore the significance of the marvellous > > moment where you yourself take > > that blasted, expensive, beautiful toy, gestated, perhaps, in spite > of > > your wife's silent misgivings, > > aloft for the very first time. And,afterwards, having parked and > shut > > down the engine, can lean back, > > shut your eyes and enjoy one of the rare moments in life, where yo u > > are truly in awe. > > > > > > Niels, > > > > Just goes to show how wrong you can be. You are not the first and you > > will not be the last. I didn't test fly my mono, but with a good > measure > > of overconfidence in a 20 knot crosswind, it bit me also. > > > > At least you are safe and just have the embarrassment of paying for a > new > > prop. > > > > How would you now modify your previous statements -- repeated > > above. > > > > regards, > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Jeg beskyttes af den gratis SPAMfighter til privatbrugere. > Den har indtil videre sparet mig for at f=E5 432 spam-mails. > Betalende brugere f=E5r ikke denne besked i deres e-mails. > Hent gratis SPAMfighter her: http://www.spamfighter.com/lda > > =========== =========== =========== > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:43:59 PM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: Europa-List: Rotax Circuit Wiring....... Help would be best and most appreciated ? or ident key would help ! Hi! Guys. Apart from about 6 months getting psyched up about the Rotax and all associated with it I've been a couple of days and have done the temperature and pressure instrumentation connections (or what I haven't done I have no problem over!) NOW I'M BORED AND WANT THIS BIRD BACK IN THE AIR so I can sleep nights without wakening and having brain traumas. However really I'm quite a "bo bo" on electrics except I do have a fair capability with the English language and so am quite able to know that switches and wires all need connecting to indicator lights(some warning) all in an organised plan with positive buzz and negative buzz origins all with suitable fuses etc. (oh ! and momentarily "push to break" buttons too!) and ignition port and starboard "mag switches" grounded at both ends and so on, also.. I have the Europa /Rotax BASIC electrical circuit diagram on which, (in spite of having adequately driven a Jabiru !) is common with my panel set up, so now instead of trawling through pages of Rotax Installation CD all I need is a "paint by numbers" guide as to where a mere hand full of wire "pairs" are supposed to be connected which are all numbered as below. Is there please anyone (Rotax electrically competent!) able to assist me with marrying the blessed wire numbers with what their useful and correct destination should be ? The wire numbers are :- a) .... 10..28 are ...........and go to...... ? b) ......... 11..35 are ...........and go to...... ? c) .... 25..14 are ...........and go to...... ? d) ....two yellow shielded..........and go to ...... ? ( I guess between the Alternator and regulator but I thought the mag wires needed shielding which ever they are?) Oh! and that brings to mind the fact that my mag. switches are already grounded but where do I ground the other end ..when I find the shielding ? Of course wires 19.31.7 and 14..2 all link the turbo waste gate operational motor with the Turbo Control Unit. Rotax were kind enough to have preassembled that ! Here's hoping I get some response this time since I received a stony silence over my previous posting raising the question of "preferable rotational timing" of a three blade propeller to the "top dead centre" position of No 1 cylinder firing stroke ? (on a 4 cylinder Rotax!) Best regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG still sat in the garage after past 12 months and counting ! 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