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1. 04:01 AM - FW: Monowheel Trailer (Troy Maynor)
2. 05:40 AM - Re: FW:Monowheel Trailer (Robert Borger)
3. 06:52 AM - Re: Rotax Circuit Wiring (Ralph K. Hallett III)
4. 09:30 AM - Re: FW: Monowheel Trailer (Tom Friedland)
5. 10:16 AM - Re: Rotax Circuit Wiring (Jos Okhuijsen)
6. 10:51 AM - Re: builder test flying his own creation? (karelvranken)
7. 11:31 AM - Re: Rotax Circuit Wiring (R.C.Harrison)
8. 11:35 AM - Re: Rotax Circuit Wiring (Gilles Thesee)
9. 11:40 AM - Re: Rotax Circuit Wiring (Ralph K. Hallett III)
10. 11:56 AM - Re: builder test flying his own creation? (Garry)
11. 12:36 PM - Re: builder test flying his own creation? (gregoryf.flyboy)
12. 01:35 PM - Re: FW: Monowheel Trailer (Steve Crimm)
13. 02:36 PM - Re: Rotax Circuit Wiring (Ralph K. Hallett III)
14. 05:42 PM - Transition Training for Monowheel Builders (rlborger)
15. 05:59 PM - Re: Transition Training for Monowheel Builders (rampil)
16. 06:05 PM - Re: Transition Training for Monowheel Builders (glenn crowder)
17. 06:07 PM - Re: Transition Training for Monowheel Builders (Steve Crimm)
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| Subject: | FW: Monowheel Trailer |
> Hi All,
> I attempted to ask this a few days ago but my mail bounced back once and
> vanished the second time. I will try again.
>
> I loaded the fuselage on the mono-trailer yesterday for the first time.
> This is a Europa USA locally built steel trailer and I have my doubts as
> to whether it is the same diminsions as the current ones. I was not able
> to close the ramp all the way up, but sufficiently to capture the gear a
> little. I wanted to know if the wide (8") edge of the ramp is suppose to
> make contact with the front of the landing gear frame. And, how deep does
> the sides of the landing gear frame get captured by the raised ramp?
> That's one issue.
>
> The tail wheel is hitting the tongue jack. This needs work, possibly
> trimming the mount for the jack and making a capture device.
>
> When I put the wings on I noted the spars don't fit square into holders. I
> think these have been changed in design as well. Can someone that has
> their plane on the trailer take some pictures close up in these 3 areas
> and post them or email them to me? I need to get the plane to the paint
> shop soon. Thanks.
>
> Troy Maynor
> N120EU Europa Monowheel Classic
> Left to finish:
> Paint,(some) interior,engine install, (some) wiring.
> Weaverville, NC USA
>
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| Subject: | Re: FW:Monowheel Trailer |
Troy,
This afternoon, sometime between 1600 hrs and 1700 hrs local time, I am taking
delivery of my (bluddy expen$ive) monowheel trailer purchased from Europa. Once
I have it assembled I can probably answer your questions. And you can rest
assured that there will be plenty of pics (as delivered, during assembly, post
assembly and with the various pieces of aircraft in place) posted on my build
website. Once I have been through it, I will be glad to answer your questions
as posted and any others you may have.
Good building and great flying,
Bob Borger
N914XL, Europa XS Monowheel, Rotax 914, Airmaster CS prop.
http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL
All that's left is cowling access doors, a bit of electrical, instrument panel
install & test, Plexi install, complete interior, wing & flap roots, some fill,
prime and paint.
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax Circuit Wiring |
Robert,
Thanks for your timely question on the mag wires. However, I am still
very confused, I can't figure where the mag wires are, or where they
come out of the A & B boxes. The Rotax diagram shows shielded leads
running from the boxes and to the mag switches. I am really feeling like
a retard!
Ralph
R.C.Harrison wrote:
>
> Hi! Ian
>
> Thanks for helping with my frustration! Your numbers help close the
> circle somewhat .further brain scans likely !
>
> It would have helped if Skydrive had put their photocopy of a picture
> of connecting the mags to the panel anywhere but stapled to the back
> of the oil priming documents !
>
> Regards
>
> Bob H
>
> Robt.C.Harrison
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *G-IANI
> *Sent:* 11 June 2007 10:38
> *To:* europa-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: Europa-List: Rotax Circuit Wiring
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Monowheel Trailer |
Hi Troy
My trailer came from the UK and I had the same problems that you have. I
put a larger tire on so the ramp did not even get close to the landing gear
frame. I fixed that by making an extension fo the ramp hinge so it is was
farther back. I also put spacers on both sides of the enclosure for the
tire to keep it centered.
I moved the winch forward and elevated it so the tailwheel can go farther
forward. It is close but works and the winch strap holds the wheel forward
nicely.
My wings fit ok once I did some grinding so that the pin lined up and the
thing that holds the aileron control securely is in the proper location.
I would send photos but my ability to transfer photos to the computor is
currently not working.
Tom Friedland N96V Ellensburg WA
On 6/12/07, Troy Maynor <wingnut54@charter.net> wrote:
>
>
> > Hi All,
> > I attempted to ask this a few days ago but my mail bounced back once and
> > vanished the second time. I will try again.
> >
> > I loaded the fuselage on the mono-trailer yesterday for the first time.
> > This is a Europa USA locally built steel trailer and I have my doubts as
> > to whether it is the same diminsions as the current ones. I was not able
> > to close the ramp all the way up, but sufficiently to capture the gear a
> > little. I wanted to know if the wide (8") edge of the ramp is suppose to
> > make contact with the front of the landing gear frame. And, how deep
> does
> > the sides of the landing gear frame get captured by the raised ramp?
> > That's one issue.
> >
> > The tail wheel is hitting the tongue jack. This needs work, possibly
> > trimming the mount for the jack and making a capture device.
> >
> > When I put the wings on I noted the spars don't fit square into holders.
> I
> > think these have been changed in design as well. Can someone that has
> > their plane on the trailer take some pictures close up in these 3 areas
> > and post them or email them to me? I need to get the plane to the paint
> > shop soon. Thanks.
> >
> > Troy Maynor
> > N120EU Europa Monowheel Classic
> > Left to finish:
> > Paint,(some) interior,engine install, (some) wiring.
> > Weaverville, NC USA
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax Circuit Wiring |
Hi All,
The mag wires are not there, not anymore on newer engines.
Take a close look at the connectors of the ignition units, there is one
wire missing on both, that's were the tiny spade connector goes with the
shielded wire you supply. And don't forget the tiny rubber grommet, that
should keep the water out of that connector.
Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
--
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http://www.europaowners.org/kit600
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| Subject: | Re: builder test flying his own creation? |
Mike and all,
Where are the instructors to explain why the Europa is different and
difficult to land especially on hard runways with cross wind? We until
now hear only warnings. I hope there will come a discussion why it so
different even for a taildragger.
Karel Vranken, #447 Mono XS 912ULS Airmaster CS, only 37 hours on
F-PKRL, first flight by myself with 3800 hours half of wich on
taildragger.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Parkin
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: builder test flying his own creation?
OK Guys,
You can talk your way around this subject until you are blue in the
face !!!! I am sure the sense of achievement is enhanced beyond
measure - and it is the individual owners own choice.
But be very clear, I don't care what your experience is - but if you
test fly your own monowheel without a reasonable amount of experience on
type you are placing all your hard work at the mercy of your
overconfidence/ego. It is entirely up to the individual.
Perhaps I am underconfident these days and I have flown a few things
between Slingsby Swallow thru Chipmunk on the slow side to F15 on the
fast side, and it is very obvious to me and what has happened to
different individuals over recent years that an inexperienced europa
builder flying his own pride and joy is putting himself and his creation
at an increased risk - that's all.
Ya pays ya money and ya takes ya chance. (But please do not cause my
insurance to increase.)
regards,
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Niels Kock
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: builder test flying his own creation?
Hello, Tom.
You are right. The ground loop was last Saturday, and my first
flight ,which I had no qualms about and which went just fine, was exacty
8 years ago.
And your last paragraph is my point exactly, because no matter how
extensively your Europa has been test flown by another person, your
first flight will still be your first flight.
But I think - if I am not remembering wrong - that Graham and Paul
Mcallister's poin was that the safest way was to have some experienced
hand at your side initially.
Niels
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Friedland
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 5:15 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: builder test flying his own creation?
Hi Niels
I am sorry to hear about your ground loop. I don't understand
your regrets about doing your first flight. Evidently that was ok and
you had the loop problem on a subsequent flight. Is that correct?
If someone else had done the first flight and you flew afterward,
would you not have been just as likely to have the aircraft get away
from you?
What am I missing here?
Tom Friedland, A 079, N96V
On 6/10/07, Niels Kock <nielskock@get2net.dk> wrote:
<nielskock@get2net.dk >
Mike,
It just proves that one cannot rely on one's own experience
alone, but
should benefit from those of others, before opening one's big
mouth.
The message is that what is true for some is not for others.
regards,
Niels
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Parkin" <mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com>
To: < europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: builder test flying his own creation?
> <mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com>
>
> What I mean is that
> 1. All Europas having been cleared by their inspectors will,
almost per
> definition, be
> well behaving when airborne.
> 2. I seriously doubt that an eventual accompanying
flying-instructor can
> prevent a ground
> loop if the builder has initiated one. The extra weight of
the
> instructor only increases the
> inertia.
> 3. The ongoing horror stories about the proneness of the mono
to
> groundloop are, I feel, somewhat
> exaggerated, and, what is worse, they will unavoidably add
to the
> likely pre-take off apprehension
> of the builder. Which may increase his concentration, but
as likely
> will deteriorate his flying perfor-
> mance. And weeks or months of waiting for the availability
of a
> suitable test pilot serves
> only to increase the apprehension .
> 4. Finally, one should not ignore the significance of the
marvellous
> moment where you yourself take
> that blasted, expensive, beautiful toy, gestated, perhaps,
in spite of
> your wife's silent misgivings,
> aloft for the very first time. And,afterwards, having
parked and shut
> down the engine, can lean back,
> shut your eyes and enjoy one of the rare moments in life,
where you
> are truly in awe.
>
>
> Niels,
>
> Just goes to show how wrong you can be. You are not the first
and you
> will not be the last. I didn't test fly my mono, but with a
good measure
> of overconfidence in a 20 knot crosswind, it bit me also.
>
> At least you are safe and just have the embarrassment of
paying for a new
> prop.
>
> How would you now modify your previous statements --
repeated
> above.
>
> regards,
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Rotax Circuit Wiring |
Hi! Ralph
You aren't retarded .....well any more than myself !
Wow! a couple of days ago I was "pigged off" and now find myself helping
others in distress ! thanks for the opportunity.
I don't study modern circuit diagrams very amiably, or sit and read
instructions on a VDU screen either. However at the expense of asking
I'm pleased to say the answer is simple ...Rotax don't do shielded mag.
kill wires and switches in spite of very adequately providing all the
other wires, shielded in the case of alternator wires (yellow) and posh
black nylon sleeve round them too. Thanks to my pal Ivor Phillips I can
advise that you need to provide your own shielded wire and switches for
the job.
In my case no big deal since my Jabiru wires are adequate to swap
straight over. All you need to know further is the location of the
engine end and where to fix them..... On the top of the engine you will
find a couple of cigarette size black boxes and some electrical connect
plugs. These are A and B shown on the circuit drawing. In the corner
each of the connectors you will find what appears to be one location
without a wire in seemingly blanked off. If you carefully (using a
sewing needle) prick into and prise out the black blanking material you
will find it to be a rubber grommet (be careful since to " have them go
walk about you won't find them again !)
Now in your kit you will find either a couple of bullet connectors
(older engine packs) or a pair of bright silver slim spade connectors
these connectors need crimping to the wires which you have provided
along with the grommets so that when inserted back in the connector
holes they will seal against ingress of water.
Ian Rickard kindly furnished me with the "key" numbers of the remaining
wires which I'm sure is useful to know, I've copied them below for your
info.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG with thanks to all who messaged to help on my cry of
frustration !
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of G-IANI
Sent: 11 June 2007 10:38
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Rotax Circuit Wiring
Bob
The diagram that Ivor has sent you is the correct one..
Some of the wires (which you are unlikely to get wrong as they are
already connected) are not marked on the diagram. For information here
are the rest. These are shown on the wiring harness diagram. I have a
very tatty paper copy but have never found a PDF.
12,24,17 and 36 are the serial connection (for setting the throttle etc)
7, 13 and 19 also go to the turbo servo but are not shown on the diagram
3 and 4 are the air box temperature sensor
15 and 27 are the taco connections
5 and 22 are the card air box solenoid
8,20 and 32 go to the throttle position sensor
Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear
Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear)
e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph K.
Hallett III
Sent: 12 June 2007 14:51
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rotax Circuit Wiring
<n100rh@sbcglobal.net>
Robert,
Thanks for your timely question on the mag wires. However, I am still
very confused, I can't figure where the mag wires are, or where they
come out of the A & B boxes. The Rotax diagram shows shielded leads
running from the boxes and to the mag switches. I am really feeling like
a retard!
Ralph
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax Circuit Wiring |
Ralph K. Hallett III a crit :
> <n100rh@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Robert,
> Thanks for your timely question on the mag wires. However, I am still
> very confused, I can't figure where the mag wires are, or where they
> come out of the A & B boxes. The Rotax diagram shows shielded leads
> running from the boxes and to the mag switches.
Ralph and all,
Rotax has changed his mag connectors.
I just crafted a quick web page on the subject at
http://contrails.free.fr/engine_rotax_mag_connect_en.php
Maybe this could be of some help.
Best regards,
--
Gilles
http://contrails.free.fr
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax Circuit Wiring |
OMG! Now how was I supposed to know that????
Oh, I feel like I just got off the short bus :) Thanks much,
Ralph
Jos Okhuijsen wrote:
>
> Hi All,
> The mag wires are not there, not anymore on newer engines.
> Take a close look at the connectors of the ignition units, there is
> one wire missing on both, that's were the tiny spade connector goes
> with the shielded wire you supply. And don't forget the tiny rubber
> grommet, that should keep the water out of that connector.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jos Okhuijsen
>
> --workshopcam http://www.okhuijsen.org/plane
> http://www.europaowners.org/kit600
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: builder test flying his own creation? |
To get a handle on the concept of landing a monowheel, I suggest taking
a bowling ball and laying a sheet of plywood 4' X 4' on top of the
bowling ball. Then try to stand up on the plywood. The physics are
identical.
Garry Stout
Trigear
----- Original Message -----
From: karelvranken
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: builder test flying his own creation?
Mike and all,
Where are the instructors to explain why the Europa is different and
difficult to land especially on hard runways with cross wind? We until
now hear only warnings. I hope there will come a discussion why it so
different even for a taildragger.
Karel Vranken, #447 Mono XS 912ULS Airmaster CS, only 37 hours on
F-PKRL, first flight by myself with 3800 hours half of wich on
taildragger.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Parkin
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: builder test flying his own creation?
OK Guys,
You can talk your way around this subject until you are blue in the
face !!!! I am sure the sense of achievement is enhanced beyond
measure - and it is the individual owners own choice.
But be very clear, I don't care what your experience is - but if you
test fly your own monowheel without a reasonable amount of experience on
type you are placing all your hard work at the mercy of your
overconfidence/ego. It is entirely up to the individual.
Perhaps I am underconfident these days and I have flown a few things
between Slingsby Swallow thru Chipmunk on the slow side to F15 on the
fast side, and it is very obvious to me and what has happened to
different individuals over recent years that an inexperienced europa
builder flying his own pride and joy is putting himself and his creation
at an increased risk - that's all.
Ya pays ya money and ya takes ya chance. (But please do not cause
my insurance to increase.)
regards,
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Niels Kock
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: builder test flying his own creation?
Hello, Tom.
You are right. The ground loop was last Saturday, and my first
flight ,which I had no qualms about and which went just fine, was exacty
8 years ago.
And your last paragraph is my point exactly, because no matter how
extensively your Europa has been test flown by another person, your
first flight will still be your first flight.
But I think - if I am not remembering wrong - that Graham and
Paul Mcallister's poin was that the safest way was to have some
experienced hand at your side initially.
Niels
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Friedland
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 5:15 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: builder test flying his own creation?
Hi Niels
I am sorry to hear about your ground loop. I don't understand
your regrets about doing your first flight. Evidently that was ok and
you had the loop problem on a subsequent flight. Is that correct?
If someone else had done the first flight and you flew
afterward, would you not have been just as likely to have the aircraft
get away from you?
What am I missing here?
Tom Friedland, A 079, N96V
On 6/10/07, Niels Kock <nielskock@get2net.dk> wrote:
<nielskock@get2net.dk >
Mike,
It just proves that one cannot rely on one's own experience
alone, but
should benefit from those of others, before opening one's big
mouth.
The message is that what is true for some is not for others.
regards,
Niels
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Parkin" <mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com>
To: < europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: builder test flying his own
creation?
> <mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com>
>
> What I mean is that
> 1. All Europas having been cleared by their inspectors will,
almost per
> definition, be
> well behaving when airborne.
> 2. I seriously doubt that an eventual accompanying
flying-instructor can
> prevent a ground
> loop if the builder has initiated one. The extra weight
of the
> instructor only increases the
> inertia.
> 3. The ongoing horror stories about the proneness of the
mono to
> groundloop are, I feel, somewhat
> exaggerated, and, what is worse, they will unavoidably
add to the
> likely pre-take off apprehension
> of the builder. Which may increase his concentration,
but as likely
> will deteriorate his flying perfor-
> mance. And weeks or months of waiting for the
availability of a
> suitable test pilot serves
> only to increase the apprehension .
> 4. Finally, one should not ignore the significance of the
marvellous
> moment where you yourself take
> that blasted, expensive, beautiful toy, gestated,
perhaps, in spite of
> your wife's silent misgivings,
> aloft for the very first time. And,afterwards, having
parked and shut
> down the engine, can lean back,
> shut your eyes and enjoy one of the rare moments in
life, where you
> are truly in awe.
>
>
> Niels,
>
> Just goes to show how wrong you can be. You are not the
first and you
> will not be the last. I didn't test fly my mono, but with a
good measure
> of overconfidence in a 20 knot crosswind, it bit me also.
>
> At least you are safe and just have the embarrassment of
paying for a new
> prop.
>
> How would you now modify your previous statements --
repeated
> above.
>
> regards,
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Except the wheel will allow movement in one axis, while the bowling ball
allows movement in two axis. If you are thinking that the big moment arm
of
the tail section hanging out in a high wind could create the twist on
the
wheel in the other axis, then the physics would indeed, be a bit closer
to
the bowling ball. However, the monowheel still ties the plane down on
the
ground laterally.
I don=92t think I would want to try the bowling ball experiment. I am
not sure
I would be able to do it. I would definitely need to take lessons on how
to
=91land=92 that one!
Greg Fuchs
Tri-gear (A050)
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Garry
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: builder test flying his own creation?
To get a handle on the concept of landing a monowheel, I suggest taking
a
bowling ball and laying a sheet of plywood 4' X 4' on top of the bowling
ball. Then try to stand up on the plywood. The physics are identical.
Garry Stout
Trigear
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From: karelvranken <mailto:karelvranken@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: builder test flying his own creation?
Mike and all,
Where are the instructors to explain why the Europa is different and
difficult to land especially on hard runways with cross wind? We until
now
hear only warnings. I hope there will come a discussion why it so
different
even for a taildragger.
Karel Vranken, #447 Mono XS 912ULS Airmaster CS, only 37 hours on
F-PKRL,
first flight by myself with 3800 hours half of wich on taildragger.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Parkin <mailto:mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: builder test flying his own creation?
OK Guys,
You can talk your way around this subject until you are blue in the face
!!!! I am sure the sense of achievement is enhanced beyond measure -
and
it is the individual owners own choice.
But be very clear, I don't care what your experience is - but if you
test
fly your own monowheel without a reasonable amount of experience on type
you
are placing all your hard work at the mercy of your overconfidence/ego.
It
is entirely up to the individual.
Perhaps I am underconfident these days and I have flown a few things
between
Slingsby Swallow thru Chipmunk on the slow side to F15 on the fast side,
and
it is very obvious to me and what has happened to different individuals
over
recent years that an inexperienced europa builder flying his own pride
and
joy is putting himself and his creation at an increased risk - that's
all.
Ya pays ya money and ya takes ya chance. (But please do not cause my
insurance to increase.)
regards,
Mike
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From: Niels Kock <mailto:nielskock@get2net.dk>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: builder test flying his own creation?
Hello, Tom.
You are right. The ground loop was last Saturday, and my first flight
,which
I had no qualms about and which went just fine, was exacty 8 years ago.
And your last paragraph is my point exactly, because no matter how
extensively your Europa has been test flown by another person, your
first
flight will still be your first flight.
But I think - if I am not remembering wrong - that Graham and Paul
Mcallister's poin was that the safest way was to have some experienced
hand
at your side initially.
Niels
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From: Tom Friedland <mailto:96victor@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 5:15 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: builder test flying his own creation?
Hi Niels
I am sorry to hear about your ground loop. I don't understand your
regrets
about doing your first flight. Evidently that was ok and you had the
loop
problem on a subsequent flight. Is that correct?
If someone else had done the first flight and you flew afterward, would
you
not have been just as likely to have the aircraft get away from you?
What am I missing here?
Tom Friedland, A 079, N96V
On 6/10/07, Niels Kock <nielskock@get2net.dk> wrote:
<mailto:nielskock@get2net.dk> >
Mike,
It just proves that one cannot rely on one's own experience alone, but
should benefit from those of others, before opening one's big mouth.
The message is that what is true for some is not for others.
regards,
Niels
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Parkin" <mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: builder test flying his own creation?
> <mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com>
>
> What I mean is that
> 1. All Europas having been cleared by their inspectors will, almost
per
> definition, be
> well behaving when airborne.
> 2. I seriously doubt that an eventual accompanying flying-instructor
can
> prevent a ground
> loop if the builder has initiated one. The extra weight of the
> instructor only increases the
> inertia.
> 3. The ongoing horror stories about the proneness of the mono to
> groundloop are, I feel, somewhat
> exaggerated, and, what is worse, they will unavoidably add to the
> likely pre-take off apprehension
> of the builder. Which may increase his concentration, but as
likely
> will deteriorate his flying perfor-
> mance. And weeks or months of waiting for the availability of a
> suitable test pilot serves
> only to increase the apprehension .
> 4. Finally, one should not ignore the significance of the marvellous
> moment where you yourself take
> that blasted, expensive, beautiful toy, gestated, perhaps, in
spite of
> your wife's silent misgivings,
> aloft for the very first time. And,afterwards, having parked and
shut
> down the engine, can lean back,
> shut your eyes and enjoy one of the rare moments in life, where
you
> are truly in awe.
>
>
> Niels,
>
> Just goes to show how wrong you can be. You are not the first and you
> will not be the last. I didn't test fly my mono, but with a good
measure
> of overconfidence in a 20 knot crosswind, it bit me also.
>
> At least you are safe and just have the embarrassment of paying for a
new
> prop.
>
> How would you now modify your previous statements -- repeated
> above.
>
> regards,
>
> Mike
>
>
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| Subject: | FW: Monowheel Trailer |
Tom,
Do you have any pics of how you set up and use your winch?
Steve
N42AH
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Friedland
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 12:29
Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: Monowheel Trailer
Hi Troy
My trailer came from the UK and I had the same problems that you have. I
put a larger tire on so the ramp did not even get close to the landing gear
frame. I fixed that by making an extension fo the ramp hinge so it is was
farther back. I also put spacers on both sides of the enclosure for the
tire to keep it centered.
I moved the winch forward and elevated it so the tailwheel can go farther
forward. It is close but works and the winch strap holds the wheel forward
nicely.
My wings fit ok once I did some grinding so that the pin lined up and the
thing that holds the aileron control securely is in the proper location.
I would send photos but my ability to transfer photos to the computor is
currently not working.
Tom Friedland N96V Ellensburg WA
On 6/12/07, Troy Maynor <wingnut54@charter.net> wrote:
> Hi All,
> I attempted to ask this a few days ago but my mail bounced back once and
> vanished the second time. I will try again.
>
> I loaded the fuselage on the mono-trailer yesterday for the first time.
> This is a Europa USA locally built steel trailer and I have my doubts as
> to whether it is the same diminsions as the current ones. I was not able
> to close the ramp all the way up, but sufficiently to capture the gear a
> little. I wanted to know if the wide (8") edge of the ramp is suppose to
> make contact with the front of the landing gear frame. And, how deep does
> the sides of the landing gear frame get captured by the raised ramp?
> That's one issue.
>
> The tail wheel is hitting the tongue jack. This needs work, possibly
> trimming the mount for the jack and making a capture device.
>
> When I put the wings on I noted the spars don't fit square into holders. I
> think these have been changed in design as well. Can someone that has
> their plane on the trailer take some pictures close up in these 3 areas
> and post them or email them to me? I need to get the plane to the paint
> shop soon. Thanks.
>
> Troy Maynor
> N120EU Europa Monowheel Classic
> Left to finish:
> Paint,(some) interior,engine install, (some) wiring.
> Weaverville, NC USA
>
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Thanks again to all, great help! Maybe, some day I can return the
favor... let's hope so.
Ralph
Jos Okhuijsen wrote:
>
> Hi All,
> The mag wires are not there, not anymore on newer engines.
> Take a close look at the connectors of the ignition units, there is
> one wire missing on both, that's were the tiny spade connector goes
> with the shielded wire you supply. And don't forget the tiny rubber
> grommet, that should keep the water out of that connector.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jos Okhuijsen
>
> --workshopcam http://www.okhuijsen.org/plane
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| Subject: | Transition Training for Monowheel Builders |
Fellow Europaphiles,
OK, let's stop dancing around the subject and lay it out on the table
where everyone can have at it.
Is there anyone out there who can provide transition training for
someone about to complete their monowheel??
If there is, speak up please!
This is the real issue, TRANSITION TRAINING in the EUROPA MONOWHEEL.
I expect that I'll have N914XL ready to fly in August or September.
I would love for someone out there to provide me a few hours of
transition training. If you are commercially rated and a CFI, I'd be
happy to pay reasonable aircraft rental and instructor rates. In
addition, you'd probably get a couple good steak dinners in the deal.
I am an instrument rated, commercial pilot. (No I do not fly for a
living) I have past experience in an Aeronca Champ (7BCM, 85 HP) and
Super Cub (PA18, 125 HP). I am presently receiving currency
instruction in a Super Decathlon. I expect that I will also have
some experience in a Citabria and a Little Toot Biplane by the time
N914XL will be ready to fly.
Somewhere along the way, I'm going to do a first flight in my Europa
Monowheel. Whether someone else flies it first or not, I'm still
going to have to do a first flight of my own. I'd sure like to have
some decent instruction or experience first.
If you are willing to provide transition training, but aren't ready
to let the whole Europa world know, contact me off-line by phone or
personal e-mail. If you don't want publicity, I promise not to tell
anyone about you.
Good building and great flying to all,
Bob Borger
rlborger@mac.com
817-992-1117
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| Subject: | Re: Transition Training for Monowheel Builders |
Just my unworthy 2 cents:
The few people I directly know who have looped their monowheels were
all very experienced pilots with non-trival amounts of time in their a/c
before their particular accidents. Somehow, I don't believe transition
training is the whole answer. Conversion to trigear or even to conventional
gear might be the right approach for some builders.
If you aren't dissuaded from flying the monwheel, at least get some glider
time first. It also is not the full experience of the Europa, but it is far
more available.
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Ira N224XS
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Hey Bob, I have an instructor who makes his living doing first test flights
on
dozens of experimentals in my area (Denver). He did the test flying, check
ed
me out and did my TW sign off. Very helpful plus a great guy! Do your
aerobatic and mountain check rides while your'e at it!
Glenn> From: rlborger@mac.com> Su
bject: Europa-List: Transition Training for Monowheel Builders> Date: Tue,
12 Jun 2007 19:41:28 -0500> To: europa-list@matronics.com> > --> Europa-Lis
t message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>> > Fellow Europaphiles,> >
OK, let's stop dancing around the subject and lay it out on the table > wh
ere everyone can have at it.> > Is there anyone out there who can provide t
ransition training for > someone about to complete their monowheel??> > If
there is, speak up please!> > This is the real issue, TRANSITION TRAINING i
n the EUROPA MONOWHEEL.> > I expect that I'll have N914XL ready to fly in A
ugust or September. > I would love for someone out there to provide me a fe
w hours of > transition training. If you are commercially rated and a CFI,
I'd be > happy to pay reasonable aircraft rental and instructor rates. In >
addition, you'd probably get a couple good steak dinners in the deal.> > I
am an instrument rated, commercial pilot. (No I do not fly for a > living)
I have past experience in an Aeronca Champ (7BCM, 85 HP) and > Super Cub (
PA18, 125 HP). I am presently receiving currency > instruction in a Super D
ecathlon. I expect that I will also have > some experience in a Citabria an
d a Little Toot Biplane by the time > N914XL will be ready to fly.> > Somew
here along the way, I'm going to do a first flight in my Europa > Monowheel
. Whether someone else flies it first or not, I'm still > going to have to
do a first flight of my own. I'd sure like to have > some decent instructio
n or experience first.> > If you are willing to provide transition training
, but aren't ready > to let the whole Europa world know, contact me off-lin
e by phone or > personal e-mail. If you don't want publicity, I promise not
to tell > anyone about you.> > Good building and great flying to all,> Bob
==> > >
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May I suggest:
Lee Omerick
2109 Oakwood Drive
Valrico, FL 33594
(813) 681-3907 Home
(813) 924-7070 Cell
Lee is ex-air force and used to work for Europa USA doing training and
demos. He does not have an aircraft to fly so you will need to bring one to
the party.
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Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 20:41
Subject: Europa-List: Transition Training for Monowheel Builders
Fellow Europaphiles,
OK, let's stop dancing around the subject and lay it out on the table where
everyone can have at it.
Is there anyone out there who can provide transition training for someone
about to complete their monowheel??
If there is, speak up please!
This is the real issue, TRANSITION TRAINING in the EUROPA MONOWHEEL.
I expect that I'll have N914XL ready to fly in August or September.
I would love for someone out there to provide me a few hours of transition
training. If you are commercially rated and a CFI, I'd be happy to pay
reasonable aircraft rental and instructor rates. In addition, you'd
probably get a couple good steak dinners in the deal.
I am an instrument rated, commercial pilot. (No I do not fly for a
living) I have past experience in an Aeronca Champ (7BCM, 85 HP) and Super
Cub (PA18, 125 HP). I am presently receiving currency instruction in a
Super Decathlon. I expect that I will also have some experience in a
Citabria and a Little Toot Biplane by the time N914XL will be ready to fly.
Somewhere along the way, I'm going to do a first flight in my Europa
Monowheel. Whether someone else flies it first or not, I'm still going to
have to do a first flight of my own. I'd sure like to have some decent
instruction or experience first.
If you are willing to provide transition training, but aren't ready to let
the whole Europa world know, contact me off-line by phone or personal
e-mail. If you don't want publicity, I promise not to tell anyone about
you.
Good building and great flying to all,
Bob Borger
rlborger@mac.com
817-992-1117
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