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1. 07:56 AM - Woodcomp SR3000/3 propeller (Fergus Kyle)
2. 08:04 AM - woodcomp propellers (Fergus Kyle)
3. 08:36 AM - Re: builder test flying his own creation? (Niels Kock)
4. 09:32 AM - Re: builder test flying his own creation? (Niels Kock)
5. 09:39 AM - Re: Re: Transition Training for Monowheel Builders (Niels Kock)
6. 09:57 AM - Re: Transition Training for Monowheel Builders (Jeff B)
7. 10:39 AM - Re: woodcomp propellers (Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com)
8. 10:44 AM - Re: woodcomp propellers (Karl Heindl)
9. 11:24 AM - Re: builder test flying his own creation? (Mike Gregory)
10. 02:35 PM - Re: builder test flying his own creation? (karelvranken)
11. 02:38 PM - Re: builder test flying his own creation? (Andrew Sarangan)
12. 03:06 PM - 6 Nations Tour (David Joyce)
13. 03:15 PM - William (David Joyce)
14. 03:30 PM - Re: builder test flying his own creation? (karelvranken)
15. 06:16 PM - Re: builder test flying his own creation? ()
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| Subject: | Woodcomp SR3000/3 propeller |
Cheers!
The title item is ready for installation, - but first it's about
putting the dials on the panel. These are pre-wired and so planning demands
careful siting to satisfy the long or short wire runs, as found.
When it comes to fitting the dials, one small indicator came
equipped with the applicable (metric) mounting screws, but the larger RPM
controller (plastic black) box did not.......... I am not fussing over the
missing machine screws, but I DO want to know what size (etc.) they are so's
not to wreck the holes with the wrong thread.
If you have this enticing device mounted, can you tell me the
details because although I emailed both agent and factory for the details at
near the speed of light, apparently they are only reading their mail at
snail rate.
Even if they returned the info, I still have to order, pay, collect
and return home before I can continue to populate the panel.
Machine screws: four
Length:
Diameter:
Thread:
Black-anodized, roundhead, Philips-drive.
Your possible information eagerly anticipated. A formal report will
be filed with HQ in due course.
I have only two words to say, and they aren't Happy Motoring.
Ferg
Europa A064 classic 914 mono
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| Subject: | woodcomp propellers |
Hello,
A further message about my last request, regarding missing parts..
To sum up, I have emailed the firm, and so has the Canadian agent.
My email went out 06JUN07. They have not answered. I have telephoned twice
(last week) with no reply - no one home. Same again today at 1400GMT.
These symptoms are exactly the same as Europa's in 2003. .......Is
there a pattern here?
Happy Landings
Ferg
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| Subject: | Re: builder test flying his own creation? |
In principle you are right, Graham.
I am sure that you will agree with me, however, that a pilot not being able
to detect
even some small deficiency in flight-behaviour of his mount is not ready to
go solo
in the first place, even in a Cessna, let alone a home-built - which proves
your point,
by the way.
All the best,
Niels
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham Singleton" <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: builder test flying his own creation?
> <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
>
> Niels
> Certainly I recommend that pilots need to be checked out on a Europa at
> least once. My other point is that for first flight, because the airplane
> may not be exactly typical of Europas, a pilot current on type will spot
> any serious differences straight away, whereas if the test pilot has no
> Europa experience he may not notice it isn't right.
> An inspection will not reveal subtle differences in flight
> characteristics, which could be due to small variations in airfoil
> profile.
> Graham
>
> Niels Kock wrote:
>
>> But I think - if I am not remembering wrong - that Graham and Paul
>> Mcallister's poin was that the safest way was to have some experienced
>> hand at your side initially.
>> Niels
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: builder test flying his own creation? |
Karel,
I may be wrong, but one reason might be the elasticity of the outrigger leg
s.
A standard 2-wheeler taildragger need not be more direction-stable than the
monowheel, but the slightest turn of the latter will flex the outer outrigg
er, thereby, I think,
increasing the force of the turn, making it more difficult to correct it.
And the way to correct a such a turn, as we all know, is by short, rapid ta
ps on the
opposite rudder pedal, and not, as may be the natural reflex, keeping your
foot down on
the pedal, until the whole contraption enters a turn in the opposite direct
ion which you will never
get out of, until the lowered wing-tip scrapes the surface and the precious
propeller
blades emit sounds of destruction.
Niels ----- Original Message -----
From: karelvranken
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: builder test flying his own creation=3F
Mike and all,
Where are the instructors to explain why the Europa is different and diff
icult to land especially on hard runways with cross wind=3F We until now hear
only warnings. I hope there will come a discussion why it so different eve
n for a taildragger.
Karel Vranken, #447 Mono XS 912ULS Airmaster CS, only 37 hours on F-PKRL,
first flight by myself with 3800 hours half of wich on taildragger.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Parkin
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: builder test flying his own creation=3F
OK Guys,
You can talk your way around this subject until you are blue in the fac
e !!!! I am sure the sense of achievement is enhanced beyond measure - an
d it is the individual owners own choice.
But be very clear, I don't care what your experience is - but if you te
st fly your own monowheel without a reasonable amount of experience on type
you are placing all your hard work at the mercy of your overconfidence/ego
. It is entirely up to the individual.
Perhaps I am underconfident these days and I have flown a few things be
tween Slingsby Swallow thru Chipmunk on the slow side to F15 on the fast si
de, and it is very obvious to me and what has happened to different individ
uals over recent years that an inexperienced europa builder flying his own
pride and joy is putting himself and his creation at an increased risk - th
at's all.
Ya pays ya money and ya takes ya chance. (But please do not cause my i
nsurance to increase.)
regards,
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Niels Kock
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: builder test flying his own creation=3F
Hello, Tom.
You are right. The ground loop was last Saturday, and my first flight
,which I had no qualms about and which went just fine, was exacty 8 years
ago.
And your last paragraph is my point exactly, because no matter how ex
tensively your Europa has been test flown by another person, your first fli
ght will still be your first flight.
But I think - if I am not remembering wrong - that Graham and Paul M
callister's poin was that the safest way was to have some experienced hand
at your side initially.
Niels
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Friedland
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 5:15 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: builder test flying his own creation=3F
Hi Niels
I am sorry to hear about your ground loop. I don't understand your
regrets about doing your first flight. Evidently that was ok and you had
the loop problem on a subsequent flight. Is that correct=3F
If someone else had done the first flight and you flew afterward, w
ould you not have been just as likely to have the aircraft get away from yo
u=3F
What am I missing here=3F
Tom Friedland, A 079, N96V
On 6/10/07, Niels Kock <nielskock@get2net.dk> wrote:
t.dk >
Mike,
It just proves that one cannot rely on one's own experience alone
, but
should benefit from those of others, before opening one's big mou
th.
The message is that what is true for some is not for others.
regards,
Niels
----- Original Message -----
From: =22Mike Parkin=22 <mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com>
To: < europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: builder test flying his own creation=3F
> <mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com>
>
> What I mean is that
> 1. All Europas having been cleared by their inspectors will, al
most per
> definition, be
> well behaving when airborne.
> 2. I seriously doubt that an eventual accompanying flying-instr
uctor can
> prevent a ground
> loop if the builder has initiated one. The extra weight of t
he
> instructor only increases the
> inertia.
> 3. The ongoing horror stories about the proneness of the mono t
o
> groundloop are, I feel, somewhat
> exaggerated, and, what is worse, they will unavoidably add
to the
> likely pre-take off apprehension
> of the builder. Which may increase his concentration, but a
s likely
> will deteriorate his flying perfor-
> mance. And weeks or months of waiting for the availability
of a
> suitable test pilot serves
> only to increase the apprehension .
> 4. Finally, one should not ignore the significance of the marve
llous
> moment where you yourself take
> that blasted, expensive, beautiful toy, gestated, perhaps,
in spite of
> your wife's silent misgivings,
> aloft for the very first time. And,afterwards, having parke
d and shut
> down the engine, can lean back,
> shut your eyes and enjoy one of the rare moments in life,
where you
> are truly in awe.
>
>
> Niels,
>
> Just goes to show how wrong you can be. You are not the first
and you
> will not be the last. I didn't test fly my mono, but with a go
od measure
> of overconfidence in a 20 knot crosswind, it bit me also.
>
> At least you are safe and just have the embarrassment of paying
for a new
> prop.
>
> How would you now modify your previous statements -- rep
eated
> above.
>
> regards,
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Transition Training for Monowheel Builders |
Wise and true words, Ira.
Niels
----- Original Message -----
From: "rampil" <ira.rampil@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 2:58 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Transition Training for Monowheel Builders
>
> Just my unworthy 2 cents:
>
> The few people I directly know who have looped their monowheels were
> all very experienced pilots with non-trival amounts of time in their a/c
> before their particular accidents. Somehow, I don't believe transition
> training is the whole answer. Conversion to trigear or even to
> conventional
> gear might be the right approach for some builders.
>
> If you aren't dissuaded from flying the monwheel, at least get some glider
> time first. It also is not the full experience of the Europa, but it is
> far
> more available.
>
> --------
> Ira N224XS
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=118143#118143
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Transition Training for Monowheel Builders |
Hey Roger,
Put it in the air by the end of next month and fly off the 40 before the
end of August. Then you can make the Rough River Flyin. Sound like a plan?
Jeff - Baby Blue
294 hours... With 2nd Annual next month...
rlborger wrote:
>
> Fellow Europaphiles,
>
> OK, let's stop dancing around the subject and lay it out on the table
> where everyone can have at it.
>
> Is there anyone out there who can provide transition training for
> someone about to complete their monowheel??
>
> If there is, speak up please!
>
> This is the real issue, TRANSITION TRAINING in the EUROPA MONOWHEEL.
>
> I expect that I'll have N914XL ready to fly in August or September. I
> would love for someone out there to provide me a few hours of
> transition training. If you are commercially rated and a CFI, I'd be
> happy to pay reasonable aircraft rental and instructor rates. In
> addition, you'd probably get a couple good steak dinners in the deal.
>
> I am an instrument rated, commercial pilot. (No I do not fly for a
> living) I have past experience in an Aeronca Champ (7BCM, 85 HP) and
> Super Cub (PA18, 125 HP). I am presently receiving currency
> instruction in a Super Decathlon. I expect that I will also have some
> experience in a Citabria and a Little Toot Biplane by the time N914XL
> will be ready to fly.
>
> Somewhere along the way, I'm going to do a first flight in my Europa
> Monowheel. Whether someone else flies it first or not, I'm still
> going to have to do a first flight of my own. I'd sure like to have
> some decent instruction or experience first.
>
> If you are willing to provide transition training, but aren't ready to
> let the whole Europa world know, contact me off-line by phone or
> personal e-mail. If you don't want publicity, I promise not to tell
> anyone about you.
>
> Good building and great flying to all,
> Bob Borger
> rlborger@mac.com
> 817-992-1117
>
>
> 269.8.15/847 - Release Date: 6/12/2007 9:42 PM
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: woodcomp propellers |
Ferg,
I think its more likely that they have closed for vacation, or perhaps
Jiri is away.
If you don't get the info sooner, I will check this weekend and see what
bolts have been used on my controller.
I've got a selection of brass instrument mounting screws and also some of
the quick mount instrument backing plates from Aircraft Spruce, if you get
desperate for a solution.
Dave
"Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
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Europa-List: woodcomp propellers
Hello,
A further message about my last request, regarding
missing parts..
To sum up, I have emailed the firm, and so has the
Canadian agent.
My email went out 06JUN07. They have not answered. I have telephoned twice
(last week) with no reply - no one home. Same again today at 1400GMT.
These symptoms are exactly the same as Europa's in 2003.
.......Is
there a pattern here?
Happy Landings
Ferg
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| Subject: | woodcomp propellers |
No, Ferg, there is no pattern. I think I mentioned the after sales service
to you. I recently needed one replacement brush, which I had broken. He was
going to post it 'immediately'. It arrived 4 weeks later, it was posted 7
days earlier. I can give you a dozen more examples. Also, emails get
conveniently 'lost'.
One of their problems is this : they export to about 40 different countries,
but there is only one guy who can communicate in English, but only if he is
there. The guy in BC is completely useless.
Karl
>From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
>To: "EUROPALIST" <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Europa-List: woodcomp propellers
>Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 11:03:41 -0400
>
>
>Hello,
> A further message about my last request, regarding missing parts..
> To sum up, I have emailed the firm, and so has the Canadian agent.
>My email went out 06JUN07. They have not answered. I have telephoned twice
>(last week) with no reply - no one home. Same again today at 1400GMT.
> These symptoms are exactly the same as Europa's in 2003. .......Is
>there a pattern here?
>Happy Landings
>Ferg
>
>
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| Subject: | builder test flying his own creation? |
Hello Karel,
While it will not provide a complete answer to your question, I believe a
number of points made in the attached article on handling the monowheel
Europa may help to explain some of the reasons why the aircraft is different
and how its handling should be approached.
This article was prepared for Europa Flyer No 37, June-August 2003, but I'm
happy to provide it here as helpful safety material to everyone on the List,
not just those who are members of the Europa Club.
While the UK PFA coaching scheme is available only to members of the PFA,
the concept of qualified instructors providing coaching at reasonable cost
on homebuilt aircraft is universally applicable - the difficulty of
obtaining a suitable aircraft can usually be overcome by making an appeal on
the List.
Best regards
Mike Gregory
Europa Club Safety Officer
safety@europaclub.org.uk
_____
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of karelvranken
Sent: 12 June 2007 18:58
Subject: Re: Europa-List: builder test flying his own creation?
Mike and all,
Where are the instructors to explain why the Europa is different and
difficult to land especially on hard runways with cross wind? We until now
hear only warnings. I hope there will come a discussion why it so different
even for a taildragger.
Karel Vranken, #447 Mono XS 912ULS Airmaster CS, only 37 hours on F-PKRL,
first flight by myself with 3800 hours half of wich on taildragger.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Parkin <mailto:mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: builder test flying his own creation?
OK Guys,
You can talk your way around this subject until you are blue in the face
!!!! I am sure the sense of achievement is enhanced beyond measure - and
it is the individual owners own choice.
But be very clear, I don't care what your experience is - but if you test
fly your own monowheel without a reasonable amount of experience on type you
are placing all your hard work at the mercy of your overconfidence/ego. It
is entirely up to the individual.
Perhaps I am underconfident these days and I have flown a few things between
Slingsby Swallow thru Chipmunk on the slow side to F15 on the fast side, and
it is very obvious to me and what has happened to different individuals over
recent years that an inexperienced europa builder flying his own pride and
joy is putting himself and his creation at an increased risk - that's all.
Ya pays ya money and ya takes ya chance. (But please do not cause my
insurance to increase.)
regards,
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: builder test flying his own creation? |
Niels,
Maybe you are wright. I have to read your explanation five times more
trying to understand what you realy mean. I also think there is more
than the outriggers in question with a groundloop.
Karel Vranken # 447 F-PKRL (I forgot to mention that I also have some
2500 hours of gliding experience)
----- Original Message -----
From: Niels Kock
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: builder test flying his own creation?
Karel,
I may be wrong, but one reason might be the elasticity of the
outrigger legs.
A standard 2-wheeler taildragger need not be more direction-stable
than the
monowheel, but the slightest turn of the latter will flex the outer
outrigger, thereby, I think,
increasing the force of the turn, making it more difficult to correct
it.
And the way to correct a such a turn, as we all know, is by short,
rapid taps on the
opposite rudder pedal, and not, as may be the natural reflex, keeping
your foot down on
the pedal, until the whole contraption enters a turn in the opposite
direction which you will never
get out of, until the lowered wing-tip scrapes the surface and the
precious propeller
blades emit sounds of destruction.
Niels ----- Original Message -----
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| Subject: | builder test flying his own creation? |
This is a fantastic writeup. Thanks for posting it.
--- Mike Gregory <m.j.gregory@talk21.com> wrote:
> Hello Karel,
>
>
>
> While it will not provide a complete answer to your question, I
> believe a
> number of points made in the attached article on handling the
> monowheel
> Europa may help to explain some of the reasons why the aircraft is
> different
> and how its handling should be approached.
>
>
>
> This article was prepared for Europa Flyer No 37, June-August 2003,
> but I'm
> happy to provide it here as helpful safety material to everyone on
> the List,
> not just those who are members of the Europa Club.
>
>
>
> While the UK PFA coaching scheme is available only to members of the
> PFA,
> the concept of qualified instructors providing coaching at reasonable
> cost
> on homebuilt aircraft is universally applicable - the difficulty of
> obtaining a suitable aircraft can usually be overcome by making an
> appeal on
> the List.
>
>
>
> Best regards
>
>
>
> Mike Gregory
>
> Europa Club Safety Officer
>
> safety@europaclub.org.uk
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> karelvranken
> Sent: 12 June 2007 18:58
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: builder test flying his own creation?
>
>
>
> Mike and all,
>
> Where are the instructors to explain why the Europa is different and
> difficult to land especially on hard runways with cross wind? We
> until now
> hear only warnings. I hope there will come a discussion why it so
> different
> even for a taildragger.
>
> Karel Vranken, #447 Mono XS 912ULS Airmaster CS, only 37 hours on
> F-PKRL,
> first flight by myself with 3800 hours half of wich on taildragger.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Mike Parkin <mailto:mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com>
>
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 11:17 PM
>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: builder test flying his own creation?
>
>
>
> OK Guys,
>
>
>
> You can talk your way around this subject until you are blue in the
> face
> !!!! I am sure the sense of achievement is enhanced beyond measure
> - and
> it is the individual owners own choice.
>
>
>
> But be very clear, I don't care what your experience is - but if you
> test
> fly your own monowheel without a reasonable amount of experience on
> type you
> are placing all your hard work at the mercy of your
> overconfidence/ego. It
> is entirely up to the individual.
>
>
>
> Perhaps I am underconfident these days and I have flown a few things
> between
> Slingsby Swallow thru Chipmunk on the slow side to F15 on the fast
> side, and
> it is very obvious to me and what has happened to different
> individuals over
> recent years that an inexperienced europa builder flying his own
> pride and
> joy is putting himself and his creation at an increased risk - that's
> all.
>
>
>
> Ya pays ya money and ya takes ya chance. (But please do not cause my
> insurance to increase.)
>
>
>
> regards,
>
>
>
> Mike
>
>
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All those who have expressed an opinion agree that William Mills would have
wanted us to continue flying so I am planning for the 6 Nations tour to go
ahead, but with dates slightly modified from those previously advertised. I
now plan starting two days later than advertised on Saturday 23 June, and to
finish on or by Sunday 1st July. The start date clashes with the AGM, with
apologies! At the moment we look like being a pretty select group of three
aeroplanes. Anyone interested in joining contact me by email or tel 01454
260542
Regards, David Joyce
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For those thinking of attending William's funeral, the address of Gwent
Crematorium is:
Treherbert Road
Croesyceiliog
Cwmbran
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| Subject: | Re: builder test flying his own creation? |
Mike,
Thank you for the reminder. And thanks again to John Brownlow. Special
attention must be given to the few words about keeping the rudder
neutral by touch down. This is not evident by serious cross winds. Also
keeping the speed as low as 55 kts over the figures is important. Than,
as I observed many times, the tailwheel is touching first. This means
that the direction and corrections come from both rudder and tailwheel.
An instant earlier you are correcting direction only by rudder and
airflow. I think the difficulty in the learning process is to apply the
correct dose at the correct moment.
My two cents...
Karel Vranken, # 447 F-PKRL, still scrupulous to keep it straight.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Gregory
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 8:21 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: builder test flying his own creation?
Hello Karel,
While it will not provide a complete answer to your question, I
believe a number of points made in the attached article on handling the
monowheel Europa may help to explain some of the reasons why the
aircraft is different and how its handling should be approached.
This article was prepared for Europa Flyer No 37, June-August 2003,
but I'm happy to provide it here as helpful safety material to everyone
on the List, not just those who are members of the Europa Club.
While the UK PFA coaching scheme is available only to members of the
PFA, the concept of qualified instructors providing coaching at
reasonable cost on homebuilt aircraft is universally applicable - the
difficulty of obtaining a suitable aircraft can usually be overcome by
making an appeal on the List.
Best regards
Mike Gregory
Europa Club Safety Officer
safety@europaclub.org.uk
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
karelvranken
Sent: 12 June 2007 18:58
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: builder test flying his own creation?
Mike and all,
Where are the instructors to explain why the Europa is different and
difficult to land especially on hard runways with cross wind? We until
now hear only warnings. I hope there will come a discussion why it so
different even for a taildragger.
Karel Vranken, #447 Mono XS 912ULS Airmaster CS, only 37 hours on
F-PKRL, first flight by myself with 3800 hours half of wich on
taildragger.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Parkin
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: builder test flying his own creation?
OK Guys,
You can talk your way around this subject until you are blue in the
face !!!! I am sure the sense of achievement is enhanced beyond
measure - and it is the individual owners own choice.
But be very clear, I don't care what your experience is - but if you
test fly your own monowheel without a reasonable amount of experience on
type you are placing all your hard work at the mercy of your
overconfidence/ego. It is entirely up to the individual.
Perhaps I am underconfident these days and I have flown a few things
between Slingsby Swallow thru Chipmunk on the slow side to F15 on the
fast side, and it is very obvious to me and what has happened to
different individuals over recent years that an inexperienced europa
builder flying his own pride and joy is putting himself and his creation
at an increased risk - that's all.
Ya pays ya money and ya takes ya chance. (But please do not cause
my insurance to increase.)
regards,
Mike
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| Subject: | builder test flying his own creation? |
Reading Andys comment Europa Flyer No 37:
"With the wheel in contact with the ground any yaw resulting in a
direction change will cause a roll in the opposite direction, therefore
the opposite aileron input will be needed compared to that in flight.
Better to concentrate on maintaining directional control."
I don't quite understand what he is saying about roll.
I understand directional control is paramount.
If left yaw begins, "Right now" correction is needed with right rudder.
Is he saying that although right rudder will be needed to correct left
yaw, a bit of left aileron (opposite aileron compared to rudder input) is
needed to level wings?
Ron Parigoris
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