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Thu 06/14/07


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     1. 12:18 AM - Re: builder test flying his own creation? (glenn crowder)
     2. 12:18 AM - Re: builder test flying his own creation? (glenn crowder)
     3. 12:21 AM - Re: builder test flying his own creation? (Jos Okhuijsen)
     4. 01:35 AM - Re: builder test flying his own creation? (Peter Jeffers)
     5. 02:58 AM - Re: Re : G-HOFC (Michel AUVRAY)
     6. 03:30 AM - Monowheel Trailer winch (roddyeuropa@aol.com)
     7. 03:32 AM - Re: builder test flying his own creation? (karelvranken)
     8. 05:48 AM - Re: FW: Monowheel Trailer (Tom Friedland)
     9. 07:27 AM - Re: builder test flying his own creation? (Fred Klein)
    10. 08:24 AM - Re: Re: Woodcomp propeller controls (nigel charles)
    11. 12:39 PM - Re: builder test flying his own creation? (Niels Kock)
    12. 01:17 PM - Re : Re : G-HOFC (NEEL Jean Philippe)
    13. 02:12 PM - Re: 6 Nations Tour (UVTReith@aol.com)
    14. 02:56 PM - Re: William and Paul (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
    15. 03:24 PM - Re: William and Paul (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
    16. 04:27 PM - Re: builder test flying his own creation? (Graham Singleton)
    17. 06:05 PM - Tail Tiedown Bolt (Troy Maynor)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:18:13 AM PST US
    From: glenn crowder <gcrowder2@hotmail.com>
    Subject: builder test flying his own creation?
    Hi Ron - it is common in all the taildraggers I've flown that application of the ailerons on the ground will result in a yaw in the opposite direction. This effect is more dramatic on some, less on others but is very typical. Not unique to the mo nowheel. I was taught that when entering a ground loop situation, always hold the ailerons fully in the direction of the yaw and this will prevent or minimize the pot ential ground loop. I really don't think the mono is any better or worse than any other TD in this regard. Glenn> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 01:12:15 +0000> To: europa-list@matronics.com> Subject: RE: Europa-List: b uilder test flying his own creation?> From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us> > - ndys comment Europa Flyer No 37:> > "With the wheel in contact with the gro und any yaw resulting in a> direction change will cause a roll in the oppos ite direction, therefore> the opposite aileron input will be needed compare d to that in flight.> Better to concentrate on maintaining directional cont rol."> > I don't quite understand what he is saying about roll.> > I unders tand directional control is paramount.> > If left yaw begins, "Right now" c orrection is needed with right rudder.> > Is he saying that although right rudder will be needed to correct left> yaw, a bit of left aileron (opposite aileron compared to rudder input) is> needed to level wings?> > Ron Parigo ===============> > > _________________________________________________________________ Make every IM count. Download Windows Live Messenger and join the i=92m Ini tiative now. It=92s free.-- http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGWL_June07


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    Time: 12:18:13 AM PST US
    From: glenn crowder <gcrowder2@hotmail.com>
    Subject: builder test flying his own creation?
    Hi Ron - it is common in all the taildraggers I've flown that application of the ailerons on the ground will result in a yaw in the opposite direction. This effect is more dramatic on some, less on others but is very typical. Not unique to the mo nowheel. I was taught that when entering a ground loop situation, always hold the ailerons fully in the direction of the yaw and this will prevent or minimize the pot ential ground loop. I really don't think the mono is any better or worse than any other TD in this regard. Glenn> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 01:12:15 +0000> To: europa-list@matronics.com> Subject: RE: Europa-List: b uilder test flying his own creation?> From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us> > - ndys comment Europa Flyer No 37:> > "With the wheel in contact with the gro und any yaw resulting in a> direction change will cause a roll in the oppos ite direction, therefore> the opposite aileron input will be needed compare d to that in flight.> Better to concentrate on maintaining directional cont rol."> > I don't quite understand what he is saying about roll.> > I unders tand directional control is paramount.> > If left yaw begins, "Right now" c orrection is needed with right rudder.> > Is he saying that although right rudder will be needed to correct left> yaw, a bit of left aileron (opposite aileron compared to rudder input) is> needed to level wings?> > Ron Parigo ===============> > > _________________________________________________________________ Play free games, earn tickets, get cool prizes! Join Live Search Club.- http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_wlmailtextlink


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    Time: 12:21:15 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: builder test flying his own creation?
    From: "Jos Okhuijsen" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
    Ah, that's one i found out while taxiing. In my words then: For instance in a left turn, the plane rocks over to the right, leaning hard on the outrigger. With the aileron the noise on the tarmac is less, and the fuse stays better upright. Regards, Jos Okhuijsen http://www.europaowners.org/kit600


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    Time: 01:35:18 AM PST US
    From: "Peter Jeffers" <pjeffers@talktalk.net>
    Subject: builder test flying his own creation?
    Ron, What Andy is saying is that it is important, neigh essential, that the wings are kept level when the aircraft is on the ground. Remember that all other conventional tail draggers are kept this way by the u/carriage and in general only ground loop when pilots do not correct yaw with rudder. The Europa is different because it will roll as it yaws. Most pilots are not used to using aileron during ground rolls prior to lift of and after touchdown. If the Europa develops a yaw to the right say, it will, if you do nothing about it, roll over onto the left outrigger. Due to the high centre of gravity of the loaded aircraft, as the yaw increases the rolling effect toward the left outrigger increases. Very soon after this the left wingtip touches the ground and the rest is history (many times demonstrated) To prevent a dangerous yawing excursion developing it is necessary firstly to keep the wings parallel to the ground. Hence as a yaw to the right becomes apparent, although you are going to apply left rudder to correct the yaw, you will also need right aileron for a while to pick up the down going wing. IE as Andy says, use the controls in the opposite sense to that in flight. Only if the wings can be kept reasonably level at all times will ground looping be avoided. The greatest cause of a yaw developing in the first instance is touching down with the tail wheel offset from straight. If you do, it immediately throws in a significant yawing force which is not easy to correct. Kicking off drift and then centering the rudder immediately prior to ground contact is therefore essential. The greater the crosswind the greater the drift that needs to be removed and the greater likelihood of not getting it quite right. Hence the cross wind limits I would recommend for early flights of not more than 7kts from the left and 10kts from the right(Rotax912/914 powered aircraft). I would also apply the same limits to the take off. Looking well ahead in the flare to some point slightly to the left of the runway centre line will help to reduce the tendency to align the cowling centre with the runway centre line. I submit these comments as a Europa pilot of some 850hrs Mono and 350 hrs Trigear. I have also sat with and converted many other Europa owner/pilots in my capacity as PFA CRI. Oh yes and by the way I have ground looped a Europa myself. A long time ago but I have vivid memories. Pete Jeffers -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-serve r@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us Sent: 14 June 2007 02:12 Subject: RE: Europa-List: builder test flying his own creation? Reading Andys comment Europa Flyer No 37: "With the wheel in contact with the ground any yaw resulting in a direction change will cause a roll in the opposite direction, therefore the opposite aileron input will be needed compared to that in flight. Better to concentrate on maintaining directional control." I don't quite understand what he is saying about roll. I understand directional control is paramount. If left yaw begins, "Right now" correction is needed with right rudder. Is he saying that although right rudder will be needed to correct left yaw, a bit of left aileron (opposite aileron compared to rudder input) is needed to level wings? Ron Parigoris 21:42 21:42


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    Time: 02:58:29 AM PST US
    From: "Michel AUVRAY" <mau11@free.fr>
    Subject: G-HOFC
    Salut Jean Philippe, J'ai lu qu'il y avait eu un accident en GB. As tu eu des dtails techiques sur ce qui s'est pass? car ayant pris le train en marche, (pas souvent connect) je n'ai pas compris grand chose sauf qu'il y avait eu 2 morts. Merci de me renseigner. Je repasse cot de Grenoble dans 4 jours (en Pilatus). A+ Michel Auvray -----Message d'origine----- De : owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]De la part de NEEL Jean Philippe Envoy : dimanche 3 juin 2007 08:15 : europa-list@matronics.com Objet : Re : Europa-List: G-HOFC Bonjour David Peux tu temoigner de ma part aupres de mes amis aviateurs Anglais la tristesse que je rescents l'annonce de la mort de Willam. Je me souviens encore de votre venue ici Grenoble et des bons moments passs ensemble. C'est toute la communaut des aviateurs qui est frappe de tristesse. Amitis Jean Philippe ----- Message d'origine ---- De : David Joyce <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> : Europa list <europa-list@matronics.com> Envoy le : Samedi, 2 Juin 2007, 19h12mn 20s Objet : Europa-List: G-HOFC <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> I am sorry to say that Welsh BBC news on line is now naming the two pilots ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail


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    Time: 03:30:48 AM PST US
    Subject: Monowheel Trailer winch
    From: roddyeuropa@aol.com
    I couldn't find enough space to put the winch directly in line with the centre of the trailer as the tailwheel comes almost up to the tow hitch. I mounted a boat winch on the metal tube on the side of the trailer, near the wing support, and then attached a pulley to a bracket held on with the bolts that attach the tow hitch to the trailer.? So the winch rope goes? through? 180 degrees. Works well. Roddy Kesterton #220 Tom, ? Do you have any pics of how you set up and use your winch? ? Steve N42AH ________________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE AOL Email account with 2GB of storage. Plus, share and store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from your favourite artists. Find out more at http://info.aol.co.uk/joinnow/?ncid=548.


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    Time: 03:32:21 AM PST US
    From: "karelvranken" <karelvranken@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: builder test flying his own creation?
    Peter, Clear and comprehensif. I only will ad that grass is more forgiving than hard runways hence a tip for beginners. Thank you, Karel Vranken, # 447 F-PKRL. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Jeffers" <pjeffers@talktalk.net> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 10:26 AM Subject: RE: Europa-List: builder test flying his own creation? > > Ron, > > What Andy is saying is that it is important, neigh essential, that the > wings > are kept level when the aircraft is on the ground. Remember that all > other > conventional tail draggers are kept this way by the u/carriage and in > general only ground loop when pilots do not correct yaw with rudder. The > Europa is different because it will roll as it yaws. Most pilots are not > used to using aileron during ground rolls prior to lift of and after > touchdown. > > If the Europa develops a yaw to the right say, it will, if you do nothing > about it, roll over onto the left outrigger. Due to the high centre of > gravity of the loaded aircraft, as the yaw increases the rolling effect > toward the left outrigger increases. Very soon after this the left wingtip > touches the ground and the rest is history (many times demonstrated) > > To prevent a dangerous yawing excursion developing it is necessary > firstly > to keep the wings parallel to the ground. Hence as a yaw to the right > becomes apparent, although you are going to apply left rudder to correct > the > yaw, you will also need right aileron for a while to pick up the down > going > wing. IE as Andy says, use the controls in the opposite sense to that in > flight. > > Only if the wings can be kept reasonably level at all times will ground > looping be avoided. > > The greatest cause of a yaw developing in the first instance is touching > down with the tail wheel offset from straight. If you do, it immediately > throws in a significant yawing force which is not easy to correct. Kicking > off drift and then centering the rudder immediately prior to ground > contact > is therefore essential. The greater the crosswind the greater the drift > that needs to be removed and the greater likelihood of not getting it > quite > right. Hence the cross wind limits I would recommend for early flights of > not more than 7kts from the left and 10kts from the right(Rotax912/914 > powered aircraft). I would also apply the same limits to the take off. > > Looking well ahead in the flare to some point slightly to the left of the > runway centre line will help to reduce the tendency to align the cowling > centre with the runway centre line. > > I submit these comments as a Europa pilot of some 850hrs Mono and 350 hrs > Trigear. I have also sat with and converted many other Europa > owner/pilots > in my capacity as PFA CRI. Oh yes and by the way I have ground looped a > Europa myself. A long time ago but I have vivid memories. > > Pete Jeffers


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    Time: 05:48:33 AM PST US
    From: "Tom Friedland" <96victor@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: FW: Monowheel Trailer
    Hi Steve I currently can't upload photos from the camera. I moved the hitch further forward which then gave enough room to mount a boat trailer winch to the main beam. It gave me just enough room and the strap from the winch holds the tail wheel securely. Tom On 6/12/07, Steve Crimm <steve.crimm@stephenscott.com> wrote: > > Tom, > > Do you have any pics of how you set up and use your winch? > > Steve > N42AH > > ------------------------------ > *From:* owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom Friedland > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 12, 2007 12:29 > *To:* europa-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Europa-List: FW: Monowheel Trailer > > > Hi Troy > > My trailer came from the UK and I had the same problems that you have. I > put a larger tire on so the ramp did not even get close to the landing gear > frame. I fixed that by making an extension fo the ramp hinge so it is was > farther back. I also put spacers on both sides of the enclosure for the > tire to keep it centered. > > I moved the winch forward and elevated it so the tailwheel can go farther > forward. It is close but works and the winch strap holds the wheel forward > nicely. > > My wings fit ok once I did some grinding so that the pin lined up and the > thing that holds the aileron control securely is in the proper location. > > I would send photos but my ability to transfer photos to the computor is > currently not working. > > > Tom Friedland N96V Ellensburg WA > > > On 6/12/07, Troy Maynor <wingnut54@charter.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > I attempted to ask this a few days ago but my mail bounced back once > > and > > > vanished the second time. I will try again. > > > > > > I loaded the fuselage on the mono-trailer yesterday for the first > > time. > > > This is a Europa USA locally built steel trailer and I have my doubts > > as > > > to whether it is the same diminsions as the current ones. I was not > > able > > > to close the ramp all the way up, but sufficiently to capture the gear > > a > > > little. I wanted to know if the wide (8") edge of the ramp is suppose > > to > > > make contact with the front of the landing gear frame. And, how deep > > does > > > the sides of the landing gear frame get captured by the raised ramp? > > > That's one issue. > > > > > > The tail wheel is hitting the tongue jack. This needs work, possibly > > > trimming the mount for the jack and making a capture device. > > > > > > When I put the wings on I noted the spars don't fit square into > > holders. I > > > think these have been changed in design as well. Can someone that has > > > their plane on the trailer take some pictures close up in these 3 > > areas > > > and post them or email them to me? I need to get the plane to the > > paint > > > shop soon. Thanks. > > > > > > Troy Maynor > > > N120EU Europa Monowheel Classic > > > Left to finish: > > > Paint,(some) interior,engine install, (some) wiring. > > > Weaverville, NC USA > > > > > > > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > * > > * > > * > >


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    Time: 07:27:12 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: builder test flying his own creation?
    From: Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com>
    Peter...thank you for your very clear and succinct post...it is a keeper for my file on landing technique! Fred A194 do not archive On Thursday, June 14, 2007, at 01:26 AM, Peter Jeffers wrote: > <pjeffers@talktalk.net> > > Ron, > > What Andy is saying is that it is important, neigh essential, that the > wings > are kept level when the aircraft is on the ground. Remember that all > other > conventional tail draggers are kept this way by the u/carriage and in > general only ground loop when pilots do not correct yaw with rudder. > The > Europa is different because it will roll as it yaws. Most pilots are > not > used to using aileron during ground rolls prior to lift of and after > touchdown. > > If the Europa develops a yaw to the right say, it will, if you do > nothing > about it, roll over onto the left outrigger. Due to the high centre of > gravity of the loaded aircraft, as the yaw increases the rolling effect > toward the left outrigger increases. Very soon after this the left > wingtip > touches the ground and the rest is history (many times demonstrated) > > To prevent a dangerous yawing excursion developing it is necessary > firstly > to keep the wings parallel to the ground. Hence as a yaw to the right > becomes apparent, although you are going to apply left rudder to > correct the > yaw, you will also need right aileron for a while to pick up the down > going > wing. IE as Andy says, use the controls in the opposite sense to that > in > flight. > > Only if the wings can be kept reasonably level at all times will ground > looping be avoided. > > The greatest cause of a yaw developing in the first instance is > touching > down with the tail wheel offset from straight. If you do, it > immediately > throws in a significant yawing force which is not easy to correct. > Kicking > off drift and then centering the rudder immediately prior to ground > contact > is therefore essential. The greater the crosswind the greater the > drift > that needs to be removed and the greater likelihood of not getting it > quite > right. Hence the cross wind limits I would recommend for early > flights of > not more than 7kts from the left and 10kts from the right(Rotax912/914 > powered aircraft). I would also apply the same limits to the take off. > > Looking well ahead in the flare to some point slightly to the left of > the > runway centre line will help to reduce the tendency to align the > cowling > centre with the runway centre line. > > I submit these comments as a Europa pilot of some 850hrs Mono and 350 > hrs > Trigear. I have also sat with and converted many other Europa > owner/pilots > in my capacity as PFA CRI. Oh yes and by the way I have ground looped > a > Europa myself. A long time ago but I have vivid memories. > > Pete Jeffers > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-serve r@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us > Sent: 14 June 2007 02:12 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Europa-List: builder test flying his own creation? > > > Reading Andys comment Europa Flyer No 37: > > "With the wheel in contact with the ground any yaw resulting in a > direction change will cause a roll in the opposite direction, therefore > the opposite aileron input will be needed compared to that in flight. > Better to concentrate on maintaining directional control." > > I don't quite understand what he is saying about roll. > > I understand directional control is paramount. > > If left yaw begins, "Right now" correction is needed with right rudder. > > Is he saying that although right rudder will be needed to correct left > yaw, a bit of left aileron (opposite aileron compared to rudder input) > is > needed to level wings? > > Ron Parigoris > > > 21:42 > > > 21:42 > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.


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    Time: 08:24:46 AM PST US
    From: "nigel charles" <nwcmc@tiscali.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: Woodcomp propeller controls
    Hi Mark Thanks for the info. >Incidentally, I am sure that the CSC-1/G would drive the airmaster hub quite happily but I don't think anyone has actually done that.< The only reason for me to do that is if I was to benefit from extra features. I already have constant speed control and the RPM display, manifold pressure display and engine hours display are provided care of my engine monitor. Prop pitch is fairly academic as I don't have the PV50 and the Airmaster provides feathering as standard. >The ergonomics of the unit are such that you can switch modes and adjust the RPM without looking at the display < Same as the Airmaster. >One nice extra that the CSC-1 gives you is that it detects when you shut the throttle (in cruise mode) and it inhibits the pitch from being reduced so that when you open the throttle again, the pitch hardly changes. So when you descend into the circuit it doesn't wind the prop back to fully fine during the descent. Not a major feature but a nice touch, nonetheless.< This is an interesting idea but as I usually do cruise descents with increased speed and partial power there is not much pitch change anyway. On longer trips I am often cruising at around FL60 and in smooth conditions I usually set about 15" manifold and increase the speed to Vno for the descent. This gives about 500fpm ROD providing a high speed descent for about the last 20 miles of the flight. If I wanted to positively hold the pitch angle with the Airmaster it is possible to select manual but this hardly seems worthwhile. I am very please you have come up with another very good product. The CS function reduces a lot of unnecessary workload with a VP prop. This has got to be good for flight safety for those with VP props who would otherwise have no access to the CS function. Regards Nigel Charles


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    Time: 12:39:59 PM PST US
    From: "Niels Kock" <nielskock@get2net.dk>
    Subject: Re: builder test flying his own creation?
    Oh, and here I thought I was very lucid, Karel! And yes, there are several more factors than the flexibility of the outrigg ers, but I am still of the opinion, that this an important part. Of course, if the legs couldn't flex under load, they would break instead. Niels ----- Original Message ----- From: karelvranken To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 11:42 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: builder test flying his own creation=3F Niels, Maybe you are wright. I have to read your explanation five times more try ing to understand what you realy mean. I also think there is more than the outriggers in question with a groundloop. Karel Vranken # 447 F-PKRL (I forgot to mention that I also have some 250 0 hours of gliding experience) ----- Original Message ----- From: Niels Kock To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 6:30 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: builder test flying his own creation=3F Karel, I may be wrong, but one reason might be the elasticity of the outrigger legs. A standard 2-wheeler taildragger need not be more direction-stable than the monowheel, but the slightest turn of the latter will flex the outer out rigger, thereby, I think, increasing the force of the turn, making it more difficult to correct it. And the way to correct a such a turn, as we all know, is by short, rapi d taps on the opposite rudder pedal, and not, as may be the natural reflex, keeping y our foot down on the pedal, until the whole contraption enters a turn in the opposite di rection which you will never get out of, until the lowered wing-tip scrapes the surface and the prec ious propeller blades emit sounds of destruction. Niels ----- Original Message ----- =5F-=========================================================== =5F-= - The Europa-List Email Forum - =5F-= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse =5F-= the many List utilities such as the Subscriptions page, =5F-= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, =5F-= Photoshare, and much much more: =5F-= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator=3FEuropa-List =5F-=========================================================== =5F-= - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - =5F-= Same great content now also available via the Web Forums! =5F-= --> http://forums.matronics.com =5F-=========================================================== -- Jeg beskyttes af den gratis SPAMfighter til privatbrugere. Den har indtil videre sparet mig for at f=E5 536 spam-mails. Betalende brugere f=E5r ikke denne besked i deres e-mails. Hent gratis SPAMfighter her: http://www.spamfighter.com/lda


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    Time: 01:17:08 PM PST US
    From: NEEL Jean Philippe <jeanphilippeneel@yahoo.fr>
    Subject: G-HOFC
    Salut Michel=0APour l'instant je ne sais pas grand chose.Je suis personnell ement touch=E9 car j'avais recu William ici a Grenoble avec l'equipe de Da vid Joyce et je l'avais emmen=E9 au Mt Blanc.Je pense qu'il faut attendre l es conclusions de l'enquete.=0AJP=0A=0A=0A----- Message d'origine ----=0ADe : Michel AUVRAY <mau11@free.fr>=0A=C0 : europa-list@matronics.com=0AEnvoy =E9 le : Jeudi, 14 Juin 2007, 11h57mn 23s=0AObjet : RE: Re : Europa-List: G -HOFC=0A=0A=0ASalut Jean Philippe,=0A =0AJ'ai lu qu'il y avait eu un accide nt en GB.=0AAs tu eu des d=E9tails techiques sur ce qui s'est pass=E9? car ayant pris le train en marche, (pas souvent connect=E9) je n'ai pas compris grand chose sauf qu'il y avait eu 2 morts.=0A =0AMerci de me renseigner. =0AJe repasse =E0 cot=E9 de Grenoble dans 4 jours (en Pilatus).=0A =0AA+=0A Michel Auvray=0A-----Message d'origine-----=0ADe : owner-europa-list-server @matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]De la part de NEEL Jean Philippe=0AEnvoy=E9 : dimanche 3 juin 2007 08:15=0A=C0 : europa- list@matronics.com=0AObjet : Re : Europa-List: G-HOFC=0A=0A=0ABonjour David =0APeux tu temoigner de ma part aupres de mes amis aviateurs Anglais la tri stesse que je rescents =E0 l'annonce de la mort de Willam.=0AJe me souviens encore de votre venue ici =E0 Grenoble et des bons moments pass=E9s ensemb le.=0AC'est toute la communaut=E9 des aviateurs qui est frapp=E9e de triste sse.=0AAmiti=E9s =0AJean Philippe=0A=0A=0A----- Message d'origine ----=0ADe : David Joyce <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>=0A=C0 : Europa list <europa-list @matronics.com>=0AEnvoy=E9 le : Samedi, 2 Juin 2007, 19h12mn 20s=0AObjet : " <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>=0A=0AI am sorry to say that Welsh BBC news on line is now naming the two pilots=0Akilled asnbsp; --> http://forums.mat ==================0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ANe gar dez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail =0A =0A=0Ahref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.ma tronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com=0A=0A ===0A=0A=0A ______________________________________________________ _______________________ =0ANe gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copie z vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail


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    Time: 02:12:29 PM PST US
    From: UVTReith@aol.com
    Subject: Re: 6 Nations Tour
    Hi David, I do not known your planned trip. But when you and the group are using a trip later on over the Baltic Sea an d when you will pass the middle western part of Germany on the 30th of June, you could eventually drop into Oerlinghausen (EDLO, 04/22 RWY-520 m ASPH, 122,175 INFO). There is at that time the annual summer meeting of the German amateur builders (OUV) with a lot of different planes. Also some Europas from German y will be there (I hope so) and the saturday will be the party evening. It's a nice airfield and you can build up a tent beside your planes or use close by accomodations. Sunday lunchtime will be than the time for flying home. It would be great to meet you and a lot of others there. Have a safe and happy trip. Bruno Reith / UVT Reith europa-aircraft.germany


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    Time: 02:56:12 PM PST US
    From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: William and Paul
    Ivor, Will you be going to William's funeral? I will otherwise post back your Twinmax. Regards, Duncan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ivor.phillips" <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 12:38 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: William and Paul > <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com> > > What can I say that hasn't already been said by People more eloquent than > me, I had known William for several years and he has been a great help in > my > Build, especially with all things Woodcomp, I was delighted to accept his > invitation last year to accompany him on the Europa trip to the canaries, > A great Guy and superb aviator, amply demonstrated by the landing at > Lanzarote with 25 knot crosswind in rain, > I will miss his friendly banter and smiling countenance, > My sincere condolences to both families at this sad time, > > Ivor Phillips > > >


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    Time: 03:24:56 PM PST US
    From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: William and Paul
    Oos, Sorry; not meant for the List. D. do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 10:54 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: William and Paul > <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk> > > Ivor, > Will you be going to William's funeral? > I will otherwise post back your Twinmax. > > Regards, > Duncan. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ivor.phillips" <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 12:38 PM > Subject: RE: Europa-List: William and Paul > > >> <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com> >> >> What can I say that hasn't already been said by People more eloquent than >> me, I had known William for several years and he has been a great help in >> my >> Build, especially with all things Woodcomp, I was delighted to accept his >> invitation last year to accompany him on the Europa trip to the canaries, >> A great Guy and superb aviator, amply demonstrated by the landing at >> Lanzarote with 25 knot crosswind in rain, >> I will miss his friendly banter and smiling countenance, >> My sincere condolences to both families at this sad time, >> >> Ivor Phillips >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >


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    Time: 04:27:23 PM PST US
    From: Graham Singleton <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: builder test flying his own creation?
    Lucky Man! Wish I had as much time airborn without an engine. Graham karelvranken wrote: > Niels, > Karel Vranken # 447 F-PKRL (I forgot to mention that I also have some > 2500 hours of gliding experience) >


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    Time: 06:05:23 PM PST US
    From: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
    Subject: Tail Tiedown Bolt
    Hey Folks, Does anyone know the size of the dual purpose bolt that many have used as a tailwheel spring mount and tie-down point? Troy Maynor N120EU Europa Monowheel Classic Left to finish: Paint,(some) interior,engine install, (some) wiring. Weaverville, NC USA




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