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1. 12:36 AM - Re: PFA Safety Bulletins (m.clews)
2. 12:50 AM - Grounding (Richard Holder)
3. 11:14 AM - MicroAir Radio (Peter Timm)
4. 11:43 AM - Re: MicroAir Radio (Richard Iddon)
5. 12:05 PM - Re: MicroAir Radio (Jos Okhuijsen)
6. 12:19 PM - Re: MicroAir Radio (Mark Henwick)
7. 02:12 PM - How can I view PFA Safety Bulletin? ()
8. 03:15 PM - Re: How can I view PFA Safety Bulletin? (Carl Pattinson)
9. 03:31 PM - Re: How can I view PFA Safety Bulletin? ()
10. 05:11 PM - Europa Incident (Bob)
11. 06:28 PM - Re: Europa Incident (Andrew Sarangan)
12. 06:28 PM - Re: Europa Incident (Garry)
13. 06:30 PM - Re: Europa Incident (Fred Klein)
14. 06:33 PM - Re: Europa Incident (Thomas Scherer)
15. 06:40 PM - Europa incident (Fred Klein)
16. 09:08 PM - Re: Europa Incident (D.Hetrick)
17. 10:20 PM - Re: Europa incident (Paul Boulet)
18. 11:08 PM - Re: MicroAir Radio (Richard Scanlan)
19. 11:53 PM - Profound sadness... ()
20. 11:54 PM - Re: Europa incident (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
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Subject: | Re: PFA Safety Bulletins |
David,
How's about a Europa Club fly-in to White Waltham, to try out bumpy runway
techniques, sometime in July/August.
We've a very large grass field,good bar and restaurant (might get a 50%
reduction in landing fees) and would be very welcoming!
Mike Clews
co-ordinator Royal Berks Strut
Europa G-OMIK
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I received the details from the PFA and the CAA today.
It was as expected.
But ...
Francis Donaldson put the following at the bottom of the
letter ...
"The measures in the new flight safety bulletins are
temporary, pending mandatory modification action which
will follow in the near future".
So hopefully the requirement to have an inspection by a
PFA Inspector "every 10 hours" will be overtaken by a
permanent fix.
Bad timing as the weather just starts to be improving. I
can see a lack of flying this summer :-(
Richard Holder
G-OWWW
High Cross
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on 07/6/13 9:38 AM, Niels Kock at nielskock@get2net.dk wrote:
>
> Wise and true words, Ira.
> Niels
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "rampil" <ira.rampil@gmail.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 2:58 AM
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Transition Training for Monowheel Builders
>
>
>>
>> Just my unworthy 2 cents:
>>
>> The few people I directly know who have looped their monowheels were
>> all very experienced pilots with non-trival amounts of time in their a/c
>> before their particular accidents. Somehow, I don't believe transition
>> training is the whole answer. Conversion to trigear or even to
>> conventional
>> gear might be the right approach for some builders.
>>
>> If you aren't dissuaded from flying the monwheel, at least get some glider
>> time first. It also is not the full experience of the Europa, but it is
>> far
>> more available.
>>
>> --------
>> Ira N224XS
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=118143#118143
>>
>> A friend of mine is wiring up his beautiful Jodel and is thinking of
installing a MicroAir radio and transponder. Does anyone in our group have
any experience with this make? Of particular interest is the performance of
the intercom, since the radio seems to be o.k. in glider installations,
where engine noise and vibrations are of no concern.
Any comments would be greatly appreciated!
Peter Timm
C-GIET
# 110,Classic Mono 912S, Airmaster
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Peter,
I have had both a Microair radio and transponder installed and working
for four years. The radio works fine although I have added a separate
voice activated intercom. The transponder does not seem to have the
range of some but generally I am happy with it. Service from Microair
has been good. I did have a small problem with the transponder in the
early days but they sent me an exchange unit FOC.
If I were building again I would also look at the Xcom radio as this has
vox intercom built in. http://www.mcp.com.au/xcom760/
Hope this helps.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
A friend of mine is wiring up his beautiful Jodel and is thinking of
installing a MicroAir radio and transponder. Does anyone in our group
have
any experience with this make? Of particular interest is the performance
of
the intercom, since the radio seems to be o.k. in glider installations,
where engine noise and vibrations are of no concern.
Any comments would be greatly appreciated!
Peter Timm
C-GIET
# 110,Classic Mono 912S, Airmaster
15/06/2007 11:31
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Subject: | Re: MicroAir Radio |
Yes, good question Peter
That is i can't find anything you wanted to know or were telling about
that radio or anything else as a matter of fact. Still i would like to
hear from somebody owning such a radio or a XCom about their experience.
Did it need any service and how did that go?
Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
http://www.europaowners.org/kit600
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Hi Peter
It will be a while till I get my Europa flying, but I fitted a Microair
radio in my CT2K and then removed it due to the electrical engine noise
coming through from the Rotax.
At the time I was chosing a replacement I decided to get a transponder as
well and now have the Filser RT (ATR600) & TX (TRT800). Very happy with
them. The Microair intercom was possibly slightly better than the Filser.
Mark Henwick
>A friend of mine is wiring up his beautiful Jodel and is thinking of
>installing a MicroAir radio and transponder. Does anyone in our group have
>any experience with this make? Of particular interest is the performance of
>the intercom, since the radio seems to be o.k. in glider installations,
>where engine noise and vibrations are of no concern.
>Any comments would be greatly appreciated!
>Peter Timm
>C-GIET
># 110,Classic Mono 912S, Airmaster
11:31
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Subject: | How can I view PFA Safety Bulletin? |
Can someone direct this Yank where I can view (or post file):
PFA Europa Safety Bulletin 247/FSB-002 dated 18.04.00
I took a look at:
http://www.pfa.org.uk/index.asp
But couldn't find it.
It was referenced in:
PFA 247/FSB-006 (how to check movement between TP04 torque tube and TP09
torque tube drive horn)
Thanks in advance
Ron Parigoris
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Subject: | Re: How can I view PFA Safety Bulletin? |
Here they are.
http://www.pfa.org.uk/Engineering%20pdfs/006.pdf
and
http://www.pfa.org.uk/Engineering%20pdfs/007.pdf
----- Original Message -----
From: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 10:11 PM
Subject: Europa-List: How can I view PFA Safety Bulletin?
>
> Can someone direct this Yank where I can view (or post file):
> PFA Europa Safety Bulletin 247/FSB-002 dated 18.04.00
>
> I took a look at:
> http://www.pfa.org.uk/index.asp
> But couldn't find it.
>
> It was referenced in:
> PFA 247/FSB-006 (how to check movement between TP04 torque tube and TP09
> torque tube drive horn)
>
> Thanks in advance
> Ron Parigoris
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: How can I view PFA Safety Bulletin? |
Hello Carl
Thx. for the reply. I was able to view 006 and 007, I am looking to view
002. Any ideas?
">> Can someone direct this Yank where I can view (or post file):
>> PFA Europa Safety Bulletin 247/FSB-002 dated 18.04.00
>>
>> It was referenced in:
>> PFA 247/FSB-006 (how to check movement between TP04 torque tube and TP09
>> torque tube drive horn)"
Ron Parigoris
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I just received a call from a San Francisco newspaper reporter asking
questions regarding a Europa XS accident that happened today in the San
Fran area. Not sure how he got my name and phone number. I did ask if
the owner was identified but he did not have that information.
I hate to hear this type of news especially following the tragic loss of
William and Paul. We are such as small family of builders and owners
that any loss strikes very close to home.
Bob Berube
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Subject: | Re: Europa Incident |
It seems two more pilots have been lost in the crash due to what
appears to be a 180 turn back to the runway. Sad to see this happen so
soon after the U.K. incident. If you google "Europa Crash Livermore",
there are several write-ups about it.
--- Bob <bberube@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> I just received a call from a San Francisco newspaper reporter asking
> questions regarding a Europa XS accident that happened today in the
> San Fran area. Not sure how he got my name and phone number. I did
> ask if the owner was identified but he did not have that information.
>
> I hate to hear this type of news especially following the tragic loss
> of William and Paul. We are such as small family of builders and
> owners that any loss strikes very close to home.
>
> Bob Berube
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Subject: | Re: Europa Incident |
Bob, as I recall Bill Stewart sold his Europa to a guy in San Francisco.
Perhaps it is he.
Garry
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 8:09 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Europa Incident
I just received a call from a San Francisco newspaper reporter asking
questions regarding a Europa XS accident that happened today in the San
Fran area. Not sure how he got my name and phone number. I did ask if
the owner was identified but he did not have that information.
I hate to hear this type of news especially following the tragic loss
of William and Paul. We are such as small family of builders and owners
that any loss strikes very close to home.
Bob Berube
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Subject: | Re: Europa Incident |
All,
This in from KGO talk radio in SFO; via Google:
TWO KILLED IN LIVERMORE PLANE CRASH
Two people were killed when a home-built airplane crashed shortly after
takeoff from the Livermore airport Saturday morning.
Federal Aviation Administration spokesman Ian Gregor tells KGO the
Europa SX departed around 8:30 a.m. and was just 200 or 300 feet off
the ground when the pilot decided to turn back. After making a
180-degree turn the plane crashed about 25 yards short of the runway,
Gregor said.
The plane erupted in flames, making it difficult to immediately
identify the people on board. The FAA is investigating.
On Saturday, June 16, 2007, at 05:09 PM, Bob wrote:
> I just received a call from a San Francisco newspaper reporter asking
> questions regarding a Europa XS accident that happened today in the
> San Fran area.- Not sure how he got my name and phone number.- I did
> ask if the owner was identified but he did not have that information.
> -
> I hate to hear this type of news especially following the tragic loss
> of William and Paul.- We are such as small family of builders and
> owners that any loss strikes very close to home.
> -
> Bob Berube
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Subject: | Re: Europa Incident |
Sad. Very sad.
http://www.nbc11.com/news/13516086/detail.html
<Thomas, N81EU>
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 5:09 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Europa Incident
I just received a call from a San Francisco newspaper reporter asking
questions regarding a Europa XS accident that happened today in the San
Fran area. Not sure how he got my name and phone number. I did ask if
the owner was identified but he did not have that information.
I hate to hear this type of news especially following the tragic loss
of William and Paul. We are such as small family of builders and owners
that any loss strikes very close to home.
Bob Berube
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\Homemade Plane Crashes, Kills Two People Onboard
KNTV-TV
Updated: 2 hours, 26 minutes ago
SAN FRANCISCO - Two people are dead after the homemade plane they were
in crashed Saturday just short of a runway in Livermore, Federal
Aviation Administration spokesman Ian Gregor reported. Gregor
said two people departed around 8:30 a.m. from the Livermore
Municipal Airport in a Europa XS, an aircraft built from a kit of
pre-made parts.
The plane got between 200 and 300 feet off the ground before the
pilot made a 180-degree turn to head back to the airport and crashed 25
feet short of the runway, according to Gregor.
There was "intense, post-crash fire and both people onboard were
killed," Gregor said.
An FAA investigator will check out the mechanical condition of the
plane, talk to witnesses and review communications between air traffic
controllers and the pilot, Gregor reported.
"As far as I know, there was no communication after takeoff between
the pilot and the tower," Gregor said.
Gregor said the pilot did not file a flight plan, which is not
required, so they are not sure of the identities of the deceased.
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Subject: | Re: Europa Incident |
After reading about the crash, I called my friend Ken Hill who flies out of
Livermore. His wife Sandy, who was sobbing, told me it was, in fact, her
husband Ken who had died in the crash. Ken was a terrific guy, former
military pilot with a lot of hours. Another terrible loss.
Dale Hetrick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Sarangan" <asarangan@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Incident
>
>
> It seems two more pilots have been lost in the crash due to what
> appears to be a 180 turn back to the runway. Sad to see this happen so
> soon after the U.K. incident. If you google "Europa Crash Livermore",
> there are several write-ups about it.
>
>
> --- Bob <bberube@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> I just received a call from a San Francisco newspaper reporter asking
>> questions regarding a Europa XS accident that happened today in the
>> San Fran area. Not sure how he got my name and phone number. I did
>> ask if the owner was identified but he did not have that information.
>>
>> I hate to hear this type of news especially following the tragic loss
>> of William and Paul. We are such as small family of builders and
>> owners that any loss strikes very close to home.
>>
>> Bob Berube
>
>
> --
> 4:01 PM
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Europa incident |
Oh my God....
Paul Boulet, N914PB, Malibu, CA
Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com> wrote:
\Homemade Plane Crashes, Kills Two People Onboard
KNTV-TV
Updated: 2 hours, 26 minutes ago
SAN FRANCISCO - Two people are dead after the homemade plane they were
in crashed Saturday just short of a runway in Livermore, Federal
Aviation Administration spokesman Ian Gregor reported. Gregor
said two people departed around 8:30 a.m. from the Livermore
Municipal Airport in a Europa XS, an aircraft built from a kit of
pre-made parts.
The plane got between 200 and 300 feet off the ground before the
pilot made a 180-degree turn to head back to the airport and crashed 25
feet short of the runway, according to Gregor.
There was "intense, post-crash fire and both people onboard were
killed," Gregor said.
An FAA investigator will check out the mechanical condition of the
plane, talk to witnesses and review communications between air traffic
controllers and the pilot, Gregor reported.
"As far as I know, there was no communication after takeoff between
the pilot and the tower," Gregor said.
Gregor said the pilot did not file a flight plan, which is not
required, so they are not sure of the identities of the deceased.
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Peter, has your friend considered the Icom IC-A200? We bought one for
Our Emeraude, it is very clear with great range(picks up a French
airfield on some days)and about 200 less than the Microair. So
impressed I've just bought one for my Mono. A radio engineer who is
helping me with the wiring is not very complimentary of the Microair.
Richard Scanlan
103 Mono
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Iddon
Sent: 16 June 2007 19:43
Subject: RE: Europa-List: MicroAir Radio
Peter,
I have had both a Microair radio and transponder installed and working
for four years. The radio works fine although I have added a separate
voice activated intercom. The transponder does not seem to have the
range of some but generally I am happy with it. Service from Microair
has been good. I did have a small problem with the transponder in the
early days but they sent me an exchange unit FOC.
If I were building again I would also look at the Xcom radio as this has
vox intercom built in. http://www.mcp.com.au/xcom760/
Hope this helps.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
A friend of mine is wiring up his beautiful Jodel and is thinking of
installing a MicroAir radio and transponder. Does anyone in our group
have
any experience with this make? Of particular interest is the performance
of
the intercom, since the radio seems to be o.k. in glider installations,
where engine noise and vibrations are of no concern.
Any comments would be greatly appreciated!
Peter Timm
C-GIET
# 110,Classic Mono 912S, Airmaster
15/06/2007 11:31
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Subject: | Profound sadness... |
I am so very sorry to hear about the Europa crash in Livermore. Ken was a wonderful
gentleman and we will miss him greatly. Who was with him? I am stunned and
don't even know what else to say at this time.
kim
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Subject: | Re: Europa incident |
Terry Seaver and Dave DeFord fly an XS Mono out of Livermore. If they
haven't posted here by the morning, I'll try giving them a call to see if they
have
any further information.
Mike Duane A207A
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Jabiru 3300
Sensenich R64Z N
Ground Adjustable Prop
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