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1. 12:19 AM - seats available (Richard Iddon)
2. 03:56 AM - Re: MicroAir Radio (Paul Sistern)
3. 04:21 AM - Re: How can I view PFA Safety Bulletin? (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
4. 04:41 AM - Re: seats available (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
5. 04:47 AM - Re: seats available (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
6. 05:24 AM - Re: Europa Incident (Garry)
7. 07:40 AM - Re: MicroAir Radio (Rman)
8. 07:40 AM - 6 Nations Tour - Sweden? ()
9. 08:09 AM - Re: Re: Europa's grounded until inspected (William Daniell)
10. 08:29 AM - Re: Europa Incident (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
11. 08:30 AM - Re: Re: Europa's grounded until inspected (Jos Okhuijsen)
12. 09:45 AM - Re: Europa Incident (David DeFord)
13. 10:45 AM - Re: Re: Europa's grounded until inspected (William Daniell)
14. 12:11 PM - Re: Europa Incident (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
15. 01:55 PM - Missing Oil (Fergus Kyle)
16. 03:54 PM - Re: Europa Incident (R.C.Harrison)
17. 05:42 PM - Re: Europa Incident (John and Amy Eckel)
18. 06:25 PM - Fuel Tanks (Paul McAllister)
19. 08:02 PM - Re: Fuel Tanks (Andrew Sarangan)
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I am driving down from Lancashire to South Wales tomorrow via M6, M5 etc
and could give a ride to anyone else close to this route who would like
a lift. If interested email me off forum
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
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15/06/2007 11:31
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| Subject: | Re: MicroAir Radio |
The Microair built-in intercom is not voice activated (VOX) and the volume setting
is via a hole for a small screwdriver in the side of the case, so it can't
be adjusted without removing the radio from the panel. It's best to turn the
volume right down and use a separate intercom. That way, because it's not a VOX
system and always open mic, you will not have to listen to cockpit noise which
becomes a pain on long flights.
I have been using the MicroAir radio now for 5 years and would give it about 7/10
for performance.
As for the transponder, I was recently warned off them by ST Aviation, I believe
they have, or have had, some sort of technical problem.
Paul
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=118833#118833
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| Subject: | Re: How can I view PFA Safety Bulletin? |
So far as I know, you can't.
The Service Bulletins are issued by PFA to UK owners (current at the time
of issue, but also reissued last week) and are also contained in the PFA
Inspector's handbooks (SPARS). But not available on the PFA, Factory or Club
websites, as you have probably found. Odd that!
Maybe someone who has a scanner could post them.
Duncan McF
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----- Original Message -----
From: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: How can I view PFA Safety Bulletin?
>
> Hello Carl
>
> Thx. for the reply. I was able to view 006 and 007, I am looking to view
> 002. Any ideas?
>
>
> ">> Can someone direct this Yank where I can view (or post file):
>>> PFA Europa Safety Bulletin 247/FSB-002 dated 18.04.00
>>>
>
>>> It was referenced in:
>>> PFA 247/FSB-006 (how to check movement between TP04 torque tube and TP09
>>> torque tube drive horn)"
>
> Ron Parigoris
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: seats available |
Richard,
If you are desperate(!) we would be delighted to share your company and
travel in greater comfort than we are used too.
We are 1mile off M42 Junction 2, which is sort of close to the M5 or
could meet closer to the M5 (eg Webbs Garden Centre car park at
Wychbold).
However, there would be three of us (AMi + Anson) so please give
priority to any others that are more convenient to you.
Regards,
Duncan.
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Iddon
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 8:16 AM
Subject: Europa-List: seats available
I am driving down from Lancashire to South Wales tomorrow via M6, M5
etc and could give a ride to anyone else close to this route who would
like a lift. If interested email me off forum
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
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15/06/2007 11:31
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| Subject: | Re: seats available |
Oops again. Not meant for the List! Apologies.
D.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Duncan & Ami McFadyean
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: seats available
Richard,
If you are desperate(!) we would be delighted to share your company
and travel in greater comfort than we are used too.
We are 1mile off M42 Junction 2, which is sort of close to the M5 or
could meet closer to the M5 (eg Webbs Garden Centre car park at
Wychbold).
However, there would be three of us (AMi + Anson) so please give
priority to any others that are more convenient to you.
Regards,
Duncan.
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Iddon
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 8:16 AM
Subject: Europa-List: seats available
I am driving down from Lancashire to South Wales tomorrow via M6, M5
etc and could give a ride to anyone else close to this route who would
like a lift. If interested email me off forum
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
Do not archive
15/06/2007 11:31
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Incident |
My condolences go out to the family of Ken Hill. I had the pleasure of
meeting Ken about 5 years ago when he was in Florida for the Sun N'Fun
fly-in. I offered to take him up in my Europa which he gratefully accepted.
We had a great flight and I turned the controls over to Ken. He was an
excellent pilot and a genuinely nice guy. We'll all miss him.
Garry Stout
----- Original Message -----
From: "D.Hetrick" <gdh@isp.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Incident
>
> After reading about the crash, I called my friend Ken Hill who flies out
> of Livermore. His wife Sandy, who was sobbing, told me it was, in fact,
> her husband Ken who had died in the crash. Ken was a terrific guy, former
> military pilot with a lot of hours. Another terrible loss.
> Dale Hetrick
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrew Sarangan" <asarangan@yahoo.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 6:26 PM
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Incident
>
>
>>
>>
>> It seems two more pilots have been lost in the crash due to what
>> appears to be a 180 turn back to the runway. Sad to see this happen so
>> soon after the U.K. incident. If you google "Europa Crash Livermore",
>> there are several write-ups about it.
>>
>>
>> --- Bob <bberube@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I just received a call from a San Francisco newspaper reporter asking
>>> questions regarding a Europa XS accident that happened today in the
>>> San Fran area. Not sure how he got my name and phone number. I did
>>> ask if the owner was identified but he did not have that information.
>>>
>>> I hate to hear this type of news especially following the tragic loss
>>> of William and Paul. We are such as small family of builders and
>>> owners that any loss strikes very close to home.
>>>
>>> Bob Berube
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> 4:01 PM
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: MicroAir Radio |
I can also vouch for the clearity and reliability of the icom A200.
Price is right, too...
Jeff - Baby Blue
296 hours
Richard Scanlan wrote:
>
> Peter, has your friend considered the Icom IC-A200? We bought one for
> Our Emeraude, it is very clear with great range(picks up a French
> airfield on some days)and about 200 less than the Microair. So
> impressed I've just bought one for my Mono. A radio engineer who is
> helping me with the wiring is not very complimentary of the Microair.
>
> Richard Scanlan
> 103 Mono
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
> Iddon
> Sent: 16 June 2007 19:43
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: MicroAir Radio
>
>
> Peter,
>
> I have had both a Microair radio and transponder installed and working
> for four years. The radio works fine although I have added a separate
> voice activated intercom. The transponder does not seem to have the
> range of some but generally I am happy with it. Service from Microair
> has been good. I did have a small problem with the transponder in the
> early days but they sent me an exchange unit FOC.
>
> If I were building again I would also look at the Xcom radio as this has
> vox intercom built in. http://www.mcp.com.au/xcom760/
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Richard Iddon G-RIXS
>
>
> A friend of mine is wiring up his beautiful Jodel and is thinking of
> installing a MicroAir radio and transponder. Does anyone in our group
> have
> any experience with this make? Of particular interest is the performance
> of
> the intercom, since the radio seems to be o.k. in glider installations,
> where engine noise and vibrations are of no concern.
> Any comments would be greatly appreciated!
>
> Peter Timm
> C-GIET
> # 110,Classic Mono 912S, Airmaster
>
>
> 15/06/2007 11:31
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | 6 Nations Tour - Sweden? |
I think it's fantastic that your group is so diligent in getting to some interesting
places in Europe. I have been staying in Bunge (north part of island of
Gotland), Sweden with my friends. They are Gert and Inger Martinsson and they
own the entire airport facility! Anyway, they are having a big party with live
music, festivities, etc on June 30 through July 1 and they have asked me to invite
you to come if you can divert to Sweden. The island has consistently good
weather compared to most other Baltic states areas and might at least be a good
alternate. The identifier is ESVB and information is available on their website
Bungeflygfalt.se (not a very sophisticated site) and there is a little English
flag at bottom right of page to click on for those of us who can't really
read Swedish....I wish I could stay here for the whole summer but must return
on 21 June so won't be able to visit with the Europa crews but I hope you all
have a safe and enjoyable trip on you tour.
kim prout
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| Subject: | Re: Europa's grounded until inspected |
Looking at the PFA rear attachment point bulletin. What is a =93tap
test=94?
I have no slop between tailplanes but about =BC between trim tabs due to
play
in the hinges (as yet unused). Is this normal?
_____
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
R.C.Harrison
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 15:36
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Europa's grounded until inspected
Ira,
With every respect intended=85.. IMHO you should be advising all our
overseas
brethren to not only check for balance but also for SLOP BETWEEN EACH
TAILPLANE (Or STABILATOR as they call them.) and ensure it is
dimensionally
within permitted limits.
Regards (notwithstanding I=92m not an official authority!)
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rampil
Sent: 15 June 2007 19:57
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa's grounded until inspected
Sorry Chaps,
That would be UK only-based Europas are grounded
Europa owners in other countries should examine their tailplanes
as suggested for balance and then go about their business.
--------
Ira N224XS
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=118629#118629
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Incident |
Here are some links to local news reports about the accident. What bothers
my wife so much is the post crash fire from what has always been reported as a
virtually non-destructible fuel tank.
_http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=local&id=5398092_
(http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=local&id=5398092)
_http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/baycitynews/a/2007/06/16/planecr
ash16.DTL&feed=rss.news_
(http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/baycitynews/a/2007/06/16/planecrash16.DTL&feed=rss.news)
Mike Duane A207A
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Jabiru 3300
Sensenich R64Z N
Ground Adjustable Prop
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| Subject: | Re: Europa's grounded until inspected |
Hi William,
You tap on epoxy-glass-sandwich surfaces. If it does not sound right, its
wrong.
It's a good method for checking delamination.
workshopcam http://www.okhuijsen.org/plane
http://www.europaowners.org/kit600
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Mike,
Ken had long range tanks, which could have been installed at the time of
the
crash. Here is a description of the tanks, which he posted about a year
ago:
The tanks are 6 gal. Evinrude Johnson "Duratank" from the local boat
dealer.
I use quick disconnect fittings from Europa and the pump is Facet 40105
from
Aircraft Spruce. The tanks are strapped to the wing tie bar for
restraint.
I last saw Ken's airplane in his garage about a year ago, not long after
his
return from a long trip, and the tanks were in the airplane at that
time.
Whether he left them there at all times, I don't know, nor can I comment
on
the crash worthiness of the tie-downs he used to hold them in place. I
am
only suggesting that the fire in this accident might not be
representative
of what is likely to happen to other Europas in a similar crash.
(Third-hand accounts I have heard of the accident say that the impact
was
nearly vertical.)
Dave DeFord
N135TD
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf Of DuaneFamly@aol.com
.... What bothers my wife so much is the post crash fire from what has
always been reported as a virtually non-destructible fuel tank.
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| Subject: | Re: Europa's grounded until inspected |
Ah ok it is what is sounds like...er... anyway I get it
thanks
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jos Okhuijsen
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 10:30
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa's grounded until inspected
Hi William,
You tap on epoxy-glass-sandwich surfaces. If it does not sound right, its
wrong.
It's a good method for checking delamination.
workshopcam http://www.okhuijsen.org/plane
http://www.europaowners.org/kit600
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Incident |
Thanks Dave. That will put my wife's (and Mine) mind at ease about the
tanks. From the pictures in the news accounts there seems to be very little left
after the fire. That would go along with the account of a near vertical impact.
As with the last incident, we should remain optimistic in our aircraft until
the official report comes out from the FAA.
Mike Duane A207A
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Jabiru 3300
Sensenich R64Z N
Ground Adjustable Prop
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By the way, the discussion of missing oil appears to have produced
some misgivings regarding tilting the motor past 40deg and negative G. There
are of course restrictions which apply, but they should be worded so that
the direction of the force of gravity is included (probably assumed by the
maker).
The water in the swinging pail is a good example and most of us
understand that but there may be some relatively new to the sport who infer
other warnings. It is possible to perform a number of manoeuvres while
keeping the gravity vector as it is in still life, vertical to the
horizontal axes.
A perfect (if not 'the' perfect) example is to be found in the
following URL, courtesy of the inimitable Bob Hoover, idol of jet fighter
drivers and on occasion the public forum...........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xp2Uc9XvmjY
Ferg
Classic 914 mono
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Hi! Mike
I guess the "indestructible" tag you will have connected is a picture in
a promotional video where a 4X4 vehicle is demonstrated driving over the
main tank.
However I wouldn't expect the same tank to resist severe heat from a
fuel fire for very long, sorry if this causes you and your good lady
distress. Methinks the relatives of those lost in the tragedy will be
long time loosing the images from their minds. My sincere condolences to
all concerned.
It is worth a thought though that Spitfire fuel tanks were situated
above and forward of the pilots legs, necessary for weight and balance
considerations! My long range tank is situated behind the aft maintank
bulkhead but in the luggage bay, it is made of aluminium and held fixed
by steel tie straps to the trike maingear webs and the rear of the
headrests ! It is gravity filled through a large tap connected to the
maintank filler and drains down utilising a Europa hand squeeze ball
activating a siphon into the main tank. It vents into the main tank
vent.
Regards
Bob Harrison. G-PTAG
Robt.C.Harrison
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
DuaneFamly@aol.com
Sent: 17 June 2007 20:09
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Incident
Thanks Dave. That will put my wife's (and Mine) mind at ease about the
tanks. From the pictures in the news accounts there seems to be very
little left after the fire. That would go along with the account of a
near vertical impact. As with the last incident, we should remain
optimistic in our aircraft until the official report comes out from the
FAA.
Mike Duane A207A
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Jabiru 3300
Sensenich R64Z N
Ground Adjustable Prop
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Incident |
I am sure you all recall Cliff and Betty Shaw died in a crash of their
Europa last July at OSH. Reports are that it was a stall/spin accident
and the plane was vertical when it hit. Friends of mine saw the plane
and they said it was shattered, but there was no fire. I had the same
thoughts as you Mike when I read the report of the recent crash. Hope
this helps you and your wife.
John Eckel, A230
----- Original Message -----
From: DuaneFamly@aol.com
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Incident
Thanks Dave. That will put my wife's (and Mine) mind at ease about the
tanks. From the pictures in the news accounts there seems to be very
little left after the fire. That would go along with the account of a
near vertical impact. As with the last incident, we should remain
optimistic in our aircraft until the official report comes out from the
FAA.
Mike Duane A207A
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Jabiru 3300
Sensenich R64Z N
Ground Adjustable Prop
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Hi all,
I recall watching Ivan Shaw's impromptu demonstration of a Landrover driving
over a Europa fuel tank.
I remember thinking at the time, wondering if it would fare as well if it
was full of liquid. I suspect that the hydraulic pressure would easily
rupture the tank, no matter what it was constructed of.
I would offer up a hypothesis that a full tank in a Europa that was
subjected to a high G load would rupture, but one that has had fuel burnt
off would have sufficient airspace in it that could be compressed and not
cause the tank to burst.
Just a theory.
Paul
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I am not sure about that theory. It is easier to crush an empty soda
can than a full one. Air is more compressible than liquid. When a full
tank is impacted, the liquid will transfer that energy to all surfaces
with little or no compression. A partial tank on the other hand will
compress until the air inside is squeezed to match the liquid. By then
the tank might have undergone enough bending stress to break it. Again,
just a theory.
--- Paul McAllister <paul.mcallister@qia.net> wrote:
> <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I recall watching Ivan Shaw's impromptu demonstration of a Landrover
> driving
> over a Europa fuel tank.
>
> I remember thinking at the time, wondering if it would fare as well
> if it
> was full of liquid. I suspect that the hydraulic pressure would
> easily
> rupture the tank, no matter what it was constructed of.
>
> I would offer up a hypothesis that a full tank in a Europa that was
> subjected to a high G load would rupture, but one that has had fuel
> burnt
> off would have sufficient airspace in it that could be compressed and
> not
> cause the tank to burst.
>
> Just a theory.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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