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1. 12:15 AM - New date for Endelave Fly-In (Gert Dalgaard)
2. 02:31 AM - Re: Tailplane Recess (Niels Kock)
3. 04:45 AM - Re: Tailplane design (Graham Singleton)
4. 06:30 AM - Re: New date for Endelave Fly-In (Steve Pitt)
5. 07:06 AM - Re: Tailplane design (Europa List)
6. 07:56 AM - Re: tailplane (JEFF ROBERTS)
7. 08:12 AM - Re: Re: Anyone going to Oshkosh? (ALAN YERLY)
8. 08:13 AM - Re: Anyone going to Oshkosh? (ALAN YERLY)
9. 10:59 AM - Re: Safety Data (Alan Burrows)
10. 11:59 AM - Re: Anyone going to Oshkosh? (ALAN YERLY)
11. 04:29 PM - Re: Tailplane Recess (Laptop JR)
12. 05:21 PM - Re: Anyone going to Oshkosh? (rampil)
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| Subject: | New date for Endelave Fly-In |
Due to bad weather, grounded ac, etc., we have decided to move the
Fly-In to September.
For details check: http://home19.inet.tele.dk/dalgaard/
IndbydelseGB.htm
Regards Gert
OY-GDS
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| Subject: | Re: Tailplane Recess |
Well spoken, Graham!
Niels
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham Singleton" <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 2:18 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tailplane Recess
> <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
>
> Karel
> yes I do. the engineering could have been done better. We have to remember
> though, Ivan was under a lot of pressure to get the whole design finished
> and sell some kits to start earning some money. Paying wages for three
> years with nothing coming in is quite scary. I have learned to accept Ivan
> for his strengths and forgive his shortcomings, without people like Ivan
> things like the Europa don't happen.I know I could not have done what he
> did, the Europa has given a lot of people a lot of pleasure. The rest of
> us can help each other to refine it and make it even more rewarding
> Graham
>
> karelvranken wrote:
>> <karelvranken@hotmail.com>
> Didn't you have the impression
>> of bad amaturisme when executing following the manuel?
>> Best regards,
>> Karel Vranken # 447 F-PKRL
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tailplane design |
Vaughn
the most stupid thing is to refuse to acknowledge mistakes, the man who
never made a mistake never made anything
Graham
Europa List wrote:
> No, I was refering to TP-4 And TP-6, but I was totally wrong in my
> thinking. Ther is no need to even continue the discussion. I am
> embarassed by my stupidity at times, this being one of them.
> Vaughn
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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| Subject: | Re: New date for Endelave Fly-In |
Well done Gert - as we sit here in England with the wettest June in 2
centuries it is good to know that we have not missed out on the visit to
your Country. Hopefully better luck in September.
Steve Pitt
G-SMDH
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| Subject: | Re: Tailplane design |
Graham,
Thanks for the kind words. It's funny how a forum member's short sentence
can turn on the light in my dimly lit, cobwebbed mind. Making the mistakes
on the forum is preferable to making them on the aircraft. The forum is
indeed a valuable resource.
Vaughn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham Singleton" <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 7:47 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tailplane design
> <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
>
> Vaughn
> the most stupid thing is to refuse to acknowledge mistakes, the man who
> never made a mistake never made anything
> Graham
>
> Europa List wrote:
>> No, I was refering to TP-4 And TP-6, but I was totally wrong in my
>> thinking. Ther is no need to even continue the discussion. I am
>> embarassed by my stupidity at times, this being one of them.
>> Vaughn
>> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
>
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Stupid me!! I knew that :)
Do not archive!
Jeff R.
A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 80 hours and climbing slowly.
On Jun 29, 2007, at 9:16 AM, Europa List wrote:
>
> Liberty XL2
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "JEFF ROBERTS" <jeff@rmmm.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 9:28 AM
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: tailplane
>
>
>> What's the XL2? Have I missed something coming down the pike from
>> Europa?
>> Jeff
>> Jeff R.
>> A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 80 hours and climbing slowly.
>> On Jun 28, 2007, at 10:34 AM, danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk wrote:
>>> <danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk>
>>>
>>> Hi All, Just been reading an article in the August Flyer.
>>> "Ivan Shaw flying from Dubai to Doncaster" and I wondered if the XL2
>>> has the same set up for the elevators (tailplane) as our Europa's.
>>> Are the elevators composite or metal? It would be interesting to
>>> know if they changed it, and what changes, if any.
>>>
>>> Just a thought
>>>
>>> Danny G-c.e.r.i
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone going to Oshkosh? |
Bob,
I am just getting emails back now, and it looks like a fairly small
group but it is early.
See you there,
Bud
----- Original Message -----
From: rlborger<mailto:rlborger@mac.com>
To: ALAN YERLY<mailto:budyerly@msn.com> ;
europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 6:49 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Anyone going to Oshkosh?
Bud & other Europaphiles,
I will be attending Oshkosh this year. Unfortunately, not flying
N914XL as it won't quite be ready.
I will plan on attending your Europa Forum.
Where will other folks be meeting during the show?
Good building and great flying,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S
http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL<http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL>
(90%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in,
Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar in,
flap drive in, Mod 70 done. Baggage bay in. Flaps & Main Gear
complete. Mod 72 complete. Instrument panel complete, except for
testing. Rotax 914 installed (for the 3rd time). Airmaster Prop
installed. Electrical complete, except for testing. Fuel system
complete except for testing. Working in - 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35
Doors, 37 Interior & Finishing. Airmaster arrived 29 Sep 05. Seat
arrived from Oregon Aero. E04 interior kit has arrived and is being
installed.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List<http://www.matronics.com/N
avigator?Europa-List>
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone going to Oshkosh? |
See you there Brian.
Bud
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Davies<mailto:bdavies@dircon.co.uk>
To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 5:43 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Anyone going to Oshkosh?
Hi Bud,
I hope to be there on that day. I look forward to meeting you.
Best regards
Brian Davies, Europa Club membership sec.
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From:
owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-europa-list-server@ma
tronics.com> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf
Of ALAN YERLY
Sent: 29 June 2007 21:23
To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Anyone going to Oshkosh?
Europa Owners,
I will be hosting a Europa Forum on Thursday the 26th of July from
4:00 - 5:15 P.M. at Pavilion 1 for all Europa Owners and intersted
parties.
My thanks to Jim Butcher and others who have helped me to come show
the flag and share what news I have as the new distributor for Europa.
I will close my shop and join you to answer any questions on how the
company is doing and any questions on construction, as I have had the
opportunity to help a few of you from construction thru flight test.
So please, bring your questions, pictures and war stories to share.
Bud Yerly
Custom Flight Creations
US Europa Distributor and fellow owner.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
Free
28/06/2007 17:57
28/06/2007 17:57
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avigator?Europa-List>
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How do I get access to the members only area of the website. Where do I get
the user ID from?
Alan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Davies
Sent: 30 June 2007 07:42
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Safety Data
Hi Bob,
Go to the members only area on the website www.europaclub.org.uk and it is
the last item on the list of data available to members.
Oh, and before anybody asks why this is only available in the members only
area, we get a lot of very strange people accessing our site and we dont
really want a detailed list of all of our worst moments available to them.
Brian
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of R.C.Harrison
Sent: 30 June 2007 06:36
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Safety Data
--> <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi! Brian
Please give me a pointer where ?
Regards
Bob H
Robt.C.Harrison
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Davies
Sent: 29 June 2007 15:12
Subject: Europa-List: Safety Data
The safety data including selected NTSB and AAIB reports are now available
in the members only area of the Euopa Club website.
Brian Davies, membership sec.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone going to Oshkosh? |
Stay Dry!
I hear it's been a bit soggy.
Bud
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Pitt<mailto:steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com>
To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Anyone going to Oshkosh?
Bud,
Regrettably I cannot attend Oshkosh this year but I wish you well with
the show and look forward to hearing good news from your side of the
pond.
Regards
Steve Pitt
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List<http://www.matronics.com/N
avigator?Europa-List>
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| Subject: | Re: Tailplane Recess |
And I add my
"well spoken" to Neils and Graham -
very few have drive and ability to do what Ivan Shaw has accomplished!
JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 in Oz
do not archive
--- Original Message ----- ) G
From: "Niels Kock" <nielskock@get2net.dk>
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tailplane Recess
>
> Well spoken, Graham!
> Niels
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Graham Singleton" <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 2:18 AM
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tailplane Recess
>
>
>> <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
>>
>> Karel
>> yes I do. the engineering could have been done better. We have to
>> remember though, Ivan was under a lot of pressure to get the whole design
>> finished and sell some kits to start earning some money. Paying wages for
>> three years with nothing coming in is quite scary. I have learned to
>> accept Ivan for his strengths and forgive his shortcomings, without
>> people like Ivan things like the Europa don't happen.I know I could not
>> have done what he did, the Europa has given a lot of people a lot of
>> pleasure. The rest of us can help each other to refine it and make it
>> even more rewarding
>> Graham
>>
>> karelvranken wrote:
>>> <karelvranken@hotmail.com>
>> Didn't you have the impression
>>> of bad amaturisme when executing following the manuel?
>>> Best regards,
>>> Karel Vranken # 447 F-PKRL
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone going to Oshkosh? |
Hey Bud,
I'll be there Sunday through Friday.
We have pip organ concert tkts down in Madison at 19:30, so we
can join you at least for the start of the forum.
Hasta
ijr
--------
Ira N224XS
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