---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 06/30/07: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:15 AM - New date for Endelave Fly-In (Gert Dalgaard) 2. 02:31 AM - Re: Tailplane Recess (Niels Kock) 3. 04:45 AM - Re: Tailplane design (Graham Singleton) 4. 06:30 AM - Re: New date for Endelave Fly-In (Steve Pitt) 5. 07:06 AM - Re: Tailplane design (Europa List) 6. 07:56 AM - Re: tailplane (JEFF ROBERTS) 7. 08:12 AM - Re: Re: Anyone going to Oshkosh? (ALAN YERLY) 8. 08:13 AM - Re: Anyone going to Oshkosh? (ALAN YERLY) 9. 10:59 AM - Re: Safety Data (Alan Burrows) 10. 11:59 AM - Re: Anyone going to Oshkosh? (ALAN YERLY) 11. 04:29 PM - Re: Tailplane Recess (Laptop JR) 12. 05:21 PM - Re: Anyone going to Oshkosh? (rampil) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:15:08 AM PST US From: Gert Dalgaard Subject: Europa-List: New date for Endelave Fly-In Due to bad weather, grounded ac, etc., we have decided to move the Fly-In to September. For details check: http://home19.inet.tele.dk/dalgaard/ IndbydelseGB.htm Regards Gert OY-GDS ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:31:09 AM PST US From: "Niels Kock" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tailplane Recess Well spoken, Graham! Niels ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Singleton" Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 2:18 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tailplane Recess > > > Karel > yes I do. the engineering could have been done better. We have to remember > though, Ivan was under a lot of pressure to get the whole design finished > and sell some kits to start earning some money. Paying wages for three > years with nothing coming in is quite scary. I have learned to accept Ivan > for his strengths and forgive his shortcomings, without people like Ivan > things like the Europa don't happen.I know I could not have done what he > did, the Europa has given a lot of people a lot of pleasure. The rest of > us can help each other to refine it and make it even more rewarding > Graham > > karelvranken wrote: >> > Didn't you have the impression >> of bad amaturisme when executing following the manuel? >> Best regards, >> Karel Vranken # 447 F-PKRL > > > -- Jeg beskyttes af den gratis SPAMfighter til privatbrugere. Den har indtil videre sparet mig for at f 1090 spam-mails. Betalende brugere fr ikke denne besked i deres e-mails. Hent gratis SPAMfighter her: http://www.spamfighter.com/lda ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:45:25 AM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tailplane design Vaughn the most stupid thing is to refuse to acknowledge mistakes, the man who never made a mistake never made anything Graham Europa List wrote: > No, I was refering to TP-4 And TP-6, but I was totally wrong in my > thinking. Ther is no need to even continue the discussion. I am > embarassed by my stupidity at times, this being one of them. > Vaughn > > ----- Original Message ----- ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:30:03 AM PST US From: "Steve Pitt" Subject: Re: Europa-List: New date for Endelave Fly-In Well done Gert - as we sit here in England with the wettest June in 2 centuries it is good to know that we have not missed out on the visit to your Country. Hopefully better luck in September. Steve Pitt G-SMDH ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:06:11 AM PST US From: "Europa List" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tailplane design Graham, Thanks for the kind words. It's funny how a forum member's short sentence can turn on the light in my dimly lit, cobwebbed mind. Making the mistakes on the forum is preferable to making them on the aircraft. The forum is indeed a valuable resource. Vaughn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Singleton" Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 7:47 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tailplane design > > > Vaughn > the most stupid thing is to refuse to acknowledge mistakes, the man who > never made a mistake never made anything > Graham > > Europa List wrote: >> No, I was refering to TP-4 And TP-6, but I was totally wrong in my >> thinking. Ther is no need to even continue the discussion. I am >> embarassed by my stupidity at times, this being one of them. >> Vaughn >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:56:31 AM PST US From: JEFF ROBERTS Subject: Re: Europa-List: tailplane Stupid me!! I knew that :) Do not archive! Jeff R. A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 80 hours and climbing slowly. On Jun 29, 2007, at 9:16 AM, Europa List wrote: > > Liberty XL2 > ----- Original Message ----- From: "JEFF ROBERTS" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 9:28 AM > Subject: Re: Europa-List: tailplane > > >> What's the XL2? Have I missed something coming down the pike from >> Europa? >> Jeff >> Jeff R. >> A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 80 hours and climbing slowly. >> On Jun 28, 2007, at 10:34 AM, danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hi All, Just been reading an article in the August Flyer. >>> "Ivan Shaw flying from Dubai to Doncaster" and I wondered if the XL2 >>> has the same set up for the elevators (tailplane) as our Europa's. >>> Are the elevators composite or metal? It would be interesting to >>> know if they changed it, and what changes, if any. >>> >>> Just a thought >>> >>> Danny G-c.e.r.i >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:12:52 AM PST US From: "ALAN YERLY" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Anyone going to Oshkosh? Bob, I am just getting emails back now, and it looks like a fairly small group but it is early. See you there, Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: rlborger To: ALAN YERLY ; europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 6:49 PM Subject: Europa-List: Re: Anyone going to Oshkosh? Bud & other Europaphiles, I will be attending Oshkosh this year. Unfortunately, not flying N914XL as it won't quite be ready. I will plan on attending your Europa Forum. Where will other folks be meeting during the show? Good building and great flying, Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL (90%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in, Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar in, flap drive in, Mod 70 done. Baggage bay in. Flaps & Main Gear complete. Mod 72 complete. Instrument panel complete, except for testing. Rotax 914 installed (for the 3rd time). Airmaster Prop installed. Electrical complete, except for testing. Fuel system complete except for testing. Working in - 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35 Doors, 37 Interior & Finishing. Airmaster arrived 29 Sep 05. Seat arrived from Oregon Aero. E04 interior kit has arrived and is being installed. 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:13:11 AM PST US From: "ALAN YERLY" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Anyone going to Oshkosh? See you there Brian. Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Davies To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 5:43 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Anyone going to Oshkosh? Hi Bud, I hope to be there on that day. I look forward to meeting you. Best regards Brian Davies, Europa Club membership sec. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ALAN YERLY Sent: 29 June 2007 21:23 To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: Europa-List: Anyone going to Oshkosh? Europa Owners, I will be hosting a Europa Forum on Thursday the 26th of July from 4:00 - 5:15 P.M. at Pavilion 1 for all Europa Owners and intersted parties. My thanks to Jim Butcher and others who have helped me to come show the flag and share what news I have as the new distributor for Europa. I will close my shop and join you to answer any questions on how the company is doing and any questions on construction, as I have had the opportunity to help a few of you from construction thru flight test. So please, bring your questions, pictures and war stories to share. Bud Yerly Custom Flight Creations US Europa Distributor and fellow owner. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com Free 28/06/2007 17:57 28/06/2007 17:57 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:59:56 AM PST US From: "Alan Burrows" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Safety Data How do I get access to the members only area of the website. Where do I get the user ID from? Alan -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Davies Sent: 30 June 2007 07:42 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Safety Data Hi Bob, Go to the members only area on the website www.europaclub.org.uk and it is the last item on the list of data available to members. Oh, and before anybody asks why this is only available in the members only area, we get a lot of very strange people accessing our site and we dont really want a detailed list of all of our worst moments available to them. Brian -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of R.C.Harrison Sent: 30 June 2007 06:36 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Safety Data --> Hi! Brian Please give me a pointer where ? Regards Bob H Robt.C.Harrison -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Davies Sent: 29 June 2007 15:12 Subject: Europa-List: Safety Data The safety data including selected NTSB and AAIB reports are now available in the members only area of the Euopa Club website. Brian Davies, membership sec. do not archive 17:57 17:57 17:57 17:57 14:15 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:59:25 AM PST US From: "ALAN YERLY" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Anyone going to Oshkosh? Stay Dry! I hear it's been a bit soggy. Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Pitt To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 5:32 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Anyone going to Oshkosh? Bud, Regrettably I cannot attend Oshkosh this year but I wish you well with the show and look forward to hearing good news from your side of the pond. Regards Steve Pitt http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:29:30 PM PST US From: "Laptop JR" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tailplane Recess And I add my "well spoken" to Neils and Graham - very few have drive and ability to do what Ivan Shaw has accomplished! JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 in Oz do not archive --- Original Message ----- ) G From: "Niels Kock" Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 7:29 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tailplane Recess > > Well spoken, Graham! > Niels > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Singleton" > To: > Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 2:18 AM > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tailplane Recess > > >> >> >> Karel >> yes I do. the engineering could have been done better. We have to >> remember though, Ivan was under a lot of pressure to get the whole design >> finished and sell some kits to start earning some money. Paying wages for >> three years with nothing coming in is quite scary. I have learned to >> accept Ivan for his strengths and forgive his shortcomings, without >> people like Ivan things like the Europa don't happen.I know I could not >> have done what he did, the Europa has given a lot of people a lot of >> pleasure. The rest of us can help each other to refine it and make it >> even more rewarding >> Graham >> >> karelvranken wrote: >>> >> Didn't you have the impression >>> of bad amaturisme when executing following the manuel? >>> Best regards, >>> Karel Vranken # 447 F-PKRL >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Jeg beskyttes af den gratis SPAMfighter til privatbrugere. > Den har indtil videre sparet mig for at f 1090 spam-mails. > Betalende brugere fr ikke denne besked i deres e-mails. > Hent gratis SPAMfighter her: http://www.spamfighter.com/lda > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:21:24 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Anyone going to Oshkosh? From: "rampil" Hey Bud, I'll be there Sunday through Friday. We have pip organ concert tkts down in Madison at 19:30, so we can join you at least for the start of the forum. 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