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1. 02:21 AM - Re: Fuel filters (UVTReith@aol.com)
2. 02:38 AM - Re: Re: Safety Data (William Harrison)
3. 06:32 AM - AAIB vs NTSB reports of Europa events (rampil)
4. 07:24 AM - Re: AAIB vs NTSB reports of Europa events (Steve Pitt)
5. 07:38 AM - Re: AAIB vs NTSB reports of Europa events (James)
6. 07:45 AM - Re: Re: Anyone going to Oshkosh? (ALAN YERLY)
7. 09:30 AM - Re: XS Tailwheel and rudder stop (josok)
8. 10:16 AM - Re: Europa Club member login details (former memsec)
9. 10:37 AM - Re: AAIB vs NTSB reports of Europa events (rampil)
10. 11:00 AM - Re: Re: AAIB vs NTSB reports of Europa events (James)
11. 12:19 PM - Re: Re: AAIB vs NTSB reports of Europa events (glenn crowder)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel filters |
The best material for both is PTFE (Polytetrafluorethylen), also known as
Teflon, Fluon, Hostafon TF, Algoflon.
This material is totally resist against Avgas, Mogas, Petrol, Diesel etc.
It's available as seal rings (flat and O-ring) and also in other forms.
Temperature range from - 200 =B0C up to + 260 =B0C.
We use it for sealings on ball valves, needle valves etc. from - 100 =B0C to
+
230 =B0C
Bruno Reith
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I once worked for a consulting company which was commissioned to
design an ethernet filter (it was a long time ago). One of our more
challenged colleagues was heard to say, "I can't understand why
anyone would want to filter ether through a net anyway..."
Willie H
> <n3eu@oh.rr.com>
>
> Excuse me, but raw data re Europa accidents is freely available
> from www.aaib.dft.gov.uk/publications/bulletins.cfm (vastly most of
> the cases) and from http://ntsb.gov/ntsb/query.asp#query_start --
> both using query re Europa.
>
> Jeesh, we can competently build an airplane much more than a
> Pietenpol, post to the net re safety issues, but cannot do the
> simple "internets" keystroke/mouse-click thing? :-)
>
> Seriously, all the raw data is there. Very interesting, and mostly
> reassuring IMV, for this A/C type in hands of diligent builders/
> flyers.
>
> For those wondering about my pluralization of "internets," this
> refers to a quote by our aging, U.S. Senator Ted Stevens of Alaska
> trying to expound on his knowledge if this technology. So much so,
> Keith Olberman on MSNBC here constantly and similarly refers to the
> net as plural. :-) Our Senate is leastwise one-up on the House of
> Lords, who would never once so mis-use our non-native tongue!
>
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| Subject: | AAIB vs NTSB reports of Europa events |
I just had the opportunity to search the AAIB site for Europa events
and to contrast the metadata with the NTSB data I am familiar with.
By metadata, I am referring the size and rough outlines of the data,
not specific content.
As of today, there are 216 accidents in the UK data and 5 in the US.
I know the Europa has been in the UK longer by 4 or 5 years out of
perhaps 12 and there are approximately double the number of AC
in the UK. Those facts alone seem inadequate to explain the 40:1
accident ratio.
Is the AAIB far more sensitive to inclusion in events? There are quite a
few prop strikes and ground loops, but these would be included in the
NTSB if any damage occurred.
Does anyone have an explaination or hypothesis?
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Ira N224XS
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| Subject: | Re: AAIB vs NTSB reports of Europa events |
Ira
As a first reponse to your e-mail I would say, from a cursory glance at the
AAIB web page, that all 216 incidents do not relate to Europas (some are
commercial aircraft so why the search engine picked these out.........???).
I would also say that there also appear to be some duplications or follow up
reports to earlier reports so I do not think that the statistics are
accurate.
Nevertheless there are many reports and, again from my QNG (quick nervous
glance) the relevant reports of Europa incidents do appear to have been
accurately picked out from the AAIB and put into the Europa members site.
Why there is a numerical discrepancy between the AAIB and FAA site is beyond
this readers knowledge.
Regards
Steve Pitt
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| Subject: | AAIB vs NTSB reports of Europa events |
Hi Ira,
In the UK I believe every little thing that happens gets put on the books.
Somebody always watching and all that. Over here we have some leeway and
you can call your kitbuilt whatever you want here like the IRAR2007 if you
wish. Hence it would not show up on a Europa data search. I've had two
propstrikes and one crash (not Europa) and nothing is on the records.
Jim T.
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rampil
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 9:31 AM
Subject: Europa-List: AAIB vs NTSB reports of Europa events
I just had the opportunity to search the AAIB site for Europa events and to
contrast the metadata with the NTSB data I am familiar with. By metadata, I
am referring the size and rough outlines of the data, not specific content.
As of today, there are 216 accidents in the UK data and 5 in the US. I know
the Europa has been in the UK longer by 4 or 5 years out of perhaps 12 and
there are approximately double the number of AC in the UK. Those facts
alone seem inadequate to explain the 40:1 accident ratio.
Is the AAIB far more sensitive to inclusion in events? There are quite a
few prop strikes and ground loops, but these would be included in the NTSB
if any damage occurred.
Does anyone have an explaination or hypothesis?
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Ira N224XS
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=121974#121974
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone going to Oshkosh? |
Ira,
Your emails went to my junk box. See you there and lets figure out a
dinner plan.
Bud
----- Original Message -----
From: rampil<mailto:ira.rampil@gmail.com>
To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 8:20 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Anyone going to Oshkosh?
<ira.rampil@gmail.com<mailto:ira.rampil@gmail.com>>
Hey Bud,
I'll be there Sunday through Friday.
We have pip organ concert tkts down in Madison at 19:30, so we
can join you at least for the start of the forum.
Hasta
ijr
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Ira N224XS
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avigator?Europa-List>
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| Subject: | Re: XS Tailwheel and rudder stop |
Hi Ron,
Good idea!
With the Singleton rudder/tail-wheel system installed, the rudder-stops are on
the belcrank mechanism, not the rudder anymore. The tail-wheel springs are inside,
and i do not paint them. Pictures are in the usual place.
Regards,
Jos
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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| Subject: | Europa Club member login details |
At 2007-07-01 17:42 +0100 Alan Burrows wrote:
>Sounds like there are a few of us out here that are not aware of a members
>only section and how to get onto it.
>How about someone "in authority" explaining just how we do it
Alan - I no longer have any "authority" (not that I ever had much
anyway!) but perhaps I can help.
If you point your web browser (like Internet Explorer, Firefox, Opera
or Safari - NB Safari now available for windoze!) at the main address
for the Europa Club - www.europaclub.org.uk - you should see a page
with a sidebar for navigation and a main section containing the
following words, beside a nice picture of OE-CKD:
"Welcome to the Europa Club Web Site!
The Europa Club is a group of individuals drawn together by their
interest in the Europa kit aircraft. They include builders, pilots,
and those who simply want to know more about the Europa type.
For more information about the Europa aircraft itself, please visit
The Europa pages.
For more information about the Europa Club, please visit The Europa Club pages.
Paid-up Europa Club members may also follow the instructions to
request access to the members-only pages of this site."
Now look closely at the last sentence quoted above. On the web page,
the words "instructions to request access" are highlighted in some
way. Your browser may do things differently, but on mine those words
are blue, in contrast to the adjacent ones in black. That means they
constitute a LINK to another page. (Many web pages use underlining to
highlight links, but our webmaster chose to use a colour contrast and
bold face; this helps to avoid confusion between words that are
emphasized and those that are links.) Click once on those words to
get to the page where you can register for access to the members-only
section. On that page are instructions for the registration process;
you should read & understand them before proceeding. (The essence is
that you make up your own ID & password.)
In the above quote from the Europa Club opening page, the words
"members-only pages" are also a link. If you have already registered,
you can click on that link and get into the members-only section.
I'm sure the webmaster would appreciate advice on how he could make
the entry point any more obvious, from anyone who's been having
trouble finding how to register and access the members-only pages.
regards
Rowland
--
| Rowland Carson (former Europa Club Membership Secretary)
| e-mail <rowil@clara.net>
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| Subject: | Re: AAIB vs NTSB reports of Europa events |
Hey Jim!
Looking forward to seeing you at OSH!
It is interesting how a few things seem to skip reportage.
Like that Europa I saw cracked in half, with no report on the NTSB,
repaired and quietly shipped out of the country.
And we won't even discuss the door that had a short flight into the Everglades
;-)
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Ira N224XS
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| Subject: | Re: AAIB vs NTSB reports of Europa events |
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rampil
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 1:36 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Re: AAIB vs NTSB reports of Europa events
And we won't even discuss the door that had a short flight into the
Everglades ;-)
One of many MIA Europa doors.
Jim T.
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| Subject: | Re: AAIB vs NTSB reports of Europa events |
The door came off my plane when it was being flown by the original builde
r, fluttered
down into a lady's back yard. When she found it there, she drove over to t
he airport,
walked in the FBO with the door and said "does this belong to anybody here?
". Nobody knew anything but a week later the owner came into the FBO and s
aw it sitting behind the counter!
Glenn> From: jthursby@tampabay.
rr.com> To: europa-list@matronics.com> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: AAIB v
s NTSB reports of Europa events> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 13:58:50 -0400> > --
-----Original Message-----> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com> [
mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rampil> Sent: T
uesday, July 03, 2007 1:36 PM> To: europa-list@matronics.com> Subject: Euro
pa-List: Re: AAIB vs NTSB reports of Europa events> > And we won't even dis
cuss the door that had a short flight into the> Everglades ;-)> > > One of
===> > >
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