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1. 01:02 AM - Re-subscribe transmission test.... (R.C.Harrison)
2. 05:38 AM - Re: UK PFA news - Europa safety mods (R.C.Harrison)
3. 06:56 AM - Dynon (josok)
4. 08:03 AM - Classic airfoil twist (Creighton Smith)
5. 09:02 AM - Fw: Oshkosh lunch bunch! (ALAN YERLY)
6. 09:50 AM - Re: Fw: Oshkosh lunch bunch! (Brian Davies)
7. 09:57 AM - Re: Oshkosh lunch bunch (Robert Borger)
8. 12:48 PM - Re: Steorn Orbo free energy motor going live today 6PM London! (Fred Klein)
9. 01:37 PM - Re: Steorn Orbo free energy motor going live today 6PM London! (glenn crowder)
10. 01:54 PM - AAIB Special Bulletin (Laura Farmer)
11. 02:05 PM - Proposed Doth for William (bryan allsop)
12. 02:23 PM - Re: Proposed Doth for William (Steve Pitt)
13. 03:25 PM - Re: Proposed Doth for William (Alan Burrows)
14. 07:41 PM - Re: Dynon (Tony Krzyzewski)
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| Subject: | Re-subscribe transmission test.... |
G-PTAG
Robt.C.Harrison
Do not archive.
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| Subject: | UK PFA news - Europa safety mods |
Hi! David/Andy/Roger
Concerning Davids message below and the intentions re:- the aft wing
lift pins being replaced and retained by internal nuts...
IMHO to invade and so access the location would be less structural
disturbance (also cosmetically easier) if the access was made through
the wing to flap close out outboard of the main wing closeout/rib
thereby preserving the integrity of the upper and lower wing surfaces.
Would you kindly ensure that this suggestion is addressed and calculated
prior to finalising the access through the wing surface options?
Respectfully we were asked for contributions of ideas.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG (almost ready for flight test permit application
with the 914 now installed)
Robt.C.Harrison
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
David.Corbett
Sent: 06 July 2007 22:19
Subject: Europa-List: UK PFA news - Europa safety mods
Wearing my UK PFA Executive Committee and Europa Club committee hats, I
asked Francis Donaldson (PFA Chief Engineer, for those of you overseas
who do not know) earlier this week if he could release a progress report
on the proposed Europa factory/PFA modifications to be incorporated in
UK Europae following the tragic accident to G-HOFC. You will see
Francis's reply below.
However, before you read it, I must ask you all to consider some other
factors which Francis passed to me in a second e-mail, and confirmed by
voicemail whilst I was at a funeral this afternoon.
1 We are all aware that UK AAIB are shortly to issue a Special
Bulletin about the G-HOFC accident. Francis tells me that this Bulletin
is not expected to give any firm conclusion about the accident -
investigations are still ongoing into the very complex factors involved
- and the Bulletin will basically only draw attention to the Flight
Safety Bulletins issued by the PFA (see next paragraph). If the AAIB
Bulletin reports as normal "Special's" do, I hope that we will at least
be told publicly the scale of the damage/destruction that occurred to
G-HOFC, even if no conclusions can yet be given.
2 Some Europae, like mine, have passed the inspections required
by UK Europa Flight Safety Bulletins 006 and 007, but are grounded
because the tailplane pip pin recesses have not been built to the
dimensions in the build manual - in many cases, the dimensions are
smaller, especially around the joint between the recess and the upper
skin. Owners such as myself are obviously frustrated that we cannot fly
but, quite understandably, Francis asks that those of us in a similar
position to mine wait for the tailplane pip pin mod to come out, and do
not chase PFA Engineering for individual special attention. As we can
all appreciate, PFA Engineering have been severely overloaded by the
investigations, and the resulting mod design work involved, that arises
from this accident, and other PFA aircraft types are suffering as a
result of these pressures on PFA Engineering. This situation has not
been helped by the sad loss, to a job in Australia, of our recent and
excellent recruit to the engineering team, Kerry Ashcroft; so PFA are
short of an engineer again.
3 The proposed mods (outlined below) are currently with Europa
(2004) Ltd being formatted. There will, of course, be a lead time on the
supply of some mod kit parts - especially the longer wing rear pins
required for Classic aircraft. I will have a discussion with Roger or
John early next week to see whether they are yet prepared to go public
as to the timescale for issuing the mod kits.
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The webserver is dead, is the company ok?
Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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| Subject: | Classic airfoil twist |
We took over a project and are concerned about airfoil twist.
Measured from 3 points: LE root, LE tip, TE root all on the same plane,
the TE tip is 0.60 inch elevated (twist)
Based on the info in Don Dykins' book (constant 1.5 degree twist) and
the formula:
Twist (inches)=chordx(sin 1.5deg)
We get a spec of 1.0 in twist@40in chord. This gives us about 0.9deg
twist.
This spec gives me pause and may indeed be dangerous at stall.
Remember, we are talking about a classic wing here.
What have other classic builders discovered as their actual twist
values?
What has been done to compensate/remedy the situation?
I would hate to have to throw these wings away.
Creighton Smith
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| Subject: | Fw: Oshkosh lunch bunch! |
Subject: Oshkosh lunch bunch!
From: Bud Yerly
Fellow Europa Builders,
For those of you attending Oshkosh, it would be great to have a place to
meet and greet as well as having a contact list of those of us attending
to facilitate a rejoin. The forum is a great way to get everyone in a
discussion group, but lunch is more open and pleasant, and a watering
hole in the evening even better.
I have talked with a couple of you, and a well used method of joining up
was at the message board at about 11:30 local to form up and go to
lunch. There we could share ideas and war stories. In the evening we
could get together for refreshment to clear the dust of the day
(responsibly of course). It would be convenient if we all could list
our phone numbers and dates of attendance so we could have a handy
reference upon arrival.
Tack your name and number down on this email and I will publish a list
prior to the show.
Name Cell Dates Type Europa
Bud Yerly 813 244-8354 24-27 Tri gear
Rich Schultz 713-703-2156 21-27 Tri gear
John Banhagel 623 628-2774 21-27
Tri gear
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| Subject: | Fw: Oshkosh lunch bunch! |
You can add me to the list Bud,
Brian Davies, cell (UK) 44 792 1083 599, 25-28, Trigear (but I dont think I
will fly in :-) )
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ALAN YERLY
Sent: 10 July 2007 17:00
Subject: Europa-List: Fw: Oshkosh lunch bunch!
Subject: Oshkosh lunch bunch!
From: Bud Yerly
Fellow Europa Builders,
For those of you attending Oshkosh, it would be great to have a place to
meet and greet as well as having a contact list of those of us attending to
facilitate a rejoin. The forum is a great way to get everyone in a
discussion group, but lunch is more open and pleasant, and a watering hole
in the evening even better.
I have talked with a couple of you, and a well used method of joining up was
at the message board at about 11:30 local to form up and go to lunch. There
we could share ideas and war stories. In the evening we could get together
for refreshment to clear the dust of the day (responsibly of course). It
would be convenient if we all could list our phone numbers and dates of
attendance so we could have a handy reference upon arrival.
Tack your name and number down on this email and I will publish a list prior
to the show.
Name Cell Dates Type Europa
Bud Yerly 813 244-8354 24-27 Tri gear
Rich Schultz 713-703-2156 21-27 Tri gear
John Banhagel 623 628-2774 21-27 Tri
gear
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igator?Europa-List
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh lunch bunch |
Bud,
As per your request:
Tack your name and number down on this email and I will publish a list
prior to the show.
Name Cell Dates Type Europa
Bud Yerly 813 244-8354 24-27 Tri gear
Rich Schultz 713-703-2156 21-27 Tri gear
John Banhagel 623 628-2774 21-27 Tri gear
Bob Borger 817-992-1117 21-27 Monowheel
Good building and great flying,
Bob Borger
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| Subject: | Re: Steorn Orbo free energy motor going live today 6PM London! |
Glenn...wuz happenen?
> Steorn Orbo: canceled
>
> Posted Jul 6th 2007 7:10AM by Thomas Ricker
> Holy snakeoil Batman, The Steorn Orbo exhibition has been canceled.
> According to a press release by Steorn CEO (and lead shyster) Sean
> McCarthy, the company "will explore alternative dates for the public
> demonstration." Yeah, right. If the heat from the lights was really an
> issue for the on-site built device, why didn't they: 1) turn off the
> lights, or 2) fly in the so-called working "free energy" device from
> Dublin? After all, they still have 9 days left to exhibit. Lame.
>
On Wednesday, July 4, 2007, at 10:07 AM, glenn crowder wrote:
> - Heres the Steorn Orbo free energy motor going live today 6PM
London
> for a 10 day
> 24/7 videocast from four webcams.- The device will be shown lifting
a
> weight.
> Claimed power is .5 watt /cc, good enough for an aircraft engine!
> -http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/04/steorns-orbo-free-energy-machine-
> demonstrated-tomorrow/
> -
>
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>
> See what you=92re getting into=85before you go there. Check it out!
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| Subject: | Steorn Orbo free energy motor going live today 6PM London! |
Sure looks like a dud for now anyway! They have a pretty entertaining fo
rum.
Check out the overunity hamster!
http://www.steorn.com/forum/
free energy motor going live today 6PM London!From: fklein@orcasonline.comT
o: europa-list@matronics.com
Glenn...wuz happenen?
Steorn Orbo: canceled Posted Jul 6th 2007 7:10AM by Thomas Ricker Holy snak
eoil Batman, The Steorn Orbo exhibition has been canceled. According to a p
ress release by Steorn CEO (and lead shyster) Sean McCarthy, the company "w
ill explore alternative dates for the public demonstration." Yeah, right. I
f the heat from the lights was really an issue for the on-site built device
, why didn't they: 1) turn off the lights, or 2) fly in the so-called worki
ng "free energy" device from Dublin? After all, they still have 9 days left
to exhibit. Lame. On Wednesday, July 4, 2007, at 10:07 AM, glenn crowder
wrote:
Heres the Steorn Orbo free energy motor going live today 6PM London for a
10 day24/7 videocast from four webcams. The device will be shown lifting
a weight.Claimed power is .5 watt /cc, good enough for an aircraft engine!
http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/04/steorns-orbo-free-energy-machine-demonst
rated-tomorrow/ <image.tiff>
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| Subject: | AAIB Special Bulletin |
Hi All
The AAIB have informed us the Special Bulletin will be published on their
website tomorrow - not that it tells us anything new I'm afraid.
Regards,
Laura Farmer
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| Subject: | Proposed Doth for William |
For those who may be wondering if there has been any more progress with the
proposed Doth to recognise William's participation in the Europa scene, he
re is an update.
We will be having one. To allow working members to join in, Paddy Clarke an
d I will arrange for it to take place on the first appropriate Sunday. With
so many Europas being grounded waiting for something to happen with the pi
p pin problem, we cannot be more specific, and the days keep ticking by. We
have decided to wait until everyone is flying again before making any more
plans.
The proposed venue is Shobdon, north of Hereford. This is the a fairly cent
ral airfield, close to William's area, and I understand that Paul was a mem
ber there. It is likely that Shobdon will be offering a free landing for th
e occasion.
Regards to all.
Bryan Allsop
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| Subject: | Re: Proposed Doth for William |
Thank you Brian for the update. I would like to join in as I had been
looking forward to DOTHs now that I have my aircraft flying (well at
least before this recent grounding). Let me know the date as soon as you
are able.
Regards
Steve Pitt
G-SMDH
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| Subject: | Proposed Doth for William |
Hi Bryan
Kate and I get married at the end of July and will then be away in USA
and
Canada on holiday for most of August, but let us know when the DOTH is
scheduled to take place and we do our very best to attend if we are back
in
the country. If not we will certainly be thinking of you all.
Kind Regards
Alan
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bryan
allsop
Sent: 10 July 2007 22:01
Subject: Europa-List: Proposed Doth for William
For those who may be wondering if there has been any more progress with
the
proposed Doth to recognise William's participation in the Europa scene,
here
is an update.
We will be having one. To allow working members to join in, Paddy Clarke
and
I will arrange for it to take place on the first appropriate Sunday.
With so
many Europas being grounded waiting for something to happen with the pip
pin
problem, we cannot be more specific, and the days keep ticking by. We
have
decided to wait until everyone is flying again before making any more
plans.
The proposed venue is Shobdon, north of Hereford. This is the a fairly
central airfield, close to William's area, and I understand that Paul
was a
member there. It is likely that Shobdon will be offering a free landing
for
the occasion.
Regards to all.
Bryan Allsop
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They are back online... but no new software release yet.
Tony
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