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1. 01:12 AM - Re: Europa Tailplane - Mod 73 (Carl Pattinson)
2. 01:51 AM - Re: First flight - G-REJP - thanks to all (Alan)
3. 02:25 AM - Re: Europa Tailplane - Mod 73 (Brian Davies)
4. 02:29 AM - Re: Europa Tailplane - Mod 73 (Pete Lawless)
5. 03:08 AM - mod 73 epoxy (Richard Iddon)
6. 03:08 AM - Re: First flight - G-REJP - thanks to all (William Harrison)
7. 03:28 AM - Re: First flight - G-REJP - thanks to all (josok)
8. 04:11 AM - Re: Re: Oshkosh lunch bunch (Michael Grass)
9. 04:11 AM - Re: First flight - G-REJP - thanks to all (Michael Grass)
10. 04:32 AM - Mod 73 and 10 hourly inspections (William Harrison)
11. 05:44 AM - Re: Europa Tailplane - Mod 73 (Jeff B)
12. 07:35 AM - Re: Europa Tailplane - Mod 73 (Mike Gregory)
13. 10:05 AM - Re: Europa Tailplane - Mod 73 (Mike Gregory)
14. 10:14 AM - Re: Europa Tailplane - Mod 73 (William Harrison)
15. 11:00 AM - Tailplane Retention. (Mike Parkin)
16. 11:19 AM - Re: Europa Tailplane - Mod 73 (Mike Gregory)
17. 11:50 AM - Re: Europa Tailplane - Mod 73 (Carl Pattinson)
18. 12:37 PM - What stops the pip pin from falling out after Mod 73? (glenn crowder)
19. 12:49 PM - Re: What stops the pip pin from falling out after Mod 73? (glenn crowder)
20. 01:07 PM - Re: What stops the pip pin from falling out after Mod 73? (Jeremy Davey)
21. 03:07 PM - Re: Tailplane Retention. (Karl Heindl)
22. 05:02 PM - Re: Tailplane Retention. (R.C.Harrison)
23. 09:47 PM - Re: Tailplane Retention. (Mike Parkin)
24. 09:50 PM - test (Mike Parkin)
25. 10:26 PM - Re: Tailplane Retention. (Fred Klein)
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Tailplane - Mod 73 |
Does anybody know the exact diameter of the tailplane torque tube (ours
is circa 1994 - Kit 49).
In the absence of a torque tube I would have thought a piece of Jewsons
drainpipe built up (to the correct diameter) with electricians tape
would do the job.
With hindsight we could have done Mod 62 and Mod 73 at the same time
while the tube was out of the tailplane.
Carl Pattinson
G-LABS
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Gregory
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 1:03 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa Tailplane - Mod 73
Mike,
You are quite right in realising that Mod 73 does not need to be done
on an aeroplane if you have a tube or bar of the correct diameter to fit
inside TP 6 while the lay up is being done. This could be an
uninstalled torque tube or some other material that is a proper fit. A
note of caution: I believe early and late torque tubes were supplied
with slightly differing diameters.
The Europa Club Committee have been considering setting up Mod centres
where the necessary materials and expertise will be available, together
with an inspector to sign off the work, although details have yet to be
worked out.
I understand the PFA are considering a separate modification to the
wing rear attachment point.
Regards
Mike
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Parkin
Sent: 12 July 2007 22:31
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Tailplane - Mod 73
Mike,
Would it not be better for the club to obtain 3 or 4 torque tubes from
the factory (could be just stock tube). We could then do the layups on
the tailplanes in the temperature and humidity controlled comfort of the
workshop.
Is there still a Mod to the wing rear attachment point to come??
regards,
Mike Parkin
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Gregory
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 7:01 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Europa Tailplane - Mod 73
To all Listers
Francis Donaldson, Chief Engineer of the UK Popular Flying
Association has asked me to give maximum publicity to the attached
leaflet for Mod 73 covering tailplane retention. It will be available
on the PFA website tomorrow, and copies have been put in the post today
to all UK owners of flying aircraft, together with a covering letter and
revised FSB 006 at issue 3.
The good news is that compliance (for UK owners) is required within
the next ten flying hours or before the next permit renewal, whichever
is earlier, rather than "before next flight".
There are three steps:
1.Elongation of the pip-pin holes in the torque tube.
2.Modification of the underside of the tailplane by constructing a
reinforced pip-pin recess, except for tailplanes that are pre-moulded or
fitted with Europa Club Standard Mod 10672. Note that 10672 is not
capable of being retrofitted.
3.Placards on the top surface of each tailplane warning of the need
to ensure correct engagement of both tab drive pin and pip pin before
flight, and on the root rib of each tailplane to certify that Mod 73 has
been complied with.
Fly safely
Mike
Europa Club Safety Officer
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| Subject: | First flight - G-REJP - thanks to all |
Thanks Jeff
That's the method I have used too, but I've had so much trouble with the
cylinders sticking, not filling, needing dot5, blah blah. At least with new
cylinders I can eliminate them from the debugging.
Alan (waiting for the rain to stop)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rman
Sent: 13 July 2007 00:34
Subject: Re: Europa-List: First flight - G-REJP - thanks to all
Actually.......... :)
With compressed air, it's fairly simple. Fill the reservoir with fluid,
screw the cap on and blow air (30 to 40 psi should do it) into the small
vent hole, while someone opens the caliper bleeder, below. Watch the
level as the fluid leaves the reservoir and have your assistant close
the bleeder once the reservoir is half empty. Refill the reservoir and
repeat as necessary. Then do the other side...
BTW, I'll be using this method, soon, as I found a leaking caliper
during the latest annual...
Jeff - Baby Blue
300 hours and just installed a cabin heat system...
Brian Davies wrote:
>
> Thanks Alan,
>
> You will find the Matco brakes are a b*****ger to bleed!
>
> Brian
>
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan
> Sent: 12 July 2007 13:59
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: First flight - G-REJP - thanks to all
>
>
> Thanks Brian
>
> For the record:
>
> Build time: 2400 hours !!
> Kit: 582T
> Weight: 860
> PFA Inspector: Tony Kay
> Painted by: Murray Flint - Kings Lymm
> Decals: Paul Sistern - www.partsforaircrafts.co.uk
> Interior: Europa supplied kit
>
> Prop : PV50 with constant speed controller - 64inch
> Engine: 912ULS
>
> Panel: Dynon D100 EFIS, D10 EMS, AVMAP IV GPS, garmin SL40 com and gtx320a
> transponder - trutrak digitrak wing leveler
>
> Mods:
> Europa factory:
> - cockpit width increase
> - door gas strut
> - nosegear springs
> - finger brakes - just fitting the matco cylinders today - 'given up on
the
> old ones
> - all the usual mandatory mods
>
> Europa club:
> - removable metal panels
> - cap fuel sender
>
> PFA mods:
> - trutrak digitrak autopilot
> - andair fuel tap, dynon fuel pressure sender, replacement of sight gauge
> nylon vent tubing with 5052 ali tubing (so the interior does not have to
be
> removed when replacing fuel hoses)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Davies
> Sent: 12 July 2007 08:41
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: First flight - G-REJP - thanks to all
>
>
> Congratulations Alan,
>
> A very pretty aircraft. You must be itching to get your hands on it!
>
> Just for the records, can you please send me the final build hours, empty
> weight, prop details, plus any other significnat mods that you carried
out.
>
> Best regards
>
> Brian Davies, Europa Club membership sec.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of milnera
> Sent: 11 July 2007 23:56
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: First flight - G-REJP - thanks to all
>
> --> <alan_milner@totalise.co.uk>
>
> G-REJP finally took to the air this Monday under the very professional
hands
> of John Brownlow at Cambridge, UK.
>
> It was a long slog but always enjoyable - OK maybe not the mountain of
> sanding I left until the end :)
>
> Thanks to everyone who helped me along the way with advice and tips. In
> particular a big thanks to Tony Kay, my PFA inspector who kept me on track
> and had a seemingly supernatural ability to anticipate my mistakes.
> He's the scary one in the hat coarsening up the prop as I was smiling too
> much to touch a screwdriver.
>
> http://www.antsol.com/europaphotos.nsf/plinks/AMIR-74ZUDR
>
> Alan. XS Trigear, 912ULS, PV50, Dynon panel, Cambridge. UK
>
>
> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
>
>
> 17:44
>
>
> 17:44
>
>
>
> 21:57
>
>
> 21:57
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Europa Tailplane - Mod 73 |
Carl,
I am not sure about the early kits but I have just measured my tube (mine
was kit 454) at 1.499 inches (1.5 to most of us!). I am just off to my
local steel merchant to see if he has any old 1.5 inch pipe left in stock. I
have a short piece of old imperial plastic waste pipe that is exactly the
right size - but not long enough.
Brian Davies
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Pattinson
Sent: 13 July 2007 09:11
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Tailplane - Mod 73
Does anybody know the exact diameter of the tailplane torque tube (ours is
circa 1994 - Kit 49).
In the absence of a torque tube I would have thought a piece of Jewsons
drainpipe built up (to the correct diameter) with electricians tape would do
the job.
With hindsight we could have done Mod 62 and Mod 73 at the same time while
the tube was out of the tailplane.
Carl Pattinson
G-LABS
----- Original Message -----
From: HYPERLINK "mailto:m.j.gregory@talk21.com"Mike Gregory
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 1:03 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa Tailplane - Mod 73
Mike,
You are quite right in realising that Mod 73 does not need to be done on an
aeroplane if you have a tube or bar of the correct diameter to fit inside TP
6 while the lay up is being done. This could be an uninstalled torque tube
or some other material that is a proper fit. A note of caution: I believe
early and late torque tubes were supplied with slightly differing diameters.
The Europa Club Committee have been considering setting up Mod centres where
the necessary materials and expertise will be available, together with an
inspector to sign off the work, although details have yet to be worked out.
I understand the PFA are considering a separate modification to the wing
rear attachment point.
Regards
Mike
_____
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Parkin
Sent: 12 July 2007 22:31
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Tailplane - Mod 73
Mike,
Would it not be better for the club to obtain 3 or 4 torque tubes from the
factory (could be just stock tube). We could then do the layups on the
tailplanes in the temperature and humidity controlled comfort of the
workshop.
Is there still a Mod to the wing rear attachment point to come??
regards,
Mike Parkin
----- Original Message -----
From: HYPERLINK "mailto:m.j.gregory@talk21.com"Mike Gregory
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 7:01 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Europa Tailplane - Mod 73
To all Listers
Francis Donaldson, Chief Engineer of the UK Popular Flying Association has
asked me to give maximum publicity to the attached leaflet for Mod 73
covering tailplane retention. It will be available on the PFA website
tomorrow, and copies have been put in the post today to all UK owners of
flying aircraft, together with a covering letter and revised FSB 006 at
issue 3.
The good news is that compliance (for UK owners) is required within the next
ten flying hours or before the next permit renewal, whichever is earlier,
rather than "before next flight".
There are three steps:
1.Elongation of the pip-pin holes in the torque tube.
2.Modification of the underside of the tailplane by constructing a
reinforced pip-pin recess, except for tailplanes that are pre-moulded or
fitted with Europa Club Standard Mod 10672. Note that 10672 is not capable
of being retrofitted.
3.Placards on the top surface of each tailplane warning of the need to
ensure correct engagement of both tab drive pin and pip pin before flight,
and on the root rib of each tailplane to certify that Mod 73 has been
complied with.
Fly safely
Mike
Europa Club Safety Officer
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| Subject: | Europa Tailplane - Mod 73 |
Hi Mike
Do you know from the PFA if carrying out Mod 73 will remove the
requirement
for the recurring 10 hour inspection of the tail end?
Regards
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Gregory
Sent: 12 July 2007 19:01
Subject: Europa-List: Europa Tailplane - Mod 73
To all Listers
Francis Donaldson, Chief Engineer of the UK Popular Flying Association
has
asked me to give maximum publicity to the attached leaflet for Mod 73
covering tailplane retention. It will be available on the PFA website
tomorrow, and copies have been put in the post today to all UK owners of
flying aircraft, together with a covering letter and revised FSB 006 at
issue 3.
The good news is that compliance (for UK owners) is required within the
next
ten flying hours or before the next permit renewal, whichever is
earlier,
rather than "before next flight".
There are three steps:
1. Elongation of the pip-pin holes in the torque tube.
2. Modification of the underside of the tailplane by constructing a
reinforced pip-pin recess, except for tailplanes that are pre-moulded or
fitted with Europa Club Standard Mod 10672. Note that 10672 is not
capable
of being retrofitted.
3. Placards on the top surface of each tailplane warning of the
need to
ensure correct engagement of both tab drive pin and pip pin before
flight,
and on the route grip of each tailplane to certify that Mod 73 has been
complied with.
Fly safely
Mike
Europa Club Safety Officer
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Just in case anyone has not got any in date epoxy resin / hardener to do
mod 73, I have just bought some West 105/205 as specified from Shipsides
Marine in Preston. 250g + 50g. for =A311.99 plus about =A34 carriage if
you
can=92t collect. Can be ordered via Ebay if you are so inclined. Just
type
west epoxy in the search field and look for the seller
=91stuff4sailors=92.
Also if anyone is stuck for bid or peel ply, I have a good quantity left
over and would happily post some on.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
Happy to be making progress at last.
12/07/2007 16:08
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| Subject: | Re: First flight - G-REJP - thanks to all |
Congratulations, Alan. Here's hoping you'll leave a few dead flies on
it so as not to show up the rest of us in the hanger...
Looking forward to seeing 'JP at some fly-ins.
Best wishes
Willie
On 11 Jul 2007, at 23:56, milnera wrote:
> <alan_milner@totalise.co.uk>
>
> G-REJP finally took to the air this Monday under the very
> professional hands of John Brownlow at Cambridge, UK.
>
> It was a long slog but always enjoyable - OK maybe not the mountain
> of sanding I left until the end :)
>
> Thanks to everyone who helped me along the way with advice and
> tips. In particular a big thanks to Tony Kay, my PFA inspector who
> kept me on track and had a seemingly supernatural ability to
> anticipate my mistakes.
> He's the scary one in the hat coarsening up the prop as I was
> smiling too much to touch a screwdriver.
>
> http://www.antsol.com/europaphotos.nsf/plinks/AMIR-74ZUDR
>
> Alan. XS Trigear, 912ULS, PV50, Dynon panel, Cambridge. UK
>
>
> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: First flight - G-REJP - thanks to all |
Congratulations Alan!
Good work, and thanks for the detailed information about the plane.
My kit's serial no is 18 higher then yours, so i will be following soon :-)
Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh lunch bunch |
----- Original Message -----
From: John & Paddy Wigney
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 10:14 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Oshkosh lunch bunch
Tack your name and number down on this email and I will publish a list
prior to the show.
Name Cell Dates Type Europa
Bud Yerly 813 244-8354 24-27 Tri gear
Rich Schultz 713-703-2156 21-27 Tri gear
John Banhagel 623 628-2774 21-27 Tri gear
Bob Borger 817-992-1117 21-27 Monowheel
Rick Stockton 707-330-1717 23-29 Tri gear
Pete Zutrauen 613-850-5551 21-27 pile of parts"
(potential future Monowheel)
John Wigney 704-231-7865 23-28 Mono XS - at 'Home Built
Camping.'
Michael Grass 586-822-0333 22-26 Trigera, driving in for the
show
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| Subject: | Re: First flight - G-REJP - thanks to all |
Congratulations Alan,
I wished I would be there. Started about the same time but still only half
way there. Thanks for your website. Very good resource and motivation for
other builder.
Regards
Michael Grass
A266 Trigear, Detroit
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan" <alan_milner@totalise.co.uk>
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 8:59 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: First flight - G-REJP - thanks to all
>
> Thanks Brian
>
> For the record:
>
> Build time: 2400 hours !!
> Kit: 582T
> Weight: 860
> PFA Inspector: Tony Kay
> Painted by: Murray Flint - Kings Lymm
> Decals: Paul Sistern - www.partsforaircrafts.co.uk
> Interior: Europa supplied kit
>
> Prop : PV50 with constant speed controller - 64inch
> Engine: 912ULS
>
> Panel: Dynon D100 EFIS, D10 EMS, AVMAP IV GPS, garmin SL40 com and gtx320a
> transponder - trutrak digitrak wing leveler
>
> Mods:
> Europa factory:
> - cockpit width increase
> - door gas strut
> - nosegear springs
> - finger brakes - just fitting the matco cylinders today - 'given up on
> the
> old ones
> - all the usual mandatory mods
>
> Europa club:
> - removable metal panels
> - cap fuel sender
>
> PFA mods:
> - trutrak digitrak autopilot
> - andair fuel tap, dynon fuel pressure sender, replacement of sight gauge
> nylon vent tubing with 5052 ali tubing (so the interior does not have to
> be
> removed when replacing fuel hoses)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Davies
> Sent: 12 July 2007 08:41
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: First flight - G-REJP - thanks to all
>
>
> Congratulations Alan,
>
> A very pretty aircraft. You must be itching to get your hands on it!
>
> Just for the records, can you please send me the final build hours, empty
> weight, prop details, plus any other significnat mods that you carried
> out.
>
> Best regards
>
> Brian Davies, Europa Club membership sec.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of milnera
> Sent: 11 July 2007 23:56
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: First flight - G-REJP - thanks to all
>
> --> <alan_milner@totalise.co.uk>
>
> G-REJP finally took to the air this Monday under the very professional
> hands
> of John Brownlow at Cambridge, UK.
>
> It was a long slog but always enjoyable - OK maybe not the mountain of
> sanding I left until the end :)
>
> Thanks to everyone who helped me along the way with advice and tips. In
> particular a big thanks to Tony Kay, my PFA inspector who kept me on track
> and had a seemingly supernatural ability to anticipate my mistakes.
> He's the scary one in the hat coarsening up the prop as I was smiling too
> much to touch a screwdriver.
>
> http://www.antsol.com/europaphotos.nsf/plinks/AMIR-74ZUDR
>
> Alan. XS Trigear, 912ULS, PV50, Dynon panel, Cambridge. UK
>
>
> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
>
>
> 17:44
>
>
> 17:44
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Mod 73 and 10 hourly inspections |
Hello Peter/everyone,
I just spoke with Roger at Europa to ask this same question, amongst
others. His understanding, which he expects to be confirmed soon by a
revised/new document from the PFA, is that full compliance with Mod
73 will supersede the requirement for recurring 10 hourly inspections
of the tailplane.
Please note the caveat and don't take this as gospel until we see it
in writing from the PFA.
Best wishes
Willie Harrison
On 13 Jul 2007, at 10:27, Pete Lawless wrote:
> Hi Mike
>
>
> Do you know from the PFA if carrying out Mod 73 will remove the
> requirement for the recurring 10 hour inspection of the tail end?
>
>
> Regards
>
>
> Pete
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Tailplane - Mod 73 |
Carl,
A055, circa 1998 measures exactly 1.50"...
Jeff - Baby Blue
Carl Pattinson wrote:
> Does anybody know the exact diameter of the tailplane torque tube
> (ours is circa 1994 - Kit 49).
>
> In the absence of a torque tube I would have thought a piece of
> Jewsons drainpipe built up (to the correct diameter) with electricians
> tape would do the job.
>
> With hindsight we could have done Mod 62 and Mod 73 at the same time
> while the tube was out of the tailplane.
>
> Carl Pattinson
>
> G-LABS
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Mike Gregory <mailto:m.j.gregory@talk21.com>
> *To:* europa-list@matronics.com <mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, July 13, 2007 1:03 AM
> *Subject:* RE: Europa-List: Europa Tailplane - Mod 73
>
> Mike,
>
>
>
> You are quite right in realising that Mod 73 does not need to be
> done on an aeroplane if you have a tube or bar of the correct
> diameter to fit inside TP 6 while the lay up is being done. This
> could be an uninstalled torque tube or some other material that is
> a proper fit. A note of caution: I believe early and late torque
> tubes were supplied with slightly differing diameters.
>
>
>
> The Europa Club Committee have been considering setting up Mod
> centres where the necessary materials and expertise will be
> available, together with an inspector to sign off the work,
> although details have yet to be worked out.
>
>
>
> I understand the PFA are considering a separate modification to
> the wing rear attachment point.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *Mike Parkin
> *Sent:* 12 July 2007 22:31
> *To:* europa-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Europa-List: Europa Tailplane - Mod 73
>
>
>
> Mike,
>
>
>
> Would it not be better for the club to obtain 3 or 4 torque tubes
> from the factory (could be just stock tube). We could then do the
> layups on the tailplanes in the temperature and humidity
> controlled comfort of the workshop.
>
> Is there still a Mod to the wing rear attachment point to come??
>
>
>
> regards,
>
>
>
> Mike Parkin
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Mike Gregory <mailto:m.j.gregory@talk21.com>
>
> *To:* europa-list@matronics.com
> <mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 12, 2007 7:01 PM
>
> *Subject:* Europa-List: Europa Tailplane - Mod 73
>
>
>
> To all Listers
>
> Francis Donaldson, Chief Engineer of the UK Popular Flying
> Association has asked me to give maximum publicity to the
> attached leaflet for Mod 73 covering tailplane retention. It
> will be available on the PFA website tomorrow, and copies have
> been put in the post today to all UK owners of flying
> aircraft, together with a covering letter and revised FSB 006
> at issue 3.
>
> The good news is that compliance (for UK owners) is required
> within the next ten flying hours or before the next permit
> renewal, whichever is earlier, rather than "before next flight".
>
> There are three steps:
>
> 1.Elongation of the pip-pin holes in the torque tube.
>
> 2.Modification of the underside of the tailplane by
> constructing a reinforced pip-pin recess, except for
> tailplanes that are pre-moulded or fitted with Europa Club
> Standard Mod 10672. Note that 10672 is not capable of being
> retrofitted.
>
> 3.Placards on the top surface of each tailplane warning of the
> need to ensure correct engagement of both tab drive pin and
> pip pin before flight, and on the root rib of each tailplane
> to certify that Mod 73 has been complied with.
>
> Fly safely
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> Europa Club Safety Officer
>
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| Subject: | Europa Tailplane - Mod 73 |
Pete/All
I understand from Francis Donaldson that the incorporation of Mod 73 will
not remove the requirement for the recurring inspection of the tail called
for in Flight Safety Bulletin FSB-006. He has sent me a copy of issue 3; I
have converted this to PDF format which has brought it down to 387 kB, which
should come through as an attachment on the List. I apologise to those with
dial-up, but I believe this is important because I also understand from
Francis that FSB-006 Issue 3 will not now be posted on the PFA website until
next week.
I'm awaiting an amended copy of the covering letter sent out by the PFA,
which I will also post on this List, which should make it clear that further
inspection of the rear wing attachment is not required if it passed the
criteria set out in FSB-007. This applies to classic Europas only, and Andy
will be carrying out a trial modification to install a longer pin together
with a washer and nut outboard of the root rib which will allow the aircraft
that failed 007 to fly, and also improve the integrity of the attachment for
all classic aircraft. The PFA anxious not to compromise the integrity of
the root rib in this area, so a hole will have to be cut in the lower skin
surface to incorporate this mod.
Regards
Mike will
_____
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless
Sent: 13 July 2007 10:28
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa Tailplane - Mod 73
Hi Mike
Do you know from the PFA if carrying out Mod 73 will remove the requirement
for the recurring 10 hour inspection of the tail end?
Regards
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Gregory
Sent: 12 July 2007 19:01
Subject: Europa-List: Europa Tailplane - Mod 73
To all Listers
Francis Donaldson, Chief Engineer of the UK Popular Flying Association has
asked me to give maximum publicity to the attached leaflet for Mod 73
covering tailplane retention. It will be available on the PFA website
tomorrow, and copies have been put in the post today to all UK owners of
flying aircraft, together with a covering letter and revised FSB 006 at
issue 3.
The good news is that compliance (for UK owners) is required within the next
ten flying hours or before the next permit renewal, whichever is earlier,
rather than "before next flight".
There are three steps:
1. Elongation of the pip-pin holes in the torque tube.
2. Modification of the underside of the tailplane by constructing a
reinforced pip-pin recess, except for tailplanes that are pre-moulded or
fitted with Europa Club Standard Mod 10672. Note that 10672 is not capable
of being retrofitted.
3. Placards on the top surface of each tailplane warning of the need to
ensure correct engagement of both tab drive pin and pip pin before flight,
and on the root rib of each tailplane to certify that Mod 73 has been
complied with.
Fly safely
Mike
Europa Club Safety Officer
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| Subject: | Europa Tailplane - Mod 73 |
All
Further to my earlier message, here is Francis Donaldson's covering memo
that was sent out with Mod 73 to all UK flying owners.
The PFA is very conscious of the restriction imposed by the continuing need
for ten-hourly inspections, even after Mod 73 is incorporated, and are
working closely with the CAA to get the requirement extended and in due
course eliminated. The PFA does not have the authority to change the 10
hour requirement, which is mandated for UK owners by the CAA, who are
continuing to discuss the matter with the AAIB investigators as a matter of
urgency.
Meanwhile, Francis advises that any Europa owner who faces particular
problems (such as a plan to go touring or remoteness from an inspector) as a
result of the continuing 10-hour inspection requirement should contact PFA
Engineering for assistance. It may be possible to authorise them as a
temporary inspector in respect of FSB-006 to carry out the subsequent checks
themselves.
Regards
Mike
_____
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Gregory
Sent: 13 July 2007 15:33
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa Tailplane - Mod 73
Pete/All
I understand from Francis Donaldson that the incorporation of Mod 73 will
not remove the requirement for the recurring inspection of the tail called
for in Flight Safety Bulletin FSB-006. He has sent me a copy of issue 3; I
have converted this to PDF format which has brought it down to 387 kB, which
should come through as an attachment on the List. I apologise to those with
dial-up, but I believe this is important because I also understand from
Francis that FSB-006 Issue 3 will not now be posted on the PFA website until
next week.
I'm awaiting an amended copy of the covering letter sent out by the PFA,
which I will also post on this List, which should make it clear that further
inspection of the rear wing attachment is not required if it passed the
criteria set out in FSB-007. This applies to classic Europas only, and Andy
will be carrying out a trial modification to install a longer pin together
with a washer and nut outboard of the root rib which will allow the aircraft
that failed 007 to fly, and also improve the integrity of the attachment for
all classic aircraft. The PFA anxious not to compromise the integrity of
the root rib in this area, so a hole will have to be cut in the lower skin
surface to incorporate this mod.
Regards
Mike
_____
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless
Sent: 13 July 2007 10:28
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa Tailplane - Mod 73
Hi Mike
Do you know from the PFA if carrying out Mod 73 will remove the requirement
for the recurring 10 hour inspection of the tail end?
Regards
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Gregory
Sent: 12 July 2007 19:01
Subject: Europa-List: Europa Tailplane - Mod 73
To all Listers
Francis Donaldson, Chief Engineer of the UK Popular Flying Association has
asked me to give maximum publicity to the attached leaflet for Mod 73
covering tailplane retention. It will be available on the PFA website
tomorrow, and copies have been put in the post today to all UK owners of
flying aircraft, together with a covering letter and revised FSB 006 at
issue 3.
The good news is that compliance (for UK owners) is required within the next
ten flying hours or before the next permit renewal, whichever is earlier,
rather than "before next flight".
There are three steps:
1. Elongation of the pip-pin holes in the torque tube.
2. Modification of the underside of the tailplane by constructing a
reinforced pip-pin recess, except for tailplanes that are pre-moulded or
fitted with Europa Club Standard Mod 10672. Note that 10672 is not capable
of being retrofitted.
3. Placards on the top surface of each tailplane warning of the need to
ensure correct engagement of both tab drive pin and pip pin before flight,
and on the root rib of each tailplane to certify that Mod 73 has been
complied with.
Fly safely
Mike
Europa Club Safety Officer
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Tailplane - Mod 73 |
Thanks, Mike. As you will have seen from my earlier posting, Roger
thought otherwise (although it's obviously Francis, not Roger who
makes the rules). Do you know if the PFA are proposing the 10 hour
inspection, by an inspector, as an indefinite requirement? If so, it
would limit the appeal of the Europa as a touring aircraft. Can we
collectively pool our thoughts to counter propose a more practical
inspection regime?
Thanks for all your good work.
Willie
On 13 Jul 2007, at 15:33, Mike Gregory wrote:
> Pete/All
>
>
> I understand from Francis Donaldson that the incorporation of Mod
> 73 will not remove the requirement for the recurring inspection of
> the tail called for in Flight Safety Bulletin FSB-006. He has sent
> me a copy of issue 3; I have converted this to PDF format which has
> brought it down to 387 kB, which should come through as an
> attachment on the List. I apologise to those with dial-up, but I
> believe this is important because I also understand from Francis
> that FSB-006 Issue 3 will not now be posted on the PFA website
> until next week.
>
>
> I'm awaiting an amended copy of the covering letter sent out by the
> PFA, which I will also post on this List, which should make it
> clear that further inspection of the rear wing attachment is not
> required if it passed the criteria set out in FSB-007. This
> applies to classic Europas only, and Andy will be carrying out a
> trial modification to install a longer pin together with a washer
> and nut outboard of the root rib which will allow the aircraft that
> failed 007 to fly, and also improve the integrity of the attachment
> for all classic aircraft. The PFA anxious not to compromise the
> integrity of the root rib in this area, so a hole will have to be
> cut in the lower skin surface to incorporate this mod.
>
>
> Regards
>
>
> Mike will
>
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-
> list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless
> Sent: 13 July 2007 10:28
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa Tailplane - Mod 73
>
>
> Hi Mike
>
>
> Do you know from the PFA if carrying out Mod 73 will remove the
> requirement for the recurring 10 hour inspection of the tail end?
>
>
> Regards
>
>
> Pete
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-
> list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Gregory
> Sent: 12 July 2007 19:01
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Europa Tailplane - Mod 73
>
>
> To all Listers
>
> Francis Donaldson, Chief Engineer of the UK Popular Flying
> Association has asked me to give maximum publicity to the attached
> leaflet for Mod 73 covering tailplane retention. It will be
> available on the PFA website tomorrow, and copies have been put in
> the post today to all UK owners of flying aircraft, together with a
> covering letter and revised FSB 006 at issue 3.
>
> The good news is that compliance (for UK owners) is required within
> the next ten flying hours or before the next permit renewal,
> whichever is earlier, rather than "before next flight".
>
> There are three steps:
>
> 1. Elongation of the pip-pin holes in the torque tube.
>
> 2. Modification of the underside of the tailplane by
> constructing a reinforced pip-pin recess, except for tailplanes
> that are pre-moulded or fitted with Europa Club Standard Mod
> 10672. Note that 10672 is not capable of being retrofitted.
>
> 3. Placards on the top surface of each tailplane warning of
> the need to ensure correct engagement of both tab drive pin and pip
> pin before flight, and on the root rib of each tailplane to certify
> that Mod 73 has been complied with.
>
> Fly safely
>
> Mike
> Europa Club Safety Officer
> <EUROPA PFA FSB-006 issue 3.pdf>
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| Subject: | Tailplane Retention. |
Well it looks like this problem is not going to be over anytime soon.
I'm domestically grounded, having been flooded out in the June rains - I
suspect it will be 2008 before G-JULZ flies again. It seems to me that
Mod 73 is a 'sticking plaster' solution while they find something
better. For once I totally support the PFA while they try and make our
aircraft a safer machine.
Here is an idea that might be fairly easy to implement.
How about threaded bar going right through the torque shaft. Some
nicely glassed reinforced recesses in the tip of each tailplane, a
couple of nuts and some neat covers to hide it all.
Just thinking out of the box....... Anyone got any better ideas.
regards,
Mike
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| Subject: | Europa Tailplane - Mod 73 |
Willie,
We have now spoken on the phone - your message crossed with my posting
explaining that it is not within the gift of the PFA to extend or eliminate
the 10-hour inspection, but requires action by the CAA, who are not moving
on this at the current stage of the AAIB investigation. I'm putting this
message on the List so that others may share a more optimistic outlook about
the way ahead.
You are not the only one to express concern regarding the severity of the
10-hour restriction, on touring operations particularly. We are all hoping
that the inspection intervals can be extended to 25 or 50 hours, or
(preferably) eliminated. However, as the PFA receive reports from
inspectors on the results of the 10-hourly inspections, they should soon
learn whether there are many instances of aircraft passing one inspection
and failing the next: if not, they should be able to use this evidence to
recommend to the CAA that the intervals can be extended. Otherwise, they
will certainly want to consider further measures to improve the integrity of
the system so that frequent inspections are no longer needed.
Best regards
Mike
will
_____
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Harrison
Sent: 13 July 2007 18:14
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Tailplane - Mod 73
Thanks, Mike. As you will have seen from my earlier posting, Roger thought
otherwise (although it's obviously Francis, not Roger who makes the rules).
Do you know if the PFA are proposing the 10 hour inspection, by an
inspector, as an indefinite requirement? If so, it would limit the appeal of
the Europa as a touring aircraft. Can we collectively pool our thoughts to
counter propose a more practical inspection regime?
Thanks for all your good work.
Willie
On 13 Jul 2007, at 15:33, Mike Gregory wrote:
Pete/All
I understand from Francis Donaldson that the incorporation of Mod 73 will
not remove the requirement for the recurring inspection of the tail called
for in Flight Safety Bulletin FSB-006. He has sent me a copy of issue 3; I
have converted this to PDF format which has brought it down to 387 kB, which
should come through as an attachment on the List. I apologise to those with
dial-up, but I believe this is important because I also understand from
Francis that FSB-006 Issue 3 will not now be posted on the PFA website until
next week.
I'm awaiting an amended copy of the covering letter sent out by the PFA,
which I will also post on this List, which should make it clear that further
inspection of the rear wing attachment is not required if it passed the
criteria set out in FSB-007. This applies to classic Europas only, and Andy
will be carrying out a trial modification to install a longer pin together
with a washer and nut outboard of the root rib which will allow the aircraft
that failed 007 to fly, and also improve the integrity of the attachment for
all classic aircraft. The PFA anxious not to compromise the integrity of the
root rib in this area, so a hole will have to be cut in the lower skin
surface to incorporate this mod.
Regards
Mike
_____
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless
Sent: 13 July 2007 10:28
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa Tailplane - Mod 73
Hi Mike
Do you know from the PFA if carrying out Mod 73 will remove the requirement
for the recurring 10 hour inspection of the tail end?
Regards
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Gregory
Sent: 12 July 2007 19:01
Subject: Europa-List: Europa Tailplane - Mod 73
To all Listers
Francis Donaldson, Chief Engineer of the UK Popular Flying Association has
asked me to give maximum publicity to the attached leaflet for Mod 73
covering tailplane retention. It will be available on the PFA website
tomorrow, and copies have been put in the post today to all UK owners of
flying aircraft, together with a covering letter and revised FSB 006 at
issue 3.
The good news is that compliance (for UK owners) is required within the next
ten flying hours or before the next permit renewal, whichever is earlier,
rather than "before next flight".
There are three steps:
1. Elongation of the pip-pin holes in the torque tube.
2. Modification of the underside of the tailplane by constructing a
reinforced pip-pin recess, except for tailplanes that are pre-moulded or
fitted with Europa Club Standard Mod 10672. Note that 10672 is not capable
of being retrofitted.
3. Placards on the top surface of each tailplane warning of the need to
ensure correct engagement of both tab drive pin and pip pin before flight,
and on the root rib of each tailplane to certify that Mod 73 has been
complied with.
Fly safely
Mike
Europa Club Safety Officer
<EUROPA PFA FSB-006 issue 3.pdf>
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Tailplane - Mod 73 |
I have one little niggle with the Mod73 as currently published. I was
under the impression that layups around 90 degree corners was to be
avoided. Glass cloth dosent like being bent around acute bends and
usually results in the glass cloth lifting and causing an air pocket. I
am referring to the glass cloth that is stippled to the sanded surface
of the tailplane.
Surely a stronger and cosmetically preferable solution would be to make
a flox corner around the underside of the tailplane surface where it
joins the top of the underside recess (or bottom if we are talking
underside - it would be at the top when being worked on). By the time
one has incorporated two layers of bid around the periphery of the
recess and then glassed over it again the surface is certain to stand
proud of the rest of the tailplane and leave an unsightly lump.
If I have the choice I would prefer to prepare flox corners where the
recess meets the tailplane surface and let the excess glass poke out of
the recess till hardened. Then slice the excess glass away with a sharp
knife till level with the tailplane surface. When the recess is finally
filled with a lump of foam and glassed over, a further flox corner could
be incorporated on the inside of the cavity (where it meets the
surface).
BTW a much more effective and simpler means of tailplane retention could
have been achieved by drilling a hole through the tailplane from top to
bottom through the root closeouts and dropping a 9" x 1/4" steel pin
behind the torque drive plates (ie through the top skin, behind the
drive plate either in front or behind the torque tube - or both and then
through the bottom skin). Alternately a hole through the centre of the
torque tube though this could have structural implications. A split pin
or ring through the underside would be needed to secure it. Washers
reduxed to the insides of the closeouts would ensure extra strength and
prevent the pin from pulling through the tailplane surface. This would
eliminate any possibility of the tailplane moving outboard during
flight.
Still, I guess its too late to consider that suggestion.
Carl Pattinson
G-LABS
To all Listers
Francis Donaldson, Chief Engineer of the UK Popular Flying Association
has asked me to give maximum publicity to the attached leaflet for Mod
73 covering tailplane retention. It will be available on the PFA
website tomorrow, and copies have been put in the post today to all UK
owners of flying aircraft, together with a covering letter and revised
FSB 006 at issue 3.
The good news is that compliance (for UK owners) is required within the
next ten flying hours or before the next permit renewal, whichever is
earlier, rather than "before next flight".
There are three steps:
1. Elongation of the pip-pin holes in the torque tube.
2. Modification of the underside of the tailplane by constructing a
reinforced pip-pin recess, except for tailplanes that are pre-moulded or
fitted with Europa Club Standard Mod 10672. Note that 10672 is not
capable of being retrofitted.
3. Placards on the top surface of each tailplane warning of the
need to ensure correct engagement of both tab drive pin and pip pin
before flight, and on the root rib of each tailplane to certify that Mod
73 has been complied with.
Fly safely
Mike
Europa Club Safety Officer
<EUROPA PFA FSB-006 issue 3.pdf>
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| Subject: | What stops the pip pin from falling out after Mod 73? |
What I can't understand is after ovalizing the pip pin holes in the torq
ue tube, what will then stop the pip
pin from just sliding out. Am I missing something here? If the pip pin ba
lls line up with the ovalized area,
I can't see why they won't just potentially slide right out if given a chan
ce.
2. On Classics and XS, ovalise the pip pin holes in the ends of the tailpl
ane torque tube to prevent the pip-pin picking up actuating torque loads.
Add an extra pip-pin recess of an improved design to each tail undersurface
which will provide a reliable secondary retention system to prevent the ta
ilplane half moving outboard if the sleeve should become disbonded. In the
process of forming the new pip-pin recesses, key the sleeves into the struc
ture to help prevent them becoming disbonded. Pip-pin will still enter tail
plane from above. Recess in bottom surface can be filled afterwards for cos
metic purposes leaving tailplane looking as previously. Alternatively, the
Europa club mod for improved sleeve retention can be incorporated at build.
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| Subject: | What stops the pip pin from falling out after Mod 73? |
Oops - my bad! Just the torque tube holes would be ovalized, not on TP6.
Duhh!
What I can't understand is after ovalizing the pip pin holes in the torq
ue tube, what will then stop the pip
pin from just sliding out. Am I missing something here? If the pip pin ba
lls line up with the ovalized area,
I can't see why they won't just potentially slide right out if given a chan
ce.
2. On Classics and XS, ovalise the pip pin holes in the ends of the tailpl
ane torque tube to prevent the pip-pin picking up actuating torque loads.
Add an extra pip-pin recess of an improved design to each tail undersurface
which will provide a reliable secondary retention system to prevent the ta
ilplane half moving outboard if the sleeve should become disbonded. In the
process of forming the new pip-pin recesses, key the sleeves into the struc
ture to help prevent them becoming disbonded. Pip-pin will still enter tail
plane from above. Recess in bottom surface can be filled afterwards for cos
metic purposes leaving tailplane looking as previously. Alternatively, the
Europa club mod for improved sleeve retention can be incorporated at build.
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| Subject: | What stops the pip pin from falling out after Mod 73? |
Glenn,
The pip-pin holes are in the torque-tube, which has the round-holed TP6
around it. It is the TP6 that retains the pip-pin.
Regards,
Jeremy
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of glenn crowder
Sent: 13 July 2007 20:36
Subject: Europa-List: What stops the pip pin from falling out after Mod 73?
What I can't understand is after ovalizing the pip pin holes in the
torque tube, what will then stop the pip
pin from just sliding out. Am I missing something here? If the pip pin
balls line up with the ovalized area,
I can't see why they won't just potentially slide right out if given a
chance.
2. On Classics and XS, ovalise the pip pin holes in the ends of the
tailplane torque tube to prevent the pip-pin picking up actuating torque
loads. Add an extra pip-pin recess of an improved design to each tail
undersurface which will provide a reliable secondary retention system to
prevent the tailplane half moving outboard if the sleeve should become
disbonded. In the process of forming the new pip-pin recesses, key the
sleeves into the structure to help prevent them becoming disbonded. Pip-pin
will still enter tailplane from above. Recess in bottom surface can be
filled afterwards for cosmetic purposes leaving tailplane looking as
previously. Alternatively, the Europa club mod for improved sleeve retention
can be incorporated at build.
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Hi Mike,
I guess you guys in the UK haven't got much choice on the matter. I
certainly won't be rushing into yet another mod, apart from the ovalizing.
All my fittings are completely tight, and the pin cannot possibly move
sideways in my recess, and it cannot come out, because the lid is a marine
brass drain plug fitting.
My idea would have been to replace TP5 and TP6 with a one-piece tube, lets
call it TP56. I think there is a simple way to remove the TP6 without
damaging the foam, and the TP56 would be bedded in plenty of floxed redux.
Just how strong does this have to be ?
We still don't know anything about the damaged components in the accident
plane. In order for the tailplanes to come off, both TP6 must have been
loose, and the pip pin recesses must have been quite large to allow enough
sideways movement. Just speculating.
Karl
>From: "Mike Parkin" <mikenjulie.parkin@btinternet.com>
>To: "Europa-List@Matronics.Com" <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Europa-List: Tailplane Retention.
>Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:59:07 +0100
>
>Well it looks like this problem is not going to be over anytime soon. I'm
>domestically grounded, having been flooded out in the June rains - I
>suspect it will be 2008 before G-JULZ flies again. It seems to me that Mod
>73 is a 'sticking plaster' solution while they find something better. For
>once I totally support the PFA while they try and make our aircraft a safer
>machine.
>
>Here is an idea that might be fairly easy to implement.
>
>How about threaded bar going right through the torque shaft. Some nicely
>glassed reinforced recesses in the tip of each tailplane, a couple of nuts
>and some neat covers to hide it all.
>
>Just thinking out of the box....... Anyone got any better ideas.
>
>regards,
>
>Mike
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| Subject: | Tailplane Retention. |
Hi! Mike ...the threaded rod would need to "negotiate" past the central
drive pins.
What has happened to Stabilator retention mod. which I saw which has
spring levers which drop behind the drive plates when rigging?
Regards
Bob Harrison.
Robt.C.Harrison
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Parkin
Sent: 13 July 2007 18:59
Subject: Europa-List: Tailplane Retention.
Well it looks like this problem is not going to be over anytime soon.
I'm domestically grounded, having been flooded out in the June rains - I
suspect it will be 2008 before G-JULZ flies again. It seems to me that
Mod 73 is a 'sticking plaster' solution while they find something
better. For once I totally support the PFA while they try and make our
aircraft a safer machine.
Here is an idea that might be fairly easy to implement.
How about threaded bar going right through the torque shaft. Some
nicely glassed reinforced recesses in the tip of each tailplane, a
couple of nuts and some neat covers to hide it all.
Just thinking out of the box....... Anyone got any better ideas.
regards,
Mike
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That is true Bob, but the rod would not have to be in the centre of the
tube to be effective.
regards,
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: R.C.Harrison
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 1:00 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tailplane Retention.
Hi! Mike ...the threaded rod would need to "negotiate" past the
central drive pins.
What has happened to Stabilator retention mod. which I saw which has
spring levers which drop behind the drive plates when rigging?
Regards
Bob Harrison.
Robt.C.Harrison
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Parkin
Sent: 13 July 2007 18:59
To: Europa-List@Matronics.Com
Subject: Europa-List: Tailplane Retention.
Well it looks like this problem is not going to be over anytime soon.
I'm domestically grounded, having been flooded out in the June rains - I
suspect it will be 2008 before G-JULZ flies again. It seems to me that
Mod 73 is a 'sticking plaster' solution while they find something
better. For once I totally support the PFA while they try and make our
aircraft a safer machine.
Here is an idea that might be fairly easy to implement.
How about threaded bar going right through the torque shaft. Some
nicely glassed reinforced recesses in the tip of each tailplane, a
couple of nuts and some neat covers to hide it all.
Just thinking out of the box....... Anyone got any better ideas.
regards,
Mike
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Very nice "outside the box" thinking Mike...
Fred
On Friday, July 13, 2007, at 09:46 PM, Mike Parkin wrote:
> That is true Bob, but the rod would not have to be in the centre of
> the tube to be effective.
> -
> regards,
> -
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> How about threaded bar going right through the torque shaft.- Some
> nicely glassed reinforced recesses in the tip of each tailplane, a
> couple of nuts and some neat covers to hide it all.
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