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1. 12:04 AM - Re: Europa Tailplane. (R.C.Harrison)
2. 12:22 AM - Now a minority of 2 (Paul Atkinson)
3. 04:35 AM - Longer pip pins (Richard Holder)
4. 06:03 AM - rivnuts (Fergus Kyle)
5. 07:14 AM - Kemble at Risk (ROGER MILLS)
6. 09:46 AM - Re: Longer pip pins (nigel charles)
7. 10:12 AM - Re: Longer pip pins (danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk)
8. 10:55 AM - Longer pip pins (Richard Holder)
9. 01:38 PM - TP6 Bonding (bryan allsop)
10. 01:43 PM - Re: Mod 73 (Ron Jones)
11. 02:24 PM - Re: TP6 Bonding (Ron Jones)
12. 02:24 PM - TAILPLANE (van eldik)
13. 02:46 PM - A request for adequate information from the PFA (rampil)
14. 02:53 PM - Longer Pip Pins (Carl Pattinson)
15. 02:56 PM - Updated Oshkosh Lunch Bunch (ALAN YERLY)
16. 03:01 PM - Re: TP6 Bonding (Steve Pitt)
17. 03:03 PM - Re: A request for adequate information from the PFA (glenn crowder)
18. 03:14 PM - Re: TP6 Bonding (James)
19. 03:23 PM - Re: Updated Oshkosh Lunch Bunch (kbcarpenter@comcast.net)
20. 04:43 PM - Re: Longer pip pins (R.C.Harrison)
21. 05:06 PM - Mod 73 - Inspectors (UVTReith@aol.com)
22. 08:53 PM - Re: rivnuts (R.C.Harrison)
23. 11:21 PM - Re: A request for adequate information from the PFA (simon miles)
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| Subject: | Europa Tailplane. |
Hi! Mike
It wasn=92t you who caused my concern, I felt that Jos=92s message
could be
read implicating my clamps (he must be excused because of the language
punctuation anyway) I need to come out of my box on the clamp issue to
speak for the clients who have invested in them.
However =85.I=92d like to proffer some assistance to those still to do
Mod
73.
The major problem is locating the pip pin hole underside of the tail
plane, especially if not drilled vertically (like mine :- my reason was
to not have two holes through the torque tube in the same plane to
improve the torque tube operational strength or that was the theory!) So
mine were drilled at quite an angle and had no drain hole since they
have a water tight screw cap fitted. To drill through from the top hole
would have punctured the bottom skin miles from the required bush.)
In the case of G-PTAG to locate the outboard rib was no problem, a
strong light across the surface shows up the minute ripple in the
surface under which is the rib. (wasn=92t there when the finishing and
painting was done but like the fuel filler straps does begin to show
externally over long term curing time)
The big problem is finding the torque tube alignment =85=85.I=92m
wishing I=92d
thought of this before I invaded my first tail plane ! Two quite
experienced eyes aligned mine but weren=92t sufficiently accurate and
I=92m
amazed how far out in the 12=94 distance we were=85.I found the rib as
above
but was initially digging the wrong way for the bush, my construction
will be therefore larger.
Now to the reliable fix of finding the tube alignment:- get a 5ft or 6ft
wooden lath (about 5/8 =93 thick) with straight edges which snugly fits
the inside of the tail plane bushes . Carefully stand the tail plane on
it=92s outboard end and insert the lath down the hole through the bushes
to engage with the inner bush then hang a builders plumb bob from the
top forward edge of the lath (with a drawing pin) to just clear the
close out flange by leaning the tail plane slightly towards the under
surface, align the plumb bob line with the same edge of the lath by now
tilting the tail plane in the 90 deg direction. The resultant plumb bob
line line will indicate the location of the forward edge of the torque
tube.
Measure =BE=94 back from the line will indicate the bush centre line.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG =85..lay up of Mod 73 to still do (excavation
complete!)
PS. MY bushes are/were still fixed solid, with hacksaw abrasion being
the original method used . (Not now so sure about the breaking of the
original bond by removal of the existing flox though !????)
Robt.C.Harrison
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Parkin
Sent: 17 July 2007 11:38
Subject: Europa-List: Europa Tailplane.
All,
Bob, it was not my intention to tie in your modification with anything.
I was merely pointing out that the poor design had required
modifications such as your clamp and the increased diameter pins. I
appreciate that you want to get flying again and my suggestion was not
meant as the only answer. Plainly, the PFA in consultation Europa(2004)
will devise a mod or series of mods to solve the immediate problem.
However, in the longer term I do believe that the pitch control needs
modification. New kits certainly need to have a system that is stronger
and more durable. Perhaps along the lines that Graham is suggesting.
Certainly Carls pin idea and the latch system discussed are all worthy
of consideration for a long term fix for the current system.
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| Subject: | Now a minority of 2 |
Tony
The only words I disagree with are in the last sentence. You are not alone.
Regards
Paul Atkinson
do not archive
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:32:40 +0100, Tony Wickens
<tonywickens@btconnect.com> wrote:
> Ivans idea behind the original tailplane attachent was to produce an easy
> and quick way of rigging the aircraft. Regrettably time has proved this
> design to be inadequate in terms of secuity.
> I'm sorry but this, as a fact, is untrue. All design is a compromise and
> clearly better
> locking of the tailplane system (Tailplane to balance weight) to
> eliminate the possibility of relative
> movement is desireable. However you are premature in your statement as
> the vast majority of
> Europas continue to perform faultlessly. Please wait for the final AAIB
> report and accept that in the
> meantime Mod 73 has been introduced as belt and braces, and to cover
> cases where aircraft might not
> have been built in compliance with the plans.
>
> Mod 73 seems to make the current design even safer in terms of a
> secondary security feature and
> enables inspection of the integrity of the TP6 bond. I would have been
> happier if a check, reportable
> to Europa Aircraft, had been included with the mod to report on the
> security of the TP6 bond prior to
> incorporation of Mod 73. I am currently incorporating Mod 73 on a
> monowheel which has been operating
> for 600 hours off of a rough grass airfield and there is absolutely no
> sign of disbonding of TP6. Mod 73
> further secures and captures TP6 to the tailplane structure so lets get
> on and incorporate it, and cool
> the speculation until we have some facts to back it up.
>
> Now I am getting into my bunker, and prepare for incoming missiles,
> because perhaps my views are
> in a majority of one, unless anyone out there knows different.
>
> Tony Wickens
>
>
--
/
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I need to buy longer pip pins for my elevators as a result
of Mod 73.
I have found a source and can have them back here in one
week if I buy the 2 inch long ones (1/4 inch longer than
standard). They will be about 20 or so.
Is there anyone who wants some ordered at the same time ?
I am happy to co-ordinate and re-distribute as required.
However I will be placing the order tomorrow (Thurs) at
noon so I need a quick response. Call me for further details.
In addition (unashamed plug) I will have four standard
1.75 inch pip pins available, (lightly used !) for which I
would accept offers !
Richard
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Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842804 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : richard.holder@avnet.co.uk
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Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
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Cheers,
When Tony K of NZ extolled the quality of Rivnuts as a way to cut
time in installations, I was intrigued and have managed to save time and
energy attaching various devices to their proper sites. I used both #8-32
and #10-32 models from AirSpruce and homemade applicators to install.
Lately however, having lost the knack, I tired to assemble several
in the top of the instrument coaming and lost every one through failure and
breakup (they don't seem to compress but fracture). Since the application of
a rivnut involves committing to a larger hole than usual, failure creates
complications as well as frustration. I used .250 or the rivnut would not
enter.
I looked up your Google rivnut and came across BOLLHOFF as the
maker, and a description of their "EZ - Thin Head Round Body" for 8-32
application. They recommend a hole size from .234 to .238 inches, but my
measurement of the acquired
I am drowning in self-pity here.
Ferg
Classic mono 914 CSprop
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Just been out of Uk and returned to check for Mod 73 on the PFA site - where I
saw the news about potential closure for Kemble.
Apologies if you've seen this before but if not you may wish to sign the e-petition
at:
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Kemble/
Regards
Roger Mills
Roger Mills
07921140616
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Hi Richard
I am about to do the layups for Mod 73 tomorrow so will only find out
whether I will need the longer pins when I drill them out on Friday
morning. If you cannot wait until then to place the order put me down
for a pair just in case I need them. If you can wait I could email you
the results of my findings on Friday morning. If I do need them I could
pay you on Saturday (assuming the fly-in goes ahead then). The forecast
looks a bit marginal for Saturday at the moment. I am keen to run the
event on Saturday for several reasons but if it is marginal and Sunday
is better I might have to postpone. If this happens I will be
particularly sorry for you as I know that this is the first year that
you had a chance to come. The medium term forecast has been a bit
unreliable recently so let's hope it firms up for Saturday in the next
48hrs.
Regards
Nigel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Holder
Sent: 18 July 2007 12:32
Subject: Europa-List: Longer pip pins
I need to buy longer pip pins for my elevators as a result
of Mod 73.
I have found a source and can have them back here in one
week if I buy the 2 inch long ones (1/4 inch longer than
standard). They will be about 20 or so.
Is there anyone who wants some ordered at the same time ?
I am happy to co-ordinate and re-distribute as required.
However I will be placing the order tomorrow (Thurs) at
noon so I need a quick response. Call me for further details.
In addition (unashamed plug) I will have four standard
1.75 inch pip pins available, (lightly used !) for which I
would accept offers !
Richard
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Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842804 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : richard.holder@avnet.co.uk
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Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
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| Subject: | Re: Longer pip pins |
Hi Richard,
Could you put me down for a pair, I will be finishing
off Mod 73 tonight, and almost certain I will need longer pins.
Cheers Danny. G-c.e.r.i
Home 01745 583728
Work 01745 336583
Mob 07767 088833
Richard Holder wrote:
>
> I need to buy longer pip pins for my elevators as a result
> of Mod 73.
>
> I have found a source and can have them back here in one
> week if I buy the 2 inch long ones (1/4 inch longer than
> standard). They will be about 20 or so.
>
> Is there anyone who wants some ordered at the same time ?
> I am happy to co-ordinate and re-distribute as required.
> However I will be placing the order tomorrow (Thurs) at
> noon so I need a quick response. Call me for further details.
>
> In addition (unashamed plug) I will have four standard
> 1.75 inch pip pins available, (lightly used !) for which I
> would accept offers !
>
> Richard
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>
> Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
> Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842804 (fax)
> Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
> SG12 8SH email : richard.holder@avnet.co.uk
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross
> PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
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I have had a number of replies and will be going ahead at
noon tomorrow.
Just to re-iterate - the pip pins will be 20 each, not
20 the pair !
No takers yet for some or all of the 1.75 inch ones. Come
on guys who don't need longer ones, don't you need a spare
or two :-) ?
Richard
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Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842804 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : richard.holder@avnet.co.uk
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Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
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Clearly our friends at the PFA had to do something to put their minds at re
st. They did mod 73!
They have made it clear that they do not necessarily blame disbonding as th
e source of the accident. The excercise of installing mod 73 has caused all
of us to make a very thorough check of the bond. We can be confident that
our aircraft are sound as a result.
Should it transpire that no TP6's have disbonded it will have illustrated t
hat there was not much wrong with the design. So, Why is'nt someone request
ing feedback from each aeroplane. Was your tube disbonded when you checked
it, or not?
If the PFA are not researching this information, may I suggest that the Eur
opa Club should do so? It would not be difficult to carry out such a survey
, and the result could be posted to this listing quite quickly. I am confid
ent that such a survey would give many of the doubters a great deal of reas
surance.
Meanwhile, I join David Joyce in having every confidence in the tailplane o
f my little lady, and I look forward to mounting her again very soon.
Bryan Allsop G BYSA (Sadie).
_________________________________________________________________
See what you=92re getting into=85before you go there.
http://newlivehotmail.com
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Greetings All,
I have just completed mod 73 on my own aircraft (G-RJWX) and all went
well - thankfully!
As I did the job at home and the aircraft was left at the airfield
(Sleap) I needed a substitute for the torque tube. So I borrowed the
tailplane posts off someone's trailer (mine have been galvanised and are
now too thick!).
They needed a couple of coats of paint and flatting to get a really
good, smooth finish but they were ideal.
Hope that helps.
Regards,
Ron Jones.
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Good thinking, Brian.
My TP6's were solid - an excellent bond. (Built by a good builder -
wonder who that could be?)
Regards,
Ron Jones (G-RJWX, XS No. 359)
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Does any one know how the tail plane /mass balance arm etc of the
Liberty XL2 is constructed?There must be similarities with our Europa's
Anthony van Eldik
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| Subject: | A request for adequate information from the PFA |
At the appropriate time of course,
I would greatly appreciate the forebearance of the PFA folks in
providing a complete report on Williams accident. The current
"official" information leaves me wondering what the appropriate
response of Europa owners outside of the UK should be.
The observation that the tailplanes departed is sort of a chicken vs
egg issue. Did they depart from self-excited flutter induced failure,
or was there a mechanical defect (which has been suggested) or was
there perhaps an excessive g command doublet (cf Airbus).
Were the tailplanes recovered and examined? What was their forensic
exam result? We have not heard about whether the pip pins were
still in place or absent. Was the foam pulled through? These would
seem to be vital evidence for what happened.
What were the data from the radar track. I have heard speeds ranging
from 90 to 160 kts. I have also heard straight & level flight vs. probable
high g 180 turn prior to failure. I think these data make a difference.
The wings folded. That is supposed to be a > 13g event. was it the same
event that took the stabs, or is this a theorized contruction defect also?
Were there any contributory pathologic findings? (not a morbid request,
I am an FAA designated examiner)
If changes are needed to the airframe, I'd like to make the right ones.
Until then, I think I will sit back in my plane and await the information
I can act on. Hopefully, this means when I drop in to Oshkosh next
week, it will not be from greater than 500' AGL
--------
Ira N224XS
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=124655#124655
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Im no expert on pip pins but heres a racing supplier that has a whole
range of sizes.
http://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/FASTENERS-&-CATCHES-Pip-Pins/c51_243/in
dex.html?osCsid=5de07d19bb840c10f3721bc43f13a9b8
Is there any reason why these wouldnt be suitable?
1/4" x 2" ARE COMING IN AT =A323 EACH. Not sure if that includes VAT.
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| Subject: | Updated Oshkosh Lunch Bunch |
Name Cell Dates
Type Europa
Bud Yerly 813 244-8354 24-27
Tri gear
Rich Schultz 713-703-2156 21-27
Tri gear
Bob Borger 817-992-1117 21-27
Monowheel
Ira Rampil 631-335-9582 21-27
Tri gear
Linda Rampil 631-335-9583 21-27
Tri gear
Karl Heindl None
21-27 Tri gear C-FIRS
Brian Davies 44 792 1083 599 UK 25-28
Trigear
Rick Stockton 707-303-1717 23-27
Tri gear
Pete Zutrauen 613-850-5551 21-27
Future Mono
John Wigney 704-231-7865 23-28
Mono XS - at 'Home Built Camping
Michael Grass 586-822-0333 22-26
Trigear Driving in
Goff Moore 44 7808 296388 UK 22-29
Tri-gear
Paul McAllister 262-993-4483 21-28
Mono
Thomas Theron 920-230-8283
Monowheel(South African Camp)
Roelf Theron 920-230-8283
Tri Gear(South African Camp)
Regrets since posting:
John Banhagel
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Ladies and Gentlemen,
I completed Mod 73 today and can report that I could find no faults in
the TP6 bonding, after 50 hours of flight.
That said, I have taken the opportunity to improve the pip pin hole as
well ( as mine had failed the earlier criteria) and this has given me a
good chance to ferret around inside the tailplanes. The only downside is
that I now need longer pip pins and Richard Holder is obliging with this
order.
I would also report that I can find no slop in the tailplanes, trim tabs
or mass balance weight, the latter may have been helped by the retention
of turnbuckles and outrigger wires to the mass balance arm ensuring no
sideways movement.
As I am not an engineer I am not able to argue the merits of various
options/modifications that have been discussed on this forum. However I
remain totally happy with my choice of the Europa, totally committed to
supporting the marque and other owners wherever I can, and comforted by
the knowledge that the Europa has thousands of hours successful flight
in many parts of the world and in many capable (and not so capable)
hands giving pleasure to all that come into contact with the brand.
I look forward to getting my aircraft through its Inspection and meeting
up with many of you before this flying season ends.
Regards
Steve Pitt G-SMDH Europa Trigear XS
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| Subject: | A request for adequate information from the PFA |
In one high speed VNE dive some years ago, I accidently bumped the stick
forward. I immediately began I very high speed PIO that could have gotten
real ugly. Relax, relax, relax. One more oscillation I could easily see p
arts leaving the aircraft!
Glenn> Subject: Europa-List
: A request for adequate information from the PFA> From: ira.rampil@gmail.c
om> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 14:45:41 -0700> To: europa-list@matronics.com> >
he appropriate time of course,> > I would greatly appreciate the forebearan
ce of the PFA folks in> providing a complete report on Williams accident. T
he current> "official" information leaves me wondering what the appropriate
> response of Europa owners outside of the UK should be.> > The observation
that the tailplanes departed is sort of a chicken vs> egg issue. Did they
depart from self-excited flutter induced failure,> or was there a mechanica
l defect (which has been suggested) or was> there perhaps an excessive g co
mmand doublet (cf Airbus).> Were the tailplanes recovered and examined? Wha
t was their forensic> exam result? We have not heard about whether the pip
pins were> still in place or absent. Was the foam pulled through? These wou
ld> seem to be vital evidence for what happened.> > What were the data from
the radar track. I have heard speeds ranging> from 90 to 160 kts. I have a
lso heard straight & level flight vs. probable> high g 180 turn prior to fa
ilure. I think these data make a difference.> > The wings folded. That is s
upposed to be a > 13g event. was it the same> event that took the stabs, or
is this a theorized contruction defect also?> > Were there any contributor
y pathologic findings? (not a morbid request,> I am an FAA designated exami
ner)> > If changes are needed to the airframe, I'd like to make the right o
nes.> Until then, I think I will sit back in my plane and await the informa
tion> I can act on. Hopefully, this means when I drop in to Oshkosh next> w
eek, it will not be from greater than 500' AGL> > --------> Ira N224XS> > >
> > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.
========================> >
>
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----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bryan allsop
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 4:35 PM
Subject: Europa-List: TP6 Bonding
Meanwhile, I join David Joyce in having every confidence in the tailplane
of my little lady, and I look forward to mounting her again very soon.
Bryan Allsop G BYSA (Sadie).
Wow. and I though this was about airplanes. Can we get pictures?
Jim T. ;-)
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| Subject: | Re: Updated Oshkosh Lunch Bunch |
Add my name to the list: Ken Carpenter Cell 865 805 3520 Dates 22-28 Mono
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "ALAN YERLY" <budyerly@msn.com>
Name Cell Dates
Type Europa
Bud Yerly 813 244-8354 24-27
Tri gear
Rich Schultz 713-703-2156 21-27
Tri gear
Bob Borger 817-992-1117 21-27
Monowheel
Ira Rampil 631-335-9582 21-27
Tri gear
Linda Rampil 631-335-9583 21-27
Tri gear
Karl Heindl None 21-27
Tri gear C-FIRS
Brian Davies 44 792 1083 599 UK 25-28
Trigear
Rick Stockton 707-303-1717 23-27
Tri gear
Pete Zutrauen 613-850-5551 21-27
Future Mono
John Wigney 704-231-7865 23-28 Mono
XS - at 'Home Built Camping
Michael Grass 586-822-0333 22-26 Trigear
Driving in
Goff Moore 44 7808 296388 UK 22-29 Tri-gear
Paul McAllister 262-993-4483 21-28
Mono
Thomas Theron 920-230-8283
Monowheel(South African Camp)
Roelf Theron 920-230-8283
Tri Gear(South African Camp)
Regrets since posting:
John Banhagel
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Yerly <SPAN style="mso-tab-count:
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13 244
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New Roman">Rick Stockton<SPAN style="mso-tab-count: 1"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1">
</SPAN>707-303-1717<SPAN style="mso-tab-count: 1">
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</SPAN>23-27<SPAN
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size=3>Pete Zutrauen<SPAN style="mso-tab-count: 1"> </SPAN><SPAN
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Mono</FONT></P>
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1"> </SPAN>704-231-7865 <SPAN
style="mso-tab-count:
1">
</SPAN>23-28 <SPAN style="mso-tab-count:
1"> </SPAN>Mono XS - at 'Home Built
Camping<BR>Michael Grass <SPAN style="mso-tab-count: 1">
</SPAN>586-822-0333 <SPAN
style="mso-tab-count:
1">
</SPAN>22-26 <SPAN style="mso-tab-count: 1"> </SPAN>Trigea
r Driv
ing in</FONT></P>
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</SPAN>44 7808 296388 UK<SPAN style="mso-tab-count:
1"> </SPAN>22-29<SPAN style="mso-tab-count: 1"> </SPAN><SPAN
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size=3>Paul McAllister <SPAN style="mso-tab-count: 1">
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1"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1">
</SPAN>21-28<SPAN style="mso-tab-count: 1"> </SPAN><SPAN
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Hi! Richard.
Where are you measuring ....under the head to the balls ? Mine are 2"
overall but one and three quarters head to balls.
I will know hopefully by Thursday PM. I just need to drill through in
the morning I'll revert soonest.
Bob H G-PTAG
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Holder
Sent: 18 July 2007 12:32
Subject: Europa-List: Longer pip pins
I need to buy longer pip pins for my elevators as a result
of Mod 73.
I have found a source and can have them back here in one
week if I buy the 2 inch long ones (1/4 inch longer than
standard). They will be about 20 or so.
Is there anyone who wants some ordered at the same time ?
I am happy to co-ordinate and re-distribute as required.
However I will be placing the order tomorrow (Thurs) at
noon so I need a quick response. Call me for further details.
In addition (unashamed plug) I will have four standard
1.75 inch pip pins available, (lightly used !) for which I
would accept offers !
Richard
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| Subject: | Mod 73 - Inspectors |
Hi Friends,
As I understand, finally on Mod 73 an Inspector has to check and to sign off
your work.
Meanwhile also in Germany we have received via PFA - CAA - LBA the MPD and
PFA information and we have to do that Mod also. I believe, it's good to do it,
than to talk.
So, that means PFA/CAA and LBA are working very close together.
Now my question:
A british (or english) Europa owner lives with his G registered Monowheel in
Germany.
He has to do the Mod 73 and needs an Inspector.
Can he use an LBA approved and registered one or has he to use an PFA
approved one.
What is with scotch, irish or english owners. Can a scotch one use an
english Inspector .... and so on.
In my opinion, it would be great, when say within the EU, approved
Inspectors could do this job in any country.
Are there special regulations?
Sorry, when my english is not so correct - it's late now.
Kind Regards,
Bruno Reith
Monowheel XS, nearly ready to fly.
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Hi! Ferg
Tonight I'll "patch you through" a copy of my Rivnut tool instructions.
They are excellent so long as you can get your setting sequence correct.
I have used some stainless steel type since the aluminium ones wore out
so quickly.
I was loath to try to extract the old ones since I could see them
rotating on the end of the drill! Finally used a 1/8 drill and "spotted"
them very carefully and they fall out .....but inside !
It is critical not to try to set them too tight but have confidence with
more loose settings on the tool.
Will revert....
Regards
Bob Harrison. G-PTAG ...on first stoke up day ! (awoke 4am with damn
cramp making me "fit to puke"!
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fergus Kyle
Sent: 18 July 2007 13:58
Subject: Europa-List: rivnuts
Cheers,
When Tony K of NZ extolled the quality of Rivnuts as a way to
cut
time in installations, I was intrigued and have managed to save time and
energy attaching various devices to their proper sites. I used both
#8-32
and #10-32 models from AirSpruce and homemade applicators to install.
Lately however, having lost the knack, I tired to assemble
several
in the top of the instrument coaming and lost every one through failure
and
breakup (they don't seem to compress but fracture). Since the
application of
a rivnut involves committing to a larger hole than usual, failure
creates
complications as well as frustration. I used .250 or the rivnut would
not
enter.
I looked up your Google rivnut and came across BOLLHOFF as the
maker, and a description of their "EZ - Thin Head Round Body" for 8-32
application. They recommend a hole size from .234 to .238 inches, but my
measurement of the acquired
I am drowning in self-pity here.
Ferg
Classic mono 914 CSprop
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| Subject: | Re: A request for adequate information from the PFA |
Ira,
The accident is being investigated by the AAIB (Air Accidents
Investigation Branch) - it is not within the remit of the PFA to
investigate accidents. You can be assured that the investigation will be
very thorough and will include pathological findings. Their website is
http://www.aaib.dft.gov.uk.
Simon Miles
Builder #508
rampil wrote:
>
> At the appropriate time of course,
>
> I would greatly appreciate the forebearance of the PFA folks in
> providing a complete report on Williams accident. The current
> "official" information leaves me wondering what the appropriate
> response of Europa owners outside of the UK should be.
>
> The observation that the tailplanes departed is sort of a chicken vs
> egg issue. Did they depart from self-excited flutter induced failure,
> or was there a mechanical defect (which has been suggested) or was
> there perhaps an excessive g command doublet (cf Airbus).
> Were the tailplanes recovered and examined? What was their forensic
> exam result? We have not heard about whether the pip pins were
> still in place or absent. Was the foam pulled through? These would
> seem to be vital evidence for what happened.
>
> What were the data from the radar track. I have heard speeds ranging
> from 90 to 160 kts. I have also heard straight & level flight vs. probable
> high g 180 turn prior to failure. I think these data make a difference.
>
> The wings folded. That is supposed to be a > 13g event. was it the same
> event that took the stabs, or is this a theorized contruction defect also?
>
> Were there any contributory pathologic findings? (not a morbid request,
> I am an FAA designated examiner)
>
> If changes are needed to the airframe, I'd like to make the right ones.
> Until then, I think I will sit back in my plane and await the information
> I can act on. Hopefully, this means when I drop in to Oshkosh next
> week, it will not be from greater than 500' AGL
>
> --------
> Ira N224XS
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=124655#124655
>
>
>
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