---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 07/18/07: 23 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:04 AM - Re: Europa Tailplane. (R.C.Harrison) 2. 12:22 AM - Now a minority of 2 (Paul Atkinson) 3. 04:35 AM - Longer pip pins (Richard Holder) 4. 06:03 AM - rivnuts (Fergus Kyle) 5. 07:14 AM - Kemble at Risk (ROGER MILLS) 6. 09:46 AM - Re: Longer pip pins (nigel charles) 7. 10:12 AM - Re: Longer pip pins (danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk) 8. 10:55 AM - Longer pip pins (Richard Holder) 9. 01:38 PM - TP6 Bonding (bryan allsop) 10. 01:43 PM - Re: Mod 73 (Ron Jones) 11. 02:24 PM - Re: TP6 Bonding (Ron Jones) 12. 02:24 PM - TAILPLANE (van eldik) 13. 02:46 PM - A request for adequate information from the PFA (rampil) 14. 02:53 PM - Longer Pip Pins (Carl Pattinson) 15. 02:56 PM - Updated Oshkosh Lunch Bunch (ALAN YERLY) 16. 03:01 PM - Re: TP6 Bonding (Steve Pitt) 17. 03:03 PM - Re: A request for adequate information from the PFA (glenn crowder) 18. 03:14 PM - Re: TP6 Bonding (James) 19. 03:23 PM - Re: Updated Oshkosh Lunch Bunch (kbcarpenter@comcast.net) 20. 04:43 PM - Re: Longer pip pins (R.C.Harrison) 21. 05:06 PM - Mod 73 - Inspectors (UVTReith@aol.com) 22. 08:53 PM - Re: rivnuts (R.C.Harrison) 23. 11:21 PM - Re: A request for adequate information from the PFA (simon miles) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:04:58 AM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa Tailplane. Hi! Mike It wasn=92t you who caused my concern, I felt that Jos=92s message could be read implicating my clamps (he must be excused because of the language punctuation anyway) I need to come out of my box on the clamp issue to speak for the clients who have invested in them. However =85.I=92d like to proffer some assistance to those still to do Mod 73. The major problem is locating the pip pin hole underside of the tail plane, especially if not drilled vertically (like mine :- my reason was to not have two holes through the torque tube in the same plane to improve the torque tube operational strength or that was the theory!) So mine were drilled at quite an angle and had no drain hole since they have a water tight screw cap fitted. To drill through from the top hole would have punctured the bottom skin miles from the required bush.) In the case of G-PTAG to locate the outboard rib was no problem, a strong light across the surface shows up the minute ripple in the surface under which is the rib. (wasn=92t there when the finishing and painting was done but like the fuel filler straps does begin to show externally over long term curing time) The big problem is finding the torque tube alignment =85=85.I=92m wishing I=92d thought of this before I invaded my first tail plane ! Two quite experienced eyes aligned mine but weren=92t sufficiently accurate and I=92m amazed how far out in the 12=94 distance we were=85.I found the rib as above but was initially digging the wrong way for the bush, my construction will be therefore larger. Now to the reliable fix of finding the tube alignment:- get a 5ft or 6ft wooden lath (about 5/8 =93 thick) with straight edges which snugly fits the inside of the tail plane bushes . Carefully stand the tail plane on it=92s outboard end and insert the lath down the hole through the bushes to engage with the inner bush then hang a builders plumb bob from the top forward edge of the lath (with a drawing pin) to just clear the close out flange by leaning the tail plane slightly towards the under surface, align the plumb bob line with the same edge of the lath by now tilting the tail plane in the 90 deg direction. The resultant plumb bob line line will indicate the location of the forward edge of the torque tube. Measure =BE=94 back from the line will indicate the bush centre line. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG =85..lay up of Mod 73 to still do (excavation complete!) PS. MY bushes are/were still fixed solid, with hacksaw abrasion being the original method used . (Not now so sure about the breaking of the original bond by removal of the existing flox though !????) Robt.C.Harrison -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Parkin Sent: 17 July 2007 11:38 Subject: Europa-List: Europa Tailplane. All, Bob, it was not my intention to tie in your modification with anything. I was merely pointing out that the poor design had required modifications such as your clamp and the increased diameter pins. I appreciate that you want to get flying again and my suggestion was not meant as the only answer. Plainly, the PFA in consultation Europa(2004) will devise a mod or series of mods to solve the immediate problem. However, in the longer term I do believe that the pitch control needs modification. New kits certainly need to have a system that is stronger and more durable. Perhaps along the lines that Graham is suggesting. Certainly Carls pin idea and the latch system discussed are all worthy of consideration for a long term fix for the current system. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:22:55 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Now a minority of 2 From: "Paul Atkinson" Tony The only words I disagree with are in the last sentence. You are not alone. Regards Paul Atkinson do not archive On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:32:40 +0100, Tony Wickens wrote: > Ivans idea behind the original tailplane attachent was to produce an easy > and quick way of rigging the aircraft. Regrettably time has proved this > design to be inadequate in terms of secuity. > I'm sorry but this, as a fact, is untrue. All design is a compromise and > clearly better > locking of the tailplane system (Tailplane to balance weight) to > eliminate the possibility of relative > movement is desireable. However you are premature in your statement as > the vast majority of > Europas continue to perform faultlessly. Please wait for the final AAIB > report and accept that in the > meantime Mod 73 has been introduced as belt and braces, and to cover > cases where aircraft might not > have been built in compliance with the plans. > > Mod 73 seems to make the current design even safer in terms of a > secondary security feature and > enables inspection of the integrity of the TP6 bond. I would have been > happier if a check, reportable > to Europa Aircraft, had been included with the mod to report on the > security of the TP6 bond prior to > incorporation of Mod 73. I am currently incorporating Mod 73 on a > monowheel which has been operating > for 600 hours off of a rough grass airfield and there is absolutely no > sign of disbonding of TP6. Mod 73 > further secures and captures TP6 to the tailplane structure so lets get > on and incorporate it, and cool > the speculation until we have some facts to back it up. > > Now I am getting into my bunker, and prepare for incoming missiles, > because perhaps my views are > in a majority of one, unless anyone out there knows different. > > Tony Wickens > > -- / ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:35:49 AM PST US From: Richard Holder Subject: Europa-List: Longer pip pins I need to buy longer pip pins for my elevators as a result of Mod 73. I have found a source and can have them back here in one week if I buy the 2 inch long ones (1/4 inch longer than standard). They will be about 20 or so. Is there anyone who wants some ordered at the same time ? I am happy to co-ordinate and re-distribute as required. However I will be placing the order tomorrow (Thurs) at noon so I need a quick response. Call me for further details. In addition (unashamed plug) I will have four standard 1.75 inch pip pins available, (lightly used !) for which I would accept offers ! Richard ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS) Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842804 (fax) Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile) SG12 8SH email : richard.holder@avnet.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:03:34 AM PST US From: "Fergus Kyle" Subject: Europa-List: rivnuts Cheers, When Tony K of NZ extolled the quality of Rivnuts as a way to cut time in installations, I was intrigued and have managed to save time and energy attaching various devices to their proper sites. I used both #8-32 and #10-32 models from AirSpruce and homemade applicators to install. Lately however, having lost the knack, I tired to assemble several in the top of the instrument coaming and lost every one through failure and breakup (they don't seem to compress but fracture). Since the application of a rivnut involves committing to a larger hole than usual, failure creates complications as well as frustration. I used .250 or the rivnut would not enter. I looked up your Google rivnut and came across BOLLHOFF as the maker, and a description of their "EZ - Thin Head Round Body" for 8-32 application. They recommend a hole size from .234 to .238 inches, but my measurement of the acquired I am drowning in self-pity here. Ferg Classic mono 914 CSprop ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:14:55 AM PST US From: ROGER MILLS Subject: Europa-List: Kemble at Risk Just been out of Uk and returned to check for Mod 73 on the PFA site - where I saw the news about potential closure for Kemble. Apologies if you've seen this before but if not you may wish to sign the e-petition at: http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Kemble/ Regards Roger Mills Roger Mills 07921140616 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:46:58 AM PST US From: "nigel charles" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Longer pip pins Hi Richard I am about to do the layups for Mod 73 tomorrow so will only find out whether I will need the longer pins when I drill them out on Friday morning. If you cannot wait until then to place the order put me down for a pair just in case I need them. If you can wait I could email you the results of my findings on Friday morning. If I do need them I could pay you on Saturday (assuming the fly-in goes ahead then). The forecast looks a bit marginal for Saturday at the moment. I am keen to run the event on Saturday for several reasons but if it is marginal and Sunday is better I might have to postpone. If this happens I will be particularly sorry for you as I know that this is the first year that you had a chance to come. The medium term forecast has been a bit unreliable recently so let's hope it firms up for Saturday in the next 48hrs. Regards Nigel -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Holder Sent: 18 July 2007 12:32 Subject: Europa-List: Longer pip pins I need to buy longer pip pins for my elevators as a result of Mod 73. I have found a source and can have them back here in one week if I buy the 2 inch long ones (1/4 inch longer than standard). They will be about 20 or so. Is there anyone who wants some ordered at the same time ? I am happy to co-ordinate and re-distribute as required. However I will be placing the order tomorrow (Thurs) at noon so I need a quick response. Call me for further details. In addition (unashamed plug) I will have four standard 1.75 inch pip pins available, (lightly used !) for which I would accept offers ! Richard ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS) Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842804 (fax) Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile) SG12 8SH email : richard.holder@avnet.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:12:42 AM PST US From: "danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Longer pip pins Hi Richard, Could you put me down for a pair, I will be finishing off Mod 73 tonight, and almost certain I will need longer pins. Cheers Danny. G-c.e.r.i Home 01745 583728 Work 01745 336583 Mob 07767 088833 Richard Holder wrote: > > I need to buy longer pip pins for my elevators as a result > of Mod 73. > > I have found a source and can have them back here in one > week if I buy the 2 inch long ones (1/4 inch longer than > standard). They will be about 20 or so. > > Is there anyone who wants some ordered at the same time ? > I am happy to co-ordinate and re-distribute as required. > However I will be placing the order tomorrow (Thurs) at > noon so I need a quick response. Call me for further details. > > In addition (unashamed plug) I will have four standard > 1.75 inch pip pins available, (lightly used !) for which I > would accept offers ! > > Richard > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS) > Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842804 (fax) > Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile) > SG12 8SH email : richard.holder@avnet.co.uk > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross > PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:55:44 AM PST US From: Richard Holder Subject: Europa-List: Longer pip pins I have had a number of replies and will be going ahead at noon tomorrow. Just to re-iterate - the pip pins will be 20 each, not 20 the pair ! No takers yet for some or all of the 1.75 inch ones. Come on guys who don't need longer ones, don't you need a spare or two :-) ? Richard ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS) Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842804 (fax) Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile) SG12 8SH email : richard.holder@avnet.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:38:09 PM PST US From: bryan allsop Subject: Europa-List: TP6 Bonding Clearly our friends at the PFA had to do something to put their minds at re st. They did mod 73! They have made it clear that they do not necessarily blame disbonding as th e source of the accident. The excercise of installing mod 73 has caused all of us to make a very thorough check of the bond. We can be confident that our aircraft are sound as a result. Should it transpire that no TP6's have disbonded it will have illustrated t hat there was not much wrong with the design. So, Why is'nt someone request ing feedback from each aeroplane. Was your tube disbonded when you checked it, or not? If the PFA are not researching this information, may I suggest that the Eur opa Club should do so? It would not be difficult to carry out such a survey , and the result could be posted to this listing quite quickly. I am confid ent that such a survey would give many of the doubters a great deal of reas surance. Meanwhile, I join David Joyce in having every confidence in the tailplane o f my little lady, and I look forward to mounting her again very soon. Bryan Allsop G BYSA (Sadie). _________________________________________________________________ See what you=92re getting into=85before you go there. http://newlivehotmail.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:43:47 PM PST US From: "Ron Jones" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 73 Greetings All, I have just completed mod 73 on my own aircraft (G-RJWX) and all went well - thankfully! As I did the job at home and the aircraft was left at the airfield (Sleap) I needed a substitute for the torque tube. So I borrowed the tailplane posts off someone's trailer (mine have been galvanised and are now too thick!). They needed a couple of coats of paint and flatting to get a really good, smooth finish but they were ideal. Hope that helps. Regards, Ron Jones. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:24:09 PM PST US From: "Ron Jones" Subject: Re: Europa-List: TP6 Bonding Good thinking, Brian. My TP6's were solid - an excellent bond. (Built by a good builder - wonder who that could be?) Regards, Ron Jones (G-RJWX, XS No. 359) ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:24:09 PM PST US From: van eldik Subject: Europa-List: TAILPLANE Does any one know how the tail plane /mass balance arm etc of the Liberty XL2 is constructed?There must be similarities with our Europa's Anthony van Eldik ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:46:07 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: A request for adequate information from the PFA From: "rampil" At the appropriate time of course, I would greatly appreciate the forebearance of the PFA folks in providing a complete report on Williams accident. The current "official" information leaves me wondering what the appropriate response of Europa owners outside of the UK should be. The observation that the tailplanes departed is sort of a chicken vs egg issue. Did they depart from self-excited flutter induced failure, or was there a mechanical defect (which has been suggested) or was there perhaps an excessive g command doublet (cf Airbus). Were the tailplanes recovered and examined? What was their forensic exam result? We have not heard about whether the pip pins were still in place or absent. Was the foam pulled through? These would seem to be vital evidence for what happened. What were the data from the radar track. I have heard speeds ranging from 90 to 160 kts. I have also heard straight & level flight vs. probable high g 180 turn prior to failure. I think these data make a difference. The wings folded. That is supposed to be a > 13g event. was it the same event that took the stabs, or is this a theorized contruction defect also? Were there any contributory pathologic findings? (not a morbid request, I am an FAA designated examiner) If changes are needed to the airframe, I'd like to make the right ones. Until then, I think I will sit back in my plane and await the information I can act on. Hopefully, this means when I drop in to Oshkosh next week, it will not be from greater than 500' AGL -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=124655#124655 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:53:52 PM PST US From: "Carl Pattinson" Subject: Europa-List: Longer Pip Pins Im no expert on pip pins but heres a racing supplier that has a whole range of sizes. http://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/FASTENERS-&-CATCHES-Pip-Pins/c51_243/in dex.html?osCsid=5de07d19bb840c10f3721bc43f13a9b8 Is there any reason why these wouldnt be suitable? 1/4" x 2" ARE COMING IN AT =A323 EACH. Not sure if that includes VAT. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:56:07 PM PST US From: "ALAN YERLY" Subject: Europa-List: Updated Oshkosh Lunch Bunch Name Cell Dates Type Europa Bud Yerly 813 244-8354 24-27 Tri gear Rich Schultz 713-703-2156 21-27 Tri gear Bob Borger 817-992-1117 21-27 Monowheel Ira Rampil 631-335-9582 21-27 Tri gear Linda Rampil 631-335-9583 21-27 Tri gear Karl Heindl None 21-27 Tri gear C-FIRS Brian Davies 44 792 1083 599 UK 25-28 Trigear Rick Stockton 707-303-1717 23-27 Tri gear Pete Zutrauen 613-850-5551 21-27 Future Mono John Wigney 704-231-7865 23-28 Mono XS - at 'Home Built Camping Michael Grass 586-822-0333 22-26 Trigear Driving in Goff Moore 44 7808 296388 UK 22-29 Tri-gear Paul McAllister 262-993-4483 21-28 Mono Thomas Theron 920-230-8283 Monowheel(South African Camp) Roelf Theron 920-230-8283 Tri Gear(South African Camp) Regrets since posting: John Banhagel ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:01:51 PM PST US From: "Steve Pitt" Subject: Re: Europa-List: TP6 Bonding Ladies and Gentlemen, I completed Mod 73 today and can report that I could find no faults in the TP6 bonding, after 50 hours of flight. That said, I have taken the opportunity to improve the pip pin hole as well ( as mine had failed the earlier criteria) and this has given me a good chance to ferret around inside the tailplanes. The only downside is that I now need longer pip pins and Richard Holder is obliging with this order. I would also report that I can find no slop in the tailplanes, trim tabs or mass balance weight, the latter may have been helped by the retention of turnbuckles and outrigger wires to the mass balance arm ensuring no sideways movement. As I am not an engineer I am not able to argue the merits of various options/modifications that have been discussed on this forum. However I remain totally happy with my choice of the Europa, totally committed to supporting the marque and other owners wherever I can, and comforted by the knowledge that the Europa has thousands of hours successful flight in many parts of the world and in many capable (and not so capable) hands giving pleasure to all that come into contact with the brand. I look forward to getting my aircraft through its Inspection and meeting up with many of you before this flying season ends. Regards Steve Pitt G-SMDH Europa Trigear XS ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:03:21 PM PST US From: glenn crowder Subject: RE: Europa-List: A request for adequate information from the PFA In one high speed VNE dive some years ago, I accidently bumped the stick forward. I immediately began I very high speed PIO that could have gotten real ugly. Relax, relax, relax. One more oscillation I could easily see p arts leaving the aircraft! Glenn> Subject: Europa-List : A request for adequate information from the PFA> From: ira.rampil@gmail.c om> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 14:45:41 -0700> To: europa-list@matronics.com> > he appropriate time of course,> > I would greatly appreciate the forebearan ce of the PFA folks in> providing a complete report on Williams accident. T he current> "official" information leaves me wondering what the appropriate > response of Europa owners outside of the UK should be.> > The observation that the tailplanes departed is sort of a chicken vs> egg issue. Did they depart from self-excited flutter induced failure,> or was there a mechanica l defect (which has been suggested) or was> there perhaps an excessive g co mmand doublet (cf Airbus).> Were the tailplanes recovered and examined? Wha t was their forensic> exam result? We have not heard about whether the pip pins were> still in place or absent. Was the foam pulled through? These wou ld> seem to be vital evidence for what happened.> > What were the data from the radar track. I have heard speeds ranging> from 90 to 160 kts. I have a lso heard straight & level flight vs. probable> high g 180 turn prior to fa ilure. I think these data make a difference.> > The wings folded. That is s upposed to be a > 13g event. was it the same> event that took the stabs, or is this a theorized contruction defect also?> > Were there any contributor y pathologic findings? (not a morbid request,> I am an FAA designated exami ner)> > If changes are needed to the airframe, I'd like to make the right o nes.> Until then, I think I will sit back in my plane and await the informa tion> I can act on. Hopefully, this means when I drop in to Oshkosh next> w eek, it will not be from greater than 500' AGL> > --------> Ira N224XS> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic. ========================> > > _________________________________________________________________ PC Magazine=92s 2007 editors=92 choice for best web mail=97award-winning Wi ndows Live Hotmail. ration_HMWL_mini_pcmag_0707 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:14:05 PM PST US From: "James" Subject: RE: Europa-List: TP6 Bonding ----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bryan allsop Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 4:35 PM Subject: Europa-List: TP6 Bonding Meanwhile, I join David Joyce in having every confidence in the tailplane of my little lady, and I look forward to mounting her again very soon. Bryan Allsop G BYSA (Sadie). Wow. and I though this was about airplanes. Can we get pictures? Jim T. ;-) ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:23:48 PM PST US From: kbcarpenter@comcast.net Subject: Re: Europa-List: Updated Oshkosh Lunch Bunch Add my name to the list: Ken Carpenter Cell 865 805 3520 Dates 22-28 Mono -------------- Original message -------------- From: "ALAN YERLY" Name Cell Dates Type Europa Bud Yerly 813 244-8354 24-27 Tri gear Rich Schultz 713-703-2156 21-27 Tri gear Bob Borger 817-992-1117 21-27 Monowheel Ira Rampil 631-335-9582 21-27 Tri gear Linda Rampil 631-335-9583 21-27 Tri gear Karl Heindl None 21-27 Tri gear C-FIRS Brian Davies 44 792 1083 599 UK 25-28 Trigear Rick Stockton 707-303-1717 23-27 Tri gear Pete Zutrauen 613-850-5551 21-27 Future Mono John Wigney 704-231-7865 23-28 Mono XS - at 'Home Built Camping Michael Grass 586-822-0333 22-26 Trigear Driving in Goff Moore 44 7808 296388 UK 22-29 Tri-gear Paul McAllister 262-993-4483 21-28 Mono Thomas Theron 920-230-8283 Monowheel(South African Camp) Roelf Theron 920-230-8283 Tri Gear(South African Camp) Regrets since posting: John Banhagel
Add my name to the list:  Ken Carpenter  Cell  865 805 3520     Dates 22-28  Mono
 
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From: "ALAN YERLY" <budyerly@msn.com>

Name                          Cell                            Dates              Type Europa  
Bud Yerly                     8 13 244 -8354                     24-27              Tri gear
Rich Schultz                 713-703-2156                     21-27              Tri gear
Bob Borger                  817-992-1117                  21-27                Monowheel

Ira Rampil                    631-335-9582                     21-27               Tri gear

Linda Rampil                631-335-9583                     21-27               Tri gear

Karl Heindl                  None                                   21-27               Tri gear C-FIRS
Brian Davies                 44 792 1083 599 UK            25- 28               Trigear

Rick Stockton              707-303-1717                     23-27               Tri gear

Pete Zutrauen               613-850-5551                     21-27               Future Mono

John Wigney                 704-231-7865                     23-28            Mono XS - at 'Home Built Camping
Michael Grass               586-822-0333                     22-26            Trigea r Driv ing in

Goff Moore                  44 7808 296388 UK      22-29                   Tri-gear

Paul McAllister             262-993-4483                     21-28               Mono

Thomas Theron             920-230-8283                                             Monowheel(South African Camp)

Roelf Theron                920-230-8283                                             Tri Gear(South African Camp)

 

Regrets since posting:

John Banhagel







________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:43:56 PM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Longer pip pins Hi! Richard. Where are you measuring ....under the head to the balls ? Mine are 2" overall but one and three quarters head to balls. I will know hopefully by Thursday PM. I just need to drill through in the morning I'll revert soonest. Bob H G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Holder Sent: 18 July 2007 12:32 Subject: Europa-List: Longer pip pins I need to buy longer pip pins for my elevators as a result of Mod 73. I have found a source and can have them back here in one week if I buy the 2 inch long ones (1/4 inch longer than standard). They will be about 20 or so. Is there anyone who wants some ordered at the same time ? I am happy to co-ordinate and re-distribute as required. However I will be placing the order tomorrow (Thurs) at noon so I need a quick response. Call me for further details. In addition (unashamed plug) I will have four standard 1.75 inch pip pins available, (lightly used !) for which I would accept offers ! Richard ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:06:40 PM PST US From: UVTReith@aol.com Subject: Europa-List: Mod 73 - Inspectors Hi Friends, As I understand, finally on Mod 73 an Inspector has to check and to sign off your work. Meanwhile also in Germany we have received via PFA - CAA - LBA the MPD and PFA information and we have to do that Mod also. I believe, it's good to do it, than to talk. So, that means PFA/CAA and LBA are working very close together. Now my question: A british (or english) Europa owner lives with his G registered Monowheel in Germany. He has to do the Mod 73 and needs an Inspector. Can he use an LBA approved and registered one or has he to use an PFA approved one. What is with scotch, irish or english owners. Can a scotch one use an english Inspector .... and so on. In my opinion, it would be great, when say within the EU, approved Inspectors could do this job in any country. Are there special regulations? Sorry, when my english is not so correct - it's late now. Kind Regards, Bruno Reith Monowheel XS, nearly ready to fly. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:53:52 PM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: rivnuts Hi! Ferg Tonight I'll "patch you through" a copy of my Rivnut tool instructions. They are excellent so long as you can get your setting sequence correct. I have used some stainless steel type since the aluminium ones wore out so quickly. I was loath to try to extract the old ones since I could see them rotating on the end of the drill! Finally used a 1/8 drill and "spotted" them very carefully and they fall out .....but inside ! It is critical not to try to set them too tight but have confidence with more loose settings on the tool. Will revert.... Regards Bob Harrison. G-PTAG ...on first stoke up day ! (awoke 4am with damn cramp making me "fit to puke"! -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fergus Kyle Sent: 18 July 2007 13:58 Subject: Europa-List: rivnuts Cheers, When Tony K of NZ extolled the quality of Rivnuts as a way to cut time in installations, I was intrigued and have managed to save time and energy attaching various devices to their proper sites. I used both #8-32 and #10-32 models from AirSpruce and homemade applicators to install. Lately however, having lost the knack, I tired to assemble several in the top of the instrument coaming and lost every one through failure and breakup (they don't seem to compress but fracture). Since the application of a rivnut involves committing to a larger hole than usual, failure creates complications as well as frustration. I used .250 or the rivnut would not enter. I looked up your Google rivnut and came across BOLLHOFF as the maker, and a description of their "EZ - Thin Head Round Body" for 8-32 application. They recommend a hole size from .234 to .238 inches, but my measurement of the acquired I am drowning in self-pity here. Ferg Classic mono 914 CSprop ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 11:21:16 PM PST US From: simon miles Subject: Re: Europa-List: A request for adequate information from the PFA Ira, The accident is being investigated by the AAIB (Air Accidents Investigation Branch) - it is not within the remit of the PFA to investigate accidents. You can be assured that the investigation will be very thorough and will include pathological findings. Their website is http://www.aaib.dft.gov.uk. Simon Miles Builder #508 rampil wrote: > > At the appropriate time of course, > > I would greatly appreciate the forebearance of the PFA folks in > providing a complete report on Williams accident. The current > "official" information leaves me wondering what the appropriate > response of Europa owners outside of the UK should be. > > The observation that the tailplanes departed is sort of a chicken vs > egg issue. Did they depart from self-excited flutter induced failure, > or was there a mechanical defect (which has been suggested) or was > there perhaps an excessive g command doublet (cf Airbus). > Were the tailplanes recovered and examined? What was their forensic > exam result? We have not heard about whether the pip pins were > still in place or absent. Was the foam pulled through? These would > seem to be vital evidence for what happened. > > What were the data from the radar track. I have heard speeds ranging > from 90 to 160 kts. I have also heard straight & level flight vs. probable > high g 180 turn prior to failure. I think these data make a difference. > > The wings folded. That is supposed to be a > 13g event. was it the same > event that took the stabs, or is this a theorized contruction defect also? > > Were there any contributory pathologic findings? (not a morbid request, > I am an FAA designated examiner) > > If changes are needed to the airframe, I'd like to make the right ones. > Until then, I think I will sit back in my plane and await the information > I can act on. Hopefully, this means when I drop in to Oshkosh next > week, it will not be from greater than 500' AGL > > -------- > Ira N224XS > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=124655#124655 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.