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1. 12:25 AM - Re: Updated Oshkosh Lunch Bunch (Michael Grass)
2. 01:49 AM - Re: Mod 73 - Inspectors (Peter Jeffers)
3. 02:15 AM - Re: TP6 Bonding (ROGER MILLS)
4. 03:04 AM - Re: TP6 Bonding (Carl Pattinson)
5. 04:23 AM - Re: TP6 Bonding (Jim Naylor)
6. 06:30 AM - Re: rivnuts (Ferg Kyle)
7. 07:30 AM - Re: Europa Tailplane - Mod 73 "new pip pin (danbish)
8. 08:03 AM - Re: Europa Tailplane - Mod 73 "new pip pin (rlborger)
9. 08:13 AM - First flight (josok)
10. 08:58 AM - Re: First flight (Fred Klein)
11. 09:39 AM - Re: First flight (Brian Davies)
12. 09:42 AM - Re: First flight (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen)
13. 10:00 AM - Re: First flight (Alan Burrows)
14. 11:06 AM - Re: First flight (Steve Pitt)
15. 11:19 AM - Mod 73 results (Richard Iddon)
16. 12:32 PM - Longer Pip Pins (Carl Pattinson)
17. 01:16 PM - Re: Longer Pip Pins (Steve Pitt)
18. 01:18 PM - Re: First flight (Raimo Toivio)
19. 01:19 PM - Fw: Mod 73 results (Steve Pitt)
20. 01:28 PM - Re: Longer Pip Pins (Richard Iddon)
21. 01:28 PM - Re: First flight (Graham Singleton)
22. 01:46 PM - Re: First flight (Graham Singleton)
23. 02:14 PM - Re: First flight (neveyre@aol.com)
24. 02:34 PM - Re: Longer Pip Pins (Carl Pattinson)
25. 02:44 PM - europa list; mod 73 results (danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk)
26. 02:50 PM - Re: Forced landing (Raimo Toivio)
27. 02:55 PM - Europa rules (Raimo Toivio)
28. 02:55 PM - Re: Longer Pip Pins (Carl Pattinson)
29. 03:11 PM - G-RATZ (Raimo Toivio)
30. 03:23 PM - Re: Europa rules (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
31. 03:27 PM - Re: TP6 Bonding (Graham Singleton)
32. 03:40 PM - Re: G-RATZ (Graham Singleton)
33. 03:44 PM - Re: Forced landing (Graham Singleton)
34. 04:22 PM - Re: Mod 73 - Inspectors (Graham Singleton)
35. 04:27 PM - Re: Re: Europa rules (Raimo Toivio)
36. 04:32 PM - Re: Europa rules (Rob Housman)
37. 04:34 PM - Re: Mod 73 results (Ron Jones)
38. 04:41 PM - Re: G-RATZ (Raimo Toivio)
39. 05:32 PM - Re: Europa rules (Rman)
40. 05:53 PM - Re: Mod 73 results (Tim Ward)
41. 10:06 PM - Mod 73 Fray (Steve Hagar)
42. 10:34 PM - Re: Re: Europa rules (Michel AUVRAY)
43. 11:17 PM - Re: TP6 Bonding (Carl Pattinson)
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| Subject: | Re: Updated Oshkosh Lunch Bunch |
Bud,
I got a message from Myron with the request to be added to the list so
I added Myron and Ken
----- Original Message -----
From: ALAN YERLY
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 5:54 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Updated Oshkosh Lunch Bunch
Name Cell Dates
Type Europa
Bud Yerly 813 244-8354 24-27
Tri gear
Rich Schultz 713-703-2156 21-27
Tri gear
Bob Borger 817-992-1117 21-27
Monowheel
Ira Rampil 631-335-9582 21-27
Tri gear
Linda Rampil 631-335-9583 21-27
Tri gear
Karl Heindl None
21-27 Tri gear C-FIRS
Brian Davies 44 792 1083 599 UK 25-28
Trigear
Rick Stockton 707-303-1717 23-27
Tri gear
Pete Zutrauen 613-850-5551 21-27
Future Mono
John Wigney 704-231-7865 23-28
Mono XS - at 'Home Built Camping
Michael Grass 586-822-0333 22-26
Trigear Driving in
Goff Moore 44 7808 296388 UK 22-29
Tri-gear
Paul McAllister 262-993-4483 21-28
Mono
Thomas Theron 920-230-8283
Monowheel(South African Camp)
Roelf Theron 920-230-8283
Tri Gear(South African Camp)
Ken Carpenter 865 805 3520 22-28
Mono
Capt. Myron Haluschak (USAF) None 23-29
Mono XS, building
Regrets since posting:
John Banhagel
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| Subject: | Mod 73 - Inspectors |
Hi Bruno,
The simple answer to your question re inspection is that if the a/c is
=91G=92
registered and is flying on a PFA permit to fly issued by the British
CAA
then it will have to be signed off by a PFA inspector or CAA group
licensed
engineer.
A caveat to that is that the PFA may be able to issue some form of
concession to allow a local engineer to cover it on a one off basis. One
question who normally signs for this aircraft on a routine basis?
Best course of action is to write directly to Francis Donaldson at the
PFA
(HYPERLINK
"mailto:francis.donaldson@pfa.org.uk"francis.donaldson@pfa.org.uk)
I hope this helps with the problem.
_____
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
UVTReith@aol.com
Sent: 19 July 2007 01:06
Subject: Europa-List: Mod 73 - Inspectors
Hi Friends,
As I understand, finally on Mod 73 an Inspector has to check and to sign
off
your work.
Meanwhile also in Germany we have received via PFA - CAA - LBA the MPD
and
PFA information and we have to do that Mod also. I believe, it's good to
do
it, than to talk.
So, that means PFA/CAA and LBA are working very close together.
Now my question:
A british (or english) Europa owner lives with his G registered
Monowheel in
Germany.
He has to do the Mod 73 and needs an Inspector.
Can he use an LBA approved and registered one or has he to use an PFA
approved one.
What is with scotch, irish or english owners. Can a scotch one use an
english Inspector .... and so on.
In my opinion, it would be great, when say within the EU, approved
Inspectors could do this job in any country.
Are there special regulations?
Sorry, when my english is not so correct - it's late now.
Kind Regards,
Bruno Reith
Monowheel XS, nearly ready to fly.
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16/07/2007
17:42
16/07/2007
17:42
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Like Bryan and Bob Harrison, I too found an excellent bond between rib and TP6
and agree with Bryan's point about feedback - here's some more which might help
others:
1. I agree with the guidance in mod 73 not to use power tools - I used hand tools
and was glad I did, the foam is easily damaged.
2. Having had (I thought) almost 3/8" play at the tailplane trailing edge, I
intended to do mod 62 at the same time as mod 73. Having extracted the torque
tube from the fuselage, I find that the pins are reasonably tight and there is
significantly less TP12 to TP4 play than first thought. Investigation shows that
there is some wear between the TP11s and TP12s which contributes to the play
observed on the aircraft. After 440 hours, TP11 appears to be hardly worn
but there is a visible track worn into TP12 and some eccentricity (a bit like
its owner?). I have seen the same wear pattern on other online photographs of
TP12s - so I'm not alone! Since Mod 62 might not lead to a significant improvement,
I'm tending towards not doing it until there is more wear - to avoid risking
ending up with the a similar degree of play and nowhere else to go (apart
from Bob's clamp mod maybe). Presumably TP11 to TP12 wear is not as critical
as TP12 to TP4 - assuming good mass balance? Which
leads to the next point:
3. While the tailplanes and torque tube were out of the aircraft I decided to
do a check of the mass balance and was surprised to find the assembly 78g too
heavy at the weight end. I genuinely thought I had achieved a good re-balance
in situ after mod 70 but the friction in the control system was enough to mask
the imbalance. How many more Europas are like this and might it have contributed
to the accident?
Since correct mass balance is so critical and removal of the torque tube (albeit
a pain) takes less than a day's work, it might be worth doing this at the
same time as mod 73 - giving the advantage of peace of mind and also being able
to use your own torque tube for a better layup than wrapping tape around plastic
pipe as some have suggested?
Hope this helps!
Roger Mills
Roger Mills
07921140616
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Roger,
I am willing to stand corrected but my understanding is that the
balancing should be done with the torque tube "in situ" and with the
rest of the control system connected.
The control system forward of the torque tube horn will have a bearing
on the overall balance of the pitch installation. Disconnecting this
IMHO will give a less than optimum setup.
Carl Pattinson
G-LABS
3. While the tailplanes and torque tube were out of the aircraft I
decided to do a check of the mass balance and was surprised to find the
assembly 78g too heavy at the weight end. I genuinely thought I had
achieved a good re-balance in situ after mod 70 but the friction in the
control system was enough to mask the imbalance. How many more Europas
are like this and might it have contributed to the accident?
Since correct mass balance is so critical and removal of the torque
tube (albeit a pain) takes less than a day's work, it might be worth
doing this at the same time as mod 73 - giving the advantage of peace of
mind and also being able to use your own torque tube for a better layup
than wrapping tape around plastic pipe as some have suggested?
Hope this helps!
Roger Mills
Roger Mills
07921140616
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Roger,
I think you will find that the apparent wear on your TP12 is in fact
where it was ground by the manufacturers to true up the original tube. I
have seen a new, complete assembly that has never been fitted with
apparent wear marks, but on closer examination it cam be seen to be a
ridge left after grinding. The TP12's on my own a/c were never ground
very well, with the result when I grasp the torque tube and rock it, I
have a slight movement up and down, but nothing in the horizontal plane.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: ROGER MILLS
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: TP6 Bonding
Like Bryan and Bob Harrison, I too found an excellent bond between rib
and TP6 and agree with Bryan's point about feedback - here's some more
which might help others:
1. I agree with the guidance in mod 73 not to use power tools - I used
hand tools and was glad I did, the foam is easily damaged.
2. Having had (I thought) almost 3/8" play at the tailplane trailing
edge, I intended to do mod 62 at the same time as mod 73. Having
extracted the torque tube from the fuselage, I find that the pins are
reasonably tight and there is significantly less TP12 to TP4 play than
first thought. Investigation shows that there is some wear between the
TP11s and TP12s which contributes to the play observed on the aircraft.
After 440 hours, TP11 appears to be hardly worn but there is a visible
track worn into TP12 and some eccentricity (a bit like its owner?). I
have seen the same wear pattern on other online photographs of TP12s -
so I'm not alone! Since Mod 62 might not lead to a significant
improvement, I'm tending towards not doing it until there is more wear -
to avoid risking ending up with the a similar degree of play and nowhere
else to go (apart from Bob's clamp mod maybe). Presumably TP11 to TP12
wear is not as critical as TP12 to TP4 - assuming good mass balance?
Which leads to the next point:
3. While the tailplanes and torque tube were out of the aircraft I
decided to do a check of the mass balance and was surprised to find the
assembly 78g too heavy at the weight end. I genuinely thought I had
achieved a good re-balance in situ after mod 70 but the friction in the
control system was enough to mask the imbalance. How many more Europas
are like this and might it have contributed to the accident?
Since correct mass balance is so critical and removal of the torque
tube (albeit a pain) takes less than a day's work, it might be worth
doing this at the same time as mod 73 - giving the advantage of peace of
mind and also being able to use your own torque tube for a better layup
than wrapping tape around plastic pipe as some have suggested?
Hope this helps!
Roger Mills
Roger Mills
07921140616
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Bob, Your attention most appreciated..... I think it's the size of hole I made
because both copies snapped in two (ring in hole and centre piece separated).
I hope we are talking about the same size/kind of rivnut (from AS&S) which are
low profile tops and - #8 - about 0.250" just under that top. I found only
Bollhoff pages to describe them and they are not the same size as I bought. Apparently
Bollhoff bought out Rivnut Indiana in 2001 - and they didn't ask any
of us permission.
I used SS #8 bolts with double washers and SS nuts, but sense the rivnuts
must be PULLED not twisted up into themselves, and don't have the tool - maybe
that's the answer.
Anyway, awaiting your message with anticipation!
Cheers, Ferg
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Tailplane - Mod 73 "new pip pin |
Hi Bob,
Thanks for the post about pins. I too ordered some pins from them so I'd have extras
and to replace one I botched up. I first found them on-line but noticed
they have distributors, a couple of which were in Tucson, so I'm assuming that
they have them in other towns. If we could just get the correct model number
that would be a big help. There is definitely an art to getting just the right
one. It took the local guys here 3 tries to get it right!
Happy building and (in your case...soon) flying.
Dan
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Tailplane - Mod 73 "new pip pin |
Hi Dan,
Actually, not that difficult to figure out when you sort out the code. The code
is available on the Carr-Lane website. From the main page, go to their catalog
page. Select Alignment Pins from the left side menu. Select the Double-Acting
Ball Lock Pin. That page comes up in the "Features" option. Select the
"Dimensions" option. The Code is at the bottom of that page.
CL - (diameter in 16ths) - BPD(handle type, R,T,L) - grip length (decimal inches)
- add S for stainless steel - add D for drive-out option - add 4BALL for 4
balls (2 standard) - add C for attached cable.
So: CL-4-BPDR-2.00 yields a 1/4 inch diameter, Ring handle, 2.00 inch grip length,
steel, 2 balls, no cable.
Or: CL-5-BPDT-2.25-S-4BALL-C yields a 5/16 diameter, Tee handle, 2.25 Inch grip
length, stainless steel, 4 ball with cable.
I hope this helps.
Looking forward to meeting those at Oshkosh!
Good building and great flying,
Bob Borger
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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Today, at the hands of Ivan Shaw the Northernmost built and based Europa XS kit
600 OH-XJO took the air.
It flies great, ball in the middle, no hands on the controls, no tabs. Far better
then i expected :-) and i am still baffled. Temperatures are a bit high on
the Dynon, but it's probably one of the sensors, since the engine does not feel
hot.
For the records: It's a XS monowheel, with a Rotax 914ULS, Woodcomp SR 3000, Smart
Avionics CSG-1/G cs controller, Dynon 180, 2 generators, 2 batteries, 409
kg or 901 pounds on the scale. Built started end October 2003, and i counted
about 2300 hours on the job, including some 40 hours for the upholsterer fitting
the Europa interior kit, 250 hours for the filler and sander, and 90 hours
for the painters.
My thanks go out to all who have helped with good advice, moral support, hands
on work, or just good criticism. The list of names is too long to mention, and
i would risk forgetting somebody, but i can't go around without mentioning Raimo
Toivio who advised to buy a plane if flying was the objective, William Mills
and Dave Buzz, accompanied by Paul Sweeting and Graham Singleton, who flew
all the way up here to boost the build, Andy and Nev, John and Roger wit h good
advice and the right articles at the right time.
Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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| Subject: | Re: First flight |
A very big congratulations Jos and thanks for your many thoughtful
contributions to this forum.
Enjoy the midnight sun from 10,000 feet with many happy landings,
Fred
A194
On Thursday, July 19, 2007, at 08:07 AM, josok wrote:
>
> Today, at the hands of Ivan Shaw the Northernmost built and based
> Europa XS kit 600 OH-XJO took the air.
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Fantastic news, Jos,
Thanks for all the detail for the database.
I wish you many hours of happy and safe flying.
Best regards
Brian Davies
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of josok
Sent: 19 July 2007 16:08
Subject: Europa-List: First flight
Today, at the hands of Ivan Shaw the Northernmost built and based Europa XS
kit 600 OH-XJO took the air.
It flies great, ball in the middle, no hands on the controls, no tabs. Far
better then i expected :-) and i am still baffled. Temperatures are a bit
high on the Dynon, but it's probably one of the sensors, since the engine
does not feel hot.
For the records: It's a XS monowheel, with a Rotax 914ULS, Woodcomp SR 3000,
Smart Avionics CSG-1/G cs controller, Dynon 180, 2 generators, 2 batteries,
409 kg or 901 pounds on the scale. Built started end October 2003, and i
counted about 2300 hours on the job, including some 40 hours for the
upholsterer fitting the Europa interior kit, 250 hours for the filler and
sander, and 90 hours for the painters.
My thanks go out to all who have helped with good advice, moral support,
hands on work, or just good criticism. The list of names is too long to
mention, and i would risk forgetting somebody, but i can't go around without
mentioning Raimo Toivio who advised to buy a plane if flying was the
objective, William Mills and Dave Buzz, accompanied by Paul Sweeting and
Graham Singleton, who flew all the way up here to boost the build, Andy and
Nev, John and Roger wit h good advice and the right articles at the right
time.
Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
15:30
15:30
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| Subject: | Re: First flight |
Jos,
Congratulations - and welcome to the Nordic flying Europa population!
Enjoy!
Best regards,
Svein
LN-SKJ
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Congratulations Jos. I'm sure you will have many happy years flying her.
Alan
15:30
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| Subject: | Re: First flight |
Well done Jos -delighted to hear your news. Was it more difficult building
the plane than fitting doors in Florida (private joke!).
Dave B was trying to get me to fly to Finland this year to see you but
weather and accidents caused a no show. Here's to the future.
Regards
Steve Pitt
G-SMDH
PS I would be very interested to hear how you get on with the Woodcomp and
controller.
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There has been a suggestion that 'someone' should collate the findings
and results from doing mod 73.
I have also noted the way that the visitors to Oshkosh have added their
names to a round robin list. Maybe we could do something similar on the
forum for the mod.
As an example or to make a start
Name Country Airplane reg.
Progress on mod 73 Disbonding of TP6 pip pins used Any
problems found
Richard Iddon UK G-RIXS
Completed None found 2 in.
Nothing major
If anyone has any better idea, please feel free to add to the above,
modify or offer suggestions. Once most members have done the mod the
results can be emailed to the PFA although I guess that they will be
monitoring this site.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
18/07/2007 15:30
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One thing that has been puzzling me over the last couple of days is why Mod
73 should require longer pip pins than those originally supplied - 1.75"
My aircraft hasnt undergone the mod as yet and at present there is between
2-3mm play when you tug on the pip pins. My understanding is that mod 73
requires two plies of bid over the top of the TP6 sleeve and this should add
no more than 1.5mm to the overall diameter so my pins should still fit.
I dont have the original build instructions to hand but the drawing in FSB
006 shows the pip pin touching the top of TP6 (no layer of bid or flox
underneath). Mine certainly has a hole drilled through the bid/ flox base
such that there is no gap between the pip pin shoulder and the upper surface
of TP6. I used a woodworkers drill bit, not a twist drill to make the hole.
The need for longer pins would suggest that some top pip pin recesses have
an excessive amount of flox (or even foam !!!) at their base which is taking
up unnecessary length.
It might be worth asking the Europa if it is acceptable to drill a hole
through the top recess so that the shoulder of the pin sits flush with TP6
( the drawing certainly suggests this is how it should be). I would have
thought it perfectly acceptable, especially after Mod 73 has been done. This
would eliminate the need to buy longer pins.
No doubt someone will come up with a good reason why this is a bad idea -
but nothing ventured etc.
Carl Pattinson
G-LABS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ferg Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: rivnuts
>
> Bob, Your attention most appreciated..... I think it's the size of hole
> I made because both copies snapped in two (ring in hole and centre piece
> separated). I hope we are talking about the same size/kind of rivnut (from
> AS&S) which are low profile tops and - #8 - about 0.250" just under that
> top. I found only Bollhoff pages to describe them and they are not the
> same size as I bought. Apparently Bollhoff bought out Rivnut Indiana in
> 2001 - and they didn't ask any of us permission.
> I used SS #8 bolts with double washers and SS nuts, but sense the
> rivnuts must be PULLED not twisted up into themselves, and don't have the
> tool - maybe that's the answer.
> Anyway, awaiting your message with anticipation!
> Cheers, Ferg
>
>
> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Longer Pip Pins |
Carl
To answer your questions; I have completed Mod 73 and ordered new 2" pins -
my reason is that I had non standard pip pin holes where the sides were not
structural. I have therefore redone the holes but left the base of the
original hole in place (2 circles of bid floxed to TP6.) My new pip pin
recess then had 2 more plys of bid formed into cones and added to the top of
TP6. Accordingly with the 4 plys of bid on the underneath, and 4 plys on the
top I have added 0.1" of fibreglass )plus any build up of flox) to the
outside diameter measurement of the TP6 tube. All this adds upto the pip
pins being fractionally too short (probably about 0.05" to 0.15".
In answer to your second point about grinding away the base of the TP6 pip
pin hole, I spoke to Andy regarding this and he confirmed that it would be
in order but as long as the plys in the under pip pin hole were not touched.
I have taken the view that I would prefer extra belt and braces for my
installation and have ordered the new pins accordingly. I had not
appreciated that the pip pins did not have to contact either top or bottom
surfaces as long as they do not migrate out of the holes.
So you can see that you may very well be OK with your installation and it is
the rest of us who have added extra layers for no good reason.
I hope this concurs with other Europa owners views.
Regards
Steve Pitt
G-SMDH
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| Subject: | Re: First flight |
Great Jos - warmest congratulations!
Now there are two Europas flying fast in the Northernmost sky.
Lets formulate a squadron of two Finnish Europas
(both are Monos of course just for creating some extra testosteron).
I hardly can wait some formation flying with two OH-registered Europas.
Lets keep our Europas in one piece (when flying).
You are living just now through one of the most thrilling moment in mans
life.
You deserve it - you are worth of it. I will tell below a little story of
Jos w my eyes.
He called me about 5 years ago and asked if he can come and visit my
project.
After some weeks he called me and he was here in Lempaala.
In my workshop he decided "I am going to build an Europa".
After some months he called me he has picked up whole kit from England by
car.
After some some months he called me he has completed his flying licence in
Florida.
After some months he called me he has converted it to the Finnish version.
His building speed has been breathtaking and it inspired also me to complete
the
rest 90% after 90% was already done. Thank You.
Raimo
===
Europa Mono, 16 hrs and 68 landings so far and feels very good
Cessna C172, forced landing to the forest in EFRU 2/7/2007 but I was very
lucky
Beech C18, standing quietly and waiting for some mercy
----- Original Message -----
From: "josok" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 6:07 PM
Subject: Europa-List: First flight
>
> Today, at the hands of Ivan Shaw the Northernmost built and based Europa
> XS kit 600 OH-XJO took the air.
>
> It flies great, ball in the middle, no hands on the controls, no tabs. Far
> better then i expected :-) and i am still baffled. Temperatures are a bit
> high on the Dynon, but it's probably one of the sensors, since the engine
> does not feel hot.
>
> For the records: It's a XS monowheel, with a Rotax 914ULS, Woodcomp SR
> 3000, Smart Avionics CSG-1/G cs controller, Dynon 180, 2 generators, 2
> batteries, 409 kg or 901 pounds on the scale. Built started end October
> 2003, and i counted about 2300 hours on the job, including some 40 hours
> for the upholsterer fitting the Europa interior kit, 250 hours for the
> filler and sander, and 90 hours for the painters.
>
> My thanks go out to all who have helped with good advice, moral support,
> hands on work, or just good criticism. The list of names is too long to
> mention, and i would risk forgetting somebody, but i can't go around
> without mentioning Raimo Toivio who advised to buy a plane if flying was
> the objective, William Mills and Dave Buzz, accompanied by Paul Sweeting
> and Graham Singleton, who flew all the way up here to boost the build,
> Andy and Nev, John and Roger wit h good advice and the right articles at
> the right time.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jos Okhuijsen
>
>
> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
>
>
>
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Richard -excellent idea - I have added an extra column in case this is
an issue.
Steve Pitt
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Iddon
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 7:19 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Mod 73 results
There has been a suggestion that 'someone' should collate the findings
and results from doing mod 73.
I have also noted the way that the visitors to Oshkosh have added their
names to a round robin list. Maybe we could do something similar on the
forum for the mod.
As an example or to make a start
Name Country Airplane reg. Type
Progress on mod 73 Disbonding of TP6 pip pins used Any
problems found
Richard Iddon UK G-RIXS
Completed None found 2
in. Nothing major
Steve Pitt UK G-SMDH Tri gear
Completed None found 2"
Nothing major
If anyone has any better idea, please feel free to add to the above,
modify or offer suggestions. Once most members have done the mod the
results can be emailed to the PFA although I guess that they will be
monitoring this site.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
18/07/2007 15:30
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Actually Carl, there are four layers of bid at the point where the pip
pin exits, two small 1" square reinforcing patches then the two large
pieces. Also mine had two layers of bid in the top recess and I don't
want to disturb these as I think they provide extra retention for the
pins in case the TP6 disbonds. My pins are not quite long enough now.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl
Pattinson
Sent: 19 July 2007 20:31
Subject: Europa-List: Longer Pip Pins
<carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
One thing that has been puzzling me over the last couple of days is why
Mod
73 should require longer pip pins than those originally supplied - 1.75"
My aircraft hasnt undergone the mod as yet and at present there is
between
2-3mm play when you tug on the pip pins. My understanding is that mod 73
requires two plies of bid over the top of the TP6 sleeve and this should
add
no more than 1.5mm to the overall diameter so my pins should still fit.
18/07/2007 15:30
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| Subject: | Re: First flight |
Brilliant Jos!
give Ivan and Judith my regards and tell him to be gentle with you when
he checks you out! Be wise to check for crud in the fuel filter more
than once too.
Graham
btw tell Judith to be gentle with him! We need him.
josok wrote:
>
> Today, at the hands of Ivan Shaw the Northernmost built and based Europa XS kit
600 OH-XJO took the air.
>
> It flies great, ball in the middle, no hands on the controls, no tabs. Far better
then i expected :-) and i am still baffled.
>
> Jos Okhuijsen
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| Subject: | Re: First flight |
Raimo
You are right, Jos is a man in a m,illion. I can listen to him for
hours. Once I can get him talking!
I am pleased the 172 didn't bite you! Another example that trees can be
better than rocks perhaps?
Graham
Raimo Toivio wrote:
>
> Raimo
> ===
> Europa Mono, 16 hrs and 68 landings so far and feels very good
> Cessna C172, forced landing to the forest in EFRU 2/7/2007 but I was
> very lucky
> Beech C18, standing quietly and waiting for some mercy
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "josok" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 6:07 PM
> Subject: Europa-List: First flight
>
>
>>
>> Today, at the hands of Ivan Shaw the Northernmost built and based
>> Europa XS kit 600 OH-XJO took the air.
>>
>> It flies great, ball in the middle, no hands on the controls, no tabs.
>> Far better then i expected :-) and i am still baffled. Temperatures
>> are a bit high on the Dynon, but it's probably one of the sensors,
>> since the engine does not feel hot.
>>
>> For the records: It's a XS monowheel, with a Rotax 914ULS, Woodcomp SR
>> 3000, Smart Avionics CSG-1/G cs controller, Dynon 180, 2 generators, 2
>> batteries, 409 kg or 901 pounds on the scale. Built started end
>> October 2003, and i counted about 2300 hours on the job, including
>> some 40 hours for the upholsterer fitting the Europa interior kit, 250
>> hours for the filler and sander, and 90 hours for the painters.
>>
>> My thanks go out to all who have helped with good advice, moral
>> support, hands on work, or just good criticism. The list of names is
>> too long to mention, and i would risk forgetting somebody, but i can't
>> go around without mentioning Raimo Toivio who advised to buy a plane
>> if flying was the objective, William Mills and Dave Buzz, accompanied
>> by Paul Sweeting and Graham Singleton, who flew all the way up here to
>> boost the build, Andy and Nev, John and Roger wit h good advice and
>> the right articles at the right time.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jos Okhuijsen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Graham Singleton
Tel: +441629820187
Mob: +447739582005
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Hey Jos, you Finnish ? !
-----Original Message-----
From: josok <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
Sent: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 4.07pm
Subject: Europa-List: First flight
Today, at the hands of Ivan Shaw the Northernmost built and based Europa XS kit
600 OH-XJO took the air.
It flies great, ball in the middle, no hands on the controls, no tabs. Far
better then i expected :-) and i am still baffled. Temperatures are a bit high
on the Dynon, but it's probably one of the sensors, since the engine does not
feel hot.
For the records: It's a XS monowheel, with a Rotax 914ULS, Woodcomp SR 3000,
Smart Avionics CSG-1/G cs controller, Dynon 180, 2 generators, 2 batteries, 409
kg or 901 pounds on the scale. Built started end October 2003, and i counted
about 2300 hours on the job, including some 40 hours for the upholsterer fitting
the Europa interior kit, 250 hours for the filler and sander, and 90 hours for
the painters.
My thanks go out to all who have helped with good advice, moral support, hands
on work, or just good criticism. The list of names is too long to mention, and
i
would risk forgetting somebody, but i can't go around without mentioning Raimo
Toivio who advised to buy a plane if flying was the objective, William Mills and
Dave Buzz, accompanied by Paul Sweeting and Graham Singleton, who flew all the
way up here to boost the build, Andy and Nev, John and Roger wit h good advice
and the right articles at the right time.
Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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| Subject: | Re: Longer Pip Pins |
Richard
That explains things and I can see why you wouldnt want to remove any layers
of bid fron the upper recess. The standard design dosent seem to have much
contact area at the base
Is there any reason why one couldnt cut away a small amount of the bottom
bid layups using the tip of a twist drill - just enough to allow the pip to
open. I cant see this compromising the strength of the bottom layups.
My pip pin holes are non standard being circular 4cm in diameter and
consequently the base has a much greater area in contact with TP6. This has
turned out to be an unintentional advantage over the standard design - and
comply with the minimum dimensions in PFA FSB 006.
Carl
G-LABS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 9:28 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Longer Pip Pins
>
> Actually Carl, there are four layers of bid at the point where the pip
> pin exits, two small 1" square reinforcing patches then the two large
> pieces. Also mine had two layers of bid in the top recess and I don't
> want to disturb these as I think they provide extra retention for the
> pins in case the TP6 disbonds. My pins are not quite long enough now.
>
> Richard Iddon G-RIXS
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl
> Pattinson
> Sent: 19 July 2007 20:31
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Longer Pip Pins
>
> <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> One thing that has been puzzling me over the last couple of days is why
> Mod
> 73 should require longer pip pins than those originally supplied - 1.75"
>
> My aircraft hasnt undergone the mod as yet and at present there is
> between
> 2-3mm play when you tug on the pip pins. My understanding is that mod 73
>
> requires two plies of bid over the top of the TP6 sleeve and this should
> add
> no more than 1.5mm to the overall diameter so my pins should still fit.
>
>
> 18/07/2007 15:30
>
>
>
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| Subject: | europa list; mod 73 results |
Richard, Job done, added my details. Danny
There has been a suggestion that 'someone' should collate the findings
and results from doing mod 73.
I have also noted the way that the visitors to Oshkosh have added their
names to a round robin list. Maybe we could do something similar on the
forum for the mod.
As an example or to make a start
*Name Country Airplane reg. Type
Progress on mod 73 Disbonding of TP6 pip pins used Any
problems found *
Richard Iddon UK
G-RIXS Completed
None found 2 in. Nothing major
Steve Pitt UK G-SMDH Tri gear
Completed None found 2"
Nothing major
Danny Shepherd UK G-CERI tri gear
completed none found 2"
nothing
If anyone has any better idea, please feel free to add to the above,
modify or offer suggestions. Once most members have done the mod the
results can be emailed to the PFA although I guess that they will be
monitoring this site.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
18/07/2007 15:30
*
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
*
*
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| Subject: | Re: Forced landing |
Oujes Graham,
trees are better than rocks - you can burn them!
In fact I happily found a (very narrow, only 3 m /10 feet)
road between trees. No damages at all. Reason for forced
landing: upside-down connected trimming cables after major
service. I promise the C172 nose was very heavy after take-off
and I trimmed it to be even more to the maximum. I have always
checked the locigal moving directions of the ailerons, rudder
and tailplanes. After this accident I add to my list also trim.
I hate those ISO9001 qualified workshop failures for certified aircrafts.
This kind of a poor workmanship kills people. My test pilot has had
4 times of forced landing situation and every time it was
because of the repairman error.
Learning: if you wanna be sure fly only by an experimental or
by a new plane (with all those known factory errors)!
Raimo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham Singleton" <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 11:49 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: First flight
> <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
>
> Raimo
> You are right, Jos is a man in a m,illion. I can listen to him for hours.
> Once I can get him talking!
> I am pleased the 172 didn't bite you! Another example that trees can be
> better than rocks perhaps?
> Graham
>
> Raimo Toivio wrote:
>
>>
>> Raimo
>> ===
>> Europa Mono, 16 hrs and 68 landings so far and feels very good
>> Cessna C172, forced landing to the forest in EFRU 2/7/2007 but I was very
>> lucky
>> Beech C18, standing quietly and waiting for some mercy
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "josok" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
>> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 6:07 PM
>> Subject: Europa-List: First flight
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Today, at the hands of Ivan Shaw the Northernmost built and based Europa
>>> XS kit 600 OH-XJO took the air.
>>>
>>> It flies great, ball in the middle, no hands on the controls, no tabs.
>>> Far better then i expected :-) and i am still baffled. Temperatures are
>>> a bit high on the Dynon, but it's probably one of the sensors, since the
>>> engine does not feel hot.
>>>
>>> For the records: It's a XS monowheel, with a Rotax 914ULS, Woodcomp SR
>>> 3000, Smart Avionics CSG-1/G cs controller, Dynon 180, 2 generators, 2
>>> batteries, 409 kg or 901 pounds on the scale. Built started end October
>>> 2003, and i counted about 2300 hours on the job, including some 40
>>> hours for the upholsterer fitting the Europa interior kit, 250 hours for
>>> the filler and sander, and 90 hours for the painters.
>>>
>>> My thanks go out to all who have helped with good advice, moral support,
>>> hands on work, or just good criticism. The list of names is too long to
>>> mention, and i would risk forgetting somebody, but i can't go around
>>> without mentioning Raimo Toivio who advised to buy a plane if flying was
>>> the objective, William Mills and Dave Buzz, accompanied by Paul Sweeting
>>> and Graham Singleton, who flew all the way up here to boost the build,
>>> Andy and Nev, John and Roger wit h good advice and the right articles at
>>> the right time.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Jos Okhuijsen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Graham Singleton
>
> Tel: +441629820187
> Mob: +447739582005
>
>
>
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All
I proudly let you know my Europa XS Monowheel OH-XRT
has been chosen to be as The Experimental of The Year 2007
and me personally to be as The Builder of The Year 2007
in Finland by Finnish EAA in Jami Flyin last Saturday.
They pointed it=B4s unusual high finishing quality and its many small
details.
All the main Finnish newspapers noticed the event and for example
Aamulehti "morning news", which is the 2nd largest news paper in the
country wrote a full page story of my Europa with many colour pics.
I think in future in Finland there will be more than two Europas!
There were visiting 9000 peoples and about 100 planes,
also one from England (wonderful Extra 300 G-EXEA).
All the planes had also a very rare possibility to land to the
emergency langing site, which was actually a bit of
highway. It was also a homebase for one DC3 during that
magical weekend.
Check www.jamiflyin.com
The pages will be updated soon.
Why not add it to your next summer schedule?
It is only one hour from Helsinki to the EFJM by Europa
and overall feeling is like it is in Barkaby Fly Inn in Sweden.
I will attach a pic of XRT with a victory trophy and some others.
My wife strictly ordered me to write I have promised her
to repaint the spinner to cream asap. In her mind it is spoiling the
whole plane and I have to guess she is right because she usually is.
What do you think?
Welcome 2008, Raimo
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| Subject: | Re: Longer Pip Pins |
Forget what I just said - I just read the Mod 73 instructions again and it
says you cant - not sure why though.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carl Pattinson" <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Longer Pip Pins
> <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> Richard
>
> That explains things and I can see why you wouldnt want to remove any
> layers of bid fron the upper recess. The standard design dosent seem to
> have much contact area at the base
>
> Is there any reason why one couldnt cut away a small amount of the bottom
> bid layups using the tip of a twist drill - just enough to allow the pip
> to open. I cant see this compromising the strength of the bottom layups.
>
> My pip pin holes are non standard being circular 4cm in diameter and
> consequently the base has a much greater area in contact with TP6. This
> has turned out to be an unintentional advantage over the standard design -
> and comply with the minimum dimensions in PFA FSB 006.
>
> Carl
> G-LABS
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 9:28 PM
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Longer Pip Pins
>
>
>>
>> Actually Carl, there are four layers of bid at the point where the pip
>> pin exits, two small 1" square reinforcing patches then the two large
>> pieces. Also mine had two layers of bid in the top recess and I don't
>> want to disturb these as I think they provide extra retention for the
>> pins in case the TP6 disbonds. My pins are not quite long enough now.
>>
>> Richard Iddon G-RIXS
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl
>> Pattinson
>> Sent: 19 July 2007 20:31
>> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Europa-List: Longer Pip Pins
>>
>> <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
>>
>> One thing that has been puzzling me over the last couple of days is why
>> Mod
>> 73 should require longer pip pins than those originally supplied - 1.75"
>>
>> My aircraft hasnt undergone the mod as yet and at present there is
>> between
>> 2-3mm play when you tug on the pip pins. My understanding is that mod 73
>>
>> requires two plies of bid over the top of the TP6 sleeve and this should
>> add
>> no more than 1.5mm to the overall diameter so my pins should still fit.
>>
>>
>>
>> 18/07/2007 15:30
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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All in England
After the last weekend publicity I got a letter
from Mr. Rolph Muller. He moved out from England
1997 and sold his Europa G-RATZ in those days.
He has settled to Finland and got married two weeks
ago w Finnish Lady and hi is living hear nearby.
He would like to have "a memory flight" w my XRT
and also some information from the G-RATZ.
I think she is well today - am I right? Maybe somebody
or the owner himself could send me some info and pics.
I will transmit everything to him. Thank you.
Raimo
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| Subject: | Re: Europa rules |
Raimo,
Congratulations to you and your aircraft. I think we can all stand a little
taller and more proud when one of "our" planes tops the list of all in an
entire country.
Do you have any pix of you panel? Is the underside of your aircraft really
painted dark? Black, blue, brown? Any reasoning for this?
Mike Duane A207A
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Jabiru 3300
Sensenich R64Z N
Ground Adjustable Prop
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Carl
I could be corrected too but imho because the rest of the pitch control
system only moves fore and aft it won't influence balance, so I would
think balancing disconnected is OK. The rest of system will affect
natural resonant frequency but not the initial response due to G loading.
Tell me if I' wrong?
Graham
Carl Pattinson wrote:
> Roger,
>
> I am willing to stand corrected but my understanding is that the
> balancing should be done with the torque tube "in situ" and with the
> rest of the control system connected.
>
> The control system forward of the torque tube horn will have a bearing
> on the overall balance of the pitch installation. Disconnecting this
> IMHO will give a less than optimum setup.
>
> Carl Pattinson
> G-LABS
>
>
> 3. While the tailplanes and torque tube were out of the aircraft I
> decided to do a check of the mass balance and was surprised to find
> the assembly 78g too heavy at the weight end. I genuinely thought I
> had achieved a good re-balance in situ after mod 70 but the friction
> in the control system was enough to mask the imbalance. How many
> more Europas are like this and might it have contributed to the
> accident?
> Since correct mass balance is so critical and removal of the torque
> tube (albeit a pain) takes less than a day's work, it might be worth
> doing this at the same time as mod 73 - giving the advantage of
> peace of mind and also being able to use your own torque tube for a
> better layup than wrapping tape around plastic pipe as some have
> suggested?
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> Roger Mills
>
>
>
> /Roger Mills
> 07921140616/
>
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Raimo
would you believe I did the first flight on G-RATZ! Give Rolph my regards.
Graham
Raimo Toivio wrote:
> All in England
>
> After the last weekend publicity I got a letter
> from Mr. Rolph Muller. He moved out from England
> 1997 and sold his Europa G-RATZ in those days.
>
> He has settled to Finland and got married two weeks
> ago w Finnish Lady and hi is living hear nearby.
>
> He would like to have "a memory flight" w my XRT
> and also some information from the G-RATZ.
> I think she is well today - am I right? Maybe somebody
> or the owner himself could send me some info and pics.
> I will transmit everything to him. Thank you.
>
> Raimo
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Forced landing |
Raimo
there was a very good repair company at Leeds airport, Yorkshire Light
Aviation. The engineer who did the checks was required to go on the
first test flight. I always thought that was a good principal.
They were good those guys and I remember them with affection, the boss
Mike Rockcliffe died recently but they lived and loved aviation.
Graham
Raimo Toivio wrote:
> <raimo.toivio@rwm-systems.fi>
>
> Oujes Graham,
Reason for forced
> landing: upside-down connected trimming cables after major
> service. I promise the C172 nose was very heavy after take-off
> and I trimmed it to be even more to the maximum.
>
> Learning: if you wanna be sure fly only by an experimental or
> by a new plane (with all those known factory errors)!
>
> Raimo
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| Subject: | Re: Mod 73 - Inspectors |
Pete & Bruno
I am almost certain that they won't. Pity but there you go, we all have
our problems
Graham
Peter Jeffers wrote:
> Hi Bruno,
>
> A caveat to that is that the PFA /may/ be able to issue some form of
> concession to allow a local engineer to cover it on a one off basis. One
> question who normally signs for this aircraft on a routine basis?
>
>
>
> Best course of action is to write directly to Francis Donaldson at the
> PFA (francis.donaldson@pfa.org.uk <mailto:francis.donaldson@pfa.org.uk>)
>
>
>
> I hope this helps with the problem.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Europa rules |
Mike
Thank you.
I think Europa-owners are today the tallest pilots ever.
And still growing...
Attaced a panel pic - it was not completed half year ago.
I should take a more vendible pic some day.
The underside colour is really dark, RAL colour named unusual blackred
(looks sometimes black, sometimes brown and sometimes purple).
The wing undersides and tailplane undersides has been painted like
triangle
- so Lady Windmaker Tuuli-Ilmatar looks like a bird when flying over.
Reason: The main reason to exist for OUR Europa XRT is to be beautiful.
We thought double colour underlines Europa Mono=B4s beautiful shape.
We do not like any strips or stars...
And if you can have white planes there in California, we can definetely
fly here by
cream colour plane (we fly most of the time top up of course)! Sun is so
rare visitor here, unfortunately.
Raimo
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Raimo,
Congratulations to you and your aircraft. I think we can all stand a
little taller and more proud when one of "our" planes tops the list of
all in an entire country.
Do you have any pix of you panel? Is the underside of your aircraft
really painted dark? Black, blue, brown? Any reasoning for this?
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Redding, California
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Mike -
In re: dark paint
Don't even think about it. Where we live and fly, on warm days the heat
reflected off the ramp will be sufficient to soften the epoxy-fiberglass
enough to reduce the strength of the structure. Sure it will be OK at
altitude but you still have to climb away from the surface. Folks flying
closer to the Arctic Circle don't have to worry about getting the airframe
too hot.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Irvine, California
Europa XS Tri-Gear
S/N A070
Airframe complete
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
DuaneFamly@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa rules
Raimo,
Congratulations to you and your aircraft. I think we can all stand a little
taller and more proud when one of "our" planes tops the list of all in an
entire country.
Do you have any pix of you panel? Is the underside of your aircraft really
painted dark? Black, blue, brown? Any reasoning for this?
Mike Duane A207A
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Jabiru 3300
Sensenich R64Z N
Ground Adjustable Prop
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| Subject: | Re: Mod 73 results |
Good idea, Richard!
Name Country Airplane reg. Type
Progress on mod 73 Disbonding of TP6 pip pins used Any
problems found
Richard Iddon UK G-RIXS
Completed None found 2
in. Nothing major
Steve Pitt UK G-SMDH Tri gear
Completed None found 2"
Nothing major
Ron Jones UK G-RJWX Mono
Completed None found Original
None
If anyone has any better idea, please feel free to add to the above,
modify or offer suggestions. Once most members have done the mod the
results can be emailed to the PFA although I guess that they will be
monitoring this site.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
18/07/2007 15:30
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So small is an Europa-world...
Rolph will get your regards!
raimo
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham Singleton" <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 1:41 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: G-RATZ
> <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
>
> Raimo
> would you believe I did the first flight on G-RATZ! Give Rolph my regards.
> Graham
>
> Raimo Toivio wrote:
>> All in England
>> After the last weekend publicity I got a letter
>> from Mr. Rolph Muller. He moved out from England
>> 1997 and sold his Europa G-RATZ in those days.
>> He has settled to Finland and got married two weeks
>> ago w Finnish Lady and hi is living hear nearby.
>> He would like to have "a memory flight" w my XRT
>> and also some information from the G-RATZ.
>> I think she is well today - am I right? Maybe somebody
>> or the owner himself could send me some info and pics.
>> I will transmit everything to him. Thank you.
>> Raimo
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>
> --
> Graham Singleton
>
> Tel: +441629820187
> Mob: +447739582005
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mod 73 results |
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
CHRISTCHURCH 8052
Ph :64 03 3515166
Mob: 021 0640221
email:
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Jones
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 73 results
Good idea, Richard!
Name Country Airplane reg. Type
Progress on mod 73 Disbonding of TP6 pip pins used Any
problems found
Richard Iddon UK G-RIXS
Completed None found 2
in. Nothing major
Steve Pitt UK G-SMDH Tri gear
Completed None found 2"
Nothing major
Ron Jones UK G-RJWX Mono
Completed None found Original
Tim Ward NZ ZK-TIM Mono
Not Done None Found
Original Very slight movement in
starboard TP12. Present on
installing (1998)- no
worse.
If anyone has any better idea, please feel free to add to the above,
modify or offer suggestions. Once most members have done the mod the
results can be emailed to the PFA although I guess that they will be
monitoring this site.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
18/07/2007 15:30
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I have been keeping out of the fray as I did not want to add to the 30 or
so E mails every night. This doesn't apply to the European types as they
must pay homage to the PFA. I am surprised to note that no one has
mentioned a modification that was detailed in what I believe was sent in to
the Europa Newsletter when it was being published years ago. I had done
this to my tail planes and it appears to be pretty robust and not dependent
on the TP6 debonding to keep the integrity of mating of the drive pins at
the tail plane root. The deviation involved making a receptacle in the
top of the tailplane out of an internally threaded PVC pipe stub. Mine
has about an inch and a half inside diameter. This is positioned so that
the pip pin is almost touching the inboard periphery of the ID. Debonding
of TP6 would result in the pin acting in shear against the inside of the
receptacle, holding the tailplane in place. I turned the OD of the unit a
little over 2" before I bonded down into the meaty thickness of the upper
tailplane. A plug was turned to thread into the cavity top so this holds
the pip pin in weather the balls are sprung or not. I don't have alot of
hours on the aircraft yet for a history however it has been rigged and
derigged at least 75~100 times. I have had the TP5's come loose and have
done work on them. These are exposed to greater stress as when you put
the planes on and they are not exactly level you invariably have some
levering action going on until you get things started and pushed in.
Just My 2 cents
Steve Hagar
A143
Mesa AZ
N40SH
> [Original Message]
> From: josok <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 7/14/2007 11:01:39 AM
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Tailplane - Mod 73
>
>
> Hi Richsrd,
>
>
http://www.europaclub.org.uk/mods/improved_tp5_and_tp6_sleeve_retention.shtm
l
>
> Europa club pages,
>
> Regards,
>
> Jos Okhuijsen
>
>
> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
>
>
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hello Raimo,
IThanks for yours pictures, I see the panel picture, you install the dynon
efis behind the gear lever, do you see correctly the screen in flight? and
do you have complete acces to the buttons also in flight?
If you have others pictures panel please send to me.
Thanks
Michel AUVRAY
Builder 145 > 320 hours flight
-----Message d'origine-----
De : owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]De la part de Raimo Toivio
Envoy : vendredi 20 juillet 2007 01:28
: europa-list@matronics.com
Objet : Re: Re: Europa-List: Europa rules
Mike
Thank you.
I think Europa-owners are today the tallest pilots ever.
And still growing...
Attaced a panel pic - it was not completed half year ago.
I should take a more vendible pic some day.
The underside colour is really dark, RAL colour named unusual blackred
(looks sometimes black, sometimes brown and sometimes purple).
The wing undersides and tailplane undersides has been painted like
triangle
- so Lady Windmaker Tuuli-Ilmatar looks like a bird when flying over.
Reason: The main reason to exist for OUR Europa XRT is to be beautiful.
We thought double colour underlines Europa Monos beautiful shape.
We do not like any strips or stars...
And if you can have white planes there in California, we can definetely
fly here by
cream colour plane (we fly most of the time top up of course)! Sun is so
rare visitor here, unfortunately.
Raimo
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Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 1:22 AM
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Raimo,
Congratulations to you and your aircraft. I think we can all stand a
little taller and more proud when one of "our" planes tops the list of all
in an entire country.
Do you have any pix of you panel? Is the underside of your aircraft
really painted dark? Black, blue, brown? Any reasoning for this?
Mike Duane A207A
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Jabiru 3300
Sensenich R64Z N
Ground Adjustable Prop
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Graham,
I wouldnt dream of telling you you are wrong.
If anyone is likely to know the answer it would be you.
Regards,
Carl.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham Singleton" <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: TP6 Bonding
> <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
>
> Carl
> I could be corrected too but imho because the rest of the pitch control
> system only moves fore and aft it won't influence balance, so I would
> think balancing disconnected is OK. The rest of system will affect natural
> resonant frequency but not the initial response due to G loading.
> Tell me if I' wrong?
> Graham
>
> Carl Pattinson wrote:
>> Roger,
>>
>
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