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1. 01:01 AM - Re: Mod 73 results (Richard Iddon)
2. 03:49 AM - Re: anr headsets (Jeremy Davey)
3. 07:15 AM - Re: anr headsets (Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com)
4. 08:00 AM - Evans coolant (John & Paddy Wigney)
5. 08:41 AM - Instruments (David Joyce)
6. 10:09 AM - Mod 73 results (Richard Iddon)
7. 11:14 AM - Workshop Sizes (Richard Churchill-Coleman)
8. 11:33 AM - Re: Mod 73 listing (Michel AUVRAY)
9. 11:41 AM - Re: Re: Europa accident G-HOFC - PFA comment (Rowland & Wilma Carson)
10. 01:03 PM - Request for information - play in tailplane drive - Loctite (Roger Bull)
11. 01:38 PM - Re: Europa accident G-HOFC - PFA comment (rampil)
12. 06:24 PM - First Annual Europa Fly in Reminder (Paul McAllister)
13. 11:18 PM - Trike trailer required urgently.... (R.C.Harrison)
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Thanks Niels.
Added to the list.
Richard.
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Niels Kock
Sent: 29 July 2007 16:50
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 73 results
Richard, here are my mod 73 results:
Name: Niels Kock
Country DK
Aircr. reg OY-ODA
Type Mono Classic
Progress Completed
Disbonding TP6 None
Pins Original
Problems No slop
Kind regards,
Niels Kock
28/07/2007 15:50
28/07/2007 15:50
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Thanks, Svein, and a really good point on the metal scratching the windows -
that was also a concern.
Kind regards,
Jeremy
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sidsel & Svein
Johnsen
Sent: 28 July 2007 06:56
Subject: Re: Europa-List: anr headsets
<sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no>
Jeremy,
To your question:
> I have heard it said that the Bose ANR headsets (Aviation X) aren't
> brilliant with a Rotax - due to the frequencies being so much higher than
> with a Lycosaurus. Can anyone out their comment?
>
I have used this headset for about two years, but have no experience with
other ANR sets. To my ears they are as effective (and very noticeably
effective) in my Europa with Rotax as in Cessna 172s and Piper Cherokees
with Lycomings.
Apart from the comfort of much less noise in the ears, a side effect is that
you speak in a more normal voice on the radio - no need to "shout" to
overcome noise. Also, using the cell phone via an adapter (I have
SafetyCell's) for the headset's mike and headphones works fine.
I have padded the metal going over the top of my head to avoid scratches in
the window in bumpy air.
Regards,
Svein
LN-SKJ
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I borrowed a friends Bose headset, and was not that impressed due to the
lack of passive noise reduction.
I did not realise how much high frequency clatter the 912S generates.
Checking the ANR headsets at Oshkosh last year, I liked the Sennheiser,
had excellent passive reduction, but priced
high enough to make me stay with my old Sigtronics set for the time being.
Dave A061
"Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com>
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RE: Europa-List: anr headsets
I have heard it said that the Bose ANR headsets (Aviation X) aren't
brilliant with a Rotax - due to the frequencies being so much higher than
with a Lycosaurus. Can anyone out their comment?
Regards,
Jeremy
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Hi Jos,
I have had Evans NPG+ in my plane for about a year now. No problems. I
have 550 hours on the engine. At full throttle cruise at 5500 rpm, I
have coolant temps of 85 to 95 deg C. It rarely goes over 100 deg C,
perhaps during the climb, even in summer temperatures here.
By the way, congratulations on your Shaw memorial cup award - well
deserved.
Cheers, John
N262WF, mono XS, 912S, standard radiator and oil cooler installation.
Mooresville, North Carolina
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Subject: Europa-List: evans, temps
From: "josok" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
Hi All, Is there still somebody using Evans,and if so, what temps do you
see?
Regards, Jos Okhuijsen
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As I am upgrading my panel I have the following instruments for sale at half
list price. All were new for my first flight in 2002:
RCAllen RCA 26AK-3 electrical horizon
Icom A200 Radio
Wultrad Falcon FM-2 2.25 in 2000fpm VSI
Wultrad Falcon GM510-2 2.25in G meter
I also have a much loved Garmin GPSMap 295 which I will sell for a silly
price and a Garmin GTX 320 mode C transponder which I will give away for
next to nothing!
Contact me off forum or ring 01454 260 542 David Joyce, G=XSDJ
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Dear All,
Below are up to date results of mod 73 implementation.
Please note that I shall be away for about a week from tomorrow but
please keep the results coming. I will update the table and re publish
on my return.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
Name
Country
Reg
Type
Hours
Landing sfc.
Mod 73 progress
Disbonding of TP6
Pip Pins
Problems found
Richard Iddon
UK
G-RIXS
Tri gear
365
Tarmac
Completed
None found
2in.
nothing major
Steve Pitt
UK
G-SMDH
Tri gear
46
Grass
Completed
None found
2in.
nothing major
Ron Jones
UK
G-RJWX
Mono
320
Both
Completed
None found
Original
None
Tim Ward
NZ
ZK-TIM
Mono
Not done
None found
Original
Very slight movement in starboard TP12. Present on installing (1998)-
no worse
Danny Shepherd
UK
G-CERI
Tri Gear
Completed
None found
2in.
Pete Jeffers
UK
G-BVIZ
Tri Gear
Completed
None found
2in.
well within limits
Brian Davies
UK
G-DDBD
Tri Gear
20
mixed
Completed
None found
1.9in.
none
Graham Drake
UK
G-CCOV
Mono
60
Mostly Hard
Completed
None found
2in.
Sarah Attubato
UK
G-BWDP
Mono
N/A
N/A
Completed
None found
2in.
These are new replacement tailplanes that had already been built
David Watts
UK
G-BXDY
Mono
1250
Mostly Grass
Completed
None found
2in.
Nigel Charles
UK
G-MIME
Mono
Completed
None found
2in.
nothing major
Mike Clews
UK
G-OMIK
Mono
500
Grass
Completed
None found
Original
nothing major
Arthur Orchard
uk
G-JOST
Tri Gear
17.5 hrs
Tar/Mac
completed
none found
original
nothing found
Colin Smallwood
UK
G-DEBR
Tri Gear
Tarmac
W.I.P
None found
2in
TP5 Port,Moved .25" Outboard
Alasdair Milne
UK
G-CBYN
Tri Gear
470
Grass
Completed
None
original
none
Trev Pond
UK
G-LINN
Tri Gear
Grass
Completed
None found
Original
none
Robert Marston
UK
G-CDBX
Tri Gear
230
Grass
Completed
None
Original
Bob Fairall
UK
G-BXLK
Mono
385
Grass
Completed
2=94
None
Geoff Leedham
UK
G-EOFS
tri Gear
320
Grass
Completed
None found
1.9"
None found
Stephen Vestuti
UK
G-CEBV
Tri Gear
22
Tarmac
Completed
Duncan McFadyean
UK
G-BXII
Tail Dragger
360
Mostly grass
Completed
none found
original
none
Karel Vranken
B
F-PKRL
Mono
60
Both
Done 2002
None found
Original
I did exactly what mod 73 prescribes before doing the lay ups.
Richard Holder
UK
G-OWWW
Tri Gear Classic
257
70% Grass
Completed
Port side disbonded
2in.
Some movement between left hand TP12 and TP4 ' within limits.
Bob Harrison
UK
G-PTAG
Tri Gear
600
Completed
None
Original
Torque tube clamps fitted.
Bruno Reith kit 379
D-EUVT
XS Mono
Just finished
Grass
Completed
Anthony van Eldik
UK
G-FLOR
Mono Classic
217
Grass
Completed
None
Original
None
David Joyce
UK
G-XSDJ
Mono
510
Both
Completed
None found
Original
Nothing significant.
Niels Kock
DK
OY-ODA
Mono
Completed
None
Original
No slop
Roddy Kesterton
UK
G-IKRK
Mon Classic wings
110
Mainly Grass
Completed
None found
2in.
None
29/07/2007 23:14
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Roger - a non-urgent one for you. At some point can you give me the
dimensions of the BID and UNI glass rolls that will come with the kit so I
can start building a glass cloth cupboard with rollers to store the cloth.
Thanks
rcc
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I add my Mod 73 report
Michel Auvray Builder N145
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De : owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]De la part de Richard Iddon
Envoy : lundi 23 juillet 2007 19:52
A : europa-list@matronics.com
Objet : RE: Europa-List: Mod 73 listing
Richard.
Thanks for taking this on. I have attached the most complete spreadsheet
that I have managed to compile from results posted on the forum.
I also paste it below. You should be able to read one or the other.
Name
Country
Reg
Type
Hours
Landing sfc.
Mod 73 progress
Disbonding of TP6
Pip Pins
Problems found
Richard Iddon
UK
G-RIXS
Tri gear
365
Tarmac
Completed
None found
2in.
nothing major
Steve Pitt
UK
G-SMDH
Tri gear
46
Grass
Completed
None found
2in.
nothing major
Ron Jones
UK
G-RJWX
Mono
320
Both
Completed
None found
Original
None
Tim Ward
NZ
ZK-TIM
Mono
Not done
None found
Original
Very slight movement in starboard TP12. Present on installing
(1998)- no worse
Danny Shepherd
UK
G-CERI
Tri Gear
Completed
None found
2in.
Pete Jeffers
UK
G-BVIZ
Tri Gear
Completed
None found
2in.
well within limits
Brian Davies
UK
G-DDBD
Tri Gear
20
mixed
Completed
None found
1.9in.
none
Graham Drake
UK
G-CCOV
Mono
60
Mostly Hard
Completed
None found
2in.
Sarah Attubato
UK
G-BWDP
Mono
N/A
N/A
Completed
None found
2in.
These are new replacement tailplanes that had already been built
David Watts
UK
G-BXDY
Mono
1250
Mostly Grass
Completed
None found
2in.
Nigel Charles
UK
G-MIME
Mono
Completed
None found
2in.
nothing major
Mike Clews
UK
G-OMIK
Mono
500
Grass
Completed
None found
Original
nothing major
Arthur Orchard
uk
G-JOST
Tri Gear
17.5 hrs
Tar/Mac
completed
none found
original
nothing found
Colin Smallwood
UK
G-DEBR
Tri Gear
Tarmac
W.I.P
None found
2in
TP5 Port,Moved .25" Outboard
Alasdair Milne
UK
G-CBYN
Tri Gear
Completed
None
original
none
Trev Pond
UK
G-LINN
Tri Gear
Grass
Completed
None found
Original
none
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Holder
Sent: 23 July 2007 17:41
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: Europa-List: Mod 73 listing
Team
I don't know if anyone else has been having trouble
reading the list of completed Mod 73 aircraft. I have. I
just get a list with one item on each line.
I have taken the liberty of creating something much more
readable in .pdf format. Of course it is non-editable, but
I suggest that all other reports should come to me and I
will add them to the list and republish - say twice a
week. I am fairly certain that after the "tag your details
onto the end of this" approach, several sets of info have
been lost. I took this list from trevpond's email of this
afternoon.
To that end please check the attached .pdf and mail me
direct with any omissions, changes or additions.
The bad news is that when I post my results I will end up
destroying the perfect symmetry of "no TP6 disbonding
found" :-(
Richard Holder
G-OWWW High Cross
22/07/2007 19:02
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| Subject: | Re: Europa accident G-HOFC - PFA comment |
At 2007-07-29 12:36 -0700 Finklea wrote:
>Not only did this plane have a full factory tank of fuel, Ken,much
>to my dismay, also had 1 or 2 aux plastic Evinrude tanks that
>erupted upon impact
Finklea - I am very sad to hear that an experienced pilot was
persuaded to be aboard an aircraft with such a dangerous-sounding
fuel arrangment.
The likelihood of surviving a low-level stall-spin incident is low at
the best of times; I would not care to stack the odds against myself
by adding a potential bomb to my baggage.
Was the Evinrude tank restrained & plumbed-in in a way that minimised
any possibility of fuel spillage on impact? I've not looked at the
factory-supplied long range tank, but I'm sure it addresses these
concerns. If you choose a different route to provide more fuel on
board, you're conducting an experiment, the result of which, by
definition, is unknown.
What was the gross weight & CG of the aircraft at departure? Two
adults (how heavy?) plus the extra fuel tank(s) might have put it
over-gross or out of balance; maybe there was some baggage aboard
too. Did the Pilot-in-Command conduct a weight and balance
calculation before departure? Did the PiC review the options for
dealing with engine-failure-after-takeoff before depature?
I've just be re-validating my licence in C152s (a factory-built type
with a fairly good safety record); much of the dual time was spent,
not seeing if I could keep the dirty side down or find some distant
waypoint, but on exploring my ability (a) to make sure the aircraft
and its systems were fit for flight before committing to takeoff, and
(b) to make decisions that would contribute to my survival in the
event of unexpected failures. It was not assumed that this simple and
basically safe type would refuse to bite if the pilot took his eye
off the ball, and the same is true of all aircraft types.
regards
Rowland
--
| Rowland Carson PFA #16532 http://home.clara.net/rowil/aviation/
| 760 hours building Europa #435 G-ROWI e-mail <rowil@clara.net>
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| Subject: | Request for information - play in tailplane drive - Loctite |
As part of the ongoing investigation into play in the tailplane drive
line, we at E04 have carried out testing on a sample torque tube and TP9,
using Loctite. We tested 638 and 603; in each of 3 cases the TP9 buckled
but the Loctite held.
To enable us to extend the work we should be most grateful if those
builders who have used Loctite in this application would let me know how
many hours they have flown since applying the Loctite, and if there had ever
been any breakdown of the bond. If possible it would also be helpful to
know how many landings since the application.
Please send any replies to my work e-mail roger@europa-aircraft.com
Many thsnks.
Roger
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| Subject: | Re: Europa accident G-HOFC - PFA comment |
Finklea,
I am sorry indeed about your brother and Ken.
I am always grateful for information which allows me to improve
flight safety! I imagine your friend at the NTSB can not say anything now
we do not already know about that fateful incident.
As has already been mentioned here, the Rotax engine is not
demonstrably better or worse in its safety design than other aviation
engines. Its modern high performance alloys are offset a bit by the dual
carburetor setup which allows a desynchrony failure mode.
A full tank of gas does not help if it is switched off, or if junk clogs the
filter or the carbs, or if the mechanical fuel pump fails, or if the airbox
equalization tubes dislodge, etc, etc, etc.
Please know that this group (for the most part) is grateful for information
and will evaluate what is presented dispassionately.
Condolences,
--------
Ira N224XS
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126431#126431
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| Subject: | First Annual Europa Fly in Reminder |
Hi all,
Just a reminder that the first annual US Europa Fly in will be held at Rough
River, Kentucky for an informal get together of flyers, builders and
aviation buffs from August 31 to September 2, 2007
Rough River is part of the Kentucky State Park system with its own airport
(2I3), camping facilities and a lodge, which is walking distance from the
airport. The lodge offers both rooms and cabin style accommodation.
Rough River offers walking trails, fishing, beach, golfing and a large
marina that has rental craft of all sizes available.
At the time of writing plenty of accommodation is available, however this
quickly fills as the weather warms up.
For more in Rough River take a look at
http://parks.ky.gov/resortparks/rr/
http://www.roughriverlaketourism.com/acc.htm
http://www.airnav.com/airport/2I3
For reservations call 800-325-1713. We are encouraging everyone to book
early as this is labor day weekend and the accommodation will quickly fill
up.
Please let me or Jeff know if you are contemplating attending. It would
help us better plan the event if we had an approximate head count.
Paul can be contacted on paul.mcallister@qia.net
Jeff can be contacted on topglock@cox.net
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| Subject: | Trike trailer required urgently.... |
Hi !All East Midland UK Operators
My trailer has "turned its toes up" after 9 years just as I need it to
move G-PTAG (Axles corroded and split, new set on order but 6 week
turnround.!)
Any one for a trailer to rent pm Wednesday (Tomorrow ) through Friday
please contact me on :- 07973 832741
REGARDS
Bob Harrison
Do not archive.
Robt.C.Harrison
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