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1. 02:48 AM - New 914 won't "kill" on either ignition circuit.... (R.C.Harrison)
2. 03:04 AM - Re: New 914 won't "kill" on either ignition circuit.... (David Joyce)
3. 03:08 AM - Re: Europa colours (Raimo Toivio)
4. 04:12 AM - Re: New 914 won't "kill" on either ignition circuit.... (Gilles Thesee)
5. 05:16 AM - main tyre (Raimo Toivio)
6. 06:20 AM - Exhaust Manifold Coatings (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com)
7. 06:49 AM - Re: Europa colours (James)
8. 08:25 AM - Re: First Annual Europa Fly in Reminder (Andrew Sarangan)
9. 09:04 AM - Possible DOTH 6th August. (nigel charles)
10. 09:31 AM - Re: New 914 won't "kill" on either ignition circuit.... (Jerry Rehn)
11. 09:48 AM - Re: Exhaust Manifold Coatings (Jerry Rehn)
12. 09:49 AM - Re: Possible DOTH 6th August. (David Watts)
13. 09:56 AM - Re: Europa colours (Raimo Toivio)
14. 10:29 AM - DOTH Wed 1st Panshanger (Paddy Clarke)
15. 10:36 AM - Re: Possible DOTH 6th August. (Paddy Clarke)
16. 10:37 AM - DOTH Wed 1st Panshanger (Paddy Clarke)
17. 11:18 AM - Re: Possible DOTH 6th August. (William Harrison)
18. 11:21 AM - Re: DOTH Wed 1st Panshanger (William Harrison)
19. 11:51 AM - Re: Europa colours (gregoryf.flyboy)
20. 11:57 AM - Re: Possible DOTH 6th August. (nigel charles)
21. 01:39 PM - Re: DOTH Wed 1st Panshanger (rick)
22. 01:40 PM - Attending Rough River Fly-in... (Jeff B)
23. 01:42 PM - Re: First Annual Europa Fly in Reminder (Jeff B)
24. 01:56 PM - Re: Request for information - play in tailplane drive - Loctite (Jeff B)
25. 02:02 PM - Re: Attending Rough River Fly-in... (Steve Crimm)
26. 02:32 PM - Re: New 914 won't "kill" on either ignition circuit.... (R.C.Harrison)
27. 02:34 PM - Re: Attending Rough River Fly-in... (JEFF ROBERTS)
28. 03:15 PM - Re: New 914 won't "kill" on either ignition circuit.... (Jerry Rehn)
29. 04:02 PM - Re: Attending Rough River Fly-in... (Andrew Sarangan)
30. 05:16 PM - Re: Request for information - play in tailplane drive - Loctite (Bill and Sue)
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| Subject: | New 914 won't "kill" on either ignition circuit.... |
Hi! All
Sign of times ahead ?
My brand new 914 will not stop? (except by fuel switch) Any ideas
..except external mag kill wires, switches and shieldings?
All external wires and switches have been proven OK.
Arthur from North Wales says someone recently in the USA had a similar
problem?
BTW thanks for trailer responses I believe I'm fixed up from Lincoln.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
Robt.C.Harrison
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| Subject: | Re: New 914 won't "kill" on either ignition circuit.... |
Bob I had a similar problem with my 914 in early days. It boiled down to the
quality of the earthing connections in the mag circuits. Regards, David
----- Original Message -----
From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 10:46 AM
Subject: Europa-List: New 914 won't "kill" on either ignition circuit....
> Hi! All
> Sign of times ahead ?
> My brand new 914 will not stop? (except by fuel switch) Any ideas
> ..except external mag kill wires, switches and shieldings?
> All external wires and switches have been proven OK.
> Arthur from North Wales says someone recently in the USA had a similar
> problem?
> BTW thanks for trailer responses I believe I'm fixed up from Lincoln.
> Regards
> Bob Harrison G-PTAG
>
> Robt.C.Harrison
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Europa colours |
Dear Karel,
Yes in Suomi we like to reinvent things and make them better.
Like a phone and the result is history like www.nokia.com
(and it is not created to attract attention only you know!).
Despite that I have to mention Thomas S & Co are not Finnish.
There are also some other people on the ball thinking by their own
brains.
By the way you have on your Europa sides golden strips pointing straight
to the sun.
What a hot spot!
Aren=C2=B4t you worried one day the fuselage joint will be melt and you
have a canoe stage again during your flight ;)
Sorry I forgot those little dark strips, pics, stars, letters, numbers
etc mean nothing...
Kind Regards, Raimo
================
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OH-XRT Europa XS Mono #417, The Experimental of The Year
OH-CVK C172 Skyhawk, totally restored 2006-2007
OH-BLL Beechcraft C45, w radial engines (grounded)
37500 Lempaala
Finland
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----- Original Message -----
From: karelvranken
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 12:52 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa colours
Raimo,
The only one glider with another color than white was a Finnish Pik 20
B in the World Championships in Waikiri (Australia). It was light
yellow.
Seems that in Suomi they experiment to reinvent the wheel even if only
to attract attention. Differences in temperature for the same structure
is not desirable for glass constructions. But I understand that you want
to keep the belly warm.
Best regards,
Karel Vranken, # 447 F-PKRL.
----- Original Message -----
From: Raimo Toivio
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa colours
Wau, an another bad boy again!
In fact I found few days ago nice pics of N81EU
and it was parked in Utah Salt Lake City may I guess.
I think it is one of the hottiest place in the world. And fastest!
I noticed your Europa=C2=B4s sides also have been painted blue,
not only down side.
Maybe you fly so much that it has no time enough to melt...
Karel: people do things many times just because it is just a
"habit".
Like painting gliders only white. Some times an individual decides
to do something other way. It can be a disaster or success. You
know.
They call it experimental.
Thanks, Raimo
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| Subject: | Re: New 914 won't "kill" on either ignition circuit.... |
R.C.Harrison a crit :
>
> My brand new 914 will not stop? (except by fuel switch) Any ideas
> .except external mag kill wires, switches and shieldings?
>
> All external wires and switches have been proven OK.
>
Bob,
I would double check the mag switch connections.
When installing a Rotax, I usually check the spark (and absence of) when
turning the engine over during "oiling up" before first start.
Some info on the mag wire connection here :
http://contrails.free.fr/engine_rotax_mag_connect_en.php
All the best with your project,
Best regards,
--
Gilles
http://contrails.free.fr
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All Mono-operators
I have an original main tyre which is
435216 Titan Turf Glide 8.00-6 with 4 plies.
It is propably not aircraft quality but I have
been happy with it. Only problem is it is a
bit too broad and it has a little contact to
brake when landing (I have overpressurized it).
I wanna update it to new slightly narrower one.
What do you think what is the best choice in quality in market?
My factors are first of all safety and handling,
not so much price and durability.
Thanks, Raimo
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| Subject: | Exhaust Manifold Coatings |
Greetings team,
Someone in the Ximango community passed along this link for exhaust manifold
coating to prevent corrosion and I thought it might be of interest to some
folks here. I'm told it cost about $140 for a 912S manifold. If nothing else,
it sure looks nice.
_http://www.jet-hot.com/Pages/coatings.html_
(http://www.jet-hot.com/Pages/coatings.html)
Regards,
John Lawton
Whitwell, TN (TN89)
N245E - Down 2 weeks now because of a $12 ignition rotor that nobody has in
stock!
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Anyone that has a dark color on their plane as a secondary color and not a
stripe, can joke all they want. I saw what went into fixing N914XS and I
can tell you it wasn't funny knowing I had been flying acro in an airplane
that could have at the least had the power plant hanging by half the
firewall halfway thru a loop, or at the worst losing the firewall forward.
You can't reinvent TG. But you CAN reflow epoxy at elevated temps. At
about 200F aeropoxy WILL start to soften. You CAN remove redux with a
hairdryer. And a dark painted composite plane WILL deform sooner or later.
If you think it works on you're aircraft that's fine, but don't go
recommending it to somebody else.
If you cant keep you're hand on it in the sun then it's too hot.
I can't believe so many are willing to kick the devil in the gonads.
Jim T.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Raimo Toivio
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 6:15 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa colours
Dear Karel,
Yes in Suomi we like to reinvent things and make them better.
Like a phone and the result is history like www.nokia.com
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| Subject: | Re: First Annual Europa Fly in Reminder |
Just another suggestion... It might be useful to post a list of people
who will be attending. This will give an idea of who and what airplanes
will be there.
--- Paul McAllister <paul.mcallister@qia.net> wrote:
> <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Just a reminder that the first annual US Europa Fly in will be held
> at Rough
> River, Kentucky for an informal get together of flyers, builders and
> aviation buffs from August 31 to September 2, 2007
>
> Rough River is part of the Kentucky State Park system with its own
> airport
> (2I3), camping facilities and a lodge, which is walking distance from
> the
> airport. The lodge offers both rooms and cabin style accommodation.
>
> Rough River offers walking trails, fishing, beach, golfing and a
> large
> marina that has rental craft of all sizes available.
>
> At the time of writing plenty of accommodation is available, however
> this
> quickly fills as the weather warms up.
>
> For more in Rough River take a look at
>
> http://parks.ky.gov/resortparks/rr/
> http://www.roughriverlaketourism.com/acc.htm
> http://www.airnav.com/airport/2I3
>
>
> For reservations call 800-325-1713. We are encouraging everyone to
> book
> early as this is labor day weekend and the accommodation will quickly
> fill
> up.
>
> Please let me or Jeff know if you are contemplating attending. It
> would
> help us better plan the event if we had an approximate head count.
>
> Paul can be contacted on paul.mcallister@qia.net
> Jeff can be contacted on topglock@cox.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Possible DOTH 6th August. |
For those of you UK Europa pilots (unlike me) who have a Europa legal to
fly at the moment I have a suggestion for a DOTH fly-in. As it stands I
have a free day on Monday 6th August (and possibly the 7th in case of
bad weather) to host a DOTH fly-in at Lydeway. The idea on arrival would
be to walk up to my house (about 20 minutes away) and have a BBQ in the
garden. I have yet to check this out with Cathy at the moment to ensure
it doesn't conflict with anything else we might be doing (this email is
coming to you from Denver). Assuming the weather is good enough could I
have an idea of how many would like to attend to decide whether to keep
time aside for this event?
Regards
Nigel Charles
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| Subject: | New 914 won't "kill" on either ignition circuit.... |
Bob
I would check your grounding wires again and again, insure all are connected
properly. The engines are all run tested at the factory before delivery so
odds are something in your wiring is not correct. Since there are two
independent circuits, A fires the top plugs and B fires the bottom plugs
both of those would have to be defective from the factory (if your engine
continues to run smoothly when your grounded switches are on.) I think you
will eventually find it in your wiring.
Jerry
_____
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of R.C.Harrison
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 2:46 AM
Subject: Europa-List: New 914 won't "kill" on either ignition circuit....
Hi! All
Sign of times ahead ?
My brand new 914 will not stop? (except by fuel switch) Any ideas ..except
external mag kill wires, switches and shieldings?
All external wires and switches have been proven OK.
Arthur from North Wales says someone recently in the USA had a similar
problem?
BTW thanks for trailer responses I believe I'm fixed up from Lincoln.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
Robt.C.Harrison
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| Subject: | Exhaust Manifold Coatings |
John
I saw an entire 912 exhaust system coated by Jethot when I attended the
Rotax maintenance class in Canada. They claim it reduces heat under the
cowling but they don't necessarily advocate its use... I don't know all the
facts but it does look very nice and it may help with the overall cooling
issues. Check Jethot website they have some interesting claims. In order for
the extra cooling to be effective the inside of the exhaust is also coated
which brings up the concern of material flaking off which would not be good
for the 914 turbo blades! I decided against it for that reason but 912 guys
might benefit from it.
Jerry
_____
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 6:19 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Exhaust Manifold Coatings
Greetings team,
Someone in the Ximango community passed along this link for exhaust manifold
coating to prevent corrosion and I thought it might be of interest to some
folks here. I'm told it cost about $140 for a 912S manifold. If nothing
else, it sure looks nice.
http://www.jet-hot.com/Pages/coatings.html
Regards,
John Lawton
Whitwell, TN (TN89)
N245E - Down 2 weeks now because of a $12 ignition rotor that nobody has in
stock!
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| Subject: | Re: Possible DOTH 6th August. |
Nigel,
you can mark us down for attending in G-BXDY
Dave Watts
For those of you UK Europa pilots (unlike me) who have a Europa legal
to fly at the moment I have a suggestion for a DOTH fly-in. As it stands
I have a free day on Monday 6th August (and possibly the 7th in case of
bad weather) to host a DOTH fly-in at Lydeway. The idea on arrival would
be to walk up to my house (about 20 minutes away) and have a BBQ in the
garden. I have yet to check this out with Cathy at the moment to ensure
it doesn't conflict with anything else we might be doing (this email is
coming to you from Denver). Assuming the weather is good enough could I
have an idea of how many would like to attend to decide whether to keep
time aside for this event?
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| Subject: | Re: Europa colours |
MessageDear Jim,
as I have stated earlier
painting dark (underside only)
is only my decision and it is valid
here in Scandinavian, quite near
Polar Circle. When not in airborne,
it is in hangar - not under the sun.
I wish pure white colour makes you happy
in every climate in every temperature.
It must be like a prayer - with it you can
do what ever you like - w/o own judgement.
I have a headache - you have kicked my
head to the hot asshole.
Raimo, still the beauty is first of all
attached a pic of my "dark & dangerous" Europa
----- Original Message -----
From: James
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 4:45 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa colours
Anyone that has a dark color on their plane as a secondary color and
not a stripe, can joke all they want. I saw what went into fixing
N914XS and I can tell you it wasn't funny knowing I had been flying acro
in an airplane that could have at the least had the power plant hanging
by half the firewall halfway thru a loop, or at the worst losing the
firewall forward. You can't reinvent TG. But you CAN reflow epoxy at
elevated temps. At about 200F aeropoxy WILL start to soften. You CAN
remove redux with a hairdryer. And a dark painted composite plane WILL
deform sooner or later.
If you think it works on you're aircraft that's fine, but don't go
recommending it to somebody else.
If you cant keep you're hand on it in the sun then it's too hot.
I can't believe so many are willing to kick the devil in the gonads.
Jim T.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Raimo
Toivio
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 6:15 AM
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa colours
Dear Karel,
Yes in Suomi we like to reinvent things and make them better.
Like a phone and the result is history like www.nokia.com
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| Subject: | DOTH Wed 1st Panshanger |
Hi Folks,
How about taking advantage of the weather with a DOTH tomorrow
( Wednesday )?
I fancy Panshanger at 1200ish unless anyone has a better idea. It is
a grass R/W, but apparently dry and in good condition - voucher in Flyer
Cheers, Paddy
Paddy Clarke
Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM
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| Subject: | Re: Possible DOTH 6th August. |
Hi Nigel,
I should be able to drop in but unfortunately can't stay for the BBQ,
Cheers, Paddy
On 31 Jul 2007, at 17:01, nigel charles wrote:
Paddy Clarke
Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM
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| Subject: | DOTH Wed 1st Panshanger |
Hi Folks,
How about taking advantage of the weather with a DOTH tomorrow
( Wednesday )?
I fancy Panshanger at 1200ish unless anyone has a better idea. It is
a grass R/W, but apparently dry and in good condition - voucher in Flyer
Cheers, Paddy
Paddy Clarke
Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM
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| Subject: | Re: Possible DOTH 6th August. |
hello Nigel
Sorry to be dim but where is Lydeway and where are its details
published? There's half a chance I could be there on Monday, but not
Tuesday.
Willie Harrison
G-BZNY - 4 hours left before mod 73 has to be done...
On 31 Jul 2007, at 17:01, nigel charles wrote:
> For those of you UK Europa pilots (unlike me) who have a Europa
> legal to fly at the moment I have a suggestion for a DOTH fly-in.
> As it stands I have a free day on Monday 6th August (and possibly
> the 7th in case of bad weather) to host a DOTH fly-in at Lydeway.
> The idea on arrival would be to walk up to my house (about 20
> minutes away) and have a BBQ in the garden. I have yet to check
> this out with Cathy at the moment to ensure it doesn=92t conflict
> with anything else we might be doing (this email is coming to you
> from Denver). Assuming the weather is good enough could I have an
> idea of how many would like to attend to decide whether to keep
> time aside for this event?
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| Subject: | Re: DOTH Wed 1st Panshanger |
Lovely idea, Paddy, but alas I'm doing my impersonation of a working
man tomorrow. Wish there'd been a voucher in Flyer for Bournmouth
where I've been today: 41 for landing/handling and 4 hours parking!
Maybe see you at Nigel's DOTH.
Willie
On 31 Jul 2007, at 18:26, Paddy Clarke wrote:
> <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
>
> Hi Folks,
> How about taking advantage of the weather with a DOTH tomorrow
> ( Wednesday )?
> I fancy Panshanger at 1200ish unless anyone has a better idea. It
> is a grass R/W, but apparently dry and in good condition - voucher
> in Flyer
> Cheers, Paddy
>
>
> Paddy Clarke
>
> Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM
>
>
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Raimo,
That sure is a beautiful looking bird, you must be proud. Up there near the
polar circle, you might need that darkness to keep the belly from getting
too cold!
Regards,
Greg
_____
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Raimo Toivio
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa colours
Dear Jim,
as I have stated earlier
painting dark (underside only)
is only my decision and it is valid
here in Scandinavian, quite near
Polar Circle. When not in airborne,
it is in hangar - not under the sun.
I wish pure white colour makes you happy
in every climate in every temperature.
It must be like a prayer - with it you can
do what ever you like - w/o own judgement.
I have a headache - you have kicked my
head to the hot asshole.
Raimo, still the beauty is first of all
attached a pic of my "dark & dangerous" Europa
----- Original Message -----
From: James <mailto:jthursby@tampabay.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 4:45 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa colours
Anyone that has a dark color on their plane as a secondary color and not a
stripe, can joke all they want. I saw what went into fixing N914XS and I
can tell you it wasn't funny knowing I had been flying acro in an airplane
that could have at the least had the power plant hanging by half the
firewall halfway thru a loop, or at the worst losing the firewall forward.
You can't reinvent TG. But you CAN reflow epoxy at elevated temps. At
about 200F aeropoxy WILL start to soften. You CAN remove redux with a
hairdryer. And a dark painted composite plane WILL deform sooner or later.
If you think it works on you're aircraft that's fine, but don't go
recommending it to somebody else.
If you cant keep you're hand on it in the sun then it's too hot.
I can't believe so many are willing to kick the devil in the gonads.
Jim T.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Raimo Toivio
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 6:15 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa colours
Dear Karel,
Yes in Suomi we like to reinvent things and make them better.
Like a phone and the result is history like www.nokia.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref
"http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Possible DOTH 6th August. |
Hi Willie
>Sorry to be dim but where is Lydeway and where are its details
published?<
The strip is in Lockyear's guide and the AFE guide. It also features in
Navbox Proplan flight planning software. However for full details see
the attachment to this email. Feel free to come back with any questions
you might have.
>There's half a chance I could be there on Monday, but not Tuesday. <
OK no problem. Just look out for another email from me confirming or
cancelling nearer the time.
Regards
Nigel
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| Subject: | DOTH Wed 1st Panshanger |
HI Paddy
Can't make 12 but see you as soon after one as I can. Ray will be in in his
clubs AT3.
All the best
Rick
Europa XS Trike G-RIKS
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paddy Clarke
Sent: 31 July 2007 18:26
Subject: Europa-List: DOTH Wed 1st Panshanger
--> <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
Hi Folks,
How about taking advantage of the weather with a DOTH tomorrow ( Wednesday
)?
I fancy Panshanger at 1200ish unless anyone has a better idea. It is a grass
R/W, but apparently dry and in good condition - voucher in Flyer Cheers,
Paddy
Paddy Clarke
Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM
17:02
17:02
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| Subject: | Attending Rough River Fly-in... |
Those planning to attend please add you name and pertinent info:
Jeff Behrnes 225 773-9671 cell N55XS Baby Blue Tri-gear
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| Subject: | Re: First Annual Europa Fly in Reminder |
Good idea, Andrew. I just added that thread.
BTW, just because pilots can't refuse free stuff, there will be several
goodies to take home - Europa branded, of course...
Jeff - Baby Blue
306 hrs...
Andrew Sarangan wrote:
>
> Just another suggestion... It might be useful to post a list of people
> who will be attending. This will give an idea of who and what airplanes
> will be there.
>
>
>
> --- Paul McAllister <paul.mcallister@qia.net> wrote:
>
>
>> <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Just a reminder that the first annual US Europa Fly in will be held
>> at Rough
>> River, Kentucky for an informal get together of flyers, builders and
>> aviation buffs from August 31 to September 2, 2007
>>
>> Rough River is part of the Kentucky State Park system with its own
>> airport
>> (2I3), camping facilities and a lodge, which is walking distance from
>> the
>> airport. The lodge offers both rooms and cabin style accommodation.
>>
>> Rough River offers walking trails, fishing, beach, golfing and a
>> large
>> marina that has rental craft of all sizes available.
>>
>> At the time of writing plenty of accommodation is available, however
>> this
>> quickly fills as the weather warms up.
>>
>> For more in Rough River take a look at
>>
>> http://parks.ky.gov/resortparks/rr/
>> http://www.roughriverlaketourism.com/acc.htm
>> http://www.airnav.com/airport/2I3
>>
>>
>> For reservations call 800-325-1713. We are encouraging everyone to
>> book
>> early as this is labor day weekend and the accommodation will quickly
>> fill
>> up.
>>
>> Please let me or Jeff know if you are contemplating attending. It
>> would
>> help us better plan the event if we had an approximate head count.
>>
>> Paul can be contacted on paul.mcallister@qia.net
>> Jeff can be contacted on topglock@cox.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Request for information - play in tailplane drive - |
Loctite
Roger,
When I did my annual, this month, I found a quarter inch slop in the
starboard tailplane. Not wanting to rip everything apart, I decided to
use the Loc-tite method. What I did was to spray out the parts with
automotive choke cleaner, being careful not to get any on the paint.
Then I blew it out with compressed air and allowed it to air dry for a
hour or two. I then started saturating the joint with Permatex's
version of 603. It's the wicking type (green) found in most automotive
parts stores. After I was satisfied that I'd gotten as much in as I
possibly could, I let it set for 24 hours. Checking the joint by
twisting as hard as I could, nothing moved. I've got 6+ hours on the
repair with probably 10 landings and no movement at all. I check the
tailplanes every time I do pre and post flights. They are tight - no
movement. My bird is a tri-gear with steel spring front suspension.
Flights have included 45-50 degree turns and other 2+ G maneuvers...
Hope this helps,
Jeff - Baby Blue
306 hrs
Roger Bull wrote:
>
>
>
> *As part of the ongoing investigation into play in the tailplane
> drive line, we at E04 have carried out testing on a sample torque
> tube and TP9, using Loctite. We tested 638 and 603; in each of 3
> cases the TP9 buckled but the Loctite held.*
> **
> *To enable us to extend the work we should be most grateful if
> those builders who have used Loctite in this application would let
> me know how many hours they have flown since applying the Loctite,
> and if there had ever been any breakdown of the bond. If
> possible it would also be helpful to know how many landings since
> the application.*
> **
> *Please send any replies to my work e-mail
> roger@europa-aircraft.com <mailto:roger@europa-aircraft.com>*
> **
> *Many thsnks.*
> **
> *Roger*
>
> *
>
>
> *
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Attending Rough River Fly-in... |
Those planning to attend please add you name and pertinent info:
1. Jeff Behrnes 225 773-9671 cell N55XS Baby Blue
Tri-gear
2. Steve & Bobbi Crimm 678-461-7957 Home N42AH (Tentative)
Mono
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
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| Subject: | New 914 won't "kill" on either ignition circuit.... |
Hi! David, Gilles, Jerry.
Thanks for your responses.
I now have two new mag kill wires direct from the mag connectors to the
mag groundings (just to prove it isn't my wires or switches) The plugs
still are sparking? An Electrical Contrator also checked it all out and
proved my wires and switches. The dealer is beginning to mutter "damaged
boxes" however I haven't any reason to think I damaged anything?
Bob H
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Joyce
Sent: 31 July 2007 11:02
Subject: Re: Europa-List: New 914 won't "kill" on either ignition
circuit....
<davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Bob I had a similar problem with my 914 in early days. It boiled down to
the
quality of the earthing connections in the mag circuits. Regards, David
----- Original Message -----
From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 10:46 AM
Subject: Europa-List: New 914 won't "kill" on either ignition
circuit....
> Hi! All
> Sign of times ahead ?
> My brand new 914 will not stop? (except by fuel switch) Any ideas
> ..except external mag kill wires, switches and shieldings?
> All external wires and switches have been proven OK.
> Arthur from North Wales says someone recently in the USA had a similar
> problem?
> BTW thanks for trailer responses I believe I'm fixed up from Lincoln.
> Regards
> Bob Harrison G-PTAG
>
> Robt.C.Harrison
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Attending Rough River Fly-in... |
On Jul 31, 2007, at 4:01 PM, Steve Crimm wrote:
> <steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
>
>
> Those planning to attend please add you name and pertinent info:
>
> 1. Jeff Behrnes 225 773-9671 cell N55XS Baby Blue
> Tri-gear
> 2. Steve & Bobbi Crimm 678-461-7957 Home N42AH (Tentative)
> Mono
> 3. Jeff Roberts 615-406-8651 Cell N128LJ Gold Rush
> Tri-Gear (Weather Permitting... I'm there)
> 4.
> 5.
> 6.
> 7.
> 8.
> 9.
> 10.
>
>
Jeff
Eagleville Marketing Group / EMG
488 Beasley RD.
Eagleville TN 37060
615-355-7575 Office
615-406-8651 Cell
615-534-1082 Fax
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| Subject: | New 914 won't "kill" on either ignition circuit.... |
Don't you just hate when this happens?
Lastly I would insert an alligator clip (with connecting wire to another
clip) into the grounding Connection right at the module insuring a good
connection with that bullet connector (That is inside that protective
sleeve) then connect the other end to the manifold or other handy metal
engine part. Forget about switches for now. Maybe you've tried this already
but if you do this and get spark, well then I would suspect the wire at the
ignition module, could you have pulled on the connector bullet and pulled it
loose from the wire? Usually when you hear of ignition modules being
defective, it causes the engine not to start or to run rough not your
situation. Good luck.
Jerry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of R.C.Harrison
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 2:31 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: New 914 won't "kill" on either ignition
circuit....
Hi! David, Gilles, Jerry.
Thanks for your responses.
I now have two new mag kill wires direct from the mag connectors to the
mag groundings (just to prove it isn't my wires or switches) The plugs
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| Subject: | Re: Attending Rough River Fly-in... |
Those planning to attend please add you name and pertinent info:
1. Jeff Behrnes 225 773-9671 cell N55XS Baby Blue Tri-gear
2. Steve & Bobbi Crimm 678-461-7957 Home N42AH (Tentative) Mono
3. Jeff Roberts 615-406-8651 Cell N128LJ Gold Rush
Tri-Gear (Weather Permitting... I'm there)
4. Andrew Sarangan 937-830-1610 No flying Europa yet; will be arriving
in a Zodiac.
Andrew Sarangan
http://www.sarangan.org
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| Subject: | Re: Request for information - play in tailplane drive - |
Loctite
Mine has flown approx 500hrs and in excess of 500 landings (equivalent
take-offs also) with loctite.
There has been no breakdown of the bond and the whole system is 100%
tight with no movement.
Mono XS
914/Airmaster
Sue & Bill
Roger Bull wrote:
>
>
>
> *As part of the ongoing investigation into play in the tailplane
> drive line, we at E04 have carried out testing on a sample torque
> tube and TP9, using Loctite. We tested 638 and 603; in each of 3
> cases the TP9 buckled but the Loctite held.*
> **
> *To enable us to extend the work we should be most grateful if
> those builders who have used Loctite in this application would let
> me know how many hours they have flown since applying the Loctite,
> and if there had ever been any breakdown of the bond. If
> possible it would also be helpful to know how many landings since
> the application.*
> **
> *Please send any replies to my work e-mail
> roger@europa-aircraft.com <mailto:roger@europa-aircraft.com>*
> **
> *Many thsnks.*
> **
> *Roger*
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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