---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 08/01/07: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:43 AM - Re: Europa colours (karelvranken) 2. 12:51 AM - Re: main tyre (karelvranken) 3. 05:32 AM - Re: New 914 won't "kill" on either ignition circuit.... (R.C.Harrison) 4. 05:43 AM - Re: Attending Rough River Fly-in... (Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com) 5. 07:44 AM - AW: main tyre (Europa (Alfred Buess)) 6. 08:10 AM - 914 oil lines (Ralph K. Hallett III) 7. 04:31 PM - Re: main tyre (John & Paddy Wigney) 8. 06:33 PM - Re: 914 oil lines (Paul McAllister) 9. 06:59 PM - Re: Attending Rough River Fly-in... (Troy Maynor) 10. 08:09 PM - Re: 914 oil lines (Ralph K. Hallett III) 11. 11:02 PM - Official Europa-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle) 12. 11:06 PM - Official Europa-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:43:45 AM PST US From: "karelvranken" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa colours Raimo, The golden color I choose for the striping is a special effect color. It reflects the heat. Though it is expensif, the color and application was a 1000 Euro cost. And gold is nearly yellow what after white is the second choise. Better than big black letters. Best regards, Karel Vranken ----- Original Message ----- From: Raimo Toivio To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 12:14 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa colours Dear Karel, Yes in Suomi we like to reinvent things and make them better. Like a phone and the result is history like www.nokia.com (and it is not created to attract attention only you know!). Despite that I have to mention Thomas S & Co are not Finnish. There are also some other people on the ball thinking by their own brains. By the way you have on your Europa sides golden strips pointing straight to the sun. What a hot spot! Aren=C2=B4t you worried one day the fuselage joint will be melt and you have a canoe stage again during your flight ;) Sorry I forgot those little dark strips, pics, stars, letters, numbers etc mean nothing... Kind Regards, Raimo ================ Raimo M W Toivio OH-XRT Europa XS Mono #417, The Experimental of The Year OH-CVK C172 Skyhawk, totally restored 2006-2007 OH-BLL Beechcraft C45, w radial engines (grounded) 37500 Lempaala Finland tel + 358 3 3753 777 fax + 358 3 3753 100 gsm + 358 40 590 1450 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:51:09 AM PST US From: "karelvranken" Subject: Re: Europa-List: main tyre Raimo, I have a Condor tyre, aircraft quality. But it has slightly bigger diameter. So you have to check if you have enough space left in retracted position concerning the push rod for the flaps or brake master cylinder. Best regards, Karel Vranken # 447 F-PKRL only 61 hours at the moment. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raimo Toivio" Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 2:21 PM Subject: Europa-List: main tyre > > All Mono-operators > > I have an original main tyre which is > 435216 Titan Turf Glide 8.00-6 with 4 plies. > It is propably not aircraft quality but I have > been happy with it. Only problem is it is a > bit too broad and it has a little contact to > brake when landing (I have overpressurized it). > > I wanna update it to new slightly narrower one. > > What do you think what is the best choice in quality in market? > My factors are first of all safety and handling, > not so much price and durability. > > Thanks, Raimo > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:32:40 AM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: New 914 won't "kill" on either ignition circuit.... Hi! Jerry That's how it is now with new wires. BTW They are no longer bullets but long skinny thin spades. "No Kill" Prevails .....Me'thinks why the change ? Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG Robt.C.Harrison -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Rehn Sent: 31 July 2007 23:11 Subject: RE: Europa-List: New 914 won't "kill" on either ignition circuit.... Don't you just hate when this happens? Lastly I would insert an alligator clip (with connecting wire to another clip) into the grounding Connection right at the module insuring a good connection with that bullet connector (That is inside that protective sleeve) then connect the other end to the manifold or other handy metal engine part. Forget about switches for now. Maybe you've tried this already but if you do this and get spark, well then I would suspect the wire at the ignition module, could you have pulled on the connector bullet and pulled it loose from the wire? Usually when you hear of ignition modules being defective, it causes the engine not to start or to run rough not your situation. Good luck. Jerry -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of R.C.Harrison Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 2:31 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: New 914 won't "kill" on either ignition circuit.... Hi! David, Gilles, Jerry. Thanks for your responses. I now have two new mag kill wires direct from the mag connectors to the mag groundings (just to prove it isn't my wires or switches) The plugs ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:43:20 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Attending Rough River Fly-in... From: Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com wrote on 07/31/2007 07:01:06 PM: > > Those planning to attend please add you name and pertinent info: > 1. Jeff Behrnes 225 773-9671 cell N55XS Baby Blue Tri-gear > 2. Steve & Bobbi Crimm 678-461-7957 Home N42AH (Tentative) Mono > 3. Jeff Roberts 615-406-8651 Cell N128LJ Gold Rush > Tri-Gear (Weather Permitting... I'm there) > 4. Andrew Sarangan 937-830-1610 No flying Europa yet; will be arriving > in a Zodiac. > 5. Dave & Lodja Miller - driving in - 519-666-0480 - C-FBZI > > > -= - The Europa-List Email Forum - > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:54 AM PST US From: "Europa (Alfred Buess)" Subject: AW: Europa-List: main tyre Raimo, I replaced the original tyre with a Goodyear Flight Special II 7.00 - 6, recommended by a local aircraft repairman. It's a bit narrower and much more robust. Regards, Alfred Alfred Buess CH-3052 Zollikofen, Switzerland Europa XS #097, Monowheel, Foam shortwing, Rotax 912S, Airmaster 332 CS -----Ursprngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von Raimo Toivio Gesendet: Dienstag, 31. Juli 2007 13:22 An: europa-list@matronics.com Betreff: Europa-List: main tyre All Mono-operators I have an original main tyre which is 435216 Titan Turf Glide 8.00-6 with 4 plies. It is propably not aircraft quality but I have been happy with it. Only problem is it is a bit too broad and it has a little contact to brake when landing (I have overpressurized it). I wanna update it to new slightly narrower one. What do you think what is the best choice in quality in market? My factors are first of all safety and handling, not so much price and durability. Thanks, Raimo ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:10:41 AM PST US From: "Ralph K. Hallett III" Subject: Europa-List: 914 oil lines I'm still trying to route the sump drain line on the 914. Any suggestions? Did you run it over the engine or under the starboard side? Thanks in advance! Ralph 914 XS MG Reno, NV ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:31:00 PM PST US From: John & Paddy Wigney Subject: Europa-List: Re: main tyre Hi Raimo, I have had good experience with the McCreary Air Trac 7.00 - 6 x 6 ply (Aircraft Spruce part no. 06-09600) with a McCreary Air Trac 7/8.00 - 6 tube (Aircraft Spruce part no. 06-09800). I changed my first tire after 6 years and 770 landings, most of which were on hard surfaces. I keep my tire pressure at 18 to 20 psi (1.24 to 1.38 bar). The tire looks soft but it is better that way. Higher pressures will provide more excitement during landing. Cheers, John N262WF, mono XS, 912S Mooresville, North Carolina Original Message From: "Raimo Toivio" Subject: Europa-List: main tyre All Mono-operators I have an original main tyre which is 435216 Titan Turf Glide 8.00-6 with 4 plies. It is propably not aircraft quality but I have been happy with it. Only problem is it is a bit too broad and it has a little contact to brake when landing (I have overpressurized it). I wanna update it to new slightly narrower one. What do you think what is the best choice in quality in market? My factors are first of all safety and handling, not so much price and durability. Thanks, Raimo ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:52 PM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: RE: Europa-List: 914 oil lines Hi Ralph, Take a look at http://europa363.versadev.com/ under January 2004 and you will see a few photographs on how I routed mine. >From the sump, I ran mine around the port side then up the back of the engine to the oil tank. I used Aeroquip 666 teflon hose and after 3 years / 650 hours it is holding up nicely. Regards, Paul ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:59:34 PM PST US From: "Troy Maynor" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Attending Rough River Fly-in... Subject: Re: Europa-List: Attending Rough River Fly-in... Those planning to attend please add you name and pertinent info: 1. Jeff Behrnes 225 773-9671 cell N55XS Baby Blue Tri-gear 2. Steve & Bobbi Crimm 678-461-7957 Home N42AH (Tentative) Mono 3. Jeff Roberts 615-406-8651 Cell N128LJ Gold Rush Tri-Gear (Weather Permitting... I'm there) 4. Andrew Sarangan 937-830-1610 No flying Europa yet; will be arriving in a Zodiac. 5. Troy & Donna Maynor 828-778-7702 cell. Driving in Wed.PM till Sat(?) Troy Maynor N120EU Europa Monowheel Classic Left to finish: Paint,(some) interior,engine install, (some) wiring. Weaverville, NC USA ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:09:55 PM PST US From: "Ralph K. Hallett III" Subject: Re: Europa-List: 914 oil lines Paul, Thanks for the photo's, it looks like a good way to go..I too am using the AeroQuip, so I'll give it a shot. Thanks again, Ralph Paul McAllister wrote: > > Hi Ralph, > > Take a look at http://europa363.versadev.com/ under January 2004 and you > will see a few photographs on how I routed mine. > > >From the sump, I ran mine around the port side then up the back of the > engine to the oil tank. I used Aeroquip 666 teflon hose and after 3 years / > 650 hours it is holding up nicely. > > Regards, Paul > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:02:27 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Europa-List: Official Europa-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) Dear Listers, Please read over the Europa-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. 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Informal presentation and moderation should be the operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists. ------- [This is an automated posting.] do not archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:06:28 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Europa-List: Official Europa-List Usage Guidelines Dear Listers, Please read over the Europa-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete Europa-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Europa-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** Europa-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Europa-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the Europa-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. Europa-List Policy Statement The purpose of the Europa-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary space in the archive. - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the web page or FAQ first. - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it easy to find threads in the archive. - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated! - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to the original poster. You might have to actively address your response with the original poster's email address. - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. - Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by List members promoting their respective products or items for sale should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble a typical SPAM message. 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