---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 08/05/07: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:21 AM - Re: DOTH Lydeway Monday (G-IANI) 2. 12:29 AM - Re: DOTH Lydeway Monday (A B Milne) 3. 02:09 AM - Re: DOTH Lydeway Monday (Steve Pitt) 4. 03:41 AM - Maiden flight (andy ringrose) 5. 04:35 AM - Re: Maiden flight (Carl Pattinson) 6. 05:08 AM - Re: Maiden flight (josok) 7. 06:50 AM - Re: Re: Attending Rough River Fly-in... (jimpuglise@comcast.net) 8. 07:09 AM - Re: Re: Attending Rough River Fly-in... (Paul McAllister) 9. 08:05 AM - Re: Re: Attending Rough River Fly-in... (Paul McAllister) 10. 08:33 AM - Re: Maiden flight (R.C.Harrison) 11. 10:08 AM - Re: Maiden flight (Trevpond@aol.com) 12. 10:09 AM - Re: Europa Tailplane - Mod 73 (William Harrison) 13. 10:22 AM - Vacuum Regulator adjustment ....?/Mod 74 suitable conditions? (R.C.Harrison) 14. 11:18 AM - Re: Vacuum Regulator adjustment ....?/Mod 74 suitab (josok) 15. 11:40 AM - Re: Maiden flight (andy ringrose) 16. 12:15 PM - Re: Europa Tailplane - Mod 73 (Mike Gregory) 17. 12:15 PM - Re: Maiden flight (Tim Ward) 18. 03:24 PM - Re: Maiden flight (Laptop JR) 19. 04:15 PM - Re: Maiden flight (steve v) 20. 04:27 PM - Re: DOTH Lydeway Monday (David Watts) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:21:22 AM PST US From: "G-IANI" Subject: RE: Europa-List: DOTH Lydeway Monday Nigel Just to let you know we had planned to come to your DOTH tomorrow but circumstances have dictated otherwise. Sorry but we will not be attending and we will see you soon. Ian -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nigel charles Sent: 04 August 2007 13:49 Subject: Europa-List: DOTH Lydeway Monday The weather is still looking OK for my suggested DOTH BBQ fly-in on Monday. This is a PPR event. Anyone who wishes to attend and who has not yet received information should reply to this email. This event is open to other types of aircraft as well as Europas. Regards Nigel Charles ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:29:31 AM PST US From: A B Milne Subject: Re: Europa-List: DOTH Lydeway Monday Dear Nigel, I hope to attend in the Europa G-CBYN from Brimpton. Regards, Alasdair Milne Quoting nigel charles : > The weather is still looking OK for my suggested DOTH BBQ fly-in on > Monday. This is a PPR event. Anyone who wishes to attend and who has not > yet received information should reply to this email. This event is open > to other types of aircraft as well as Europas. > > Regards > > Nigel Charles > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:09:30 AM PST US From: "Steve Pitt" Subject: Re: Europa-List: DOTH Lydeway Monday Nigel, As I am now back in the air I would like to attend tomorrow. Regards Steve Pitt G-SMDH PS I may overfly today as I am attempting to go to Dunkeswell. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:41:31 AM PST US From: "andy ringrose" Subject: Europa-List: Maiden flight Friday 3rd Aug saw Europa classic G-MAUS take to the air from Dunsfold for the first time in the hands of Pete Jeffers. Andy Ringrose G-MAUS Mono 912S/Airmaster ( # 030 build time record ?? !! ) ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:35:34 AM PST US From: "Carl Pattinson" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Maiden flight Congratulations. Did you have to implement Mods 73 and 74 beforehand or are these waiting to be done? ----- Original Message ----- From: andy ringrose To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 11:37 AM Subject: Europa-List: Maiden flight Friday 3rd Aug saw Europa classic G-MAUS take to the air from Dunsfold for the first time in the hands of Pete Jeffers. Andy Ringrose G-MAUS Mono 912S/Airmaster ( # 030 build time record ?? !! ) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:08:46 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Maiden flight From: "josok" Hi Andy Congratulations, and many happy landings! Regards, Jos Okhuijsen Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:50:44 AM PST US From: jimpuglise@comcast.net Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Attending Rough River Fly-in... Paul- Add two more. Jim Puglise, Lynne Puglise, cell 941-875-5684. Driving in from FL. Will be there all three days. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Paul McAllister" 1. Jeff Behrnes 225 773-9671 cell N55XS Baby Blue Tri-gear 2. Steve & Bobbi Crimm 678-461-7957 Home N42AH (Tentative) Mono 3. Jeff Roberts 615-406-8651 Cell N128LJ Gold Rush Tri-Gear 4. Andrew Sarangan 937-830-1610 arriving in a Zodiac. 5. Troy & Donna Maynor 828-778-7702 cell. Driving in Wed.PM till Sat 6. Jim & Heather Butcher, 269-599-0122 cell 7. Chuck & Marilyn Rhoads 502-410-1357 Geo-Metro powered Tri-gear 8. Paul McAllister 262 993 4483 cell. N378PJ Mono 9. Bud Yerly Cell 813 244-8354 Driving in as N12AY will be getting Mod 52 and 74.
Paul-
 
Add two more.  Jim Puglise, Lynne Puglise, cell 941-875-5684.  Driving in from FL.  Will be there all three days. 
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
1. Jeff Behrnes 225 773-9671 cell N55XS Baby Blue Tri-gear
2. Steve & Bobbi Crimm 678-461-7957 Home N42AH (Tentative)  Mono
3. Jeff Roberts 615-406-8651 Cell N128LJ Gold Rush Tri-Gear
4. Andrew Sarangan 937-830-1610 arriving in a Zodiac.
5. Troy & Donna Maynor 828-778-7702 cell. Driving in Wed.PM till Sat
6.  Jim & Heather Butcher, 269-599-0122 cell
7.  Chuck & Marilyn Rhoads 502-410-1357  Geo-Metro powered Tri-gear
8.  Paul McAllister 262 993 4483 cell. N378PJ Mono 
9.  Bud Yerly Cell 813 244-8354 Driving in as N12AY will be getting Mod 52 and 74.






________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:09:41 AM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Attending Rough River Fly-in... 1. Jeff Behrnes 225 773-9671 cell N55XS Baby Blue Tri-gear 2. Steve & Bobbi Crimm 678-461-7957 Home N42AH (Tentative) Mono 3. Jeff Roberts 615-406-8651 Cell N128LJ Gold Rush Tri-Gear 4. Andrew Sarangan 937-830-1610 arriving in a Zodiac. 5. Troy & Donna Maynor 828-778-7702 cell. Driving in Wed.PM till Sat 6. Jim & Heather Butcher, 269-599-0122 cell 7. Chuck & Marilyn Rhoads 502-410-1357 Geo-Metro powered Tri-gear 8. Paul McAllister 262 993 4483 cell. N378PJ Mono 9. Bud Yerly Cell 813 244-8354 Driving in as N12AY will be getting Mod 52 and 74. 10. Gary Leinberger - flying in with Mooney Friday to Monday - 717-682-9726 11. Julie & Tim Miller - Driving 12. Ron Parigoris 631-839-3636 cell driving in Friday afternoon 13. Wayne Gutschow 631-796-6431 cell driving in Friday afternoon 14. Jim Puglise, Lynne Puglise, cell 941-875-5684 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:05:47 AM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Attending Rough River Fly-in... 1. Jeff Behrnes 225 773-9671 cell N55XS Baby Blue Tri-gear 2. Steve & Bobbi Crimm 678-461-7957 Home N42AH (Tentative) Mono 3. Jeff Roberts 615-406-8651 Cell N128LJ Gold Rush Tri-Gear 4. Andrew Sarangan 937-830-1610 arriving in a Zodiac. 5. Troy & Donna Maynor 828-778-7702 cell. Driving in Wed.PM till Sat 6. Jim & Heather Butcher, 269-599-0122 cell 7. Chuck & Marilyn Rhoads 502-410-1357 Geo-Metro powered Tri-gear 8. Paul McAllister 262 993 4483 cell. N378PJ Mono 9. Bud Yerly Cell 813 244-8354 Driving in a 10. Gary Leinberger - flying in with Mooney Friday to Monday - 717-682-9726 11. Julie & Tim Miller - Driving 12. Ron Parigoris 631-839-3636 cell driving in Friday afternoon 13. Wayne Gutschow 631-796-6431 cell driving in Friday afternoon 14. Jim Puglise, Lynne Puglise, cell 941-875-5684 15. Scott & Corky Dingman N108EA, Cell 937-416-8080 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:33:53 AM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Maiden flight Well done Andy. Im thinking you must have had some very seriously controlled humidity and temperature conditions to effect Mods 73 and 74 so soon ? Regards Bob Harrison. G-PTAG Robt.C.Harrison -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of andy ringrose Sent: 05 August 2007 11:37 Subject: Europa-List: Maiden flight Friday 3rd Augsaw Europa classic G-MAUS take to the air from Dunsfold for the first time in the hands of Pete Jeffers. Andy Ringrose G-MAUS Mono 912S/Airmaster( #030build time record ?? !! ) do not archive. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:08:15 AM PST US From: Trevpond@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Maiden flight Many Congratulations Trev Pond G-LINN ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:09:23 AM PST US From: William Harrison Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Tailplane - Mod 73 Mike I expect you have seen Francis Donaldson's letter of 30 July. As well as summarising how things stand on mods 73 and 74, his letter seems to reset the ten hour clock regarding mod 73. This was previously within 10 flying hours of the date of the previous notice (12/7). Now, by my reading at least, it says it is within ten flying hours of the date of the most recent notice (30/7). For many, this won't make a difference, for some it would. Do you know if my interpretation is correct? Best wishes Willie On 13 Jul 2007, at 19:18, Mike Gregory wrote: > Willie, > > > We have now spoken on the phone ' your message crossed with my > posting explaining that it is not within the gift of the PFA to > extend or eliminate the 10-hour inspection, but requires action by > the CAA, who are not moving on this at the current stage of the > AAIB investigation. I'm putting this message on the List so that > others may share a more optimistic outlook about the way ahead. > > > You are not the only one to express concern regarding the severity > of the 10-hour restriction, on touring operations particularly. We > are all hoping that the inspection intervals can be extended to 25 > or 50 hours, or (preferably) eliminated. However, as the PFA > receive reports from inspectors on the results of the 10-hourly > inspections, they should soon learn whether there are many > instances of aircraft passing one inspection and failing the next: > if not, they should be able to use this evidence to recommend to > the CAA that the intervals can be extended. Otherwise, they will > certainly want to consider further measures to improve the > integrity of the system so that frequent inspections are no longer > needed. > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:22:45 AM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: Europa-List: Vacuum Regulator adjustment ....?/Mod 74 suitable conditions? Hi! All you helpful Europaphiles... My new Rapco vac Pump (correct direction for a Rotax) doesn't seem to generate a reading on the vac gauge? It is turning the gyro's but still no reading. Probably the carbon vanes need bedding in ? However in the meantime which way do I turn the regulator adjustment to increase the vacuum? a) clockwise screw in OR b)anticlockwise screw out I would be obliged for any pointers please. Further.. Since Mod 74 is structural I'm concerned of the possibility of achieving the best humidity conditions for the resin to cure. Obviously temperatures are OK. However in the short term I have to question the wisdom of disturbing a perfectly serviceable construction to replace it at this time of year in high humidity conditions. Winter time conditions I NEVER HAD A PROBLEM. Any comments please or is it a case of "shut up and put up"? Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG Robt.C.Harrison ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:18:41 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Vacuum Regulator adjustment ....?/Mod 74 suitab From: "josok" Bob, Can't help you with the vacuum pump. Blind guess is the meter is stuck. Can't you just suck on the hose to the meter to check? To get the humidity down, the simple solution is to run a fridge with the door open in the closed! workshop, (RT's patent) There are in this country air dryers available for rent, intended for builders. Don't know about the UK. These work as advertised. I would not take any risk with either temperature or humidity. There are some very convincing calculations available on the net. Guess you will be up in the air soon? Regards, Jos Okhuijsen Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:40:26 AM PST US From: "andy ringrose" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Maiden flight Hi Carl, 10 hours available for test flying but 73 & 74 compliance obviously required prior to first permit issue. Rgds, Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: Carl Pattinson To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 12:30 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Maiden flight Congratulations. Did you have to implement Mods 73 and 74 beforehand or are these waiting to be done? ----- Original Message ----- From: andy ringrose To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 11:37 AM Subject: Europa-List: Maiden flight Friday 3rd Aug saw Europa classic G-MAUS take to the air from Dunsfold for the first time in the hands of Pete Jeffers. Andy Ringrose G-MAUS Mono 912S/Airmaster ( # 030 build time record ?? !! ) ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:15:02 PM PST US From: "Mike Gregory" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa Tailplane - Mod 73 Willie, My understanding is that the CAA Mandatory Permit Directives 2007/005 and 006 required UK operators to comply with PFA Flight Safety Bulletins 247/FSB-006 and 007 respectively, which in turn are superseded by Mods 73 and 74. The requirement was for an immediate inspection, followed by subsequent inspections of certain aspects at 10 flying-hour intervals. Issue 3 of FSB 006 was dated 12 July 2007, and stated "7. Within 10 flying hours following the issue of this bulletin, or next permit renewal, whichever comes first, Europa modification 73 'Tailplane Retention' must be incorporated." Compliance with Mod 73 itself would reset the clock so that further tailplane inspections would be required at 10-hour intervals after that. I have not received Francis's letter dated 30 July, but I would be surprised if it was his intention to reset the start date for FSB 006 unless this was explicitly stated. I am copying this to Francis so that he can clarify this as necessary. Best regards Mike _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Harrison Sent: 05 August 2007 17:57 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Tailplane - Mod 73 Mike I expect you have seen Francis Donaldson's letter of 30 July. As well as summarising how things stand on mods 73 and 74, his letter seems to reset the ten hour clock regarding mod 73. This was previously within 10 flying hours of the date of the previous notice (12/7). Now, by my reading at least, it says it is within ten flying hours of the date of the most recent notice (30/7). For many, this won't make a difference, for some it would. Do you know if my interpretation is correct? Best wishes Willie On 13 Jul 2007, at 19:18, Mike Gregory wrote: Willie, We have now spoken on the phone - your message crossed with my posting explaining that it is not within the gift of the PFA to extend or eliminate the 10-hour inspection, but requires action by the CAA, who are not moving on this at the current stage of the AAIB investigation. I'm putting this message on the List so that others may share a more optimistic outlook about the way ahead. You are not the only one to express concern regarding the severity of the 10-hour restriction, on touring operations particularly. We are all hoping that the inspection intervals can be extended to 25 or 50 hours, or (preferably) eliminated. However, as the PFA receive reports from inspectors on the results of the 10-hourly inspections, they should soon learn whether there are many instances of aircraft passing one inspection and failing the next: if not, they should be able to use this evidence to recommend to the CAA that the intervals can be extended. Otherwise, they will certainly want to consider further measures to improve the integrity of the system so that frequent inspections are no longer needed. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:15:03 PM PST US From: "Tim Ward" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Maiden flight Well done Andy, good to see another classic in the air! Cheers, Tim Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street, Fendalton, CHRISTCHURCH 8052 Ph :64 03 3515166 Mob: 021 0640221 email: ward.t@xtra.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: andy ringrose To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 10:37 PM Subject: Europa-List: Maiden flight Friday 3rd Aug saw Europa classic G-MAUS take to the air from Dunsfold for the first time in the hands of Pete Jeffers. Andy Ringrose G-MAUS Mono 912S/Airmaster ( # 030 build time record ?? !! ) ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:24:26 PM PST US From: "Laptop JR" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Maiden flight Looking good in photo; congratulations Andy! Bob Gowing UK Kit 327 in Oz Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: andy ringrose To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 8:37 PM Subject: Europa-List: Maiden flight Friday 3rd Aug saw Europa classic G-MAUS take to the air from Dunsfold for the first time in the hands of Pete Jeffers. Andy Ringrose G-MAUS Mono 912S/Airmaster ( # 030 build time record ?? !! ) ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:15:43 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Maiden flight From: "steve v " Well Done Andy, Build No. 030 - it must have been terrific to see it fly! - how long have you been building? Steve Vestuti #573 G-CEBV Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:27:44 PM PST US From: "David Watts" Subject: Re: Europa-List: DOTH Lydeway Monday Nigel, sorry, been away working for the weekend, just got in, midnight Sunday night. Yes we would like to come to Lydeway today. Dave & Marion Watts The weather is still looking OK for my suggested DOTH BBQ fly-in on Monday. This is a PPR event. Anyone who wishes to attend and who has not yet received information should reply to this email. 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