---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 08/06/07: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:17 AM - Re: Europa colours /The facts (UVTReith@aol.com) 2. 07:45 AM - BATTERY MASTER SWITCH (Fergus Kyle) 3. 10:56 AM - Re: BATTERY MASTER SWITCH (rampil) 4. 11:12 AM - Mod 74 - progress (David.Corbett) 5. 12:34 PM - A new air-data system tricket for Europas (rampil) 6. 02:16 PM - Re: Re: BATTERY MASTER SWITCH (Rob Housman) 7. 02:38 PM - Re: Re: BATTERY MASTER SWITCH (Gilles Thesee) 8. 04:21 PM - Re: Re: Attending Rough River Fly-in... (kbcarpenter@comcast.net) 9. 05:14 PM - Re: Re: Attending Rough River Fly-in... (Steve Crimm) 10. 06:23 PM - Re: BATTERY MASTER SWITCH (rampil) 11. 07:41 PM - More Mod Talk (Troy Maynor) 12. 11:29 PM - Re: A new air-data system tricket for Europas (Keith Hickling) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:17:04 AM PST US From: UVTReith@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa colours /The facts Hallo Raimo, Hallo Europa Family, first of all congratulations to your baby and your first flights, Reimo. Once you made a remark during rolling exercise. - " Oh, she is also flying ! " Have you made a turn around or have you stopped flying? Somebody told me once: " When the bird is off the ground during your rolling exercises continue with flying. By sudden reduce of the power, the plane can drop down due to the lost of the prop wash effect." An answer from some experts will be very welcome, as I will start in two or three weeks time with my roll outs. But now to the topic of this eMail: Europa Colours / The Fact Attached is a picture of an Austrian Europa Classic Tri-Gear. I guess the Monowheel was changed to a tri-Gear recently, as this is kit 173. The full approval was given in 2000. As you can see, this bird looks still very nice. Best Regards, Bruno Reith / UVT Reith europa-aircraft-germany ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:45:35 AM PST US From: "Fergus Kyle" Subject: Europa-List: BATTERY MASTER SWITCH Cheers, I'm still searching for that elusive device - in an attempt to avoid the cost of an ampere or two of contactor current - which will control a primary battery source and another for secondary battery source. I have found several which meet one criterion or another, but not all: [a] should carry as much current as a contactor for that job; [b] needs to be an up-down rather than rotary type switch; [c] should be on a remote(able) stalk so I can undo the connection to remove the instrument panel ; [d] cost less than the usual contactor - or at least be competitive. I have devised a system to isolate the controls from wandering fingers so am not fussy about security. I'm not sure what a "Kill switch" is really. Any help would be most appreciated. Ferg Classic 914 CS prop mono PS: My server is down for the last 2 days, so my thanks will be delayed......... ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:56:17 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: BATTERY MASTER SWITCH From: "rampil" Fergus, I use a solid state contactor, the EV200 which meets some of your criteria. It can handle 500A (enough to start a cold 914 or even a 912s), has a hold current of 0.125. It is not cheap however at $90, but it is less weight on the firewall. -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=127791#127791 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:12:58 AM PST US From: "David.Corbett" Subject: Europa-List: Mod 74 - progress This is how day one has gone: 1 hour to round up the tools, trestles, and borrow a fuselage cradle from Robin James's trailer. 2 hours - achieved the following for both wings: removed the old pins (as insulation I used two thicknesses of 8mm ply, drilled to a tight fit over the pins, with a layer of kitchen foil between the two ply's and another layer in front); 3 blasts of the hot air gun released the pins for removal with molegrips screwed in the new pins - which turn fairly easily using the pip pins and finger pressure to turn them - and measured and marked them; they match up well cut the holes in the lower wing surface and cleaned out the holes and the dug out the channels against the ribs. Tomorrow I will offer up the wings for trial fit, and make the flox fillets under the washers, and also prepare the infill blocks of blue Styrofoam. I will also sand off around the holes ready for the lay-up, and prepare the BID patches. On the next working day (away Wednesday) we will replace the wings and Loctite the pins in their correct positions; my inspector will inspect and, all being well, I will lay up the covers over the holes. One or two more days for filling and sanding, and I should be flying by the weekend. All in all, not nearly as bad as I had expected - but I have the space and the tools, and the materials on site. David G-BZAM ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:34:34 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: A new air-data system tricket for Europas From: "rampil" Last year I installed this 5-hose rapid disconnect between my panel and fuselage for my airdata tubing (I have an AOA (2 tubes) aside from the usual Pitot static. It has worked quite well for the past year and I am now installing another in my port wing root. I thought other Europaphile might want to evaluate it for their application. I obtained them from Cumulus Soaring and they obtain it from Winter Instrument in Germany. About $35. -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=127802#127802 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc01481_426.jpg ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:16:51 PM PST US From: "Rob Housman" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: BATTERY MASTER SWITCH The EV200 http://www.allproducts.com/manufacture97/szshanghe/product4.html looks suspiciously like a conventional mechanical relay/contactor. Here's a solid state relay: http://www.allproducts.com/manufacture98/sunwutech/product5.html It is necessary to enlarge the picture to read the rating on this device (25A). Best regards, Rob Housman Irvine, California Europa XS Tri-Gear S/N A070 Airframe complete -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rampil Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 10:55 AM Subject: Europa-List: Re: BATTERY MASTER SWITCH Fergus, I use a solid state contactor, the EV200 which meets some of your criteria. It can handle 500A (enough to start a cold 914 or even a 912s), has a hold current of 0.125. It is not cheap however at $90, but it is less weight on the firewall. -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=127791#127791 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:38:03 PM PST US From: Gilles Thesee Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: BATTERY MASTER SWITCH Rob Housman a crit : > The EV200 http://www.allproducts.com/manufacture97/szshanghe/product4.html > looks suspiciously like a conventional mechanical relay/contactor. Rob and all, Indeed, it is a mechanical contactor, and it is not light either. I installed two of them in our dual battery project. No problem with the contactors themselves, but I suspect their command circuit sends some perturbation in the ship's circuit, and I experienced some problems with my low voltage warning module. http://contrails.free.fr/elec_lvwm_en.php Best regards, -- Gilles http://contrails.free.fr ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:21:30 PM PST US From: kbcarpenter@comcast.net Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Attending Rough River Fly-in... I'll be coming for Friday and most of Saturday. Ken Carpenter 865 805 3520 cell N 9XS Mono -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Paul McAllister" > > > 1. Jeff Behrnes 225 773-9671 cell N55XS Baby Blue Tri-gear > 2. Steve & Bobbi Crimm 678-461-7957 Home N42AH (Tentative) Mono > 3. Jeff Roberts 615-406-8651 Cell N128LJ Gold Rush Tri-Gear > 4. Andrew Sarangan 937-830-1610 arriving in a Zodiac. > 5. Troy & Donna Maynor 828-778-7702 cell. Driving in Wed.PM till Sat > 6. Jim & Heather Butcher, 269-599-0122 cell > 7. Chuck & Marilyn Rhoads 502-410-1357 Geo-Metro powered Tri-gear > 8. Paul McAllister 262 993 4483 cell. N378PJ Mono > 9. Bud Yerly Cell 813 244-8354 Driving in a > 10. Gary Leinberger - flying in with Mooney Friday to Monday - 717-682-9726 > 11. Julie & Tim Miller - Driving > 12. Ron Parigoris 631-839-3636 cell driving in Friday afternoon > 13. Wayne Gutschow 631-796-6431 cell driving in Friday afternoon > 14. Jim Puglise, Lynne Puglise, cell 941-875-5684 > 15. Scott & Corky Dingman N108EA, Cell 937-416-8080 > > > > >
I'll be coming for Friday and most of Saturday.
Ken Carpenter  865 805 3520 cell  N 9XS Mono
 
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> 1. Jeff Behrnes 225 773-9671 cell N55XS Baby Blue Tri-gear
> 2. Steve & Bobbi Crimm 678-461-7957 Home N42AH (Tentative) Mono
> 3. Jeff Roberts 615-406-8651 Cell N128LJ Gold Rush Tri-Gear
> 4. Andrew Sarangan 937-830-1610 arriving in a Zodiac.
> 5. Troy & Donna Maynor 828-778-7702 cell. Driving in Wed.PM till Sat
> 6. Jim & Heather Butcher, 269-599-0122 cell
> 7. Chuck & Marilyn Rhoads 502-410-1357 Geo-Metro powered Tri-gear
> 8. Paul McAllister 262 993 4483 cell. N378PJ Mono
> 9. Bud Yerly Cell 813 244-8354 Driving in a
> 10. Gary Leinberger - flying in with Mooney Friday to Monday - 717- 682-97 atroni
________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:14:54 PM PST US From: "Steve Crimm" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Attending Rough River Fly-in... Here is some additional information about Rough River, courtesy of the "Canard Group" who also has there fly-in there. http://www.roughriver.org/getting_there.html One thing I noticed is there isn't any fuel available. Does anyone have the link for finding 93 octane at airports? Thanks Steve _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kbcarpenter@comcast.net Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 19:20 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Attending Rough River Fly-in... I'll be coming for Friday and most of Saturday. Ken Carpenter 865 805 3520 cell N 9XS Mono -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Paul McAllister" > > > 1. Jeff Behrnes 225 773-9671 cell N55XS Baby Blue Tri-gear > 2. Steve & Bobbi Crimm 678-461-7957 Home N42AH (Tentative) Mono > 3. Jeff Roberts 615-406-8651 Cell N128LJ Gold Rush Tri-Gear > 4. Andrew Sarangan 937-830-1610 arriving in a Zodiac. > 5. Troy & Donna Maynor 828-778-7702 cell. Driving in Wed.PM till Sat > 6. Jim & Heather Butcher, 269-599-0122 cell > 7. Chuck & Marilyn Rhoads 502-410-1357 Geo-Metro powered Tri-gear > 8. Paul McAllister 262 993 4483 cell. N378PJ Mono > 9. Bud Yerly Cell 813 244-8354 Driving in a > 10. Gary Leinberger - flying in with Mooney Friday to Monday - 717- 682-97 atroni ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:23:41 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: BATTERY MASTER SWITCH From: "rampil" OK, the EV200 has mechanical contacts, but a) there is nothing inherently wrong with mechanical contacts, and b) the hold current is, as I said 1/8 or less than that of a conventional solenoids. Giles, I have a Nuckolls, LVBM circuit in my plane and have not noted any interaction. Why do you suspect the EV200? -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=127871#127871 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:41:11 PM PST US From: "Troy Maynor" Subject: Europa-List: More Mod Talk I am considering doing Mod 52 and Mod 74 in conjuction with each other. I figure someday someone will ask if I have all the Mandatory Mods done. I found out from Roger Bull that if you don't put the MAUW 1370 fuselage sockets on at the same time as you do mod 74, you would have to go BACK into the wing again to adjust the wing lift pins if you wanted to incorporate the rest of Mod 52 at a later date. I had thought I could just put the tie bar in only with the existing fuselage sockets and the new mod 74 pins and retro fit the rest of Mod 52 later. (Or at least that's what I understood in a phone conversation today with him.) So here I am in the middle of painting it and now taking it back apart!! What are the rest of you classic foam wing guys here in the states going to do about these mods? What if someday I need to do a trigear conversion. Will having the tiebar in the baggage area hinder the installation of the trigear legs to a great degree? Troy Maynor N120EU Europa Monowheel Classic Left to finish: Paint,(some) interior,engine install, (some) wiring. Weaverville, NC USA ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:29:10 PM PST US From: Keith Hickling Subject: Re: Europa-List: A new air-data system tricket for Europas Ira, This 5 hose rapid connector looks nice. My AOA has small diameter tubing, around 1.5 or 2 mm ID I think, though my pitot and static are the standard Europa size. Does Winter have different size ports available for different diam tubing? Regards, Keith Hickling, New Zealand. ----- Original Message ----- From: "rampil" Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 7:33 AM Subject: Europa-List: A new air-data system tricket for Europas > > Last year I installed this 5-hose rapid disconnect between my panel and > fuselage for my airdata tubing (I have an AOA (2 tubes) aside from the > usual Pitot static. > > It has worked quite well for the past year and I am now installing another > in my port wing root. I thought other Europaphile might want to evaluate > it for their application. > > I obtained them from Cumulus Soaring and they obtain it from Winter > Instrument in Germany. About $35. > > -------- > Ira N224XS > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=127802#127802 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc01481_426.jpg > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.