Europa-List Digest Archive

Tue 08/07/07


Total Messages Posted: 22



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     1. 12:41 AM - Mod 74 (David.Corbett)
     2. 12:41 AM - Re: Re: BATTERY MASTER SWITCH (Gilles Thesee)
     3. 02:47 AM - Re: Re: BATTERY MASTER SWITCHBATTERY MASTER SWITCH (ROGER MILLS)
     4. 02:56 AM - Re: More Mod Talk (Graham Singleton)
     5. 06:28 AM - Re: More Mod Talk (ALAN YERLY)
     6. 07:10 AM - Re: A new air-data system tricket for Europas (rampil)
     7. 07:15 AM - Re: BATTERY MASTER SWITCH (rampil)
     8. 08:18 AM - Rough River (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com)
     9. 09:49 AM - Rough River vs. Zurich, Switzerland (Robert Borger)
    10. 10:33 AM - Mod 73 list (Richard Iddon)
    11. 10:38 AM - Re: More Mod Talk (Rob Housman)
    12. 10:51 AM - Re: Mod 73 list (Trevpond@aol.com)
    13. 11:01 AM - Re: Re: Attending Rough River Fly-in... (Jeff B)
    14. 11:24 AM - Re: Re: Attending Rough River Fly-in... (Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com)
    15. 12:33 PM - Re: Rough River vs. Zurich, Switzerland (Graham Singleton)
    16. 12:40 PM - Re: Mod 73 list (Richard Iddon)
    17. 01:22 PM - More help required.....Vac gauge problem (R.C.Harrison)
    18. 03:25 PM - Re: Rough River (Laptop JR)
    19. 03:55 PM - Re: Rough River (JEFF ROBERTS)
    20. 04:28 PM - Araldite "expiry" - shear test (G&TPowell)
    21. 04:48 PM - Missed email mesages (Fergus Kyle)
    22. 05:02 PM - Re: More help required.....Vac gauge problem (Graham Singleton)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:41:53 AM PST US
    From: "David.Corbett" <david.corbett5@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Mod 74
    Anyone who read my posting last night will realise that I wrote up today's sequence incorrectly - the Loctite comes before the flox fillet! Apologies. David


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    Time: 12:41:53 AM PST US
    From: Gilles Thesee <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
    Subject: Re: BATTERY MASTER SWITCH
    Ira and all, > b) the hold current is, as I said > 1/8 or less than that of a conventional solenoids. > That's why I chose these contactors. > Giles, I have a Nuckolls, LVBM circuit in my plane and have not noted > any interaction. Why do you suspect the EV200? > Some info at http://contrails.free.fr/elec_lvwm_en.php When the EV 200 are replaced with a standard contactor the problem vanishes... Best regards, -- Gilles http://contrails.free.fr


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    Time: 02:47:09 AM PST US
    From: ROGER MILLS <roger.mills@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: BATTERY MASTER SWITCHBATTERY MASTER SWITCH
    Rob, Are you actually using this relay? I suspect it isn't suitable for a DC load (if you look at the laod terminal it says "AC" ). It probably uses a triac as the control element - which depends on the voltage reaching zero to switch off. Regards Roger Mills


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    Time: 02:56:44 AM PST US
    From: Graham Singleton <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: More Mod Talk
    Troy that is the wise decision, (put in both mods together) (imho!) Without the articulating sockets the pins would still see some bending loads, which I don't feel happy about. You only have to hit a strong thermal at 80kts with the flaps down and that would cause quite high loads, which you WON'T feel on the flap lever btw,all the flap load goes through the flap brackets, none into the push rod connected to the gear. Graham p.s. (I wouldn't anticipate too much extra problem with a tri gear conversion but never tried it) Troy Maynor wrote: > I am considering doing Mod 52 and Mod 74 in conjuction with each other. I > figure someday someone will ask if I have all the Mandatory Mods done. > I found out from Roger Bull that if you don't put the MAUW 1370 fuselage > sockets on at the same time as you do mod 74, you would have to go BACK into > the wing again to adjust the wing lift pins if you wanted to incorporate the > rest of Mod 52 at a later date. > > What if someday I need to do a trigear conversion. Will having the tiebar in > the baggage area hinder the installation of the trigear legs to a great > degree? > > Troy Maynor


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    Time: 06:28:19 AM PST US
    From: "ALAN YERLY" <budyerly@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: More Mod Talk
    Troy, I feel your pain. You are right in that your Mod 74 will require you to reopen the wing and reset the pin depth if you do Mod 52 afterwards. I just bit the bullet and ordered Mod 52 with the Mod 74 using your same logic. I have been holding out on informing the classic guys I know until I get my mods accomplished. I am pretty sure most of them already have Mod 52 installed so their plight is different than mine. I have a tri-gear Classic which needs the upholstery tore out and my plywood ribs cut down etc. to complete the transformation. Bud Yerly Custom Flight Creations. ----- Original Message ----- From: Troy Maynor<mailto:wingnut54@charter.net> To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 10:17 PM Subject: Europa-List: More Mod Talk I am considering doing Mod 52 and Mod 74 in conjuction with each other. I figure someday someone will ask if I have all the Mandatory Mods done. I found out from Roger Bull that if you don't put the MAUW 1370 fuselage sockets on at the same time as you do mod 74, you would have to go BACK into the wing again to adjust the wing lift pins if you wanted to incorporate the rest of Mod 52 at a later date. I had thought I could just put the tie bar in only with the existing fuselage sockets and the new mod 74 pins and retro fit the rest of Mod 52 later. (Or at least that's what I understood in a phone conversation today with him.) So here I am in the middle of painting it and now taking it back apart!! What are the rest of you classic foam wing guys here in the states going to do about these mods? What if someday I need to do a trigear conversion. Will having the tiebar in the baggage area hinder the installation of the trigear legs to a great degree? Troy Maynor N120EU Europa Monowheel Classic Left to finish: Paint,(some) interior,engine install, (some) wiring. Weaverville, NC USA


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    Time: 07:10:58 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: A new air-data system tricket for Europas
    From: "rampil" <ira.rampil@gmail.com>
    Hi Keith, I do not believe that Winter supplies any other than described. The OEM that actually manufactures the connector might, but it might be easier to use brass or plastic fittings to change the tubing size -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=127940#127940


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    Time: 07:15:08 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: BATTERY MASTER SWITCH
    From: "rampil" <ira.rampil@gmail.com>
    Rob, The solid state relay you point to has a max current rating of 25A. This is about 1/4 that needed to function as a true master contactor and handle starting load for the engine. -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=127942#127942


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    Time: 08:18:42 AM PST US
    From: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
    Subject: Rough River
    Hey Guys, Add me to the Rough River list. I'll be arriving by air, weather permitting. Not sure what day yet. Probably Saturday. Just depends on what Mother Nature throws at me and when I can break away. Rough River is just over an hour flight time from TN89, so it doesn't make much sense for me to take up scarce lodging space that others from farther away will need. So, I'll fly in for the day or maybe two. If anybody is interested I'd be happy bring up my buffer and give a demo of how to color sand and buff out urethane paint and how to get scratches out of Plexiglass. I can also show everybody how to build up the buffers like we use on sailplanes here at the 'Possum Werks, along with all the info as to what pads and bobs we use, where to get them, preferred rouge and where to get it, etc. I'd also be happy to bring my SWR meter and assorted test gear if anybody has any nagging RF or electrical troubles they'd like me to help them with. Anyway, looking forward to talking Europa's with everybody! Regards, John Lawton Whitwell, TN (TN89) N245E - Resting peacefully after just returning from yet another flawless 800 nm XC flight http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour


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    Time: 09:49:02 AM PST US
    From: Robert Borger <rlborger@mac.com>
    Subject: Rough River vs. Zurich, Switzerland
    John & fellow Europaphiles, Darn John, now you make me feel real bad that I can't make it. I'd dearly like to be there for your entire presentation. Unfortunately, I have to be on an airliner for Zurich, Saturday morning September 1st. Since this is our 35th Anniversary trip, it's not something I can shuffle around and still keep peace in the family. I want to ensure that my better half continues to support my aviation habit, so we go to Switzerland. I hope we North American Europa owners and flyers can make this an annual event as I plan to fly N914XL to Rough River next year if it goes again. Y'all have a great time. Someone be sure to take pics and post them somewhere on Europa-Owners.org Now, are there any Swiss Europa aviators who would care to visit with some U.S. Europa aviators? I will be arriving in Zurich early on the morning of September 2nd. We will be driving to Basel on the 3rd. Good building and great flying, Bob Borger Europa XS - N914XL cell: 817-992-1117


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    Time: 10:33:57 AM PST US
    From: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
    Subject: Mod 73 list
    Mod 73 list is getting a bit big to paste into an email so I have attached a table in a Word file herewith. Anyone wanting a different format let me know and I will do my best. So far from 37 who have reported there are over 7,700 flying hours in total (plus quite a few who haven't listed hours flown) and only one disbonded TP6. No major problems found on doing the mod and about one third had to replace the pip pins with longer one's. Richard Iddon G-RIXS 06/08/2007 16:53


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    Time: 10:38:47 AM PST US
    From: "Rob Housman" <rob@hyperion-ef.com>
    Subject: More Mod Talk
    Troy: In re: tie bar and Tri-Gear conversion An already installed tie bar will be the least of your problems. By far the most frustrating, tedious, difficult, messy (add a few more modifiers here) part of constructing a Tri-Gear is the installation of the main gear leg sockets. Compared to that effort, removing the tie bar is child's play. Best regards, Rob Housman Irvine, California Europa XS Tri-Gear S/N A070 Airframe complete _____________________________________________ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Troy Maynor Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 7:18 PM Subject: Europa-List: More Mod Talk I am considering doing Mod 52 and Mod 74 in conjuction with each other. I figure someday someone will ask if I have all the Mandatory Mods done. I found out from Roger Bull that if you don't put the MAUW 1370 fuselage sockets on at the same time as you do mod 74, you would have to go BACK into the wing again to adjust the wing lift pins if you wanted to incorporate the rest of Mod 52 at a later date. I had thought I could just put the tie bar in only with the existing fuselage sockets and the new mod 74 pins and retro fit the rest of Mod 52 later. (Or at least that's what I understood in a phone conversation today with him.) So here I am in the middle of painting it and now taking it back apart!! What are the rest of you classic foam wing guys here in the states going to do about these mods? What if someday I need to do a trigear conversion. Will having the tiebar in the baggage area hinder the installation of the trigear legs to a great degree? Troy Maynor N120EU Europa Monowheel Classic Left to finish: Paint,(some) interior,engine install, (some) wiring. Weaverville, NC USA


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    Time: 10:51:45 AM PST US
    From: Trevpond@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Mod 73 list
    Hi Richard, If you have not already done so, would it be a good idea to forward a copy to Francis Donaldson? Regards Trev Pond G-LINN


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    Time: 11:01:41 AM PST US
    From: Jeff B <topglock@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Attending Rough River Fly-in...
    Steve and all attending, Correct, there is no fuel at Rough River, sooooooo......... I was kinda hoping that we could convince a few of you folks, who are driving in, to bring a couple of 5 gal. gas cans with you, to help those flying in, with gathering gas. Any volunteers? Anyone helping out will be a shoe-in for some Europa Gear... Jeff - Baby Blue 307 hrs Steve Crimm wrote: > Here is some additional information about Rough River, courtesy of the > "Canard Group" who also has there fly-in there. > > http://www.roughriver.org/getting_there.html > > One thing I noticed is there isn't any fuel available. Does anyone > have the link for finding 93 octane at airports? > > Thanks > > Steve > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of > *kbcarpenter@comcast.net > *Sent:* Monday, August 06, 2007 19:20 > *To:* europa-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RE: Europa-List: Re: Attending Rough River Fly-in... > > I'll be coming for Friday and most of Saturday. > Ken Carpenter 865 805 3520 cell N 9XS Mono > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net> > > > > > > > 1. Jeff Behrnes 225 773-9671 cell N55XS Baby Blue Tri-gear > > 2. Steve & Bobbi Crimm 678-461-7957 Home N42AH (Tentative) Mono > > 3. Jeff Roberts 615-406-8651 Cell N128LJ Gold Rush Tri-Gear > > 4. Andrew Sarangan 937-830-1610 arriving in a Zodiac. > > 5. Troy & Donna Maynor 828-778-7702 cell. Driving in Wed.PM till > Sat > > 6. Jim & Heather Butcher, 269-599-0122 cell > > 7. Chuck & Marilyn Rhoads 502-410-1357 Geo-Metro powered Tri-gear > > 8. Paul McAllister 262 993 4483 cell. N378PJ Mono > > 9. Bud Yerly Cell 813 244-8354 Driving in a > > 10. Gary Leinberger - flying in with Mooney Friday to Monday - > 717- 682-97 atroni > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > * > > * > > > * > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >


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    Time: 11:24:59 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Attending Rough River Fly-in...
    From: Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com
    Jeff, Will do. I've also a nice scratch on my port wing, which would have been ideal for John to demonstrate on - one of the joys of sharing a hangar with 172's. Now if someone knows how to fix a constant speed Woodcomp, I'll bring that along too. Dave & Lodja Miller, C-FBZI, with a warp drive prop for the time being. Jeff B <topglock@cox.net> Sent by: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com 08/07/2007 02:02 PM Please respond to europa-list@matronics.com To europa-list@matronics.com cc Subject Re: Europa-List: Re: Attending Rough River Fly-in... Steve and all attending, Correct, there is no fuel at Rough River, sooooooo......... I was kinda hoping that we could convince a few of you folks, who are driving in, to bring a couple of 5 gal. gas cans with you, to help those flying in, with gathering gas. Any volunteers? Anyone helping out will be a shoe-in for some Europa Gear... Jeff - Baby Blue 307 hrs Steve Crimm wrote: Here is some additional information about Rough River, courtesy of the "Canard Group" who also has there fly-in there. http://www.roughriver.org/getting_there.html One thing I noticed is there isn't any fuel available. Does anyone have the link for finding 93 octane at airports? Thanks Steve From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [ mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kbcarpenter@comcast.net Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 19:20 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Attending Rough River Fly-in... I'll be coming for Friday and most of Saturday. Ken Carpenter 865 805 3520 cell N 9XS Mono -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net> > > > 1. Jeff Behrnes 225 773-9671 cell N55XS Baby Blue Tri-gear > 2. Steve & Bobbi Crimm 678-461-7957 Home N42AH (Tentative) Mono > 3. Jeff Roberts 615-406-8651 Cell N128LJ Gold Rush Tri-Gear > 4. Andrew Sarangan 937-830-1610 arriving in a Zodiac. > 5. Troy & Donna Maynor 828-778-7702 cell. Driving in Wed.PM till Sat > 6. Jim & Heather Butcher, 269-599-0122 cell > 7. Chuck & Marilyn Rhoads 502-410-1357 Geo-Metro powered Tri-gear > 8. Paul McAllister 262 993 4483 cell. N378PJ Mono > 9. Bud Yerly Cell 813 244-8354 Driving in a > 10. Gary Leinberger - flying in with Mooney Friday to Monday - 717- 682-97 atroni href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List"> http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com"> http://forums.matronics.com


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    Time: 12:33:24 PM PST US
    From: Graham Singleton <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: Rough River vs. Zurich, Switzerland
    Bob well, you can always go to the canard fly in end of the month! That was the inspiration for this one Graham Robert Borger wrote: > > John & fellow Europaphiles, > > Darn John, now you make me feel real bad that I can't make it. I'd dearly like to be there for your entire presentation. Unfortunately, I have to be on an airliner for Zurich, Saturday morning September 1st. Since this is our 35th Anniversary trip, it's not something I can shuffle around and still keep peace in the family. I want to ensure that my better half continues to support my aviation habit, so we go to Switzerland. > > I hope we North American Europa owners and flyers can make this an annual event as I plan to fly N914XL to Rough River next year if it goes again. > > Y'all have a great time. Someone be sure to take pics and post them somewhere on Europa-Owners.org > > > Now, are there any Swiss Europa aviators who would care to visit with some U.S. Europa aviators? I will be arriving in Zurich early on the morning of September 2nd. We will be driving to Basel on the 3rd. > > Good building and great flying, > Bob Borger > Europa XS - N914XL > cell: 817-992-1117 > > > > > -- Graham Singleton Tel: +441629820187 Mob: +447739582005


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    Time: 12:40:47 PM PST US
    From: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
    Subject: Mod 73 list
    Trev, I was thinking of letting the list run for another couple of weeks before giving up on it then sending the results to Engineering. I think that it will fairly well have served it=92s purpose by then. I do rather suspect that or someone at the PFA monitors this site and may well pick it up anyway. Something I posted on here did get back to me via Francis once upon a time. Richard Iddon G-RIXS -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Trevpond@aol.com Sent: 07 August 2007 18:51 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 73 list Hi Richard, If you have not already done so, would it be a good idea to forward a copy to Francis Donaldson? Regards Trev Pond G-LINN 06/08/2007 16:53 06/08/2007 16:53


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    Time: 01:22:35 PM PST US
    From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
    Subject: More help required.....Vac gauge problem
    Further to my cry for help,... fixed the Manifold Pressure problem a leaking connector at the "tee". Does this mean that the carb balancing done will be now "off track "? Made serious attempts at solving the vac gauge failure to register the vacuum. It works when sucked by mouth on the "v" pipe (I think it was !) but nothing on the other pipe (what does it do ?) At what stage do I suspect the new Rapco pump isn't actually pulling enough vacuum?(but can hear the gyros overrunning on engine shut down. And they work slower with a vacuum cleaner connected in lieu of the pump) Thanks in anticipation of any suggestions. Regards Bob H G-PTAG (just all geared up to start Mod 74.) (no bits arrived yet !) Robt.C.Harrison


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    Time: 03:25:47 PM PST US
    From: "Laptop JR" <jrgowing@bigpond.net.au>
    Subject: Re: Rough River
    That is a nice offer John! Wish I could take you up on it! Bob Gowing in Oz Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 1:17 AM Subject: Europa-List: Rough River Hey Guys, Add me to the Rough River list. I'll be arriving by air, weather permitting. Not sure what day yet. Probably Saturday. Just depends on what Mother Nature throws at me and when I can break away. Rough River is just over an hour flight time from TN89, so it doesn't make much sense for me to take up scarce lodging space that others from farther away will need. So, I'll fly in for the day or maybe two. If anybody is interested I'd be happy bring up my buffer and give a demo of how to color sand and buff out urethane paint and how to get scratches out of Plexiglass. I can also show everybody how to build up the buffers like we use on sailplanes here at the 'Possum Werks, along with all the info as to what pads and bobs we use, where to get them, preferred rouge and where to get it, etc. I'd also be happy to bring my SWR meter and assorted test gear if anybody has any nagging RF or electrical troubles they'd like me to help them with. Anyway, looking forward to talking Europa's with everybody! Regards, John Lawton Whitwell, TN (TN89) N245E - Resting peacefully after just returning from yet another flawless 800 nm XC flight ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- AOL.com.


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    Time: 03:55:30 PM PST US
    From: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net>
    Subject: Re: Rough River
    John, I have a scratch in a low area of my inside windshield that I would be delighted to offer up as a ginny pig. Just how far could this demonstration go anyway? Under my wings and fuselage also could use a good buffing. Do you charge by the hour? ;) See you there... Jeff Roberts A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush. On Aug 7, 2007, at 5:23 PM, Laptop JR wrote: > That is a nice offer John! > Wish I could take you up on it! > Bob Gowing in Oz > > Do not archive >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com >> To: europa-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 1:17 AM >> Subject: Europa-List: Rough River >> >> >> Hey Guys, >> >> Add me to the Rough River list. I'll be arriving by air, weather >> permitting. Not sure what day yet. Probably Saturday. Just depends >> on what Mother Nature throws at me and when I can break away. >> >> Rough River isjust over an hour flight timefrom TN89, so it doesn't >> make much sense for me to take up scarce lodging space that others >> from farther away will need. So, I'll fly in for the day or maybe >> two. >> >> If anybody is interested I'd be happy bring up my buffer and give a >> demo of how to color sand andbuff out urethane paint and how to get >> scratches out of Plexiglass. I can also show everybody how to build >> up thebuffers like we use on sailplanes here at the 'Possum Werks, >> along withall the info as to what pads and bobswe use, where to get >> them, preferred rouge and where to get it, etc. I'd also be happy to >> bring my SWR meter and assorted test gearif anybody has any >> naggingRF or electrical troublesthey'd like me to help them with. >> >> Anyway, looking forward to talking Europa's with everybody! >> >> Regards, >> >> John Lawton >> Whitwell, TN (TN89) >> N245E - Resting peacefullyafter justreturning from yetanother >> flawless 800nm XC flight >> >> >> >> >> AOL.com. >> >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http:// >> www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http:// >> forums.matronics.com >> > >


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    Time: 04:28:10 PM PST US
    Subject: Araldite "expiry" - shear test
    From: "G&amp;TPowell" <georgepowell@hotmail.com>
    There was a thread some time back concerning Araldite 420 and whether it was any good after the "expiry date" on the can. My Araldite has a listed expiry date of April 21, 2006. The gist of the thread was that as long as the inert materials were not mixed and were stored properly, the Araldite should work fine. Several people suggested testing the bond on scrap to determine if "old" Araldite would hold. In order to test the adhesion integrity of Araldite 420 past expiry date on the can, I set up a test as follows: I cut two pieces of scrap F04 PVC foam approximately 3 inches wide and 10 inches long. I coated both sides of each piece with micro slurry, then laid up two pieces of bid at 45 degree bias on each side (similar to the construction of the aft bulkhead). The two pieces (I will refer to each piece as a mini-bulkhead) were laid up on June 10 and 12, 2007. After more than a month of post-cure, I mixed a batch of Araldite 420 from containers opened on July 25, 2007, and mixed in flox per the manual direction. I used this mixture to bond the two previously laid-up foam/glass mini-bulkhead pieces together with a 6 inch lengthwise overlap on each piece. After nearly two weeks of post-cure, I clamped the glued-together sandwich to a piece of half-inch plywood on my shop bench. The piece was clamped in such a fashion that when weight was applied to the end most distant from the bench, force would be applied so as to try to pull apart the bond between the two pieces (in other words, the test of the bond was in tension rather than compression). The first test involved hanging 23 lbs of weight 2 inches from the outer end of the piece (8 inches from the edge of the plywood on the shop bench). The bonded sandwich deflected approximately an inch, with no sign of delamination or failure of the bond. The second test upped the weight to 36 lbs. A slight additional deflection occurred, with no delamination or failure of the bond. Finally, 57 lbs. of weight was added. The piece deflected several inches and held. A slight cracking noise was heard, then the piece failed, approximately a quarter inch beyond the edge of the plywood away from the clamps. The piece did not fail all the way through, but remained deflected in approximately a 40 degree bend. The fiberglass layers held the parts together, and when removed from the clamps, some flexing was required to break the part completely in two. The Araldite bond remained completely intact. I then took the remaining piece and clamped it in a steel vise bolted to another bench. I then pulled on the upper mini-bulkhead piece as hard as I could, and was able to make the sandwich fail. Once again, the failure occurred just beyond the point of clamping, and the failure was limited to a break in the bid/foam laid-up piece. The Araldite bond again remained completely intact. I don't have the math or engineering skills to calculate the forces in the my (admittedly) informal test, but it was comforting to see that a properly laid up fiberglass/foam sandwich will fail before the Araldite bond. As one poster to the earlier thread questioned, is there a "life" to the other materials we are using in our planes, such as fiberglass cloth? It seems that if anything on my plane is going to break, the Araldite bond will be the last thing to go. I feel pretty comfortable using my Araldite as is. Any comments to this post would be appreciated, and if anyone would like digital pictures, I could try to upload them. Thanks, George Powell Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org


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    Time: 04:48:32 PM PST US
    From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
    Subject: Missed email mesages
    I must apologize, but my server 'ra.ca' had lost control of its machinery this last weekend and in the process of countering spam lost all emails to me from Saturday 04AUG to yesterday, Monday 07Aug. 7, 07 inclusive. If you had sent me critical advice or legal information during that period, I will not have got it and cannot therefore respond.......... Sorry Ferg


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    Time: 05:02:08 PM PST US
    From: Graham Singleton <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: More help required.....Vac gauge problem
    Bob imho the best type of vacuum pump is one that sucks electrons through a lump of silicon and displays the resulting confusion on a screen! Weighs less and doesn't pack up quite so regularly! Graham ;-0 R.C.Harrison wrote: > Further to my cry for help, fixed the Manifold Pressure problem a > leaking connector at the tee. Does this mean that the carb balancing > done will be now off track ? > > Made serious attempts at solving the vac gauge failure to register the > vacuum. It works when sucked by mouth on the v pipe (I think it was !) > but nothing on the other pipe (what does it do ?) > > > > At what stage do I suspect the new Rapco pump isnt actually pulling > enough vacuum?(but can hear the gyros overrunning on engine shut down. > And they work slower with a vacuum cleaner connected in lieu of the pump) > > Thanks in anticipation of any suggestions. > > > > Regards > > Bob H G-PTAG (just all geared up to start Mod 74.) (no bits arrived yet !) > > > > Robt.C.Harrison > > > > * > > > * -- Graham Singleton Tel: +441629820187 Mob: +447739582005




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