---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 08/08/07: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:52 AM - Switzerland, EAS Fly-In August, 17. - 19. (Gert Dalgaard) 2. 07:31 AM - Suction - what's up with that? (Fergus Kyle) 3. 08:10 AM - Re: Switzerland, EAS Fly-In August, 17. - 19. (karelvranken) 4. 08:41 AM - Inexpensive inflight mapping, weather, internet (glenn crowder) 5. 09:16 AM - Re: Switzerland, EAS Fly-In August, 17. - 19. (R.C.Harrison) 6. 09:57 AM - removal of nylon outrigger legs (Remi Guerner) 7. 10:44 AM - Re: removal of nylon outrigger legs (Pete Lawless) 8. 11:00 AM - Re: removal of nylon outrigger legs (nwcmc@tiscali.co.uk) 9. 11:45 AM - Re: removal of nylon outrigger legs (Graham Singleton) 10. 11:49 AM - Re: removal of nylon outrigger legs (Niels Kock) 11. 11:56 AM - Re: Suction - what's up with that? (Graham Singleton) 12. 12:02 PM - FW: More help required.....Vac gauge problem (R.C.Harrison) 13. 12:33 PM - Re: removal of nylon outrigger legs (Andrew Sarangan) 14. 01:56 PM - Vac System PANIC OVER THANKS. (R.C.Harrison) 15. 02:23 PM - Re: FW: More help required.....Vac gauge problem (Geoff Leedham) 16. 04:19 PM - Re: Re: Attending Rough River Fly-in... (Paul McAllister) 17. 04:47 PM - Re: removal of nylon outrigger legs (Graham Singleton) 18. 04:53 PM - Mogas near Rough River (Steve Crimm) 19. 07:16 PM - Re: removal of nylon outrigger legs (europaman) 20. 11:06 PM - Re: FW: More help required.....Vac gauge problem (R.C.Harrison) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:52:57 AM PST US From: Gert Dalgaard Subject: Europa-List: Switzerland, EAS Fly-In August, 17. - 19. LSGL Anyone planning to go? I plan to have a late lunch somewhere in South-Germany on Friday and go back to DK on Sunday. Gert OY-GDS http://www.experimental.ch/content/view/20/1/ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:31:21 AM PST US From: "Fergus Kyle" Subject: Europa-List: Suction - what's up with that? " Bob imho the best type of vacuum pump is one that sucks electrons through a lump of silicon and displays the resulting confusion on a screen! Weighs less and doesn't pack up quite so regularly! Graham ;-0 " Here, here! Graham you have it right. I'm dickering with Shenzhen over a 8.4inch screen having 1000nits dimming down to 12, driven by a Mini Mac with MountainScope software to try to keep up. I see my inspector Friday and will see if I get a good fit. Cheers, Ferg (PS: hoping for higher that 10,000feet capability) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:10:44 AM PST US From: "karelvranken" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Switzerland, EAS Fly-In August, 17. - 19. Gert, Saturday I will be there with my grandson Lei. I stay until sunday after the lunch to fly back to EBLE Belgium. If weather permitting... Hope to see you there in the crouds. Karel Vranken, # 447 F-PKRL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gert Dalgaard" Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 11:51 AM Subject: Europa-List: Switzerland, EAS Fly-In August, 17. - 19. > > LSGL > Anyone planning to go? > I plan to have a late lunch somewhere in South-Germany on Friday and go > back to DK on Sunday. > Gert > OY-GDS > > http://www.experimental.ch/content/view/20/1/ > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:41:09 AM PST US From: glenn crowder Subject: Europa-List: Inexpensive inflight mapping, weather, internet Heres a new micro PC from ASUS, named the Eee, comes with Linux but will r un Windows XP. 7" screen. Has no harddrive, uses large flash drive. Has wireless and networking built in. Should be great for in flight mapping an d in-flight Internet/weather. Very inexpensive. http://www.asus.com/news_show.aspx?id=7317 Heres a review: http://www .hothardware.com/Articles/Hands_on_with_the_ASUS_Eee/ _________________________________________________________________ Learn. Laugh. Share. Reallivemoms is right place! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:16:03 AM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Switzerland, EAS Fly-In August, 17. - 19. I wish ! Bob H G-PTAG Robt.C.Harrison Do not archive. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gert Dalgaard Sent: 08 August 2007 10:51 Subject: Europa-List: Switzerland, EAS Fly-In August, 17. - 19. LSGL Anyone planning to go? I plan to have a late lunch somewhere in South-Germany on Friday and go back to DK on Sunday. Gert OY-GDS http://www.experimental.ch/content/view/20/1/ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:57:21 AM PST US From: "Remi Guerner" Subject: Europa-List: removal of nylon outrigger legs Hello all, I just received my monowheel speed kit. I tried to remove the outrigger OR3 fork to install the fairings. No way. Then I tried to remove the nylon leg from OR1. Impossible. May be the nylon has expanded with aging . Any suggestion ? Remi Guerner F-PGKL, XS S/N395 monowheel, 912S, Airmaster, 510 hours ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:44:46 AM PST US From: "Pete Lawless" Subject: RE: Europa-List: removal of nylon outrigger legs Remi No suggestions, but if you ever do get the kit to fit I would be very interested to know what your airspeed increases by. Regards Pete -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Remi Guerner Sent: 08 August 2007 17:51 Subject: Europa-List: removal of nylon outrigger legs Hello all, I just received my monowheel speed kit. I tried to remove the outrigger OR3 fork to install the fairings. No way. Then I tried to remove the nylon leg from OR1. Impossible. May be the nylon has expanded with aging . Any suggestion ? Remi Guerner F-PGKL, XS S/N395 monowheel, 912S, Airmaster, 510 hours -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:00:04 AM PST US From: "nwcmc@tiscali.co.uk" Subject: Re: Europa-List: removal of nylon outrigger legs If you get desperate try putting the whole leg in a freezer for a few hours and then locally heat the aluminium fittings with a hot air gun. As they c onduct heat quicker they may expand sufficiently to become loose. Nigel Charles ----Original Message---- From: air.guerner@wanadoo.fr Subj: Europa-List: removal of nylon outrigger legs Hello all, I just received my monowheel speed kit. I tried to remove the outrigger OR 3 fork to install the fairings. No way. Then I tried to remove the nylon le g from OR1. Impossible. May be the nylon has expanded with aging . Any sug gestion ? Remi Guerner F-PGKL, XS S/N395 monowheel, 912S, Airmaster, 510 hours __________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband only =C2=A37.99 a month for your first 3 months! http://w ww.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:45:47 AM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: removal of nylon outrigger legs Remi nylon absorbs up to 7% by weight of water so probably has swolen. You might try dehydrating it with silica gell? Graham Remi Guerner wrote: > Hello all, > > I just received my monowheel speed kit. I tried to remove the outrigger > OR3 fork to install the fairings. No way. Then I tried to remove the > nylon leg from OR1. Impossible. May be the nylon has expanded with > aging . Any suggestion ? > > > Remi Guerner ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:49:30 AM PST US From: "Niels Kock" Subject: Re: Europa-List: removal of nylon outrigger legs Remi. I encountered the same problem in a similar situation. Your intellect will not serve you well here, you have to resort to brute force: Put a bolt fitting the axle holes of the fork through the 2 holes. The bolt must be long enough to extend at least 3-4 centimeters either side of the wheel fork. Then strike the bolt with many small strikes parallel to the leg, on altern ate sides of the fork, and you will see the fork moving gradually off the leg. At least I did. Now, I have a problem: I've just put on a new mono-tyre, McReady Air-trac 8.00 x 6. pumped to 15 psi. It turns out that the tyre is in contact with the sides of the wheel leg, e mitting sgueals during taxy like a couple of fighting piglets. It is not only the pensive looks from stewardesses and other impression-wor thy groups connected to aviation that bothers me, when I pass them by, squealing insanely, it is al so the palpable temperature of the sides of the tyre after taxying to the hangar. Imagine the loss of face and money, if the squealing progress comes to an a brupt halt with an almighty thunderclap from a burst inner tube in front of an awe-struck crowd! Apart from parting with another 100 =A3 buying a 7.00 x 6 tyre, is there any possibility of splaying the UC-leg about one mm each side=3F I already have untightened the central bolt through the hub a couple of threads. To no avail. Any suggestions=3F Niels Kock OY-ODA Mono Classic ----- Original Message ----- From: Remi Guerner To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 6:51 PM Subject: Europa-List: removal of nylon outrigger legs Hello all, I just received my monowheel speed kit. I tried to remove the outrigger OR3 fork to install the fairings. No way. Then I tried to remove the nylon leg from OR1. Impossible. May be the nylon has expanded with aging . 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Hent gratis SPAMfighter her: http://www.spamfighter.com/lda ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:56:57 AM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Suction - what's up with that? Glenn Crowder just mentioned an interesting ASUS mini computer, wonder how bright the screen is? Graham Fergus Kyle wrote: > > Here, here! > Graham you have it right. I'm dickering with Shenzhen over a 8.4inch > screen having 1000nits dimming down to 12, driven by a Mini Mac with > MountainScope software to try to keep up. I see my inspector Friday and will > see if I get a good fit. > Cheers, Ferg > (PS: hoping for higher that 10,000feet capability) ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:02:47 PM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: Europa-List: FW: More help required.....Vac gauge problem Hi! Guys The only assistance I received on my call for help was Graham Singleton with a message about neutrons! I have no intention of changing my system so it's a vacuum system and it will stay since I don't believe in buying gear for the sake of getting rid of working gear. Perhaps I may have a response to the following :- The Rapco vacuum diagram on the Internet shows a typical pipe circuit, I have replicated it on my pipe layout. The diagram shows the gauge to have a port with a tiny letter "P" and the other port with a letter "V". Unfortunately my gauge whilst it is similar just doesn't have the ident. letters stamped on it. One of the ports operates the gauge when you suck the pipe, the other seems to be unable to pass air either way by mouth. If I could identify which port is which I may be able to sort out my problem? Does anyone know just what the "dead" port does? It always worked with the Jabiru so I'm baffled. Then on top of this my regulator has only one connection IN and one connection OUT. I have overcome that by "T" connecting the air exit ports of DI and AH together for onwards to the regulator and then vac pump. The filter delivers to two pipes for incoming air to the DI and AH connections which are marked. Can I presume that when the word "VAC" is on an instrument port it needs to be headed to the pump via the regulator? No matter how the gauge is connected the gyro's run whilst the engine runs. Thanks useful suggestions in anticipation. Robt.C.Harrison G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: R.C.Harrison [mailto:ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: 07 August 2007 21:21 Subject: More help required.....Vac gauge problem Further to my cry for help,... fixed the Manifold Pressure problem a leaking connector at the "tee". Does this mean that the carb balancing done will be now "off track "? Made serious attempts at solving the vac gauge failure to register the vacuum. It works when sucked by mouth on the "v" pipe (I think it was !) but nothing on the other pipe (what does it do ?) At what stage do I suspect the new Rapco pump isn't actually pulling enough vacuum?(but can hear the gyros overrunning on engine shut down. And they work slower with a vacuum cleaner connected in lieu of the pump) Thanks in anticipation of any suggestions. Regards Bob H G-PTAG (just all geared up to start Mod 74.) (no bits arrived yet !) Robt.C.Harrison ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:33:24 PM PST US From: Andrew Sarangan Subject: Re: Europa-List: removal of nylon outrigger legs Nylon expands when it absorbs moisture. So you could try drying them for a few days. However, I found that the nylon legs supplied with the kit were slightly larger in diameter than the OR1 and Or3 sockets. I had to shave off on a lathe to get it to fit properly. If you forced them in, it may be impossible to remove. The only alternative would be to cut off the legs and drill out the nylon. I would try the drying option first. --- Remi Guerner wrote: > Hello all, > > I just received my monowheel speed kit. I tried to remove the > outrigger OR3 fork to install the fairings. No way. Then I tried to > remove the nylon leg from OR1. Impossible. May be the nylon has > expanded with aging . Any suggestion ? > > Remi Guerner > > F-PGKL, XS S/N395 monowheel, 912S, Airmaster, 510 hours > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:56:41 PM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: Europa-List: Vac System PANIC OVER THANKS. Further to my last cry for help ....I've sorted it out "P" stands for Pressure which is ambient . "V " obviously stands for Vacuum. To identify "P" on the gauge blow it and "V" suck it . Together they move the gauge needle. In the same direction. Thanks for the thought you may have made on this vexed question. Like the Ignition connectors slight lack of information like no letters on the gauge doesn't help without the basic knowledge. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG (Only Mod 74 to do now !) Robt.C.Harrison ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:23:57 PM PST US From: "Geoff Leedham" Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: More help required.....Vac gauge problem Bob, the other side of the gauge should be connected to the line going to the air filter. If the gauge reads when you suck on the pipe then I would thing that is the one to connect to the Vac side. On my gauge it is marked V and P. The v relates to vent or air filter line and P relates to the vac side. You are correct with the connections to the regulator (mine also has a single pipe with a "T". Geoff Leedham G_EOFS ----- Original Message ----- From: R.C.Harrison To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 8:01 PM Subject: Europa-List: FW: More help required.....Vac gauge problem ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:19:27 PM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Attending Rough River Fly-in... 1. Jeff Behrnes 225 773-9671 cell N55XS Baby Blue Tri-gear 2. Steve & Bobbi Crimm 678-461-7957 Home N42AH (Tentative) Mono 3. Jeff Roberts 615-406-8651 Cell N128LJ Gold Rush Tri-Gear 4. Andrew Sarangan 937-830-1610 arriving in a Zodiac. 5. Troy & Donna Maynor 828-778-7702 cell. Driving in Wed.PM till Sat 6. Jim & Heather Butcher, 269-599-0122 cell 7. Chuck & Marilyn Rhoads 502-410-1357 Geo-Metro powered Tri-gear 8. Paul McAllister 262 993 4483 cell. N378PJ Mono 9. Bud Yerly Cell 813 244-8354 Driving in a 10. Gary Leinberger - flying in with Mooney Friday to Monday - 717-682-9726 11. Julie & Tim Miller - Driving 12. Ron Parigoris 631-839-3636 cell driving in Friday afternoon 13. Wayne Gutschow 631-796-6431 cell driving in Friday afternoon 14. Jim Puglise, Lynne Puglise, cell 941-875-5684 15. Scott & Corky Dingman N108EA, Cell 937-416-8080 16. John Lawton, flying in each day, N245E 17. Dave Miller, driving 18. Ken Carpenter 865 805 3520 cell N 9XS Mono If I have missed anyone please let me know - Paul ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:47:52 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: removal of nylon outrigger legs Niels those gear legs are not too difficult to bend. You could jack it out a few mm. then squeeze it back in th fiut the wheel with a block of wood where the tire touches to hold the gap at that point. You, being a medical engineer should be able to silence those unhappy piglets !?;-0 Graham Niels Kock wrote: > Remi. > It turns out that the tyre is in contact with the sides of the wheel > leg, emitting sgueals during taxy like a couple > of fighting piglets. > It is not only the pensive looks from stewardesses and other > impression-worthy groups connected to > aviation that bothers me, when I pass them by, squealing insanely, it is > also the palpable temperature of the > sides of the tyre after taxying to the hangar. > > Niels Kock ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:53:44 PM PST US From: "Steve Crimm" Subject: Europa-List: Mogas near Rough River Here is a list of airports within 180 of Rough River that sell Auto Gas according to airnav.com Mogas (auto) prices within 180 miles of 2I3 Airport / FBO Mogas $2.89-$3.85 average $3.38 _____ 70KY 29 ENE Vine Grove Airport Vine Grove, KY Vine Grove Airport $2.89 30-Sep-2006 update _____ KCUL 82 WNW Carmi Municipal Airport Carmi, IL Carmi Municipal Airport FS $3.15 19-Jun update _____ KCEY 106 WSW Kyle-Oakley Field Airport Murray, KY Kyle-Oakley Field (Murray-Calloway County) $3.85 06-Jul update _____ KGRE 154 WNW Greenville Airport Greenville, IL Greenville Airport Phillips 66 AS $3.74 25-Jul update _____ K96 155 NNW Tuscola Airport Tuscola, IL Tuscola Airport AS $3.55 05-Aug update _____ KAPT 159 SSE Marion County Airport-Brown Field Jasper, TN Marion County Airport FS $3.30 12-Jul update _____ KMNV 161 SE Monroe County Airport Madisonville, TN Tellico Air Services PS $3.75 22-Jul update _____ 7I2 162 NNE Reese Airport Muncie, IN Reese Flying Service FS $2.90 08-Jun update _____ 2K0 173 NNW Piatt County Airport Monticello, IL Monticello Aviation SS $3.15 06-Jul update _____ H88 180 W Fredericktown Regional Airport Fredericktown, MO Fredericktown Regional Airport PS $3.50 20-Jul update _____ ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:16:52 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: removal of nylon outrigger legs From: "europaman" I had the same problem getting the nylon out to get the forks painted. I put them in the freezer. The next day they fell out when I picked them up. Troy Maynor Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:06:06 PM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: FW: More help required.....Vac gauge problem Hi! Geoff and Ivor, Thanks for the " leg up". It all becomes more clear when you realise that one side takes incoming pressure and the other side takes the vacuum, but then having no letters on my gauge confounded me still further. Hopefully apart from Mod 74 and the PFA Flight test permit that will be all snagging done! I can say I now understand why Rotax drivers say 90% done and 95% still to do. I could have thrown the Jabiru in three times in the time I've been pratting about with this! However obviously I can't put this down to Rotax but inadequate labelling when dismantling and replacing pipes on my part. Thanks again. Bob H G-PTAG Robt.C.Harrison -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Leedham Sent: 08 August 2007 22:23 Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: More help required.....Vac gauge problem Bob, the other side of the gauge should be connected to the line going to the air filter. If the gauge reads when you suck on the pipe then I would thing that is the one to connect to the Vac side. On my gauge it is marked V and P. The v relates to vent or air filter line and P relates to the vac side. You are correct with the connections to the regulator (mine also has a single pipe with a "T". Geoff Leedham G_EOFS ----- Original Message ----- From: R.C.Harrison Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 8:01 PM Subject: Europa-List: FW: More help required.....Vac gauge problem ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.