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1. 01:25 AM - Re: Temps was First solo (Gilles Thesee)
2. 04:50 AM - Liferafts and Safety (Flying Farmer)
3. 05:59 AM - Lost Medical (Ken Stribling)
4. 08:10 AM - Broken Mag wire (JEFF ROBERTS)
5. 09:09 AM - Re: Re: First solo (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen)
6. 10:36 AM - Re: Broken Mag wire (Garry)
7. 10:43 AM - Re: Broken Mag wire (ALAN YERLY)
8. 11:32 AM - Europa Tri-gear 914 for sale (Geoff Leedham)
9. 12:09 PM - Re: Broken Mag wire (Jerry Rehn)
10. 12:11 PM - Fuel System (dvdpar@aol.com)
11. 03:20 PM - Re: Fuel System (Paul Stewart)
12. 03:31 PM - Re: Broken Mag wire (Jeff B)
13. 03:40 PM - Re: Broken Mag wire ()
14. 04:00 PM - Re: Fuel System (dvdpar@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Temps was First solo |
josok a crit :
> measure coolant, which Rotax decided to name CHT,
Hi Jos,
According to the Rotax mauals and website, the probes actually measure
the head metal temp :
http://contrails.free.fr/images/rotax/Temp%20probe.jpg
Of course this is no big deal, but I measured the actual coolant temps,
and they are a bit lower. This is to be expected since you need a
temperature difference for heat transfer to occur.
Best regards,
--
Gilles
http://contrails.free.fr
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| Subject: | Liferafts and Safety |
All, Dose anyone knows of anywhere I can hire survival equipment for a day trip
crossing from UK to Island. Our local club has nothing at all. We are in Halifax,
West Yorkshire. Thanx.
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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I am sorry to say but must sell Europa XS with 914 engine and finish kit
because of time and medical.
This is a tri gear Kit # A-282 bought in 2002 I started the tail feathers
but ran out of time after that.
I am asking 45000.00
I also have a 2000 RV-6 with 120 hours Subaru conversion Great shape always
hangared for 60000.00
I am on the west coast in Oregon.
For more info Call
Ken Stribling
1-541-947-2602 Day
Ken@striblingranch.com
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Hi Guys,
I just was about to go flying this morning to test a few changes I've
made as my bird has not been cooling in this heat well. As I did the
run-up the right mag didn't drop any RPM's but the right did as it
should. My temps started climbing again so I went right back to the
hanger. The engine didn't want to shut down so I had to starve it of
fuel. I pulled off the cowl right away and as I examined the mag
connections one of the wires just snapped off only about an inch from
the mag's side of the connection. The wire was very brittle and I'm
kind of surprised it's not of better quality. Has this happened to
anyone else and has anyone been able to fix it without ordering a new
mag itself?
Jeff R.
A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 85 hours and still having cooling issues.
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Jos,
Congratulations on getting your pride in the air, and safely back onto the
runway every time!
I, too, had significantly lower temps on the two front cylinders than on the
two rear ones, until I realized that the cause was mainly air cooling of the
front temperature sensors. I have the Grand Rapids EIS with ring type
thermocouples, too small to put under the spark plugs so I have put them
under bolts where the two Rotax VDO senders otherwise are fitted, plus under
bolts on the two other cylinders. I cured this problem by insulating the
thermocouples (on all 4 cylinders) by red, heat resistant silicone from
Locktite, smeared liberally on the exposed parts of the thermocouples after
fitting and on the bolt heads and immediate surroundings.
As an example, this morning's flight showed the following (912S, cooling
shroud, sealed):
- Outside air temp: 17 C
- CHT Cyl 1-2 (front): 62 - 69 C
- CHT Cyl 2-3 (rear): 73 - 76 C
I have also noticed that the four (2 x 2) front fitted spark plugs have
signs of running colder than the rear ones.
Since you have thermocouples under the spark plugs, which are recessed into
the cylinder heads and therefore more shielded from direct air cooling, your
situation (and possible cure, if due to same phenomenon as in my case) may
be different.
Last winter I installed the oil thermostat approved by Rotax, since my oil
temps where too low even when blanking off 50% of the cooler (need some area
open for the cockpit heat intake). Works very well, oil temp always abt. 95
C in cruise (i.e. above 100 C when returning to the oil tank, which is good
for water evaporation). Today, at top of climb of 2000 ft it reached 100 C
(highest CHT 109 C). I use 50/50 water/glycol.
Regards,
Svein
LN-SKJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "josok" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 9:32 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Re: First solo
>
> Thanks Raimo, and all the others who answered in email or forum.
>
> Yes, at least in our conditions the exceptional cooling system Pertti came
> up with, seems to work. Today i climbed at 100% power to 9500 feet, OAT -5
> and had 120 C on oil, don't have a coolant meter, the hottest CHT was
> around 130 C under the spark plug. Then on 55 % a long descent, lowest oil
> temp was 65 C. 0 % power will probably produce lower temps, but i forgot
> to try that for some reason :-) There is however an annoying difference,
> especially on climb out between the front 2 and rear cylinders. Today it
> showed 40 C difference. Number 3, above the turbo and air inlet is always
> the hottest. I suspect the naca scoop and the shroud over cyl 3 to work
> against each other. Maybe i have to close the gap around the air filter in
> the air filter chamber. Anybody to offer any insight before i try?
>
> Regards,
>
> Jos Okhuijsen
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Broken Mag wire |
Jeff, I've had the "mag" wires break at least 5 times in the 7 years /
500 hours I've been flying my 914. There is alot of vibration on the
ignition modules which I suppose causes the breaks. Although, the wire
insulation and the wires themselves seem to be of inferior quality.
I've spliced them together so many times, I'm down to a 1/4 inch stub
exiting the ignition module. The next break and I'll be out of luck and
will have to purchase a new module. Last time I checked they cost about
$700 each. Ouch! I have no suggestions on how to keep "junk" from
breaking. Good luck.........it happens to all 914's.
Garry Stout
----- Original Message -----
From: JEFF ROBERTS
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 11:08 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Broken Mag wire
Hi Guys,
I just was about to go flying this morning to test a few changes I've
made as my bird has not been cooling in this heat well. As I did the
run-up the right mag didn't drop any RPM's but the right did as it
should. My temps started climbing again so I went right back to the
hanger. The engine didn't want to shut down so I had to starve it of
fuel. I pulled off the cowl right away and as I examined the mag
connections one of the wires just snapped off only about an inch from
the mag's side of the connection. The wire was very brittle and I'm kind
of surprised it's not of better quality. Has this happened to anyone
else and has anyone been able to fix it without ordering a new mag
itself?
Jeff R.
A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 85 hours and still having cooling issues.
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| Subject: | Re: Broken Mag wire |
Jeff,
If the mag wire was not supported well at the crimp connector, due to
the crimping process and or soldering, and the continuous flexing of the
wire, it will fail due to fatique. If it failed between the connector
and the mag box, that is a new one to me. The ones I see are from the
mag wires installed by the owner going to the mag connector. Those are
cheap and easy connections to replace. The older engines and new
engines have different style connectors so be sure to get the right one.
If in fact it is a broken factory installed wire, send out pictures to
your Rotax dealer and request a product deficiency report. They have
pdf files on line and in the owners manual. If you can info everyone I
would appreciate that, as this should be corrected via an AD.
Bud Yerly
Custom Flight Creations
customflightcreations.com
----- Original Message -----
From: JEFF ROBERTS<mailto:jeff@rmmm.net>
To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 11:08 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Broken Mag wire
Hi Guys,
I just was about to go flying this morning to test a few changes I've
made as my bird has not been cooling in this heat well. As I did the
run-up the right mag didn't drop any RPM's but the right did as it
should. My temps started climbing again so I went right back to the
hanger. The engine didn't want to shut down so I had to starve it of
fuel. I pulled off the cowl right away and as I examined the mag
connections one of the wires just snapped off only about an inch from
the mag's side of the connection. The wire was very brittle and I'm kind
of surprised it's not of better quality. Has this happened to anyone
else and has anyone been able to fix it without ordering a new mag
itself?
Jeff R.
A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 85 hours and still having cooling issues.
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| Subject: | Europa Tri-gear 914 for sale |
My award winning Europa Tri-gear 914 is up for sale.
For details see http://www.afors.co.uk/
Geoff Leedham
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Hi Jeff
This happens due to all the vibrations and the wires fatiguing and finally
break. The best solution is to tie wrap as much as you can to limit the
wires from moving around. I think the newer wiring system is superior and
addressed this problem. I've had pretty good luck by keeping the wires tight
and inspect often to insure things are staying tight. Good luck.
Jerry
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JEFF ROBERTS
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 8:09 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Broken Mag wire
Hi Guys,
I just was about to go flying this morning to test a few changes I've made
as my bird has not been cooling in this heat well. As I did the run-up the
right mag didn't drop any RPM's but the right did as it should. My temps
started climbing again so I went right back to the hanger. The engine didn't
want to shut down so I had to starve it of fuel. I pulled off the cowl right
away and as I examined the mag connections one of the wires just snapped off
only about an inch from the mag's side of the connection. The wire was very
brittle and I'm kind of surprised it's not of better quality. Has this
happened to anyone else and has anyone been able to fix it without ordering
a new mag itself?
Jeff R.
A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 85 hours and still having cooling issues.
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I have installed my fuel system xx months ago in the belief that scrapping the
two Europa Filters in the cockpit and replacing them with a single?Andair Gascolator
under the rear baggage shelf together with the pump will be OK. The supply
is from the 'two tanks' to an Andair Selector taking one line to the Gascolator
then to the pump. I think other builders have done similar things.
I was wondering if there is a Official or?Club?MOD. for this type of system (Can
not find one)?or is it considered a Minor Mod.? that will be ok'd by the Inspector?
Dave Park?? Bld 371.? (90%?? Engine on the way)
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Dave
I have a fuel system partially as you describe which has a PFA
approval as a formal mod. It is a one off for G-GIDY - as far as I'm
aware there is no club mod. I doubt the PFA would consider anything
to do with the fuel system as anything other than a formal mod
application. There are some pictures on the owners forum. I would be
happy to show you the information I supplied to the PFA if it would
help.
While you would still need to apply to the PFA on their mod form,
approval of similar mods on other aircraft can be of help.
Regards
Paul
> I have installed my fuel system xx months ago in the belief that
> scrapping the two Europa Filters in the cockpit and replacing them
> with a single Andair Gascolator under the rear baggage shelf
> together with the pump will be OK. The supply is from the 'two
> tanks' to an Andair Selector taking one line to the Gascolator then
> to the pump. I think other builders have done similar things.
> I was wondering if there is a Official or Club MOD. for this type
> of system (Can not find one) or is it considered a Minor Mod.? that
> will be ok'd by the Inspector?
> Dave Park Bld 371. (90%?? Engine on the way)
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| Subject: | Re: Broken Mag wire |
Jeff,
Fix the wire with solder, if you can, then tie them down at several
places. Any reinforcement that you can add to the bundle will help...
Jeff - Baby Blue
308 hours
Garry wrote:
> Jeff, I've had the "mag" wires break at least 5 times in the 7 years
> / 500 hours I've been flying my 914. There is alot of vibration on
> the ignition modules which I suppose causes the breaks. Although, the
> wire insulation and the wires themselves seem to be of inferior
> quality. I've spliced them together so many times, I'm down to a 1/4
> inch stub exiting the ignition module. The next break and I'll be out
> of luck and will have to purchase a new module. Last time I checked
> they cost about $700 each. Ouch! I have no suggestions on how to
> keep "junk" from breaking. Good luck.........it happens to all 914's.
>
> Garry Stout
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* JEFF ROBERTS <mailto:jeff@rmmm.net>
> *To:* europa-list@matronics.com <mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 22, 2007 11:08 AM
> *Subject:* Europa-List: Broken Mag wire
>
> Hi Guys,
> I just was about to go flying this morning to test a few changes
> I've made as my bird has not been cooling in this heat well. As I
> did the run-up the right mag didn't drop any RPM's but the right
> did as it should. My temps started climbing again so I went right
> back to the hanger. The engine didn't want to shut down so I had
> to starve it of fuel. I pulled off the cowl right away and as I
> examined the mag connections one of the wires just snapped off
> only about an inch from the mag's side of the connection. The wire
> was very brittle and I'm kind of surprised it's not of better
> quality. Has this happened to anyone else and has anyone been able
> to fix it without ordering a new mag itself?
> Jeff R.
> A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 85 hours and still having cooling issues.
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List the Web
> http://forums.matronics.com ==========
>
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| Subject: | Re: Broken Mag wire |
"I have no suggestions on how to keep "junk" from breaking. Good
luck.........it happens to all 914's."
I have not yet viabrated the ignition modules on my 914 to see if I can
break the wires, but I am hoping the viabration dampening that Rotax
incorporated (I think is retrofittable to older engines) helps.
Ron P.
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Paul,
Thanks for that, Could you let me have your info.
dvdpar@aol.com
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
Sent: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11.19pm
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel System
Dave
I have a fuel system partially as you describe which has a PFA approval as a formal
mod. It is a one off for G-GIDY ?- as far as I'm aware there is no club mod.
I doubt the PFA would consider anything to do with the fuel system as anything
other than a formal mod application. There are some pictures on the owners
forum. I would be happy to show you the information I supplied to the PFA if
it would help.
While you would still need to apply to the PFA on their mod form, approval of similar
mods on other aircraft can be of help.
Regards
Paul
I have installed my fuel system xx months ago in the belief that scrapping the
two Europa Filters in the cockpit and replacing them with a single?Andair Gascolator
under the rear baggage shelf together with the pump will be OK. The supply
is from the 'two tanks' to an Andair Selector taking one line to the Gascolator
then to the pump. I think other builders have done similar things.
I was wondering if there is a Official or?Club?MOD. for this type of system (Can
not find one)?or is it considered a Minor Mod.? that will be ok'd by the Inspector?
Dave Park?? Bld 371.? (90%?? Engine on the way)
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