---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 08/24/07: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:04 AM - Re: Fuel System (karelvranken) 2. 12:34 AM - Re: Fuel System (JohnDHeykoop@aol.com) 3. 01:03 AM - Another test message (Richard Lamprey) 4. 02:34 AM - Re: Trim Tab drive pins (Jeremy Davey) 5. 03:38 AM - Re: Trim Tab drive pins (Kingsley Hurst) 6. 04:15 AM - Re: Trim Tab drive pins (Jeremy Davey) 7. 06:55 AM - Re: Stade Fly-In Sept. 1-2 (N.T. Groot) 8. 10:43 AM - Something to do next weekend (Raimo Toivio) 9. 10:54 AM - Re: Another test message (Brian Davies) 10. 01:09 PM - Last of the Summer Wine (bryan allsop) 11. 01:28 PM - () 12. 02:24 PM - Re: Last of the Summer Wine (Brian Hutchinson) 13. 02:43 PM - Re: Last of the Summer Wine (Brian Hutchinson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:04:34 AM PST US From: "karelvranken" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel System Paul, If not asked to much, you may send it also to me: karelvranken@hotmail.com I have nearly the same configuration for my fuel system. Thank you. Karel. ----- Original Message ----- From: dvdpar@aol.com To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 12:59 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel System Paul, Thanks for that, Could you let me have your info. dvdpar@aol.com Dave -----Original Message----- From: Paul Stewart To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11.19pm Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel System Dave I have a fuel system partially as you describe which has a PFA approval as a formal mod. It is a one off for G-GIDY - as far as I'm aware there is no club mod. I doubt the PFA would consider anything to do with the fuel system as anything other than a formal mod application. There are some pictures on the owners forum. I would be happy to show you the information I supplied to the PFA if it would help. While you would still need to apply to the PFA on their mod form, approval of similar mods on other aircraft can be of help. Regards Paul I have installed my fuel system xx months ago in the belief that scrapping the two Europa Filters in the cockpit and replacing them with a single Andair Gascolator under the rear baggage shelf together with the pump will be OK. The supply is from the 'two tanks' to an Andair Selector taking one line to the Gascolator then to the pump. I think other builders have done similar things. I was wondering if there is a Official or Club MOD. for this type of system (Can not find one) or is it considered a Minor Mod.? that will be ok'd by the Inspector? Dave Park Bld 371. (90%?? Engine on the way) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Get a FREE AOL Email account with 2GB of storage. Plus, share and store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from your favourite artists. Click Here for more information. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron ics.com/Navigator?Europa-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:34:49 AM PST US From: JohnDHeykoop@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel System Paul Also a copy to me please: _johndheykoop@aol.com_ (mailto:johndheykoop@aol.com) I have the same fuel system. Many thanks John Heykoop In a message dated 24/08/2007 08:05:33 GMT Standard Time, karelvranken@hotmail.com writes: Paul, If not asked to much, you may send it also to me: _karelvranken@hotmail.com_ (mailto:karelvranken@hotmail.com) I have nearly the same configuration for my fuel system. Thank you. Karel. ----- Original Message ----- From: _dvdpar@aol.com_ (mailto:dvdpar@aol.com) Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 12:59 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel System Paul, Thanks for that, Could you let me have your info. _dvdpar@aol.com_ (mailto:dvdpar@aol.com) Dave -----Original Message----- From: Paul Stewart <_europa@pstewart.f2s.com_ (mailto:europa@pstewart.f2s.com) > Sent: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11.19pm Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel System Dave I have a fuel system partially as you describe which has a PFA approval as a formal mod. It is a one off for G-GIDY - as far as I'm aware there is no club mod. I doubt the PFA would consider anything to do with the fuel system as anything other than a formal mod application. There are some pictures on the owners forum. I would be happy to show you the information I supplied to the PFA if it would help. While you would still need to apply to the PFA on their mod form, approval of similar mods on other aircraft can be of help. Regards Paul I have installed my fuel system xx months ago in the belief that scrapping the two Europa Filters in the cockpit and replacing them with a single Andair Gascolator under the rear baggage shelf together with the pump will be OK. The supply is from the 'two tanks' to an Andair Selector taking one line to the Gascolator then to the pump. I think other builders have done similar things. I was wondering if there is a Official or Club MOD. for this type of system (Can not find one) or is it considered a Minor Mod.? that will be ok'd by the Inspector? Dave Park Bld 371. (90%?? Engine on the way) ____________________________________ Get a FREE AOL Email account with 2GB of storage. Plus, share and store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from your favourite artists. _Click Here_ (http://info.aol.co.uk/joinnow/?ncid=548) for more information. href="_http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List_ (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List) ">_http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List_ (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List) href="_http://forums.matronics.com_ (http://forums.matronics.com/) ">_http://forums.matronics.com_ (http://forums.matronics.com/) href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:03:46 AM PST US From: "Richard Lamprey" Subject: Europa-List: Another test message Another test, this message from East Africa Richard ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:34:27 AM PST US From: "Jeremy Davey" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trim Tab drive pins Kingsley, Not a mod - a requirement in the build manual! :-) I went a step further on mine and implemented a single piece of ply with an elongated hole - that way it sets the skin separation and holds it. Kind regards, Jeremy From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kingsley Hurst Sent: 24 August 2007 05:34 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trim Tab drive pins Creighton Do you have a couple of pieces of plywood (or similar) inside the rear of the fuse just ahead of the "T" bar slot to limit the sideways movement of the "T" bar on assembly and disassembly of the tailplanes ? The two guides should have minimum gap between them but still be wide enough to allow full and free movement of the 'T' bar throughout full deflection of the tailplanes. I don't remember this ever being a mod but was certainly a recommended suggestion. I'm sure it will save your having to employ a second person as you suggested below. Regards Kingsley in Oz. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Creighton Smith Sent: Friday, 24 August 2007 1:13 AM Subject: Europa-List: Trim Tab drive pins Good morning all, We installed the larger/stronger mod of the TP16P & TP16S drive pins (which doesn't seem to be listed in the current mods list) per instructions and with just a few on/off cycles of the horizontal stabilizers, each has cracked where the 3 layers bid wrap 90deg around the front. This appears to be a result of the TS05 link rod cocking upon removal and jamming the drive pins in the TS06 bushes (which are a lovely fit) which results in a racking load jamming the drive pins. Obviously we have to do this again (irritating as the originals exhibited no such symptoms), but I must know if anyone else has experienced this, and what the solution might be. Stationing a second person at the tail to ensure the link rod does not deviate from perpendicular to the drive pins while the tailplanes are being pulled is obvious but a bit labor intensive. Regards, Creighton Smith A036 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:38:33 AM PST US From: "Kingsley Hurst" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trim Tab drive pins MessageJeremy, > Not a mod - a requirement in the build manual! :-) It may be a requirement in the later build manuals but I'm sure it is not in my Classic manual. I think I remember seeing it mentioned in some Tech Talk article yonks ago. Irrespective, it seems Creighton may not have it installed which is the crux of the point I was trying to make. Regards Kingsley do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:15:03 AM PST US From: "Jeremy Davey" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trim Tab drive pins Ahhhh... Good point! Cheers, Jeremy From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kingsley Hurst Sent: 24 August 2007 11:37 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trim Tab drive pins Jeremy, > Not a mod - a requirement in the build manual! :-) It may be a requirement in the later build manuals but I'm sure it is not in my Classic manual. I think I remember seeing it mentioned in some Tech Talk article yonks ago. Irrespective, it seems Creighton may not have it installed which is the crux of the point I was trying to make. Regards Kingsley do not archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:55:12 AM PST US From: "N.T. Groot" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Stade Fly-In Sept. 1-2 Dear Erich, We will come at Stade airfield on Saturday 1 September with my Europa (322) Please can you arrange for me in the hotel nearby a room with two single beds for the night Saturday With regards, Nico Groot -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] Namens Europa91 Verzonden: zaterdag 14 juli 2007 12:49 Aan: europa-list@matronics.com Onderwerp: Europa-List: Stade Fly-In Sept. 1-2 The Europa Fly-In in Stade (EDHS, near Hamburg) this year will take place Saturday to Sunday, September 1 to 2. Together with the local flying club Luftsportverein Guenther Grnhoff we would be glad to meet as many Europa flyers and friends as possible to come. We will have dinner on Saturday evening in nearby Agathenburg as usual. Accomodation can also be provided upon request. Please inform us on participation per email (see below) so we can make adequate provisions. Erich Gabbe, Kit no 91, still building Europa91@gmx.de Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123750#123750 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:43:54 AM PST US From: "Raimo Toivio" Subject: Europa-List: Something to do next weekend Hi All Dear Europa Lovers! One real pro - Mr. Mikko Maliniemi - took some advanced Europa OH-XRT pictures. He promised me to share those pics to you. Be my guest and click (if you haven=B4t anything better to do) http://mmniemi.aviation.fi/jami_07/europa/ to see them. I wish you enjoy them! Note: you are of course allowed to save them or what so ever but if you are going to publish them, please ask direct him mmniemi@dlc.fi to get a permission to do so. I have also some extraordinary A2A pics. Would you like to see them also? Best Regards, Raimo =============== some Europa aerobatics next week Raimo M W Toivio RWM-SYSTEMS 37500 LEMP=C4=C4L=C4 Puh 03 3753 777 Fax 03 3753 100 Gsm 040 590 1450 raimo.toivio@rwm.fi www.rwm.fi ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:54:14 AM PST US From: "Brian Davies" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Another test message Hi Richard, Good to hear you are alive and well in deepest East Africa. Brian Davies (ex Kenya Airways) Do not archive _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Lamprey Sent: 24 August 2007 09:00 Subject: Europa-List: Another test message Another test, this message from East Africa Richard "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List"http://www.matronics.com/Nav igator?Europa-List 16:04 16:04 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:09:38 PM PST US From: bryan allsop Subject: Europa-List: Last of the Summer Wine Hi Folks, We now have half a dozen aircraft intending to participate in thi s trip. There is room for a couple more. You will be reassured to learn tha t the 10 hour tail plane check will present no problems. The PFA have given me temporary Tail Plane Inspector status for the trip, and we have a PFA i nspector with us as well. It is worth coming along for the free checkouts, if nothing else. We have had a couple of good suggestions for places to go, and we are all set for the 13th. September. Please contact me by e-mail if you are intending to come along. Bryan Allsop _________________________________________________________________ Discover the new Windows Vista E ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:28:28 PM PST US ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:24:50 PM PST US From: "Brian Hutchinson" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Last of the Summer Wine Hi Bryan It's a sad fact of life. nothing happens for months and then it all happens at once. I'd very much love to be taking you up on your kind offer of a seat in Sadie, but I've promised to take Jane to the N.York Moors that week to celebrate her half-century birthday. What a bummer. There are times when being completely independent has its advantages. you can be greedy and do everything you want! Sadly on this occasion it's not the case. I hope you have a great trip. I'll be thinking of you as we walk round the gardens in Harrogate!!!!! Brian H _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bryan allsop Sent: 24 August 2007 21:08 Subject: Europa-List: Last of the Summer Wine Hi Folks, We now have half a dozen aircraft intending to participate in this trip. There is room for a couple more. You will be reassured to learn that the 10 hour tail plane check will present no problems. The PFA have given me temporary Tail Plane Inspector status for the trip, and we have a PFA inspector with us as well. It is worth coming along for the free checkouts, if nothing else. We have had a couple of good suggestions for places to go, and we are all set for the 13th. September. Please contact me by e-mail if you are intending to come along. Bryan Allsop _____ Discover the new Wa&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE' target='_new'>Learn more! ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:43:35 PM PST US From: "Brian Hutchinson" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Last of the Summer Wine Apologies everyone. I'd clicked "send" a microsecond too quick. This wasn't meant for the Forum!! Brian Hutchinson _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Hutchinson Sent: 24 August 2007 22:24 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Last of the Summer Wine Hi Bryan It's a sad fact of life. nothing happens for months and then it all happens at once. I'd very much love to be taking you up on your kind offer of a seat in Sadie, but I've promised to take Jane to the N.York Moors that week to celebrate her half-century birthday. What a bummer. There are times when being completely independent has its advantages. you can be greedy and do everything you want! Sadly on this occasion it's not the case. I hope you have a great trip. I'll be thinking of you as we walk round the gardens in Harrogate!!!!! Brian H _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bryan allsop Sent: 24 August 2007 21:08 Subject: Europa-List: Last of the Summer Wine Hi Folks, We now have half a dozen aircraft intending to participate in this trip. There is room for a couple more. You will be reassured to learn that the 10 hour tail plane check will present no problems. The PFA have given me temporary Tail Plane Inspector status for the trip, and we have a PFA inspector with us as well. It is worth coming along for the free checkouts, if nothing else. We have had a couple of good suggestions for places to go, and we are all set for the 13th. September. Please contact me by e-mail if you are intending to come along. 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