---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 08/29/07: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:10 AM - Re: XS Wing Query (steve v) 2. 04:59 AM - Re: XS Wing Query (JEFF ROBERTS) 3. 09:24 AM - Re: XS Wing Query (DuaneFamly@aol.com) 4. 09:59 AM - Re: XS Wing Query (Gary Leinberger) 5. 11:24 AM - Re: XS Wing Query (Simon Smith) 6. 11:38 AM - Re: Broken Mag wire (Graham Singleton) 7. 11:47 AM - Re: XS Wing Query (Gary Leinberger) 8. 12:47 PM - G-PTAG gets it up again ! Special note to most about pitot snap connectors and perrished "o" rings too. (R.C.Harrison) 9. 01:21 PM - Was Re: Broken Mag wire ....Now Beer rants! (R.C.Harrison) 10. 03:12 PM - Re: XS Wing Query (Fred Klein) 11. 05:07 PM - Re: G-PTAG gets it up again ! (Kingsley Hurst) 12. 05:14 PM - Re: Was Re: Broken Mag wire ....Now Beer rants! (Graham Singleton) 13. 05:18 PM - Re: XS Wing Query (Graham Singleton) 14. 05:29 PM - Re: Broken Mag wire (Kingsley Hurst) 15. 05:33 PM - Re: Was Re: Broken Mag wire ....Now Beer rants! (Kingsley Hurst) 16. 05:44 PM - Re: XS Wing Query (JEFF ROBERTS) 17. 06:46 PM - Re: XS Wing Query (Fred Klein) 18. 07:47 PM - Re: XS Wing Query (JEFF ROBERTS) 19. 10:41 PM - Re: XS Wing Query (Steve Pitt) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:10:55 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: XS Wing Query From: "steve v " Well thats exactly how i get in - by sitting on the leading edge and swinging in, untill i took a 16 stone passenger down the the scilly isles last monday and noticed the section between the leading edge and the spar flexing conciderably with his weight on there, thanks bill and sue - looks like ill stick to the way its meant to be. steve vestuti G-CEBV #573 Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:59:51 AM PST US From: JEFF ROBERTS Subject: Re: Europa-List: XS Wing Query Is there another way to get in? I always sit on the wing and throw my feet in. Jeff R. A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 84 hours and climbing slowly. On Aug 29, 2007, at 3:09 AM, steve v wrote: > > Well thats exactly how i get in - by sitting on the leading edge and > swinging in, untill i took a 16 stone passenger down the the scilly > isles last monday and noticed the section between the leading edge and > the spar flexing conciderably with his weight on there, > thanks bill and sue - looks like ill stick to the way its meant to be. > > steve vestuti G-CEBV #573 > > > Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:24:12 AM PST US From: DuaneFamly@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: XS Wing Query In a message dated 8/29/2007 1:17:08 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, s.vestuti@virgin.net writes: a 16 stone passenger For the rest of the world.....that's about 225 lbs or a little over 100 kilos. Do Not Archive Mike Duane A207A Redding, California XS Conventional Gear Jabiru 3300 Sensenich R64Z N Ground Adjustable Prop http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:59:16 AM PST US Subject: RE: Europa-List: XS Wing Query From: "Gary Leinberger" You mean a proper sized person? Gary Leinberger ________________________________ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DuaneFamly@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 12:22 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: XS Wing Query In a message dated 8/29/2007 1:17:08 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, s.vestuti@virgin.net writes: a 16 stone passenger For the rest of the world.....that's about 225 lbs or a little over 100 kilos. Do Not Archive Mike Duane A207A Redding, California XS Conventional Gear Jabiru 3300 Sensenich R64Z N Ground Adjustable Prop ________________________________ .. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:24:24 AM PST US From: "Simon Smith" Subject: RE: Europa-List: XS Wing Query It might be "standard" for the left side of the pond but on this side it would qualify as a "fat Bast/*d" by 40lbs+! Simon _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Leinberger Sent: 29 August 2007 17:58 Subject: RE: Europa-List: XS Wing Query You mean a proper sized person? Gary Leinberger _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DuaneFamly@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 12:22 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: XS Wing Query In a message dated 8/29/2007 1:17:08 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, s.vestuti@virgin.net writes: a 16 stone passenger For the rest of the world.....that's about 225 lbs or a little over 100 kilos. Do Not Archive Mike Duane A207A Redding, California XS Conventional Gear Jabiru 3300 Sensenich R64Z N Ground Adjustable Prop _____ title=http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour/?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000982 href="http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour/?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000982" target=_blank>AOL.com. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:38:25 AM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Broken Mag wire Kingsley ole mate that's a matter of a pinion or two! btw four ex- what? Graham Kingsley Hurst wrote: > Staffordshire > beer. (just about equal to Slovakian beer, the real Budweiser! ) > Graham > > It's got nothing on our XXXX (pronounced Fourex) Graham, XXXX will make > a sparrow fight an Emu ! ! > > Cheers > Kingsley ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:47:42 AM PST US Subject: RE: Europa-List: XS Wing Query From: "Gary Leinberger" We refer to it as manly - which I realize on your side of the pond is characterized by Field Marshall Bernard Montgomery - we like Rambo - at least there is more action. gl (Tongue firmly in cheek) ________________________________ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Simon Smith Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:22 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: XS Wing Query It might be "standard" for the left side of the pond but on this side it would qualify as a "fat Bast/*d" by 40lbs+! Simon ________________________________ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Leinberger Sent: 29 August 2007 17:58 Subject: RE: Europa-List: XS Wing Query You mean a proper sized person? Gary Leinberger ________________________________ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DuaneFamly@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 12:22 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: XS Wing Query In a message dated 8/29/2007 1:17:08 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, s.vestuti@virgin.net writes: a 16 stone passenger For the rest of the world.....that's about 225 lbs or a little over 100 kilos. Do Not Archive Mike Duane A207A Redding, California XS Conventional Gear Jabiru 3300 Sensenich R64Z N Ground Adjustable Prop ________________________________ title=http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour/?ncid=AOLAOF00020000 000 982 href="http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour/?ncid=AOLAOF00020000 000 982" target=_blank>AOL.com. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron h ref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:47:32 PM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: Europa-List: G-PTAG gets it up again ! Special note to most about pitot snap connectors and perrished "o" rings too. Hi! All, Pleased to report that after 18 months grounded "Me and my bird got it up" today. First landing was a little rusty especially since I hadn't thought to do a stall test to prove the ASI was good so landed a little fast, second was fair but the nose came off as a secondary lift was caught in time. Quite a learning curve knowing where the power is, compared with the noise of the Jabiru Six etc. but I expect I'll get used to it! Thrilled to find the temperatures are all good .especially with the massive changes to the front of the cowl and the barrel hood fitted. Just a note to other Europa operators:- My ASI problem was partly due to a disturbed pitot pipe connection, but also importantly to note that the "o" rings on the pitot pipe connectors at the wing fitment were badly perished, only really identifiable by removing them but not without a replacement to hand! The size of the "o" rings for 1/8" connectors is :- 3/16" ID 5/16"OD making a sectional diameter of 1/16" for the rubber. There will be a dozen or so in the "assortment " box held by any hydraulics or pneumatics outfit. Suggest the club gets a supply provisioned. IMHO an annual inspection should remove these rings and put them under a magnifying glass considering how important the instrument is to safe landing. Mine must be 10 years old with the kit being collected in 1997 plus however long on Europa's shelf! Smile is beginning to break out ..! Regards Bob H G-PTAG Robt.C.Harrison ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:21:19 PM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: Was RE: Europa-List: Broken Mag wire ....Now Beer rants! Hi! Graham, Bet Kingsley would be legless on two halves of my "Scottish Crofters Home Brewed Barley Ale" anyway, I was always told to give my best friend two and my worst enemy three ! Bob h Do not archive. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham Singleton Sent: 29 August 2007 19:35 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:12:53 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: XS Wing Query From: Fred Klein On Wednesday, August 29, 2007, at 04:58 AM, JEFF ROBERTS wrote: > I always sit on the wing and throw my feet in. What happens next Jeff? Fred -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:07:14 PM PST US From: "Kingsley Hurst" Subject: RE: Europa-List: G-PTAG gets it up again ! Hey Bob ! How long did you stay up ? You are not a glider pilot like I am are you ? we stay up longer ! Great to know it is a goer again Bob. Good on ya mate ! Best regards Kingsley do not archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:14:36 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Was RE: Europa-List: Broken Mag wire ....Now Beer rants! Bob! glad to hear you're flying again, fly far and safe. I don't believe these Ozmericans know much about quality booze, Kingsley admitted to enjoying Staffordshire beer when he was here, was he just being diplomatic? Wonder why he has to recommend 4X? when Pedigree is around? G R.C.Harrison wrote: > > Hi! Graham, > Bet Kingsley would be legless on two halves of my "Scottish Crofters > Home Brewed Barley Ale" anyway, I was always told to give my best friend > two and my worst enemy three ! > Bob h > Do not archive. > > -- Graham Singleton Tel: +441629820187 Mob: +447739582005 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:18:44 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: XS Wing Query He has to lift his body in! That's the way I did it when Thomas Scherer took me flying a few weeks after my big mistake. (not accepting a controlled crash) I had lost 35lbs from a fitish 170 lbs so there wasn't too much to lift. Fred Klein wrote: > > > On Wednesday, August 29, 2007, at 04:58 AM, JEFF ROBERTS wrote: > >> I always sit on the wing and throw my feet in. > > > What happens next Jeff? > > Fred > > -- Graham Singleton Tel: +441629820187 Mob: +447739582005 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:29:41 PM PST US From: "Kingsley Hurst" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Broken Mag wire > Kingsley ole mate that's a matter of a pinion or two! btw four ex- what? Bitter ale mate, bitter ale. I'll introduce it to you when you come over next time. Cheers K Do not archive ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:33:41 PM PST US From: "Kingsley Hurst" Subject: RE: Was RE: Europa-List: Broken Mag wire ....Now Beer rants! > Bet Kingsley would be legless on two halves of my "Scottish Crofters Home Brewed Barley Ale" anyway, You had your chance a couple of months ago Bob. Probably would have gone down well with that Bar-b-que and who knows? I might have been able to do a corroboree for you instead of throwing the boomerang ! Cheers K Do not archive ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:44:10 PM PST US From: JEFF ROBERTS Subject: Re: Europa-List: XS Wing Query That depends on my wife's mood ;0 Do not archive this... Please Jeff On Aug 29, 2007, at 5:11 PM, Fred Klein wrote: > > > On Wednesday, August 29, 2007, at 04:58 AM, JEFF ROBERTS wrote: > >> I always sit on the wing and throw my feet in. > > What happens next Jeff? > > Fred > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > Jeff Eagleville Marketing Group / EMG 488 Beasley RD. Eagleville TN 37060 615-355-7575 Office 615-406-8651 Cell 615-534-1082 Fax ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:46:52 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: XS Wing Query From: Fred Klein Jeff, I appreciate your sense of humor...but, my question was a serious one. With the trigear, do you still end up sitting on top of the head rest while entering/exiting, or are other gymnastics involved? Fred >> >>> I always sit on the wing and throw my feet in. >> >> What happens next Jeff? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:47:46 PM PST US From: JEFF ROBERTS Subject: Re: Europa-List: XS Wing Query Sorry Fred, I couldn't resist the fun. Yes I sit on the headrest and slid in. When I saw this thread I wondered if someone had a better way but I'm following the lead of most tri-flyers. Sit on the wing, lift the but to the headrest then slid in. If there is a better way I'm all ears. Best Regards, Jeff R. A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 90 hours and climbing slowly. On Aug 29, 2007, at 8:43 PM, Fred Klein wrote: > > Jeff, > > I appreciate your sense of humor...but, my question was a serious one. > With the trigear, do you still end up sitting on top of the head rest > while entering/exiting, or are other gymnastics involved? > > Fred > >>> >>>> I always sit on the wing and throw my feet in. >>> >>> What happens next Jeff? > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:41:32 PM PST US From: "Steve Pitt" Subject: Re: Europa-List: XS Wing Query I concur with Jeff's method of entering the tri gear. To get out I do find that gravity is a great help in that once sitting on the headrest, by flicking feet outside it is then possible to slide off the front edge of the wing but normally with one hand placed about 1 to 2 feet out board on the wing about mid spar. This avoids standing on the wing at any time. It certainly was essential to reinforce the bottom of the door cill as I use that to lift myself in and out at times during the process. 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