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1. 12:09 AM - Re: G-PTAG gets it up again ! (R.C.Harrison)
2. 03:15 AM - Re: G-PTAG gets it up again ! (trevpond@aol.com)
3. 03:25 AM - Re: G-PTAG gets it up again ! (Gilles Thesee)
4. 05:56 AM - Re: G-PTAG gets it up again ! (josok)
5. 07:45 AM - Rough River Fly In Regrets. (ALAN YERLY)
6. 12:20 PM - Re: Re: Attending Rough River Fly-in... (Andrew Sarangan)
7. 12:25 PM - Re: XS Wing Query (Jeff B)
8. 12:26 PM - Re: G-PTAG gets it up again ! Special note to most about pitot snap connectors and perrished "o" rings too. (Jeff B)
9. 01:13 PM - Re: Broken Mag wire (Jeremy Davey)
10. 01:44 PM - Re: G-PTAG gets it up again ! (R.C.Harrison)
11. 01:59 PM - Re: G-PTAG gets it up again ! (Gilles Thesee)
12. 02:01 PM - Mod 74. (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
13. 02:51 PM - Re: Mod 74. (Laptop JR)
14. 03:36 PM - Rough River Fly-in Events (Paul McAllister)
15. 04:45 PM - (no subject) (Graham Singleton)
16. 05:31 PM - Re: Mod 74. (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
17. 06:06 PM - Re: Rough River Fly-in Events (jimpuglise@comcast.net)
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| Subject: | G-PTAG gets it up again ! |
Ivan did 35 minutes on the first shakedown, I did 30 + 10 yesterday and
hope to do 2 hour endurance today.
Haven't made any brew lately otherwise you would have been expected..
Regards
Bob H
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Robt.C.Harrison
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kingsley
Hurst
Sent: 30 August 2007 01:09
Subject: RE: Europa-List: G-PTAG gets it up again !
Hey Bob ! How long did you stay up ?
You are not a glider pilot like I am are you ? we stay up longer !
Great to know it is a goer again Bob. Good on ya mate !
Best regards
Kingsley
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| Subject: | Re: G-PTAG gets it up again ! |
Well done Bob - what's it feel like to fly with the correct engine?
Trev
G-LINN
-----Original Message-----
From: R.C.Harrison <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Sent: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 9:08 am
Subject: RE: Europa-List: G-PTAG gets it up again !
Ivan did 35 minutes on the first shakedown, I did 30 + 10 yesterday and hope
to do 2 hour endurance today.
Haven=99t made any brew lately otherwise you would have been expected
.
Regards
Bob H
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Sent: 30 August 2007 01:09
Subject: RE: Europa-List: G-PTAG gets it up again !
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Hey Bob !=C2- How long did you stay=C2-up ?
=C2-
You are not a glider pilot like I am are you ?=C2- we stay up longer !
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Great to know it is a goer again Bob.=C2- Good on ya mate !
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Best regards
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| Subject: | Re: G-PTAG gets it up again ! |
R.C.Harrison a crit :
>
> Hi! All,
>
> Pleased to report that after 18 months grounded Me and my bird got it
> up today. First landing was a little rusty especially since I hadnt
> thought to do a stall test to prove the ASI was good so landed a
> little fast, second was fair but the nose came off as a secondary lift
> was caught in time.
>
> Quite a learning curve knowing where the power is, compared with the
> noise of the Jabiru Six etc. but I expect Ill get used to it!
> Thrilled to find the temperatures are all good especially with the
> massive changes to the front of the cowl and the barrel hood fitted.
>
Congratulations, Bob
Hope you will come out with comparison data between the two engines.
Best regards,
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| Subject: | Re: G-PTAG gets it up again ! |
Good to hear Bob,
And we are all waiting to hear the rest of the verdict of course!
Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
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| Subject: | Rough River Fly In Regrets. |
To all of you attending the Rough River Fly-In,
Sorry to have to drop out of the Rough River Fly In. I have contracted
some upper respiratory virus which has affected my inner ear and goofed
up my equilibrium, grounding me and the constant vertigo has been a
problem even driving. Doc says it will clear up in a week, so just live
with it.
I'm a dirt bag...I really needed a vacation too. That's what I get for
cleaning up the shop and stirring up the dust.
Bud Yerly
Custom Flight Creations
Your US Europa Agent.
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| Subject: | Re: Attending Rough River Fly-in... |
Are there any planned events or schedule for this fly-in? With so many
people coming, it might not be a bad idea to setup some activities.
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| Subject: | Re: XS Wing Query |
Fred,
I slide over the leading edge with my butt, then swing my feet in and
push myself up and over the door sill and lower myself into the seat.
Not necessary to sit on the headrest, if you don't want to. My 83 year
old dad has no trouble doing it...
Jeff - Baby Blue
310 hrs and Rough River bound, tomorrow...
Fred Klein wrote:
>
> Jeff,
>
> I appreciate your sense of humor...but, my question was a serious one.
> With the trigear, do you still end up sitting on top of the head rest
> while entering/exiting, or are other gymnastics involved?
>
> Fred
>
>>>
>>>> I always sit on the wing and throw my feet in.
>>>
>>> What happens next Jeff?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: G-PTAG gets it up again ! Special note to most about |
pitot snap connectors and perrished "o" rings too.
Good on ya, Bob. Good to see you back in the air...
Jeff - Baby Blue
310 hours
R.C.Harrison wrote:
>
> Hi! All,
>
> Pleased to report that after 18 months grounded "Me and my bird got it
> up" today. First landing was a little rusty especially since I hadn't
> thought to do a stall test to prove the ASI was good so landed a
> little fast, second was fair but the nose came off as a secondary lift
> was caught in time.
>
> Quite a learning curve knowing where the power is, compared with the
> noise of the Jabiru Six etc. but I expect I'll get used to it!
> Thrilled to find the temperatures are all good ...especially with the
> massive changes to the front of the cowl and the barrel hood fitted.
>
>
>
> Just a note to other Europa operators:-
>
> My ASI problem was partly due to a disturbed pitot pipe connection,
> but also importantly to note that the "o" rings on the pitot pipe
> connectors at the wing fitment were badly perished, only really
> identifiable by removing them but not without a replacement to hand!
>
> The size of the "o" rings for 1/8" connectors is :- 3/16" ID
> 5/16"OD making a sectional diameter of 1/16" for the rubber. There
> will be a dozen or so in the "assortment " box held by any hydraulics
> or pneumatics outfit. Suggest the club gets a supply provisioned. IMHO
> an annual inspection should remove these rings and put them under a
> magnifying glass considering how important the instrument is to safe
> landing. Mine must be 10 years old with the kit being collected in
> 1997 plus however long on Europa's shelf!
>
>
>
> Smile is beginning to break out ......!
>
> Regards
>
> Bob H G-PTAG
>
>
>
> Robt.C.Harrison
>
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
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As a card-carrying member of CAMRA for over 20 years, I have to ask: "What
on earth is bitter ale?????" It's either ale, or it's bitter. If it's
yellow, pasteurised and fizzy, it's p**s (which may alternatively be spelled
"xxxx").
Of course, I would hate to imply that Kingsley hasn't a clue about beer...
Graham, don't forget that there are only three great beer-making nations in
this world: Britain, Belgium and the Czech Republic. Budvar are in the
latter, not Slovakia. Germany, Oz and the USA don't come close and I'd be
happy to assist any dissenters by furthering their education as to why :-)
Regards,
JD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kingsley Hurst
Sent: 30 August 2007 01:33
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Broken Mag wire
> Kingsley ole mate
that's a matter of a pinion or two! btw four ex- what?
Bitter ale mate, bitter ale.
I'll introduce it to you when you come over next time.
Cheers
K
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| Subject: | G-PTAG gets it up again ! |
Quite strange!
At least with the Jabiru when applying power you got a growl ! I guess
the Rotax just gets a slighter higher scream!
BTW I fancy doing a barrel roll , couldn't put it into words could you ?
Don't wish to spend time at an aerobatic school for the one manoeuvre !
Regards
Bob H
Robt.C.Harrison
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
trevpond@aol.com
Sent: 30 August 2007 11:14
Subject: Re: Europa-List: G-PTAG gets it up again !
Well done Bob - what's it feel like to fly with the correct engine?
Trev
G-LINN
-----Original Message-----
From: R.C.Harrison <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Sent: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 9:08 am
Subject: RE: Europa-List: G-PTAG gets it up again !
Ivan did 35 minutes on the first shakedown, I did 30 + 10 yesterday and
hope to do 2 hour endurance today.
Haven't made any brew lately otherwise you would have been expected..
Regards
Bob H
Do not archive.
Robt.C.Harrison
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<mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com?> ] On Behalf Of Kingsley
Hurst
Sent: 30 August 2007 01:09
Subject: RE: Europa-List: G-PTAG gets it up again !
Hey Bob ! How long did you stay up ?
You are not a glider pilot like I am are you ? we stay up longer !
Great to know it is a goer again Bob. Good on ya mate !
Best regards
Kingsley
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| Subject: | Re: G-PTAG gets it up again ! |
R.C.Harrison a crit :
>
> BTW I fancy doing a barrel roll , couldnt put it into words could you
> ? Dont wish to spend time at an aerobatic school for the one manoeuvre !
>
Bob,
Please, please, at least take some knowledgeable aerobatics pilot with you.
This one manoeuvre is so easy when you know how to do it, and can kill
you if things go awry...
Aerobatics newbies, be it old or young pilots, invariably fail to
adequately raise the nose when doing this manoeuvre. Some stop the roll
when inverted, some can't refrain from pulling when inverted (the last
thing to do).
If the airplane is sleek, things can go out of hand much quicker than
you can think.
Sooo, why not take an aerobatics instructor with you ?
Best regards,
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http://contrails.free.fr
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Re Mod 74 and the addition of the backnut to the longer-threaded lift pin,
the motorglider manual states, by way of comparison, that:
"The pin should be screwed into the backnut, not the nut screwed onto
the pin. Any
mismatch of the angle between the backnut and the rib will be taken out
with the Araldite pad that is
formed in the process. If you try to tighten the backnut, you may end up
with the nut acting as a
locknut, which will hinder removal of the pins if required at a later
date".
We are warned in the Mod 74 instructions that any future removal of
the rear lift pins will require digging again through the wing skin to
access the nut.
What is different about the retention of the nut in the motorglider wing
that allows simple removal of the pins? And what is the simple detail
that reliably captivates the nut? The latter would seem sensible.
I know that Bob H. had given this some thought, but had not included any
captivation of the nut.
Duncan McF.
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Duncan and Fellows
I can't imagine why any locking of the nut is needed either; the pin is
tight with Loctite and the nut will be encased in the flox mix so cannot
turn. You would have to heat the pin to remove it. So I also say why the
nylock or any locking at all needed on the nut?
At least if somehow you ruined the pin you could replace it without digging
up the wing again.
So I will wait a bit and see what more is said before digging the holes!
JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 in Oz
----- Original Message -----
From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 7:01 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Mod 74.
> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>
>
> Re Mod 74 and the addition of the backnut to the longer-threaded lift pin,
> the motorglider manual states, by way of comparison, that:
>
> "The pin should be screwed into the backnut, not the nut screwed onto
> the pin. Any
> mismatch of the angle between the backnut and the rib will be taken out
> with the Araldite pad that is
> formed in the process. If you try to tighten the backnut, you may end up
> with the nut acting as a
> locknut, which will hinder removal of the pins if required at a later
> date".
>
> We are warned in the Mod 74 instructions that any future removal of
> the rear lift pins will require digging again through the wing skin to
> access the nut.
>
> What is different about the retention of the nut in the motorglider wing
> that allows simple removal of the pins? And what is the simple detail
> that reliably captivates the nut? The latter would seem sensible.
>
> I know that Bob H. had given this some thought, but had not included any
> captivation of the nut.
>
> Duncan McF.
>
>
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| Subject: | Rough River Fly-in Events |
For the folks attending the Rough River Fly-in.
I would like to host an evening in our lodge at the resort for everyone to
get together. Since I am traveling light I need to make it a "Bring your
own" event for nibbles and drinks. Just so everyone is aware the resort is
in a dry county and you have to go a long way to buy a beer, so you will
need to haul it in.
At this time lets all plan on getting together on Saturday night around
6.00, I will pass around your cabin number once I have checked in.
Regards, Paul
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Jeremy
I stand (pardon me, I sit,) corrected. I did have a very nice beer in
Bratislava the other day, (Slovakia) I couldn't remember how to spell
Czech so I wrote Slovak ;-)
Trouble with some of the lesser beers is you can't tell whether someone
already drank it :-\
Graham
Jeremy Davey wrote:
> Graham, don't forget that there are only three great beer-making
nations in
> this world: Britain, Belgium and the Czech Republic. Budvar are in the
> latter, not Slovakia. Germany, Oz and the USA don't come close and I'd be
> happy to assist any dissenters by furthering their education as to
why :-)
>
> Regards,
> JD
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Agreed; added to which the pin is restrained from unscrewing by the pip pin,
although it could be argued that a plain nut could vibrate off.
But the instructions don't call for the 'potting' of the nut. And the
threads are to be coated with flox; so there would be fat chance of getting
enough heat in to this to debond it without collateral damage, should the
pin need to be moved.
I had in mind glassing-in the nut to the outboard side of the rib. At least
then, only a small hole would need to be made to check that the nut had not
moved, should it be necessary in future to remove the pin.
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Laptop JR" <jrgowing@bigpond.net.au>
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 74.
>
> Duncan and Fellows
>
> I can't imagine why any locking of the nut is needed either; the pin is
> tight with Loctite and the nut will be encased in the flox mix so cannot
> turn. You would have to heat the pin to remove it. So I also say why the
> nylock or any locking at all needed on the nut?
>
> At least if somehow you ruined the pin you could replace it without
> digging up the wing again.
>
> So I will wait a bit and see what more is said before digging the holes!
>
> JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 in Oz
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 7:01 AM
> Subject: Europa-List: Mod 74.
>
>
>> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>>
>>
>> Re Mod 74 and the addition of the backnut to the longer-threaded lift
>> pin, the motorglider manual states, by way of comparison, that:
>>
>> "The pin should be screwed into the backnut, not the nut screwed onto
>> the pin. Any
>> mismatch of the angle between the backnut and the rib will be taken out
>> with the Araldite pad that is
>> formed in the process. If you try to tighten the backnut, you may end up
>> with the nut acting as a
>> locknut, which will hinder removal of the pins if required at a later
>> date".
>>
>> We are warned in the Mod 74 instructions that any future removal of
>> the rear lift pins will require digging again through the wing skin to
>> access the nut.
>>
>> What is different about the retention of the nut in the motorglider wing
>> that allows simple removal of the pins? And what is the simple detail
>> that reliably captivates the nut? The latter would seem sensible.
>>
>> I know that Bob H. had given this some thought, but had not included any
>> captivation of the nut.
>>
>> Duncan McF.
>>
>>
>> Visit our website at http://www.halcrow.com
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>> of the intended recipient at the email address to which it has
>> been addressed and do not give rise to any binding legal
>> obligation upon Halcrow companies unless subsequently confirmed
>> on headed business notepaper sent by fax, letter or as an email
>> attachment. Whilst reasonable care has been taken to avoid virus
>> transmission, no responsibility for viruses is taken and it is
>> your responsibility to carry out such checks as you feel
>> appropriate. Emails supplied are as found and there's no
>> guarantee that the messages contained within the body of the
>> email have not been edited after receipt. If you receive this
>> email in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete
>> the message from your system.
>> Thank you.
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>> London, W6 7BY. Registered in England and Wales, Number 3415971.
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rough River Fly-in Events |
Paul-
We have run into the dry problem ourselves. We will be there with bells and beer.
We are here and are going caving tomorrow (Friday) and will check into the
park tomorrow night.
Jim and Lynne
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
> For the folks attending the Rough River Fly-in.
>
> I would like to host an evening in our lodge at the resort for everyone to
> get together. Since I am traveling light I need to make it a "Bring your
> own" event for nibbles and drinks. Just so everyone is aware the resort is
> in a dry county and you have to go a long way to buy a beer, so you will
> need to haul it in.
>
> At this time lets all plan on getting together on Saturday night around
> 6.00, I will pass around your cabin number once I have checked in.
>
> Regards, Paul
>
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<DIV>Paul-</DIV>
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<DIV>We have run into the dry problem ourselves. We will be there with bells
and beer. We are here and are going caving tomorrow (Friday) and will
check into the park tomorrow night. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Jim and Lynne</DIV>
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