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1. 12:27 AM - Tachometer Output. (Mike Parkin)
2. 12:29 AM - Re: Re-gassing of Europa Door Gas Struts....? (RoddyEuropa@aol.com)
3. 01:57 AM - Re: Re-gassing of Europa Door Gas Struts....? (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
4. 02:45 AM - Re: Tachometer Output. (josok)
5. 01:46 PM - Mod 74. (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
6. 02:43 PM - Re: Broken Mag wire (karelvranken)
7. 04:46 PM - Hi Everybody and a few questions (raggi6771)
8. 06:38 PM - Re: Re-gassing of Europa Door Gas Struts....? (raggi6771)
9. 06:43 PM - FS 02 (Fred Klein)
10. 10:08 PM - Re: FS 02 (raggi6771)
11. 11:01 PM - Official Europa-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
12. 11:14 PM - Official Europa-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Tachometer Output. |
I want to pick up the tachometer signal for another project without
affecting the current installation. The Rotax installation manual gives
details of the pickup output, but I suspect that the 914 TCU signal to
the tacho may be a conditioned signal. My engine is not running at the
moment so I cannot put my oscilloscope on it to test it. I am
particularly interested in the peak voltage and whether it varies with
RPM when the TCU is the source.
Also what is the input resistance of the tacho itself.
Any electronics whizzes out there got any ideas??
regards,
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Re-gassing of Europa Door Gas Struts....? |
One of the most useful things I made for G-IKRK were two 'door-up locks'.
Took about 1 minute to make. Take a bit of fuel hose the length of the shiny
bit
of the strut and slit it all the way along. When you want to doors to stay
open, slip it onto the gas strut and the door stays open. If you forget it'
s
there and close the door, it just drops off.
The delux version has a shallow vee cut at one end of the slit to make it
easier to put on, but that takes and extra 30 seconds construction time...
Roddy Kesterton
In a message dated 31/08/2007 22:54:56 GMT Standard Time,
ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk writes:
Hi!
Can anyone advise where there is a re-gassing service available. I
=99m sick of
getting clanked on the head !
I don=99t really fancy spending about =C2=A360 to re-new, IMHO it is
a wrong step
to take anyway thinking of the environmental carbon footprint !
Regards
Bob h . G-PTAG
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| Subject: | Re: Re-gassing of Europa Door Gas Struts....? |
RS Components used to have a re-gassing service. Cost was about =A320.
Duncan Mcf.
----- Original Message -----
From: R.C.Harrison
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 10:47 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Re-gassing of Europa Door Gas Struts....?
Hi!
Can anyone advise where there is a re-gassing service available. I'm
sick of getting clanked on the head !
I don't really fancy spending about =A360 to re-new, IMHO it is a
wrong step to take anyway thinking of the environmental carbon footprint
!
Regards
Bob h . G-PTAG
Robt.C.Harrison
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| Subject: | Re: Tachometer Output. |
Hi Mike.
The tacho output is a normal pulse, about 10 V pp. It's documented in one of the
manuals. I run it to the CG1 constant speed controller and the Dynon flightdeck.
Both indications are exact. It's not coming from the TCU but a pickup coil
like the ignition pickup coils. It's normally wired through the TCU, where one
of the leads of the pickup coil is grounded. The internal resistance is low,
adding more equipment does not matter.
Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
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Would some kind soul please measure for me the distance between the inboard
face of W26 articulating lift pin socket and the centreline of the rotating
barrel in W26. Then the distance from the barrel centreline to the outboard
extremity of the W26.
The longer lift pins supplied with Mod 74 don't work with the earlier
non-articulating W26's, unless the wing root is counterbored, which would
weaken the very area that started all this modification in the first place.
I'm trying to work out whether the supplied longer lift pins (which have the
pip pin hole drilled c.1/10" further inboard) would work directly with the
later articualting W26, as a bolt-compatable swap without having to reset
the fuselage sides.
Duncan McF.
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| Subject: | Re: Broken Mag wire |
Jeff,
Your are wright. During the Italian tour I not only could give a face to a
well known name; thanks to the forum, but it also was an occasion to have a
lot of fun.
To say it as once was said: never I flew so much with so many and never we
were eating so much with so few. Drinking as I tought was a habit, but the
heavenly nectars we sipped were numinous and numerous. This is for me the
occasion to thank David Joyce for his excellent organisation, his unique
feeling for good restaurants and his exceptionel nose for the best wines in
the world. Last but not least, the sympathy and friendship that I (nearly
deaf grandfather) received from the other strangers; David Corbett,
Allisdair Milne, Jeanne and Richard Iddon, and our all Checz Ottokar were
adorable. At the same time the message will say to those friends that I came
home in good weather conditions and in good health.
Best regards,
Karel Vranken # 447 Mono F-PKRL now already 93 hours.
----- Original Message -----
From: "JEFF ROBERTS" <jeff@rmmm.net>
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 5:16 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Broken Mag wire
>
> Thanks Bud and all else!
> I have fixed the wire by soldering on a 6 inch or so pig tail of high
> quality aircraft wire then crimped them to the Mag wires going to the
> switch. I did away with the rotax connectors and per all your advices tie
> wrapped them securely so there are no lose wires. All works well.
> On my cooling issues it's just a mater of too high of pressure in the
> lower cowl not letting the upper air from the top intakes down through.
> Until now the lower NACA was just shooting air into the lower cowl with no
> direction causing the this high pressure. John Hurst told me some time ago
> the demonstrator was set up this way and it was fine. This overheating
> never showed until this hot Tennessee heat wave hit. Again I believe I'll
> have it solved. I have glassed in the lower NACA to receive a 2 inch scat
> tube. This I will run to the upper part of the cowl. I hope it eliminates
> the high, lower cowl pressure and increases the top air pressure to force
> more air cooling down through the cylinders. I should have it all fixed
> in time for next weekend's fly-in at Rough River.
> I am looking forward to seeing old friends and some new ones. It's amazing
> how many people we all have become friends with over this forum and this
> is a chance to finally put faces to them.
> If there are any Europa flyers or builders that have not committed to
> coming this weekend to Rough River KY. I would encourage you to do so.
> Weather permitting of course.
> Best Regards,
>
> Jeff R.
> A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 90 hours and climbing.
>
>
> On Aug 22, 2007, at 12:41 PM, ALAN YERLY wrote:
>
>> Jeff,
>> If the mag wire was not supported well at the crimp connector, due to the
>> crimping process and or soldering, and the continuous flexing of the
>> wire, it will fail due to fatique. If it failed between the connector and
>> the mag box, that is a new one to me. The ones I see are from the mag
>> wires installed by the owner going to the mag connector. Those are cheap
>> and easy connections to replace. The older engines and new engines have
>> different style connectors so be sure to get the right one. If in fact it
>> is a broken factory installed wire, send out pictures to your Rotax
>> dealer and request a product deficiency report. They have pdf files on
>> line and in the owners manual. If you can info everyone I would
>> appreciate that, as this should be corrected via an AD.
>>
>> Bud Yerly
>> Custom Flight Creations
>> customflightcreations.com
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: JEFF ROBERTS
>>> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 11:08 AM
>>> Subject: Europa-List: Broken Mag wire
>>>
>>> Hi Guys,
>>> I just was about to go flying this morning to test a few changes I've
>>> made as my bird has not been cooling in this heat well. As I did the
>>> run-up the right mag didn't drop any RPM's but the right did as it
>>> should. My temps started climbing again so I went right back to the
>>> hanger. The engine didn't want to shut down so I had to starve it of
>>> fuel. I pulled off the cowl right away and as I examined the mag
>>> connections one of the wires just snapped off only about an inch from
>>> the mag's side of the connection. The wire was very brittle and I'm kind
>>> of surprised it's not of better quality. Has this happened to anyone
>>> else and has anyone been able to fix it without ordering a new mag
>>> itself?
>>> Jeff R.
>>> A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 85 hours and still having cooling issues.
>>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Hi Everybody and a few questions |
Firsty I would like to say Hi to all u fellow Europa owners and builders.
I have quickly realised this is a LOT bigger job than I thought, but i guess
the satisfaction will be there when it finally takes to the air. I have finished
the rudder and am halfway done on the elevators ( mod 73 done in the process) and
am up to about 50 hours already!!!
Secondly could some one point me in the right direction for the following
1. Center console mods (Having sat in a Mono I think any extra width for legs would
be a good thing as I have some rather large relatives) I have seen mod #10601
being mentioned but cant find any real detail on it.
2. Composite main gear legs for the Tri Gear. Having weighed the main gear legs
it would seem a weight saving of around 15 pounds could be made here, also with
possible improvements in landing performance
as my understanding is that composite gear ( please correct me if incorrect) does
not store and "reflect" as much energy as alloy steel does.
3. What engines other than rotax jabaru etc people have used. I am considering
a "Hayabusa" engine out of a road bike, which weighs in at about 65kg and is 180hp
(yes I understand Europa does not recommend this) and can be supercharged
(ideal for an aircraft) which means only 40-50 power needed for cruise, and plenty
for climb out.
thanks
:roll:
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| Subject: | Re: Re-gassing of Europa Door Gas Struts....? |
Not that I all that old, but maybe switching the struts for the older style
thing used to hold up hatches etc in vans and kitchens could work. they lock at
about 1 inch intervals. you just open them to the angle you want and they say
put. You must remember to push the button to let them down though or you could
break the door.
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I have just discovered an innocuous little statement in Chap. 17 under
the heading of Fuel sight gauge which states:
"Push the restrictor FS02 about 2.5 cm (1") deep into one end of the
sight gauge tube, inserting the
drilled end first. Oriented this way you will be able to see any debris
that may find its way into the
fuel."
I confess this statement leaves me baffled.
First, as I inspect FS 02, I don't understand its purpose, as I note it
has the tiniest of holes thru which fuel must flow in order to reach
the sight gauge. Would this tiny hole be subject to clogging thus
rendering the sight gauge inaccurate? Why is this restrictor necessary?
Has anyone not installed one? My kit included two FS 02 restrictors;
where is the other one supposed to be installed?
Second, it's not clear to me which end is considered the "drilled
end"....?
Third, from what vantage point is one "able to see any debris that may
find its way into the fuel"? (My sight gauge tubing does not connect
directly to the fuel tank boss because I have installed remote fuel
drains; my sight gauge tubing "tees" off the fuel drain line and is not
visable thru the fuselage bottom access panel.)
Any insights into this issue would be gratefully appreciated!
As an aside, I've made a short cylinder of Redux w/ lots of
micro-balloons, 3/16" diameter which I have floating in a jar of fuel
to see whether it remains buoyant. When I've found some bright paint
which is truly fuel-proof, I'll paint it with the intention of
inserting it into the sight gauge tubing in order to make it easier to
read the fuel level. If I'm doing something dumb here, I'd appreciate a
heads up!
Fred
A194
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Not sure about the restrictor, but as for the epoxy (redux) in the fuel,
I have tried similar in the past, but found the epoxy would break down
after a few months and ended up laying in the bottom of the tank. Saying that,
the fuel we were using was methanol with 5% acetone in it, which
may have attacked the epoxy.
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| Subject: | Official Europa-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Europa-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Europa-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Europa-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Europa-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Europa-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Europa-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Europa-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Europa-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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