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1. 12:32 AM - Mods 73 and 74 pictures (David Joyce)
2. 01:30 AM - Re: Mods 73 and 74 pictures (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
3. 03:30 AM - Re: Duncan Mods 73 and 74 pictures (David Joyce)
4. 06:22 AM - Off Europa Topic.... (R.C.Harrison)
5. 06:42 AM - FW: FS 02 (R.C.Harrison)
6. 07:40 AM - Travel to Italy and Czecko (David Joyce)
7. 08:03 AM - sort of off topic (steve v)
8. 08:36 AM - Re: FW: FS 02 (Fred Klein)
9. 09:08 AM - Re: FW: FS 02 (R.C.Harrison)
10. 10:34 AM - Re: Travel to Italy and Czecko (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
11. 10:44 AM - Re: FW: FS 02 (Fred Klein)
12. 10:49 AM - Re: Something to do next weekend (karelvranken)
13. 12:08 PM - Re: Travel to Italy and Czecko (R.C.Harrison)
14. 12:08 PM - Re: FW: FS 02 (R.C.Harrison)
15. 12:18 PM - Rough River Fly-in Photos (Andrew Sarangan)
16. 12:20 PM - Re: FW: FS 02 (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
17. 01:38 PM - Was Re: FW: FS 02 Now fuel float balls ! (R.C.Harrison)
18. 02:04 PM - Re: Was Re: FW: FS 02 Now fuel float balls ! (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
19. 02:36 PM - Re: Was Re: FW: FS 02 Now fuel float balls ! (Graham Singleton)
20. 03:23 PM - Re: FS 02 (SteveD)
21. 04:20 PM - Re: FS 02 (Graham Singleton)
22. 06:06 PM - Re: Europa: Rough River Fly-in (JEFF ROBERTS)
23. 06:46 PM - 1st Annual "Record Breaking" Rough River Europa Fly-In (Steve Crimm)
24. 07:04 PM - Europa Fly-in (Troy Maynor)
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| Subject: | Mods 73 and 74 pictures |
With the mods 73 & 74 G-BWON now complete save for painting, I would like to
offer thanks to Graham Singleton (Top Bloke), Colin Smallwood, Howard Fish,
Bob Hitchcock & Ged for all of their time and efforts to help us to put the
aircraft back into the air.
I have taken a few pictures of WIP and have enclosed the link if anyone is
interested, these pictures are NOT IN THE ORDER that the work was carried
out (I will do it but remaining work on aircraft is more important ;-)
The album also contains pictures of other work that we have taken the
opportunity to complete at the same time, sorting out corrosion on the
aluminium flap supports and on the pitot tube.
My thanks again to the above mentioned!
www.stranfaer.com/mod74
David Joyce (the other one)
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| Subject: | Re: Mods 73 and 74 pictures |
David/Graham,
Can you confirm that the full engagement of the lift pin is as shown in
photos 8, 38, 55, 75,76, as the problem I having is that the supplied parts
will require the threaded hole in the wing root to be counterbored by
c.1/10". Yours seem not to have this difficulty.
Does BWON have Mod 52?; G-INFO suggests not. I which case I would have
expected the same problem.
BTW, the flap close-out method of access would have resulted in half the
number of photos!
Rgds.,
Duncan.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Joyce" <stranfaer@btinternet.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 8:29 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Mods 73 and 74 pictures
> <stranfaer@btinternet.com>
>
> With the mods 73 & 74 G-BWON now complete save for painting, I would like
> to offer thanks to Graham Singleton (Top Bloke), Colin Smallwood, Howard
> Fish, Bob Hitchcock & Ged for all of their time and efforts to help us to
> put the aircraft back into the air.
>
> I have taken a few pictures of WIP and have enclosed the link if anyone is
> interested, these pictures are NOT IN THE ORDER that the work was carried
> out (I will do it but remaining work on aircraft is more important ;-)
>
> The album also contains pictures of other work that we have taken the
> opportunity to complete at the same time, sorting out corrosion on the
> aluminium flap supports and on the pitot tube.
>
> My thanks again to the above mentioned!
>
> www.stranfaer.com/mod74
>
> David Joyce (the other one)
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mods 73 and 74 pictures |
Hi Duncan
Mod 52 carried out on 26/2/04 (I will get amendments made to GINFO) "Thanks
for the reminder"
I dont mind the number of photos (i did it for a living for quite some years
;-)
You are quite correct about the threads (believe nylock should have 1.5
threads past nyloc?) WIP picture!
Again wing root fairing close to flap hanger ref your other comment!
Many thanks & rgds
David
----- Original Message -----
From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mods 73 and 74 pictures
> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> David/Graham,
> Can you confirm that the full engagement of the lift pin is as shown in
> photos 8, 38, 55, 75,76, as the problem I having is that the supplied
> parts will require the threaded hole in the wing root to be counterbored
> by c.1/10". Yours seem not to have this difficulty.
>
> Does BWON have Mod 52?; G-INFO suggests not. I which case I would have
> expected the same problem.
>
> BTW, the flap close-out method of access would have resulted in half the
> number of photos!
David,
Thanks for the useful posting.
I am duty-bound to point out that the reinstatement of the wing surface is
not as per instructions, as the composite patch is meant to extend beyond
the flap hanger; maybe the presence of the "non structural" root fairing at
this point prevented this.
Also, there is an insufficient number of threads protruding from the
lock-nut; but maybe the photo was taken at an interim stage (WIP, as you
point out).
Regards,
Duncan.
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| Subject: | Off Europa Topic.... |
Hi! All.
This isn't a promotional item but hopefully one of interest to all
sporting types ...(IOW I'm not commercially connected!)
My friend Stuart Gough is at the Southampton Boat Show 15th - 24th of
September(14th is preview day) at Berth 75 with the "Passport" yacht
"Tintagel"
Should be a good place to have a "doth" !
Regards
Bob H
Robt.C.Harrison
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Hi!Fred
I posted this message below this morning but the forum hasn't forwarded
it so here goes again
Regards
Bob H G-PTAG
Robt.C.Harrison
-----Original Message-----
From: R.C.Harrison [mailto:ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: 02 September 2007 07:54
Subject: RE: Europa-List: FS 02
Hi! Fred
One FSo2 is for the purpose of damping level oscillations in the sight
gauge without it the level goes "up and down like a whores draws"! (also
should you have a fire you die slower!)
The other is for use as a restrictor in the return to tank line.
Otherwise the fuel buggers off back to tank and forgets the engine needs
some! Seemingly the 914 doesn't need a return to tank restrictor but
the Jab 6 did so I'm not sure about the other Mk of engines.
You do correct in ensuring that your main fuel lines are completely
dedicated to engine supply, all the other add on guismos are to be
connected to secondary connections.
For the direction of insertion I take the instruction to mean for
"drilled end" read "countersunk drilled end" .I guess the idea here is
that a flake of scale may not be able to sit flat over the tiny hole and
block it so easy ?
For your sight gauge readability problem I recommend a florescent orange
floating ball supplied to me by one VANCE ATKINSON last known 3604
Willomet Ct.
Bedford. TX76012 USA. E-mail :- nostromo56@comcast.net
He supplies the whole gauge for the Longeezy and Varyeeze tank
installations and will supply you just the balls if required.
You must make sure however that you have the likes of an FSo2 at the top
and bottom of the gauge to keep the ball from buggering off along
various pipes ! Also making some provision to restrain the ball from
rising to the top of the gauge and acting as a floating fuel stop to the
vent. (Probably a piece of stainless wire wool ?)
I've used his ball in my version of a sight gauge between the seat backs
but without the wool suggestion.
Regards
Bob H G-PTAG
Robt.C.Harrison
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Klein
Sent: 02 September 2007 02:42
Subject: Europa-List: FS 02
I have just discovered an innocuous little statement in Chap. 17 under
the heading of Fuel sight gauge which states:
"Push the restrictor FS02 about 2.5 cm (1") deep into one end of the
sight gauge tube, inserting the
drilled end first. Oriented this way you will be able to see any debris
that may find its way into the
fuel."
I confess this statement leaves me baffled.
First, as I inspect FS 02, I don't understand its purpose, as I note it
has the tiniest of holes thru which fuel must flow in order to reach the
sight gauge. Would this tiny hole be subject to clogging thus rendering
the sight gauge inaccurate? Why is this restrictor necessary? Has anyone
not installed one? My kit included two FS 02 restrictors; where is the
other one supposed to be installed?
Second, it's not clear to me which end is considered the "drilled
end"....?
Third, from what vantage point is one "able to see any debris that may
find its way into the fuel"? (My sight gauge tubing does not connect
directly to the fuel tank boss because I have installed remote fuel
drains; my sight gauge tubing "tees" off the fuel drain line and is not
visable thru the fuselage bottom access panel.)
Any insights into this issue would be gratefully appreciated!
As an aside, I've made a short cylinder of Redux w/ lots of
micro-balloons, 3/16" diameter which I have floating in a jar of fuel to
see whether it remains buoyant. When I've found some bright paint which
is truly fuel-proof, I'll paint it with the intention of inserting it
into the sight gauge tubing in order to make it easier to read the fuel
level. If I'm doing something dumb here, I'd appreciate a heads up!
Fred
A194
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List
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| Subject: | Travel to Italy and Czecko |
Just back from a most enjoyable Italian tour to find an email from the
Director of the relevant dept of ENAC (the Italian CAA) stating that Permit
aircraft need no special permission to fly in Italy. This follows a similar
confirmation from the Czech CAA that they also no,longer require special
permission.
Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
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| Subject: | sort of off topic |
Hi, does any know of or have a link to an Europa plugin for Microsoft Flight Sim.?
Steve Vestuti G-CEBV #573
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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Bob H.,
Thanks for your explanation of the FS 02 and the tip on Vance's
floating ball. You mention:
> I've used his ball in my version of a sight gauge between the seat
> backs
I too am contemplating placing a sight gauge between the seat backs and
have made a small molding upon which to mount it's top which extends
the vertical face of the CM up to the horizontal surface between the
head rests. I like this location as it will be visible when re-fueling;
however, it seems apparent that...since the sight gauge would disappear
into a hole in the top of the tunnel...readings would not be visible
when the fuel level goes below the saddle. That being the case, I've
been anticipating installing the standard sight gauge as well in order
to get readings down to the point when one would want to switch to the
reserve tank...although I do have some concerns about raw fuel in the
cockpit at the firewall. As I write this, two sight gauges sounds like
overkill, particularly as I have the factory fuel gauge and anticipate
having an EIS w/ fuel flow metering...(gasp!)
I'd be interested in hearing something about your sight gauge between
the seats and its venting, as I've had some concerns about adequate
space between the tank and the CM as I would route the vent line first
to starboard and then back towards the fuel filler.
Thanks again,
Fred
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Hi! Fred
Yes my sight gauge also disappears down the tunnel hole below it,
however since this is the main tank saddle height it means you have
approx two gallons left in the main tank whereupon IMHO you should be
sorting out in your mind where to land! The top of my seat back gauge
also goes into the seat back upright so hiding the full measure too but
it continues to vent diagonally across the tank top to vent into the
main tank vent, any fuel on overfilling then gets to return to the main
tank. IMHO for scope and visibility the Europa plan with the ball takes
the prize.
To see my seat back one I have a small mirror on the dash but to see the
ball it is behind my arm !
I also regularly fill to brim full without a problem except recently
having had my tank top hole undone the gasket settled and needed a fresh
round of tightening !
You could arrange for a small tap to be in line with the factory gauge
except then you have your memory to rely on !
Regards
Bob h G-PTAG
Robt.C.Harrison
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Klein
Sent: 02 September 2007 16:34
Subject: Re: FW: Europa-List: FS 02
Bob H.,
Thanks for your explanation of the FS 02 and the tip on Vance's
floating ball. You mention:
> I've used his ball in my version of a sight gauge between the seat
> backs
I too am contemplating placing a sight gauge between the seat backs and
have made a small molding upon which to mount it's top which extends
the vertical face of the CM up to the horizontal surface between the
head rests. I like this location as it will be visible when re-fueling;
however, it seems apparent that...since the sight gauge would disappear
into a hole in the top of the tunnel...readings would not be visible
when the fuel level goes below the saddle. That being the case, I've
been anticipating installing the standard sight gauge as well in order
to get readings down to the point when one would want to switch to the
reserve tank...although I do have some concerns about raw fuel in the
cockpit at the firewall. As I write this, two sight gauges sounds like
overkill, particularly as I have the factory fuel gauge and anticipate
having an EIS w/ fuel flow metering...(gasp!)
I'd be interested in hearing something about your sight gauge between
the seats and its venting, as I've had some concerns about adequate
space between the tank and the CM as I would route the vent line first
to starboard and then back towards the fuel filler.
Thanks again,
Fred
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| Subject: | Re: Travel to Italy and Czecko |
David,
It would be worth forwarding this to the PFA (LAA!).
Rgds.,
Duncan
do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 3:38 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Travel to Italy and Czecko
> <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
> Just back from a most enjoyable Italian tour to find an email from the
> Director of the relevant dept of ENAC (the Italian CAA) stating that
> Permit
> aircraft need no special permission to fly in Italy. This follows a
> similar
> confirmation from the Czech CAA that they also no,longer require special
> permission.
> Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
>
>
>
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Bob,
Whilst still in the build-mode, it's really helpful to hear from
someone w/ extensive Europa flight experience...so thank you again.
When you say,
> IMHO for scope and visibility the Europa plan with the ball takes the
> prize.
...are you suggesting that, if you were to start over, you would not do
the "between the seats" sight gauge?... notwithstanding (as I
understand it) that the standard sight gauge is not visible nor helpful
when assessing fuel level when refueling (?).
Fred
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| Subject: | Re: Something to do next weekend |
Hey Raimo,
My shoes are worn to a thread because there was no money anymore to buy
new ones. But the ones in your picture are surely made of reindeer
leather. Too expensif for me even for halves.
Regards,
Karel.
----- Original Message -----
From: Raimo Toivio
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Something to do next weekend
Karel
you are right - I really need a pair of shoes.
Unfortunately I had to sell all my shoes to get
capital to complete Europa...do you still have shoes?
Happily I still have two new pair of shoes: if you watch
very carefully pic #5502, you can find leather made
embroidered Europa moccasins behind copilots=B4s stick...
by using them I prevent to carry small stones to the cockpit
- in the worst case scenario they jam pedals or sticks.
Best wishes, Raimo
----- Original Message -----
From: karelvranken
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Something to do next weekend
Raimo,
Beautiful pictures of Europa, big Finisch sky, lovely daughter, but
don't you need a pair of shoes?
Best regards,
Karel Vranken.
----- Original Message -----
From: Raimo Toivio
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 7:42 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Something to do next weekend
Hi All Dear Europa Lovers!
One real pro - Mr. Mikko Maliniemi - took some
advanced Europa OH-XRT pictures.
He promised me to share those pics to you.
Be my guest and click (if you haven=B4t anything
better to do)
http://mmniemi.aviation.fi/jami_07/europa/
to see them. I wish you enjoy them!
Note: you are of course allowed to save them
or what so ever but if you are going to publish
them, please ask direct him
mmniemi@dlc.fi
to get a permission to do so.
I have also some extraordinary A2A pics.
Would you like to see them also?
Best Regards, Raimo
===============
some Europa aerobatics next week
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| Subject: | Travel to Italy and Czecko |
Hi! David
You mean when we landed there on the first 6 nations we needn't have
suffered all that continental obstructional bullsh....t and charges?
Sounds too good to be true after that experience ?
What about the exorbitant charges?
Bob H G-PTAG
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Joyce
Sent: 02 September 2007 15:38
Subject: Europa-List: Travel to Italy and Czecko
<davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Just back from a most enjoyable Italian tour to find an email from the
Director of the relevant dept of ENAC (the Italian CAA) stating that
Permit
aircraft need no special permission to fly in Italy. This follows a
similar
confirmation from the Czech CAA that they also no,longer require special
permission.
Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
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Hi! Fred
You just about got it ! When filling I can't see mine on the seat back
without removing the seat back cushions but as I say I fill up brim
full just before departure on long flights (don't generally leave it
stood overnight but sometimes do without a problem)
IMHO the main purpose of the sight gauge is to get an actual visual
level reading as a check on instrument produced level and get some
continuity of readings when nearing the final 25% say.
If you are taking a 1 hour flight and don't need a total fill then stick
in 5 gallons .....you just put it in so you know it's there ! What was
already in is security ? Now .......imagine a massive leak developing
whilst in flight .......then........? Or needing to do an extended
diversion to an alternate ......?
No I wouldn't do my seat back sight gauge should I start over. Without
my mirror I'm looking down on it so not very easy to read anyway.
Regards
Bob h G-PTAG
Robt.C.Harrison
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Klein
Sent: 02 September 2007 18:44
Subject: Re: FW: Europa-List: FS 02
Bob,
Whilst still in the build-mode, it's really helpful to hear from
someone w/ extensive Europa flight experience...so thank you again.
When you say,
> IMHO for scope and visibility the Europa plan with the ball takes the
> prize.
...are you suggesting that, if you were to start over, you would not do
the "between the seats" sight gauge?... notwithstanding (as I
understand it) that the standard sight gauge is not visible nor helpful
when assessing fuel level when refueling (?).
Fred
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| Subject: | Rough River Fly-in Photos |
Had a great time meeting the Europa folks at Rough River State Park,
even though I could only be there for a few hours. Thanks to Paul
McAllister for organizing it. At one point I saw six Europas on the
ramp; others said there were seven earlier. My only complaint was the
drinking water which someone appropriately described as "colonized
water". Next time I am bringing a drum of water from home.
I took some photos which are up on my website (link below). There is a
cool video of one Europa taking off from the runway. I couldn't
remember who took the group photo. I hope he can email it or post it
somewhere.
Hope we can have the same gathering next year.
Here is the link:
http://www.sarangan.org/album/aviation_album.html
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Bob,
What material did you use for the ball?
Rgds.,
Duncan.
----- Original Message -----
From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 5:07 PM
Subject: RE: FW: Europa-List: FS 02
>
> Hi! Fred
> Yes my sight gauge also disappears down the tunnel hole below it,
> however since this is the main tank saddle height it means you have
> approx two gallons left in the main tank whereupon IMHO you should be
> sorting out in your mind where to land! The top of my seat back gauge
> also goes into the seat back upright so hiding the full measure too but
> it continues to vent diagonally across the tank top to vent into the
> main tank vent, any fuel on overfilling then gets to return to the main
> tank. IMHO for scope and visibility the Europa plan with the ball takes
> the prize.
> To see my seat back one I have a small mirror on the dash but to see the
> ball it is behind my arm !
> I also regularly fill to brim full without a problem except recently
> having had my tank top hole undone the gasket settled and needed a fresh
> round of tightening !
> You could arrange for a small tap to be in line with the factory gauge
> except then you have your memory to rely on !
> Regards
> Bob h G-PTAG
>
> Robt.C.Harrison
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Klein
> Sent: 02 September 2007 16:34
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: FW: Europa-List: FS 02
>
>
> Bob H.,
>
> Thanks for your explanation of the FS 02 and the tip on Vance's
> floating ball. You mention:
>
>> I've used his ball in my version of a sight gauge between the seat
>> backs
>
> I too am contemplating placing a sight gauge between the seat backs and
> have made a small molding upon which to mount it's top which extends
> the vertical face of the CM up to the horizontal surface between the
> head rests. I like this location as it will be visible when re-fueling;
> however, it seems apparent that...since the sight gauge would disappear
> into a hole in the top of the tunnel...readings would not be visible
> when the fuel level goes below the saddle. That being the case, I've
> been anticipating installing the standard sight gauge as well in order
> to get readings down to the point when one would want to switch to the
> reserve tank...although I do have some concerns about raw fuel in the
> cockpit at the firewall. As I write this, two sight gauges sounds like
> overkill, particularly as I have the factory fuel gauge and anticipate
> having an EIS w/ fuel flow metering...(gasp!)
>
> I'd be interested in hearing something about your sight gauge between
> the seats and its venting, as I've had some concerns about adequate
> space between the tank and the CM as I would route the vent line first
> to starboard and then back towards the fuel filler.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Fred
>
>
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| Subject: | FS 02 Now fuel float balls ! |
Hi! Duncan
Not a clue! I just bought it from Vance.
But I do have one if you should want to analyse it and make me a
replacement!
Regards
Bob H
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Duncan &
Ami McFadyean
Sent: 02 September 2007 20:20
Subject: Re: FW: Europa-List: FS 02
<ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Bob,
What material did you use for the ball?
Rgds.,
Duncan.
----- Original Message -----
From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 5:07 PM
Subject: RE: FW: Europa-List: FS 02
<ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
>
> Hi! Fred
> Yes my sight gauge also disappears down the tunnel hole below it,
> however since this is the main tank saddle height it means you have
> approx two gallons left in the main tank whereupon IMHO you should be
> sorting out in your mind where to land! The top of my seat back gauge
> also goes into the seat back upright so hiding the full measure too
but
> it continues to vent diagonally across the tank top to vent into the
> main tank vent, any fuel on overfilling then gets to return to the
main
> tank. IMHO for scope and visibility the Europa plan with the ball
takes
> the prize.
> To see my seat back one I have a small mirror on the dash but to see
the
> ball it is behind my arm !
> I also regularly fill to brim full without a problem except recently
> having had my tank top hole undone the gasket settled and needed a
fresh
> round of tightening !
> You could arrange for a small tap to be in line with the factory gauge
> except then you have your memory to rely on !
> Regards
> Bob h G-PTAG
>
> Robt.C.Harrison
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred
Klein
> Sent: 02 September 2007 16:34
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: FW: Europa-List: FS 02
>
>
> Bob H.,
>
> Thanks for your explanation of the FS 02 and the tip on Vance's
> floating ball. You mention:
>
>> I've used his ball in my version of a sight gauge between the seat
>> backs
>
> I too am contemplating placing a sight gauge between the seat backs
and
> have made a small molding upon which to mount it's top which extends
> the vertical face of the CM up to the horizontal surface between the
> head rests. I like this location as it will be visible when
re-fueling;
> however, it seems apparent that...since the sight gauge would
disappear
> into a hole in the top of the tunnel...readings would not be visible
> when the fuel level goes below the saddle. That being the case, I've
> been anticipating installing the standard sight gauge as well in order
> to get readings down to the point when one would want to switch to the
> reserve tank...although I do have some concerns about raw fuel in the
> cockpit at the firewall. As I write this, two sight gauges sounds like
> overkill, particularly as I have the factory fuel gauge and anticipate
> having an EIS w/ fuel flow metering...(gasp!)
>
> I'd be interested in hearing something about your sight gauge between
> the seats and its venting, as I've had some concerns about adequate
> space between the tank and the CM as I would route the vent line first
> to starboard and then back towards the fuel filler.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Fred
>
>
> --
> This message has been scanned for viruses and
> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
> believed to be clean.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FS 02 Now fuel float balls ! |
Bob,
I'll make you a replacement from cork, probably the most reliable of
materials! I suppose a cut-up carb float would do it too.
The difficulty is colouring it, and it staying that colour in Mogas.
Rgds.,
Duncan
do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 9:37 PM
Subject: Was RE: FW: Europa-List: FS 02 Now fuel float balls !
>
> Hi! Duncan
> Not a clue! I just bought it from Vance.
> But I do have one if you should want to analyse it and make me a
> replacement!
> Regards
> Bob H
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Duncan &
> Ami McFadyean
> Sent: 02 September 2007 20:20
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: FW: Europa-List: FS 02
>
> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> Bob,
> What material did you use for the ball?
>
> Rgds.,
> Duncan.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 5:07 PM
> Subject: RE: FW: Europa-List: FS 02
>
>
> <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
>>
>> Hi! Fred
>> Yes my sight gauge also disappears down the tunnel hole below it,
>> however since this is the main tank saddle height it means you have
>> approx two gallons left in the main tank whereupon IMHO you should be
>> sorting out in your mind where to land! The top of my seat back gauge
>> also goes into the seat back upright so hiding the full measure too
> but
>> it continues to vent diagonally across the tank top to vent into the
>> main tank vent, any fuel on overfilling then gets to return to the
> main
>> tank. IMHO for scope and visibility the Europa plan with the ball
> takes
>> the prize.
>> To see my seat back one I have a small mirror on the dash but to see
> the
>> ball it is behind my arm !
>> I also regularly fill to brim full without a problem except recently
>> having had my tank top hole undone the gasket settled and needed a
> fresh
>> round of tightening !
>> You could arrange for a small tap to be in line with the factory gauge
>> except then you have your memory to rely on !
>> Regards
>> Bob h G-PTAG
>>
>> Robt.C.Harrison
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred
> Klein
>> Sent: 02 September 2007 16:34
>> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: FW: Europa-List: FS 02
>>
>>
>> Bob H.,
>>
>> Thanks for your explanation of the FS 02 and the tip on Vance's
>> floating ball. You mention:
>>
>>> I've used his ball in my version of a sight gauge between the seat
>>> backs
>>
>> I too am contemplating placing a sight gauge between the seat backs
> and
>> have made a small molding upon which to mount it's top which extends
>> the vertical face of the CM up to the horizontal surface between the
>> head rests. I like this location as it will be visible when
> re-fueling;
>> however, it seems apparent that...since the sight gauge would
> disappear
>> into a hole in the top of the tunnel...readings would not be visible
>> when the fuel level goes below the saddle. That being the case, I've
>> been anticipating installing the standard sight gauge as well in order
>> to get readings down to the point when one would want to switch to the
>> reserve tank...although I do have some concerns about raw fuel in the
>> cockpit at the firewall. As I write this, two sight gauges sounds like
>> overkill, particularly as I have the factory fuel gauge and anticipate
>> having an EIS w/ fuel flow metering...(gasp!)
>>
>> I'd be interested in hearing something about your sight gauge between
>> the seats and its venting, as I've had some concerns about adequate
>> space between the tank and the CM as I would route the vent line first
>> to starboard and then back towards the fuel filler.
>>
>> Thanks again,
>>
>> Fred
>>
>>
>> --
>> This message has been scanned for viruses and
>> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
>> believed to be clean.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FS 02 Now fuel float balls ! |
I'd buy one from Vance, he's been doing it for 15 years or more and
there's no substitute for experience!
plus he's a good bloke!
Graham
Duncan & Ami McFadyean wrote:
> Bob,
> I'll make you a replacement from cork, probably the most reliable of
> materials! I suppose a cut-up carb float would do it too.
> The difficulty is colouring it, and it staying that colour in Mogas.
>
> Rgds.,
> Duncan
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Vance Atkinson Fuel Site Gauges
You can google the above text and get many hits, Vance's old website is down and
I haven't found a new one...
http://www.europaowners.org/album43
Steved...
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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This is Vance's email <nostromo56@tx.rr.com>
Graham
SteveD wrote:
>
> Vance Atkinson Fuel Site Gauges
> You can google the above text and get many hits, Vance's old website is down
and I haven't found a new one...
>
> http://www.europaowners.org/album43
>
> Steved...
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Graham Singleton
Tel: +441629820187
Mob: +447739582005
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| Subject: | Re: Europa: Rough River Fly-in |
HI All,
I just returned from the 1st annual Europa fly in at Rough River
Kentucky. The weather was absolutely perfect once there. I like most
had to deal with some haze & clouds while flying there and back but it
was nothing that a nice climb to 8500 didn't cure. I'm sorry I don't
remember his name, but to quote one attending Europa builders words.
This is "the best dam Fly-In he has ever attended" and I couldn't agree
more. It was most fun giving Europa rides to those that are in the
middle of building. I hope it helped in motivating your project along.
Flying over the Kentucky landscape and Rough River was great and seeing
the Europa grin on my passengers was even better. Of course you guys
know who you are and our deal was a ride for some of the photos you
shot ;0) Looking forward to seeing some of them posted here and to
having some sent to me. Our attempted Europa formation Fly by was
hilarious and also fun. Maybe we'll get it right next year. I believe
everyone there was unanimous in returning next year to an even bigger
event. It's just flat out... a perfect place to do it. I would like to
thank Jeff / Baby Blue and Paul McAlester / Lightning Strike, (Sorry
Paul... I couldn't resist) for putting this event together and to John
Lawton for his talk on finishing and buffing.
Best Regards,
Jeff R.
A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush
Looking forward to next year and I promise to bring more beer.
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| Subject: | 1st Annual "Record Breaking" Rough River Europa Fly-In |
We are now home after attending the first annual RR Europa Flt-In. This
event drew the largest gathering of Europa's at a single location, totaling
seven, in North America.
With attendees arrived from as far away as South Florida, Southern Ontario,
Long Island, Louisiana, Michigan,Wisconsin, Missouri, North Carolina,
Tennessee, Pennsylvania, and Georgia I can say a good time was had by all.
I would like to thank Paul for putting this all together and the location is
an excellent spot for aviators. While we were there, every morning there
were several aircraft that flew into RR for either breakfast or dinner. The
food was very inexpensive and all you could eat and the accommodations were
very nice. Our room over looked the lake and was very pleasant when sitting
on our porch.
Bobbi and I had an excellent time, enjoyed meeting everyone and look forward
to next year when we will have an even larger gathering of Europa's in an
effort to break the current North American record.
Thanks again
Steve & Bobbi
N42AH
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Hi All,
We just returned from the drive up to Rough River, the First Annual US
Europa Fly-in. What a perfect weekend! There were 7 Europas in attendance
and 28 nice Europa folks in all. The choice of this location was great and
the weather perfect. I have never seen a state park with such nice
amenities. It had a nice 3200ft runway. Just a short walk away was a
lakeside lodge complete with a very good and reasonably priced restaurant.
They had a pool, golf course, campground, marina, cottages, and a picnic and
beach area. Donna and I got a ride with Jeff B.and Jeff R. in their
beautiful trigears. I especially enjoyed the "formation" flight, flying
right seat in "Gold Rush". I will be posting a bunch of pix tomorrow on the
gallery page in the forum watch for it. Can't wait till next year.
Troy and Donna Maynor
N120EU Europa Monowheel Classic
Left to finish:Paint,(some) interior,engine install, (some) wiring.
Weaverville, NC USA
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