Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:59 AM - Re: Was Re: FW: FS 02 Now fuel float balls ! (R.C.Harrison)
2. 02:10 AM - Re: Travel to Italy and Czecko (David Joyce)
3. 02:17 AM - Re: Mods 73 and 74 pictures (andy ringrose)
4. 05:27 AM - Rough River Fly-in (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com)
5. 06:04 AM - Re: Rough River Fly-in (wdaniell@etb.net.co)
6. 07:01 AM - Re: Rough River Fly-in (Andrew Sarangan)
7. 08:42 AM - Rough River Photo's (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com)
8. 10:28 AM - Re: Rough River Fly-in (h&jeuropa)
9. 10:31 AM - Re: Re-gassing of Europa Door Gas Struts....? (Rowland & Wilma Carson)
10. 10:31 AM - Re: sort of off topic (Rowland & Wilma Carson)
11. 12:00 PM - Portable hanger (Jerry Rehn)
12. 12:44 PM - Re: Rough River Photo's (Paul McAllister)
13. 12:48 PM - Re: Travel to Italy and Czecko (Kurt A. Schumacher)
14. 01:08 PM - Re: Re-gassing of Europa Door Gas Struts....? (R.C.Harrison)
15. 02:07 PM - THE LAST OF THE SUMMER WINE (bryan allsop)
16. 02:15 PM - Re: sort of off topic (steve v)
17. 03:08 PM - Rough River Fly-in (europaman)
18. 04:25 PM - Re: sort of off topic (Graham Singleton)
19. 04:42 PM - Re: Rough River Photo's (Rman)
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| Subject: | FS 02 Now fuel float balls ! |
Hi! Duncan/Fred
I think I recall that Vance makes 5mm dia. And 3mm dia. Balls Also that
he sent me three of the small ones (one for good measure ...pardon the
pun!) for about USD $ 10 plus postage. Not a really big outlay ! but
about 10 years ago.
Seems to be a bit of debate about his latest e-mail address though.
Graham Singleton is advising his new address is :- nostromo56@tx.rr.com
I've just Googled "Vance Atkinson Fuel Sight Gauges" and there is a host
of pages recommending his gauges.
However Initially I Googled "Fuel Floating Ball Level Gauges" or
thereabouts and came up with an AAIU Formal Accident Report (Not Vances
Gauge) about such a float ball gauge where the ball had stuck and given
a false reading but probably due to aging of the tubes discolouring the
real meniscus level of the fuel couldn't be seen either! So my points
about stainless wire wool or some such facility to stop the ball
becoming stuck at the top is quite relevant.
Of course it's not possible to weight the damn thing otherwise it will
sink.
I used the 3mm diameter one in the standard Europa plastic fuel tube.
Regards
Bob H
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Duncan &
Ami McFadyean
Sent: 02 September 2007 22:04
Subject: Re: Was RE: FW: Europa-List: FS 02 Now fuel float balls !
<ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Bob,
I'll make you a replacement from cork, probably the most reliable of
materials! I suppose a cut-up carb float would do it too.
The difficulty is colouring it, and it staying that colour in Mogas.
Rgds.,
Duncan
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| Subject: | Re: Travel to Italy and Czecko |
Bob, The obstruction related to flying into Italy from a non EU country
(Switzerland) and of course it costs to have such expensive officials
sitting around all day waiting for someone to obstruct! David
----- Original Message -----
From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 8:06 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Travel to Italy and Czecko
>
> Hi! David
> You mean when we landed there on the first 6 nations we needn't have
> suffered all that continental obstructional bullsh....t and charges?
>
> Sounds too good to be true after that experience ?
> What about the exorbitant charges?
>
> Bob H G-PTAG
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Joyce
> Sent: 02 September 2007 15:38
> To: Europa list
> Subject: Europa-List: Travel to Italy and Czecko
>
> <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
> Just back from a most enjoyable Italian tour to find an email from the
> Director of the relevant dept of ENAC (the Italian CAA) stating that
> Permit
> aircraft need no special permission to fly in Italy. This follows a
> similar
> confirmation from the Czech CAA that they also no,longer require special
> permission.
> Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mods 73 and 74 pictures |
Duncan,
Is there an approved flap close-out method of access for mod 74 avail.
Rgds, Andy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mods 73 and 74 pictures
> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> David/Graham,
> Can you confirm that the full engagement of the lift pin is as shown in
> photos 8, 38, 55, 75,76, as the problem I having is that the supplied
> parts will require the threaded hole in the wing root to be counterbored
> by c.1/10". Yours seem not to have this difficulty.
>
> Does BWON have Mod 52?; G-INFO suggests not. I which case I would have
> expected the same problem.
>
> BTW, the flap close-out method of access would have resulted in half the
> number of photos!
>
> Rgds.,
> Duncan.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Joyce" <stranfaer@btinternet.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 8:29 AM
> Subject: Europa-List: Mods 73 and 74 pictures
>
>
>> <stranfaer@btinternet.com>
>>
>> With the mods 73 & 74 G-BWON now complete save for painting, I would like
>> to offer thanks to Graham Singleton (Top Bloke), Colin Smallwood, Howard
>> Fish, Bob Hitchcock & Ged for all of their time and efforts to help us to
>> put the aircraft back into the air.
>>
>> I have taken a few pictures of WIP and have enclosed the link if anyone
>> is interested, these pictures are NOT IN THE ORDER that the work was
>> carried out (I will do it but remaining work on aircraft is more
>> important ;-)
>>
>> The album also contains pictures of other work that we have taken the
>> opportunity to complete at the same time, sorting out corrosion on the
>> aluminium flap supports and on the pitot tube.
>>
>> My thanks again to the above mentioned!
>>
>> www.stranfaer.com/mod74
>>
>> David Joyce (the other one)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Rough River Fly-in |
Greetings all,
Just wanted to echo my sentiments regarding the Rough River gathering.
Susan and I thoroughly enjoyed meeting new friends and reacquainting
ourselves with others we'd previously met at Sun-n-Fun and at our fly in at TN89
in
2004. Rough River State Park is an ideal place for such a gathering. I don't
know of a better facility anywhere east of the Mississippi.
Susan got some great shots of our, uh, er, "formation" fly by. She's trying
to get them sorted out before she departs for Colorado with her mother on
Wednesday and I've asked her to burn them to a CD so that I can distribute them
to anyone who'd care to have copies. Several of the pictures of our fly-by can
be enlarged enough to see the faces of the pilots. That new Sony SLR she
has is nothing sort of amazing!
It was tough to leave at the end of the day and I wish we'd have stayed, but
life sometimes gets in the way or even the best made plans. We arrived back
at TN89 right at dark. Ten minutes later and I'd have had to go somewhere
else and wait for morning since I neglected to leave my runway lights set up so
I could turn them on when I arrived.
Kudos' to Paul, Jeff and anyone and everyone else who made this event
happen. Mighty fine job, guys!
Can't wait to do it again!
Just to plant a seed, fall is coming and IMHO that is a fine time to visit
the panhandle of Florida for some shrimp. How about a "Drop of the Hat" fly out
rendezvous, American style? Gulf Shores? Pensacola? I can taste those Gulf
shrimp now.........
Regards,
John Lawton
Whitwell, TN (TN89)
N245E - Flying - 105.5 hours
http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
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| Subject: | Re: Rough River Fly-in |
Where is rough river?
Will
-----Original Message-----
From: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
To:europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: Europa-List: Rough River Fly-in
Greetings all,
Just wanted to echo my sentiments regarding the Rough River gathering.
Susan and I thoroughly enjoyed meeting new friends and reacquainting ourselves
with others we'd previously met at Sun-n-Fun and at our fly in at = TN89 in
2004. Rough River State Park is an ideal place for such a gathering. I do= n't
know of a better facility anywhere east of the Mississippi.
Susan got some great shots of our, uh, er, "formation" fly by. She's tr= ying
to get them sorted out before she departs for Colorado with her mother on Wednesday
and I've asked her to burn them to a CD so that I can distribute t= hem
to anyone who'd care to have copies. Several of the pictures of our fly-by c=
an be enlarged enough to see the faces of the pilots. That newSony SLR sh=
e has is nothing sort of amazing!
It was tough to leave at the end of the day and I wish we'd have stayed= , but
life sometimes gets in the way or even the best made plans. We arrived b= ack
at TN89 right at dark.Ten minuteslater and I'd have had to go somewhere else
and wait for morning since I neglected to leavemy runwa= y lights set up so
I could turn them on when I arrived.
Kudos' to Paul, Jeff andanyone and everyoneelse who made th= is event happen.
Mighty fine job, guys!
Can't wait to do it again!
Just to plant a seed, fall is coming and IMHO that is a fine time to vi= sit the
panhandle of Florida for some shrimp. How about a "Drop of the Hat" fly = out
rendezvous,American style? Gulf Shores? Pensacola? I can taste those G= ulf
shrimp now.........
Regards,
John Lawton
Whitwell, TN (TN89)
N245E - Flying - 105.5 hours
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| Subject: | Re: Rough River Fly-in |
http://www.airnav.com/airport/2I3
--- wdaniell@etb.net.co wrote:
>
> Where is rough river?
> Will
>
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| Subject: | Rough River Photo's |
Greetings Team,
Susan finished burning her photo's of Rough River to a disc and I just
finished looking at them. There are some really great photo's! Trouble is, there
are so many you'll want to see them all and the files are too big to send
efficiently via e-mail, even compressed.
If anybody wants a copy of the disc I'd be happy to mail it to you. Anybody
who wants one, send me your snail mail address to my e-mail and I'll send you
a copy.
Regards,
John Lawton
Whitwell, TN (TN89)
N245E - Flying
http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
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| Subject: | Re: Rough River Fly-in |
Just to echo everyone else, the Rough River Fly-in was great! It included flying
Europas (three monos, three tri-gears & a conventional gear/ 914s, 912Ss &
a Jabiru), and builders in all stages from "just got the kit" to "in paint".
Can't wait 'til next year & hoping for some North American DOTHs in the meantime.
If you didn't make it, put Labor Day weekend 2008 on your calendar NOW!
Jim & Heather Butcher
N241BW
do not archive
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=132526#132526
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| Subject: | Re: Re-gassing of Europa Door Gas Struts....? |
At 2007-08-31 22:47 +0100 R.C.Harrison wrote:
> Can anyone advise where there is a re-gassing service available.
>I'm sick of getting clanked on the head
Bob - you might try Draco of Bidford, who made the custom gas springs
for my trailer ramp. Seems likely that if they can make them from
scratch, they should be able to pump up a used one!
regards
Rowland
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| Rowland Carson PFA #16532 http://home.clara.net/rowil/aviation/
| 800 hours building Europa #435 G-ROWI e-mail <rowil@clara.net>
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| Subject: | Re: sort of off topic |
At 2007-09-02 18:03 +0300 steve v wrote:
>Hi, does any know of or have a link to an Europa plugin for
>Microsoft Flight Sim
Steve - I don't know about the MS toy program*, but I seem to recall
that a builder in USA was threatening to develop a Europa model for
the cross-platform X-Plane simulator:
http://www.X-Plane.com
I looked at the possibility myself briefly but have never yet had the
time to do anything serious with it - sorry!
* Although called "Flight Simulator", the MS program does not
actually model the physics/aerodynamics, unlike X-Plane or any other
simulator worthy of the name. Instead, it's based on a sort of
lookup-table of situations versus control inputs. Thus its behaviour
is only reasonably realistic in the parts of the envelope where the
programmers have noted that for the particular airframe in question
the aircraft behaves in a certain way for a given starting
configuration and pilot input. It's a great arcade game, and possibly
a reasonable (IFR) procedural practice tool, but it's not built on
the most appropriate underpinnings for a serious simulator.
regards
Rowland
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| Rowland Carson PFA #16532 http://home.clara.net/rowil/aviation/
| 800 hours building Europa #435 G-ROWI e-mail <rowil@clara.net>
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For those of you looking for something to keep the sun off most of the plane
and the occasional rain. I purchased a Kelty large sunshade, its light
weight and collapses down to about 30 inches by 6 inches in diameter. You
will also note my bird Chaser on top of the prop, keeps the pesky guys off a
nice perch!
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| Subject: | Rough River Photo's |
John,
I'd appreciate a copy of the photo, thanks. My contact details are:
1481 Sunnyridge Road
Pewaukee
Wisconsin 52072
Thanks for coming along and I am sorry that I missed your presentation on
surface buffing.
Regards, Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 10:41 AM
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: Europa-List: Rough River Photo's
Greetings Team,
Susan finished burning her photo's of Rough River to a disc and I just
finished looking at them. There are some really great photo's! Trouble is,
there are so many you'll want to see them all and the files are too big to
send efficiently via e-mail, even compressed.
If anybody wants a copy of the disc I'd be happy to mail it to you.
Anybody who wants one, send me your snail mail address to my e-mail and I'll
send you a copy.
Regards,
John Lawton
Whitwell, TN (TN89)
N245E - Flying
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| Subject: | Travel to Italy and Czecko |
Hello Bob,
Italy is great fun to fly. Look out for some Fly-In, e.g. by the Italian homebuilder
organization "Federazione C.A.P." and (try to
- not always that easy, hard to believe, eh?) communicate with the local pilots.
Find some links and information on
http://www.experimental.ch/content/view/101/23/ ...
For some a slight disadvantage - pure VFR (no comms...) requires you to stay below
1000 ft/GND always. Otherwise, just contact the
local radar - no problems for you anyway. Most military trained controllers - helpful
and nice.
Then - avoid big commercial traffic airports in Italy. Plenty of alternate neat
places - and some private fields to drop in. Other
places like Isola d'Elba, Ferrara, Firenze, or Siena are a must to see, regardless
of some taxes to expect.
In case you intend to fly to/from Switzerland - do NOT clear customs in Italy unless
required (e.g. to head south or southeast
over the Adriatic Sea or the Mediterranean Sea. Select alternate Schengen regulatory
airfields, e.g. Dornbirn in Austria - from/to
there you can head south/north over Switzerland again (nice trip - and not to high
mountains!) and avoid the regulated airspace
around Milano to the west and Bergamo to the east.
I hope that helps you planning the next trips.
Fly safe!
Regards,
-Kurt.
EAS Webmaster
http://www.experimental.ch/
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of R.C.Harrison
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 9:06 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Travel to Italy and Czecko
Hi! David
You mean when we landed there on the first 6 nations we needn't have
suffered all that continental obstructional bullsh....t and charges?
Sounds too good to be true after that experience ?
What about the exorbitant charges?
Bob H G-PTAG
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Joyce
Sent: 02 September 2007 15:38
Subject: Europa-List: Travel to Italy and Czecko
<davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Just back from a most enjoyable Italian tour to find an email from the
Director of the relevant dept of ENAC (the Italian CAA) stating that
Permit
aircraft need no special permission to fly in Italy. This follows a
similar
confirmation from the Czech CAA that they also no,longer require special
permission.
Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
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| Subject: | Re-gassing of Europa Door Gas Struts....? |
Thanks Roland.
>From Google on Draco Bidford I turned up SGS Engineering Derby.01332
298 126. They boast an impressive 24 hour turnround re-gassing service
I'll call them tomorrow.
Thanks a million.
Regards
Bob H G-PTAG
Robt.C.Harrison
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rowland &
Wilma Carson
Sent: 03 September 2007 12:17
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re-gassing of Europa Door Gas Struts....?
<rowil@clara.net>
At 2007-08-31 22:47 +0100 R.C.Harrison wrote:
> Can anyone advise where there is a re-gassing service available.
>I'm sick of getting clanked on the head
Bob - you might try Draco of Bidford, who made the custom gas springs
for my trailer ramp. Seems likely that if they can make them from
scratch, they should be able to pump up a used one!
regards
Rowland
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| Rowland Carson PFA #16532 http://home.clara.net/rowil/aviation/
| 800 hours building Europa #435 G-ROWI e-mail <rowil@clara.net>
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| Subject: | THE LAST OF THE SUMMER WINE |
The LOTSW trip is due to rendevous at Abbeville 13th Sept, with a view to r
eturning home on the 16th. It seems that the weather could well be favoura
ble.
Please contact me if you wish to take part.
Bryan Allsop
_________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: sort of off topic |
Well thanks for that, I'd never heard of x-plane untill now, shame there does not
seem to be a model available - its a long winter in Wales!
steve vestuti G-CEBV #573
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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| Subject: | Rough River Fly-in |
Posting again what I thought was forwarded already.....so now here's some pictures
too.
Hi All, :D
We just returned from the drive up to Rough River, the First Annual US Europa Fly-in.
What a perfect weekend! There were 7 Europas in attendance and 28 nice
Europa folks in all. The choice of this location was great and the weather perfect.
I have never seen a state park with such nice amenities. It had a nice 3200ft
runway. Just a short walk away was a lakeside lodge complete with a very
good and reasonably priced restaurant. They had a pool, golf course, campground,
marina, cottages, and a picnic and beach area. Donna and I got a ride with
Jeff B.and Jeff R. in their beautiful trigears. I especially enjoyed the "formation"
flight, flying right seat in "Gold Rush". I will be posting a bunch of
pix tomorrow on the gallery page in the forum watch for it. Can't wait till
next year.
Troy and Donna Maynor
N120EU Europa Monowheel Classic
Left to finish:Paint,(some) interior,engine install, (some) wiring.
Weaverville, NC USA
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
Attachments:
http://www.europaowners.org//zfiles/p9010166a_162.jpg
http://www.europaowners.org//zfiles/p9010122a_133.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: sort of off topic |
Graham Clarke of Gemin fame, an ex member, did develop a model for his
own flight sim software. He once showed me taxiing up to the hangar at
Wombleton on his laptop.I don't have an email address for him. He sold
his Europa years ago, G-EMIN
Graham
steve v wrote:
>
> Well thanks for that, I'd never heard of x-plane untill now, shame there does
not seem to be a model available - its a long winter in Wales!
>
> steve vestuti G-CEBV #573
>
>
>
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> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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--
Graham Singleton
Tel: +441629820187
Mob: +447739582005
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| Subject: | Re: Rough River Photo's |
John,
It was great to have your and Susan attend, what turned out the be a
fantastic event. We couldn't have asked for better weather, or a better
crew.
Mary and I would love to have a copy of the pictures. Details below.
Jeff Behrnes
11220 Hooper Rd
Central, LA 70818
Jeff - #2 plane in the Baby Blue Angels... :)
323 hours
TELEDYNMCS@aol.com wrote:
> Greetings Team,
>
> Susan finished burning her photo's of Rough River to a disc and I
> just finished looking at them. There are some really great photo's!
> Trouble is, there are so many you'll want to see them all and the
> files are too big to send efficiently via e-mail, even compressed.
>
> If anybody wants a copy of the disc I'd be happy to mail it to you.
> Anybody who wants one, send me your snail mail address to my e-mail
> and I'll send you a copy.
>
> Regards,
>
> John Lawton
> Whitwell, TN (TN89)
> N245E - Flying
>
>
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> <http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour/?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000982>.
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