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1. 02:06 AM - Re: sort of off topic (David Watts)
2. 02:18 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Tank leak was it empty (Alan Burrows)
3. 07:01 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Tank leak was it empty (karelvranken)
4. 10:35 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Tank leak was it empty (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen)
5. 10:38 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Tank leak was it empty (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen)
6. 05:24 PM - Fuel sight gauges (Fred Klein)
7. 07:20 PM - Re: Fuel sight gauges (rampil)
8. 09:28 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Tank leak was it empty (Steve Hagar)
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| Subject: | Re: sort of off topic |
Steve,
sorry it's taken a while to reply, I took this message on another computer
and then forgot about it.
You can get a Europa XS flight simulator (a Tri-gear version) for the
Microsoft Flight Sim at the following site.
http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/syb.cgi?section=props&file=Europa_XS.zip
Dave Watts
G-BXDY
----- Original Message -----
From: "steve v " <s.vestuti@virgin.net>
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: sort of off topic
>
> Well thanks for that, I'd never heard of x-plane untill now, shame there
> does not seem to be a model available - its a long winter in Wales!
>
> steve vestuti G-CEBV #573
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| Subject: | RE: Fuel Tank leak was it empty |
Hi Svein
I think they all seem to do that. It's very noticeable with the wings
removed when you peer into the "space", so I wouldnt worry to much about
the swelling. If Ron is correct however, then I wouldnt leave it empty for
any period of time from now on. Just my opinion.
Cheers
Alan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sidsel & Svein
Johnsen
Sent: 05 September 2007 19:43
Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Fuel Tank leak was it empty
<sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no>
Ron, Alan,
I flushed my tank with salt water (to fascilitate removing swarf after
opening holes) and then with fuel before fitting the tank into the cockpit
module. Left the fuel (full tank) in for abt one week to check if any
pinhole leaks. Thereafter it was left empty/dry for about 3 1/2 years. I
now have 35 hours flight time and 45 landings (none hard - yet!). No
cracking of the tank, but it shows clear signs of bulging around the spacers
on the inside of the seat backs, which is a bit worrying although I
understand it is to be expected.
Best regards,
Svein
LN-SKJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 7:13 PM
Subject: Europa-List: RE: Fuel Tank leak was it empty
> <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
>
> Hi Ron
>
> Yes my tank was emptied for the journey from UK to the U.S. in fact it was
> empty for a period of about 2 months!
> I wonder if its worth asking the community the same question about other
> tank leaks, because its certainly information that should be shared if it
> was the cause of my leak.
> Has anyone else got a similar story?
> Kind Regards
>
> Alan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us [mailto:rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us]
> Sent: 20 August 2007 19:42
> To: Alan Burrows
> Subject: Fuel Tank leak was it empty
>
> Hello Alan
>
> Was your tank ever empty of fuel after fuel had once been in it? (perhaps
> you flushed tank with fuel during build and then after a while emptied?)
>
> Thinking by some is that will cause tank to shrink and can cuase cracking?
>
> Thx.
> Sincerely
> Ron Parigoris
>
>
> 09:05
>
>
> 22:36
>
>
>
22:36
14:55
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Fuel Tank leak was it empty |
Svein,
It was Nigel Charles who mentioned it for the first time already a couple of
years ago. He specified that the capacity raised by 6-7 liters but that is
up to every body in particular to remeasure the contents. I am also used to
keep it plenished to avoid eventual condensation. Anyway it is a point in my
checklist and easy for those who rig and derig for every flight, like I do.
Regards,
Karel Vranken.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:17 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: RE: Fuel Tank leak was it empty
> <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
>
> Hi Svein
>
> I think they all seem to do that. It's very noticeable with the wings
> removed when you peer into the "space", so I wouldnt worry to much about
> the swelling. If Ron is correct however, then I wouldnt leave it empty
> for
> any period of time from now on. Just my opinion.
> Cheers
>
> Alan
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Fuel Tank leak was it empty |
Thanks, Alan. I agree on not leaving the tank empty. Easy enough - fly
often!
Best regards,
Svein
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:17 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: RE: Fuel Tank leak was it empty
> <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
>
> Hi Svein
>
> I think they all seem to do that. It's very noticeable with the wings
> removed when you peer into the "space", so I wouldnt worry to much about
> the swelling. If Ron is correct however, then I wouldnt leave it empty
> for
> any period of time from now on. Just my opinion.
> Cheers
>
> Alan
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Fuel Tank leak was it empty |
Karel,
Interesting - will remember this for next year's annual (just completed this
year's) and then re-measure the quantity and re-calibrate the sight tube
volume marks.
Best regards,
Svein
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "karelvranken" <karelvranken@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Fuel Tank leak was it empty
> <karelvranken@hotmail.com>
>
> Svein,
> It was Nigel Charles who mentioned it for the first time already a couple
> of years ago. He specified that the capacity raised by 6-7 liters but that
> is up to every body in particular to remeasure the contents. I am also
> used to keep it plenished to avoid eventual condensation. Anyway it is a
> point in my checklist and easy for those who rig and derig for every
> flight, like I do.
> Regards,
> Karel Vranken.
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| Subject: | Fuel sight gauges |
All,
I forward the following from Vance Atkinson for general information:
Fred Klein wrote:
> Hi Vance,
>
> I understand from the Europa grapevine that you will sell your
> proprietary float balls separately from your complete sight gauge
> kits. If this is so, I am looking for float balls suitable for 1/4"
> i.d. polyurethane tubing and, if you have a larger size, suitable for
> clear PVC pipe w/ 0.33" i.d. (sold by ACS as P/N 03-54100, Quickie
> sight gauge). Please let me know costs and means of getting payment to
> you; I do not use paypal and would prefer sending you a check or m.o.
>
> Also, I'd be most appreciative if you can verify that these float
> balls and their finish will NOT deteriorate when using mogas.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Fred
>
>
I have 3mm 4mm and 6mm at $5.00 each.... they were fine in auto gas
but now the oil companies are putting all kinds of stuff in there so
you are on your own.. On a brighter note, all the EZs that are
running auto gas have not had any problems with the floats.. I have a
test case at 5 yrs with auto fuel and no sign of degradation (thats
auto fuel 5 yrs old, not the new stuff) . They are made of cork. Av
gas is of course good to go.
My new web site for the gauges I make is www.atkinsonfuelgauges.com
if you want to spread that around or need some info about them.
You can send me a check;
vance atkinson
3604 willomet ct
bedford TX 76021
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel sight gauges |
Ethanol will seriously degrade the binders in cork products.
--------
Ira N224XS
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133179#133179
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| Subject: | RE: Fuel Tank leak was it empty |
I don't know if this is a continuation of my issue of my fuel tank crack
that I wrote about on the 16 th of August but the crack showed up after
refilling a tank that had been previously always kept full. My estimate is
that it was empty for about 5 or 6 weeks in a pretty hot AZ garage.
Probably over 100 F every day.
Steve
> [Original Message]
> From: Alan Burrows <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
> To: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
> Date: 9/5/2007 10:18:54 AM
> Subject: Europa-List: RE: Fuel Tank leak was it empty
>
<alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
>
> Hi Ron
>
> Yes my tank was emptied for the journey from UK to the U.S. in fact it was
> empty for a period of about 2 months!
> I wonder if its worth asking the community the same question about other
> tank leaks, because its certainly information that should be shared if it
> was the cause of my leak.
> Has anyone else got a similar story?
> Kind Regards
>
> Alan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us [mailto:rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us]
> Sent: 20 August 2007 19:42
> To: Alan Burrows
> Subject: Fuel Tank leak was it empty
>
> Hello Alan
>
> Was your tank ever empty of fuel after fuel had once been in it? (perhaps
> you flushed tank with fuel during build and then after a while emptied?)
>
> Thinking by some is that will cause tank to shrink and can cuase cracking?
>
> Thx.
> Sincerely
> Ron Parigoris
>
>
> 09:05
>
>
> 22:36
>
>
>
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