---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 09/06/07: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:06 AM - Re: sort of off topic (David Watts) 2. 02:18 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Tank leak was it empty (Alan Burrows) 3. 07:01 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Tank leak was it empty (karelvranken) 4. 10:35 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Tank leak was it empty (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen) 5. 10:38 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Tank leak was it empty (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen) 6. 05:24 PM - Fuel sight gauges (Fred Klein) 7. 07:20 PM - Re: Fuel sight gauges (rampil) 8. 09:28 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Tank leak was it empty (Steve Hagar) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:06:45 AM PST US From: "David Watts" Subject: Re: Europa-List: sort of off topic Steve, sorry it's taken a while to reply, I took this message on another computer and then forgot about it. You can get a Europa XS flight simulator (a Tri-gear version) for the Microsoft Flight Sim at the following site. http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/syb.cgi?section=props&file=Europa_XS.zip Dave Watts G-BXDY ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve v " Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 10:14 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: sort of off topic > > Well thanks for that, I'd never heard of x-plane untill now, shame there > does not seem to be a model available - its a long winter in Wales! > > steve vestuti G-CEBV #573 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:18:32 AM PST US From: "Alan Burrows" Subject: RE: Europa-List: RE: Fuel Tank leak was it empty Hi Svein I think they all seem to do that. It's very noticeable with the wings removed when you peer into the "space", so I wouldnt worry to much about the swelling. If Ron is correct however, then I wouldnt leave it empty for any period of time from now on. Just my opinion. Cheers Alan -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sidsel & Svein Johnsen Sent: 05 September 2007 19:43 Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Fuel Tank leak was it empty Ron, Alan, I flushed my tank with salt water (to fascilitate removing swarf after opening holes) and then with fuel before fitting the tank into the cockpit module. Left the fuel (full tank) in for abt one week to check if any pinhole leaks. Thereafter it was left empty/dry for about 3 1/2 years. I now have 35 hours flight time and 45 landings (none hard - yet!). No cracking of the tank, but it shows clear signs of bulging around the spacers on the inside of the seat backs, which is a bit worrying although I understand it is to be expected. Best regards, Svein LN-SKJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Burrows" Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 7:13 PM Subject: Europa-List: RE: Fuel Tank leak was it empty > > > Hi Ron > > Yes my tank was emptied for the journey from UK to the U.S. in fact it was > empty for a period of about 2 months! > I wonder if its worth asking the community the same question about other > tank leaks, because its certainly information that should be shared if it > was the cause of my leak. > Has anyone else got a similar story? > Kind Regards > > Alan > > -----Original Message----- > From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us [mailto:rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us] > Sent: 20 August 2007 19:42 > To: Alan Burrows > Subject: Fuel Tank leak was it empty > > Hello Alan > > Was your tank ever empty of fuel after fuel had once been in it? (perhaps > you flushed tank with fuel during build and then after a while emptied?) > > Thinking by some is that will cause tank to shrink and can cuase cracking? > > Thx. > Sincerely > Ron Parigoris > > > 09:05 > > > 22:36 > > > 22:36 14:55 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:01:40 AM PST US From: "karelvranken" Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Fuel Tank leak was it empty Svein, It was Nigel Charles who mentioned it for the first time already a couple of years ago. He specified that the capacity raised by 6-7 liters but that is up to every body in particular to remeasure the contents. I am also used to keep it plenished to avoid eventual condensation. Anyway it is a point in my checklist and easy for those who rig and derig for every flight, like I do. Regards, Karel Vranken. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Burrows" Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:17 AM Subject: RE: Europa-List: RE: Fuel Tank leak was it empty > > > Hi Svein > > I think they all seem to do that. It's very noticeable with the wings > removed when you peer into the "space", so I wouldnt worry to much about > the swelling. If Ron is correct however, then I wouldnt leave it empty > for > any period of time from now on. Just my opinion. > Cheers > > Alan ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:35:41 AM PST US From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Fuel Tank leak was it empty Thanks, Alan. I agree on not leaving the tank empty. Easy enough - fly often! Best regards, Svein do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Burrows" Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:17 AM Subject: RE: Europa-List: RE: Fuel Tank leak was it empty > > > Hi Svein > > I think they all seem to do that. It's very noticeable with the wings > removed when you peer into the "space", so I wouldnt worry to much about > the swelling. If Ron is correct however, then I wouldnt leave it empty > for > any period of time from now on. Just my opinion. > Cheers > > Alan > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:38:32 AM PST US From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Fuel Tank leak was it empty Karel, Interesting - will remember this for next year's annual (just completed this year's) and then re-measure the quantity and re-calibrate the sight tube volume marks. Best regards, Svein do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "karelvranken" Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 4:09 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Fuel Tank leak was it empty > > > Svein, > It was Nigel Charles who mentioned it for the first time already a couple > of years ago. He specified that the capacity raised by 6-7 liters but that > is up to every body in particular to remeasure the contents. I am also > used to keep it plenished to avoid eventual condensation. Anyway it is a > point in my checklist and easy for those who rig and derig for every > flight, like I do. > Regards, > Karel Vranken. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:24:56 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Fuel sight gauges From: Fred Klein All, I forward the following from Vance Atkinson for general information: Fred Klein wrote: > Hi Vance, > > I understand from the Europa grapevine that you will sell your > proprietary float balls separately from your complete sight gauge > kits. If this is so, I am looking for float balls suitable for 1/4" > i.d. polyurethane tubing and, if you have a larger size, suitable for > clear PVC pipe w/ 0.33" i.d. (sold by ACS as P/N 03-54100, Quickie > sight gauge). Please let me know costs and means of getting payment to > you; I do not use paypal and would prefer sending you a check or m.o. > > Also, I'd be most appreciative if you can verify that these float > balls and their finish will NOT deteriorate when using mogas. > > Thanks, > > Fred > > I have 3mm 4mm and 6mm at $5.00 each.... they were fine in auto gas but now the oil companies are putting all kinds of stuff in there so you are on your own.. On a brighter note, all the EZs that are running auto gas have not had any problems with the floats.. I have a test case at 5 yrs with auto fuel and no sign of degradation (thats auto fuel 5 yrs old, not the new stuff) . They are made of cork. Av gas is of course good to go. My new web site for the gauges I make is www.atkinsonfuelgauges.com if you want to spread that around or need some info about them. You can send me a check; vance atkinson 3604 willomet ct bedford TX 76021 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:20:46 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Fuel sight gauges From: "rampil" Ethanol will seriously degrade the binders in cork products. -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133179#133179 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:28:27 PM PST US From: "Steve Hagar" Subject: RE: Europa-List: RE: Fuel Tank leak was it empty I don't know if this is a continuation of my issue of my fuel tank crack that I wrote about on the 16 th of August but the crack showed up after refilling a tank that had been previously always kept full. My estimate is that it was empty for about 5 or 6 weeks in a pretty hot AZ garage. Probably over 100 F every day. Steve > [Original Message] > From: Alan Burrows > To: > Date: 9/5/2007 10:18:54 AM > Subject: Europa-List: RE: Fuel Tank leak was it empty > > > Hi Ron > > Yes my tank was emptied for the journey from UK to the U.S. in fact it was > empty for a period of about 2 months! > I wonder if its worth asking the community the same question about other > tank leaks, because its certainly information that should be shared if it > was the cause of my leak. > Has anyone else got a similar story? > Kind Regards > > Alan > > -----Original Message----- > From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us [mailto:rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us] > Sent: 20 August 2007 19:42 > To: Alan Burrows > Subject: Fuel Tank leak was it empty > > Hello Alan > > Was your tank ever empty of fuel after fuel had once been in it? (perhaps > you flushed tank with fuel during build and then after a while emptied?) > > Thinking by some is that will cause tank to shrink and can cuase cracking? > > Thx. > Sincerely > Ron Parigoris > > > 09:05 > > > 22:36 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.