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4. 02:25 AM - Mod 74 experience (Mark Burton)
5. 03:02 AM - Re: Mod 74 (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
6. 05:14 AM - Re: Tail plane torque tube installation (William Harrison)
7. 06:50 AM - The Factory Fuel Sight Gauge (Carl Pattinson)
8. 06:53 AM - Re: Tail plane torque tube installation (mau11@free.fr)
9. 07:10 AM - Re: The Factory Fuel Sight Gauge (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
10. 07:17 AM - Torque Tube clamps..... (R.C.Harrison)
11. 08:08 AM - Locktite grades (Was Tail plane torque tube installation) (Gerry Cole)
12. 09:17 AM - Re: The Factory Fuel Sight Gauge (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen)
13. 10:40 AM - Re: The Factory Fuel Sight Gauge (Carl Pattinson)
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15. 12:37 PM - Re: The Factory Fuel Sight Gauge (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
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To anybody who hasn't yet started on their Mod 74 Wing Pin replacement.
You may be interested to know that the Europa factory yesterday posted a
modified Mod 74. This now allows you to gain access to the pin through
the flap closeout (provided you have the room for the layup) and
therefore does not trash your much strived for skin surface finish.
Dave Watts,
G-BXDY Flying, 1250 hours and grounded for a couple of days to do Mod 74
(and it's nice and sunny out there. Grrrrrr !!!!!)
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| Subject: | Re: sort of off topic |
Thanks Dave, i would never have found it, i wonder whose A/C they modeled the walnut
panel on...
steve vestuti G-CEBV #573
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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Hi! Dave
Now you tell us !
I requested consideration of this and was informed it was a "no go" .
So I did it the original way due to urgently needing to build some test
and flight hours and you are saying Grrrrrrrr"!!!!!!!!!!? You should
think how I feel !
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG Kit 337 Rotax 914.
Robt.C.Harrison
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Watts
Sent: 08 September 2007 08:55
Subject: Europa-List: Mod 74
To anybody who hasn't yet started on their Mod 74 Wing Pin replacement.
You may be interested to know that the Europa factory yesterday posted a
modified Mod 74. This now allows you to gain access to the pin through
the flap closeout (provided you have the room for the layup) and
therefore does not trash your much strived for skin surface finish.
Dave Watts,
G-BXDY Flying, 1250 hours and grounded for a couple of days to do Mod 74
(and it's nice and sunny out there. Grrrrrr !!!!!)
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| Subject: | Mod 74 experience |
I have just done Mod 74 and you may be interested in our experience.
To remove the pins we simply cut a piece of the foil covered insulating material
about 8" in diameter and made a hole in the center the same size as the pin
- with that in place, a short blast with a heat gun on the pin soon made the glue
soft enough so that mole-grips on the pin would make it move - work it back
and forward a few times and it will come unscrewed. The surrounding structure
was barely warm.
I was helped by someone who is very experienced in composite construction/repair
(he repairs seriously broken gliders for a living) and he was unhappy with the
mod as described due to the placement of the hole so near to the flap plate
and the rather short taper of the skin in that region. So we moved the hole 10mm
further outboard and used a smaller hole (less than 2" dia).
We didn't use locktite to fix the pins but, instead, bonded the pin/washer/nut
assemblies in in one operation with the wings rigged. We thought that this would
remove the possibility of a pin becoming un-aligned if done as per the instructions.
As this is the third set of pins to be installed in my aircraft, they
were a bit loose in the threads and so we thought that this was the safest option
to ensure perfect alignment.
Apart from the final tweaking of the nuts, the job can be done with the wings off
and then rig, put all the pins in and then tighten the nuts down (not too tight).
To tighten the nuts we used a socket with universal joint drive. That worked fine
but if you try the same thing and it won't fit, it's OK to open up the hole
in the outboard and forward directions - don't make the hole bigger towards the
root or trailing edges. Take care to not damage the original foam under the
edge of the hole.
We actually used two-part foam to fill the cavity - it was very quick and produced
a perfect job. If you want to do the same, make sure that the expanding foam
you have is compatible with the blue foam and doesn't eat it!
The layups were completely symetrical around the hole and round in shape. The layups
did not quite reach either the flap bracket or the trailing edge.
After the layups cured, we made good with filler and then, finally, put white Fablon(tm)
patches over the top and it doesn't look too ugly at all. Perhaps, sometime
in the future, I will re-gel those areas.
I don't know how easy the job would be going through the flap closeout but as we
did it, it was very straightforward and I believe the end result to be structurally
more sound than if we had carried out the instructions to the letter.
Obviously, if you want to stray from the official guidelines you have to have
expert advice.
Cheers,
Mark
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133367#133367
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And it's dead easy!, even if the hole is made slightly smaller (2").
Duncan McF
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: David Watts
To: Europa Forum
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 8:54 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Mod 74
To anybody who hasn't yet started on their Mod 74 Wing Pin
replacement.
You may be interested to know that the Europa factory yesterday posted
a modified Mod 74. This now allows you to gain access to the pin through
the flap closeout (provided you have the room for the layup) and
therefore does not trash your much strived for skin surface finish.
Dave Watts,
G-BXDY Flying, 1250 hours and grounded for a couple of days to do Mod
74 (and it's nice and sunny out there. Grrrrrr !!!!!)
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| Subject: | Re: Tail plane torque tube installation |
The thing about 603 is that it is low viscosity and will wick into an
already-assembled joint (BTW, having been designed to wick into small
gaps, it will of course go where you don't want it if given half a
chance, so be careful not to get any in the bushes). None of my local
hardware stores stocked 603 but I found an internet vendor through
Google quite easily.
As with any other assembly adhesive, the important thing is to
degrease as best you can before applying the loctite. Another poster
has described using carburettor cleaner to flush out the joint of any
oil/dirt/grease and that is what I plan to do (although I am holding
fire for a bit longer to see if E04 or the PFA come out with
something definitive about the subject).
PS, a little bird tells me that there is a probable change to the
tailplane inspection interval to increase it to 50 hours. Anyone know
any more about this?
Best wishes
Willie Harrison
G-BZNY
On 8 Sep 2007, at 03:22, Fred Klein wrote:
>
> Sorry for my naive question about Loctite...I'm now deep in the
> world of loctite and seeking a local source for the correct
> type...Fred
>
> On Friday, September 7, 2007, at 05:30 PM, Fred Klein wrote:
>
>> <fklein@orcasonline.com>
>>
>> Paul McAllister mentions Loctite 603...I have only Loctite 243 and
>> 271...both are red; #271 is labeled "high strength" and
>> "strengthens slip and light press fits".
>>
>> Does anyone know the significance of the various numbers and
>> whether or not #603 has special attributes which would enhance its
>> effectiveness over the others?
>>
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| Subject: | The Factory Fuel Sight Gauge |
Many builders avoided this nightmare and fitted a capaticance or other
similar gauge.
We originally figured that fitting a fuel flow meter would be sufficient
along with the factory sight gauge. Our reasoning was that as long as the
rear wheel was raised such that the aircraft was level (we use a spirit
level to check this) the sight gauge ought to be reasonably accurate - for
refuelling purposes only.
Last weekend we fuelled the aircraft with 40 litres of fuel on top of the 15
already in the tank (15 l is our minimum safety level - ie: 11 in the
reserve plus 4). The sight gauge indicated 15 l beforewe refuelled and 55 l
after which is what we expected. The estimated flight time was just over 2
hrs excluding arrival and departure.
As soon as we took off the sight gauge indicated the tank to be virtually
empty which caused a degree of worry (you can never be certain there isnt a
leak !!!). This lack of fuel continued throughout the flight and on the
return. Before we put the plane to bed we re checked the levels and as
expected there were 20 litres remaining (having used 35l according to the
Fuel Flow meter). So far so good !!!
Yesterday we planned for a similar trip and started to refuell with 2x 20
litre cans. About halfway through the second can the fller tube filled up
and we ended with fuel everywhere. Assuming this was nothing more than an
airlock we lifted the tailplane to shoulder height (it is a momowheel) in
the belief that this would clear the blockage - IT DIDNT !. The tank
appeared to be full whatever we did.
So we drained off 20 litres through the drain valve and rechecked the
levels - guess what - 45 litres !!! The tank holds at least 75 litres (it is
one of the originals). 75-20 should be 55 litres. So we put back all 20
litres without any problem.
Then as soon as we took off the gauge indicated empty!
We should point out that as part of our refuelling check we first blow
through the vent pipe (that enters at the top of the tank) to clear it and
then we blow back the fuel down the sight gauge till air bubbles into the
tank to clear any possible airlocks. In theory this should ensure an
accurate reading.
The problem seems to be that the filler pipe has what is in effect a U bend
which fills up with fuel and it seems that the breather pipe is prone to a
similar problem - despite blowing through both to clear them.
If this theory is true then as soon as the fuel pumps start delivering fuel
to the engine this will create a partial vacuum in the tank which would
explain the low sight gauge reading.
Has anyone else had a similar problem or are we the only ones using the old
style gauge. We are aware that some of the sight gauges are fitted to the
seat backs but according to the above reasoning this problem would still
exist.
Any suggestions ? (other than retrofitting another type of gauge). We have
enough on our hands with mod 74 !
One thing we were considering is replacing the filler pipe with clear
plastic fuel tube (it is available) - at least it would be easier to
diagnose the problem.
Carl & Dot
G-LABS
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| Subject: | Tail plane torque tube installation |
Hi all,
The main loctite 603 problem is the very short time to work, personnaly I prefer
the 638 because the timework is long and you have time to adjust the differents
parts together.
Michel Auvray
Builder 145
Selon Paul McAllister <paul.mcallister@qia.net>:
> <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
> Fred,
>
> The Europa factory has been doing testing with Loctite 603 under the
> guidance of Andy Draper. Its the one to use, its not expenisve, around the
> 10~12 dollar mark.
>
> Paul
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fred Klein
> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 7:31 PM
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tail plane torque tube installation
>
>
>
> Paul McAllister mentions Loctite 603...I have only Loctite 243 and
> 271...both are red; #271 is labeled "high strength" and "strengthens
> slip and light press fits".
>
> Does anyone know the significance of the various numbers and whether or
> not #603 has special attributes which would enhance its effectiveness
> over the others?
>
> Fred
> A194
>
> On Friday, September 7, 2007, at 03:56 PM, Paul McAllister wrote:
>
> > I have just applied Loctite 603 to my TP12's and TP9 (assembled, in
> > position) by forcing it in via a very short bristled artists bush.
>
>
> --
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| Subject: | Re: The Factory Fuel Sight Gauge |
In a message dated 9/8/2007 8:51:27 AM Central Daylight Time,
carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk writes:
As soon as we took off the sight gauge indicated the tank to be virtually
empty which caused a degree of worry (you can never be certain there isnt a
leak !!!). This lack of fuel continued throughout the flight and on the
return.
Hi Carl
Is the small Baffle / Restrictor inserted in the line between the sight gauge
and tank? Part number FS02
It is there to minimize the sloshing around and help stabilize the sight
gauge.
Brian Skelly
Europa XS TriGear #A276
North Texas USA
You can see my build photos at:
http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
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| Subject: | Torque Tube clamps..... |
Hi! Would Steve Vestuti please contact Bob Harrison Off the list since
we have news near re:- Clamp Mod. and the e-mail addres I have is
getting mail returned "unknown "?
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
Robt.C.Harrison
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| Subject: | Locktite grades (Was Tail plane torque tube installation) |
I've found information on all the Loctite adhesives on www.bearingboys.co.uk/Buy-Loctite.
Loctite 603 is a low viscosity, fast curing, oil tolerant adhesive used for bonding
rigid metal
assemblies. Ideal for gap distances up to 0.2mm (8 thou) .... it easily joins dissimilar
metals
....
Loctite 243 is a removable strength, general-purpose threadlocking adhesive......
Loctite 638 is a maximum strength retaining compound. Used where high dynamic forces
or cyclic
loading is expected. Locks cylindrical assemblies from 0.05mm to 0.25mm (2 to 10
thou) radial
clearance.
There is information on the site for all the other loctite adhesives but I
think this is an
area where we need to stick with Europa's specifications.
Gerry Cole (europa 121)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 1:30 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tail plane torque tube installation
> Paul McAllister mentions Loctite 603...I have only Loctite 243 and 271...both
are red; #271 is
> labeled "high strength" and "strengthens slip and light press fits".
>
> Does anyone know the significance of the various numbers and whether or not #603
has special
> attributes which would enhance its effectiveness over the others?
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| Subject: | Re: The Factory Fuel Sight Gauge |
Carl,
I have experienced similar problem as you describe. I have the sight tube
between the seat backs, and I often got the same mis-readings and sudden
drops in the air even though I first blew the vent tubes exactly as you
describe.
I suspected that fuel remained in the tube going over the fuel tank (under
the top of the cockpit module) and back up alongside the filler pipe. Even
with my trigear, on the ground there is a slight aft-down pitch attitude, so
a "U" was formed there. Evidently, fuel still remained there at level
cruise.
I have cured the problem by new routing of the gauge tube from the top front
of the cockpit module (where it used to go into the cockpit module). I cut
the tube there, and instead used a copper tube going up along the front face
of the cockpit module, into the right head rest through a hole drilled in
the inner side near the fore left corner of the head rest, and continuing
always up-up-up through the outer side of the head rest near the rear right
corner and joining the original tube further up. Joined to the original
sight tube both ends by inserting the copper tube into it and securing with
small hose clamp. Painted copper tube where visible in colour matching the
upholstery.
Thus, I no longer have the "U" previously exisiting on top of the fuel tank,
and the gauge reads just fine.
///
Have you tried a good side slip after climb-out? Another Europa (monowheel)
here in Norway does that to get rid of the fuel in his "U" in the gauge tube
(I tried it, but my "U" was probably too deep - or perhaps I did'nt dear to
slip hard enough!)
Best regards,
Svein
LN-SKJ (test flying completed - regular airworthiness certificate received)
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| Subject: | Re: The Factory Fuel Sight Gauge |
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" <sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no>
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: The Factory Fuel Sight Gauge
> <sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no>
>
> Carl,
>
> I have experienced similar problem as you describe. I have the sight tube
> between the seat backs, and I often got the same mis-readings and sudden
> drops in the air even though I first blew the vent tubes exactly as you
> describe.
>
> I suspected that fuel remained in the tube going over the fuel tank (under
> the top of the cockpit module) and back up alongside the filler pipe.
> Even
> with my trigear, on the ground there is a slight aft-down pitch attitude,
> so
> a "U" was formed there. Evidently, fuel still remained there at level
> cruise.
>
> I have cured the problem by new routing of the gauge tube from the top
> front
> of the cockpit module (where it used to go into the cockpit module). I
> cut
> the tube there, and instead used a copper tube going up along the front
> face
> of the cockpit module, into the right head rest through a hole drilled in
> the inner side near the fore left corner of the head rest, and continuing
> always up-up-up through the outer side of the head rest near the rear
> right
> corner and joining the original tube further up. Joined to the original
> sight tube both ends by inserting the copper tube into it and securing
> with
> small hose clamp. Painted copper tube where visible in colour matching
> the
> upholstery.
>
> Thus, I no longer have the "U" previously exisiting on top of the fuel
> tank,
> and the gauge reads just fine.
>
> ///
>
> Have you tried a good side slip after climb-out? Another Europa
> (monowheel)
> here in Norway does that to get rid of the fuel in his "U" in the gauge
> tube
> (I tried it, but my "U" was probably too deep - or perhaps I did'nt dear
> to
> slip hard enough!)
>
> Best regards,
> Svein
> LN-SKJ (test flying completed - regular airworthiness certificate
> received)
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: The Factory Fuel Sight Gauge |
The solution for us would seem to be in somehow re routing the pressure
equalising tube to eliminate any U bends. At present there would seem to be
no means of pressure equalisation within the tank itself. The sight tube and
its return line would have little effect on this.
You seem to have cured your problem by re routing the return line of the
sight tube but not sure if this would work for us as we dont have the sight
tube against the seat back (as with yours).
What is most puzzling is that this is a relatively recent occurrence, having
had 5 relatively trouble free years of flying with the present arrangement.
It is just possible that the extension tube which is fitted within the fuel
tank (mod ???) to ensure the pressure equalisation tube is at the top of the
tank has fallen off but it is relatively easy to check this.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" <sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no>
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: The Factory Fuel Sight Gauge
> <sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no>
>
> Carl,
>
> I have experienced similar problem as you describe. I have the sight tube
> between the seat backs, and I often got the same mis-readings and sudden
> drops in the air even though I first blew the vent tubes exactly as you
> describe.
>
> I suspected that fuel remained in the tube going over the fuel tank (under
> the top of the cockpit module) and back up alongside the filler pipe.
> Even
> with my trigear, on the ground there is a slight aft-down pitch attitude,
> so
> a "U" was formed there. Evidently, fuel still remained there at level
> cruise.
>
> I have cured the problem by new routing of the gauge tube from the top
> front
> of the cockpit module (where it used to go into the cockpit module). I
> cut
> the tube there, and instead used a copper tube going up along the front
> face
> of the cockpit module, into the right head rest through a hole drilled in
> the inner side near the fore left corner of the head rest, and continuing
> always up-up-up through the outer side of the head rest near the rear
> right
> corner and joining the original tube further up. Joined to the original
> sight tube both ends by inserting the copper tube into it and securing
> with
> small hose clamp. Painted copper tube where visible in colour matching
> the
> upholstery.
>
> Thus, I no longer have the "U" previously exisiting on top of the fuel
> tank,
> and the gauge reads just fine.
>
> ///
>
> Have you tried a good side slip after climb-out? Another Europa
> (monowheel)
> here in Norway does that to get rid of the fuel in his "U" in the gauge
> tube
> (I tried it, but my "U" was probably too deep - or perhaps I did'nt dear
> to
> slip hard enough!)
>
> Best regards,
> Svein
> LN-SKJ (test flying completed - regular airworthiness certificate
> received)
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: The Factory Fuel Sight Gauge |
Carl,
One possibility is that one or both of the seals on your filler cap is not
effective.
The fuel gauge symptoms you describe are the same as leaving the fuel cap
off altogether, whereupon the relatively low pressure in the vicinity of the
fuel filler cap in flight immediately sucks the sight gauge to zero.
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carl Pattinson" <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 2:48 PM
Subject: Europa-List: The Factory Fuel Sight Gauge
> <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> Many builders avoided this nightmare and fitted a capaticance or other
> similar gauge.
>
> We originally figured that fitting a fuel flow meter would be sufficient
> along with the factory sight gauge. Our reasoning was that as long as the
> rear wheel was raised such that the aircraft was level (we use a spirit
> level to check this) the sight gauge ought to be reasonably accurate - for
> refuelling purposes only.
>
> Last weekend we fuelled the aircraft with 40 litres of fuel on top of the
> 15 already in the tank (15 l is our minimum safety level - ie: 11 in the
> reserve plus 4). The sight gauge indicated 15 l beforewe refuelled and 55
> l after which is what we expected. The estimated flight time was just
> over 2 hrs excluding arrival and departure.
>
> As soon as we took off the sight gauge indicated the tank to be virtually
> empty which caused a degree of worry (you can never be certain there isnt
> a leak !!!). This lack of fuel continued throughout the flight and on the
> return. Before we put the plane to bed we re checked the levels and as
> expected there were 20 litres remaining (having used 35l according to the
> Fuel Flow meter). So far so good !!!
>
> Yesterday we planned for a similar trip and started to refuell with 2x 20
> litre cans. About halfway through the second can the fller tube filled up
> and we ended with fuel everywhere. Assuming this was nothing more than an
> airlock we lifted the tailplane to shoulder height (it is a momowheel) in
> the belief that this would clear the blockage - IT DIDNT !. The tank
> appeared to be full whatever we did.
>
> So we drained off 20 litres through the drain valve and rechecked the
> levels - guess what - 45 litres !!! The tank holds at least 75 litres (it
> is one of the originals). 75-20 should be 55 litres. So we put back all 20
> litres without any problem.
>
> Then as soon as we took off the gauge indicated empty!
>
> We should point out that as part of our refuelling check we first blow
> through the vent pipe (that enters at the top of the tank) to clear it and
> then we blow back the fuel down the sight gauge till air bubbles into the
> tank to clear any possible airlocks. In theory this should ensure an
> accurate reading.
>
> The problem seems to be that the filler pipe has what is in effect a U
> bend which fills up with fuel and it seems that the breather pipe is prone
> to a similar problem - despite blowing through both to clear them.
>
> If this theory is true then as soon as the fuel pumps start delivering
> fuel to the engine this will create a partial vacuum in the tank which
> would explain the low sight gauge reading.
>
> Has anyone else had a similar problem or are we the only ones using the
> old style gauge. We are aware that some of the sight gauges are fitted to
> the seat backs but according to the above reasoning this problem would
> still exist.
>
> Any suggestions ? (other than retrofitting another type of gauge). We have
> enough on our hands with mod 74 !
>
> One thing we were considering is replacing the filler pipe with clear
> plastic fuel tube (it is available) - at least it would be easier to
> diagnose the problem.
>
> Carl & Dot
> G-LABS
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Tri-gear flap motor |
I have an intermittent functioning of the flap drive motor.
In the past this has been related to lubricant on the end bearing
contaminating the commutator. Cleaning of the commutator has effected a
cure.
Not this time it seems. Although a bit of a jarring tends to fix it.
I suspect the short as-supplied connecting wires emanating from the motor.
But intermittent electrical faults are the most difficult to find.
Anyone else had this?
Duncan Mcf.
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| Subject: | New Realtime Spell Checker Added To Matronics Forums! |
Dear Listers,
Today 9/8/2007 I have added a new real-time spell checker function to all of the
BBS Forums at Matronics. When you reply or create a new message on the Forums,
you will notice that misspelled words will be high-lighted in yellow. If
you left-click on the word, you will be prompted with a drop-down list of suggested
spellings.
http://forums.matronics.com
Enjoy!
Matt Dralle
Matornics Email List and Forum Administrator
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| Subject: | Re: Torque Tube clamps..... |
Done.
steve vestuti G-CEBV #573.
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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| Subject: | Re: The Factory Fuel Sight Gauge |
Just Thought i would add my "short" experience with the standard
sight gauge here,
i have a tri gear with a compleatly standard text book
intallation with the tube visable in the port footwell, on the
ground the gauge reads fine, airbourne it reads empty - it has done this
from day one. i intend shortly to dissconnect it and fit a stop end to the tank
as my fuel flow meter is accurate to within half a litre.
could the empty reading in flight be due to acceleration as the tube runs forward
B4 running verticaly?
Steve vestuti G-CEBV #573.
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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David or anyone
I could not find the modified version of Mod 74 on the Factory Web site
under Mod 74 so -----
Just where did Europa post the modified version of Mod 74 Wing Pin
Replacemet please?)
JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 in Oz
----- Original Message -----
From: David Watts
To: Europa Forum
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 5:54 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Mod 74
To anybody who hasn't yet started on their Mod 74 Wing Pin
replacement.
You may be interested to know that the Europa factory yesterday posted
a modified Mod 74. This now allows you to gain access to the pin through
the flap closeout (provided you have the room for the layup) and
therefore does not trash your much strived for skin surface finish.
Dave Watts,
G-BXDY Flying, 1250 hours and grounded for a couple of days to do Mod
74 (and it's nice and sunny out there. Grrrrrr !!!!!)
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| Subject: | Tri-gear flap motor |
Duncan, have you renewed the brushes?.......Just a suggestion with
nothing else to contribute, My flap LED indicator has decided to play up
...on switch on it lights up and travels to the top position
irrespective of where the flaps are have you any suggestions? I've
messaged Ray Allen Factoy about it.
Regards
Bob Harrison. G-PTAG
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Duncan &
Ami McFadyean
Sent: 09 August 2007 21:03
Subject: Europa-List: Tri-gear flap motor
<ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
I have an intermittent functioning of the flap drive motor.
In the past this has been related to lubricant on the end bearing
contaminating the commutator. Cleaning of the commutator has effected a
cure.
Not this time it seems. Although a bit of a jarring tends to fix it.
I suspect the short as-supplied connecting wires emanating from the
motor.
But intermittent electrical faults are the most difficult to find.
Anyone else had this?
Duncan Mcf.
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| Subject: | FW: Fw: Air security battle looms as Brussels demands control |
over UK aviatio...
I=92m of the opinion that this message is of prime importance and whilst
I
respect that the PFA are already on the case I think it is relevant and
of prime importance to publish it here. You probably all know of my
opinions with regards to the jerks in Brussels but this takes the
buiscuit.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MK1 (re engined with 914 Rotax)
Robt.C.Harrison
----- Original Message -----
From: MartinHarveyONR@aol.com
Cc: ukipse@ukip.org ; pr.ukip@hotmail.com
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Air security battle looms as Brussels demands control
over UK aviatio...
In a message dated 06/09/2007 10:15:59 GMT Daylight Time,
stan.parr@btinternet.com writes:
Air security battle looms as Brussels demands control over UK aviation
safety policy
An organisation which the House of Commons criticised as "half-baked and
half-cocked" and "an accident waiting to happen" is poised to take more
powers from the Civil Aviation Authority in air safety matters in
legislation recently passed by the European Parliament.
Philip Bradbourn MEP says:
"This is no time for Britain to lose control of our aviation safety.
EASA, costing =A315 million each year, is not fit for purpose according
to
the Commons Transport Select Committee.
"Conservatives in the European Parliament will vigorously oppose the
latest proposals to transfer more powers to this Agency. EASA will put
aviation safety in the UK and the rest of Europe at risk. EASA being
able to impose fines and penalties is wholly unacceptable. It is vital
that the UK transfers no more responsibility to an organisation which is
basically incompetent.
"One company has already seen costs on minor aircraft modifications to
light aircraft rise by over 2000% and the time scale involved in
certificating such modifications go from a few days to six months. With
EASA we risk ending up in a situation where Europe's aviation sector is
burdened with extra bureaucratic red tape for little real gain in terms
of safety."
Currently, responsibility for regulating air traffic standards in Europe
falls on a number of national bodies including the CAA.
EASA was set up to assist the Commission in implementing common safety
rules across the EU. Although the main objective of the Regulation is to
guarantee a high, uniform level of safety and provide a level playing
field for Community air operators, Philip Bradbourn says:
"EASA is beset by serious problems of management, governance and
resources. It would be craziness of the highest order to give more
powers to EASA. Now is not the time to play politics with passenger
safety."
I was at Silverstone today (motor racing is my profession). In between
races we were incredibly well entertained by Spitfire versus ME 109
dogfight, girls on top of the wings of two biplanes. Four different
Russian aerobatic planes and some others.
UKIP should make a big fuss over this threat from the EU by means of
leafletting airshows etc. I know it is too late now but Duxford is
having an air show tomorrow, however there is another at Duxford on
October 14th I believe. Also UKIP should contact all Flying clubs on
this issue ASAP.
Best regards Martin Harvey.
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Bob,
Go to Appendix 1 (Page 12 of 18) of the Mod 74 leafllet.
See http://www.europa-aircraft.biz/pdfs/modifications/Mod%2074.pdf
regards,
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Laptop JR
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 12:16 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 74
David or anyone
I could not find the modified version of Mod 74 on the Factory Web
site under Mod 74 so -----
Just where did Europa post the modified version of Mod 74 Wing Pin
Replacemet please?)
JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 in Oz
----- Original Message -----
From: David Watts
To: Europa Forum
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 5:54 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Mod 74
To anybody who hasn't yet started on their Mod 74 Wing Pin
replacement.
You may be interested to know that the Europa factory yesterday
posted a modified Mod 74. This now allows you to gain access to the pin
through the flap closeout (provided you have the room for the layup) and
therefore does not trash your much strived for skin surface finish.
Dave Watts,
G-BXDY Flying, 1250 hours and grounded for a couple of days to do
Mod 74 (and it's nice and sunny out there. Grrrrrr !!!!!)
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