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1. 01:21 AM - Re: Mod 74 (Laptop JR)
2. 02:30 AM - OAT probe (Paul Stewart)
3. 02:58 AM - Re: Mod 74 (William Williams Wynne)
4. 07:28 AM - Redux breaking down in fuel? (danbish)
5. 07:39 AM - Re: The Factory Fuel Sight Gauge (Carl Pattinson)
6. 08:00 AM - Re: The Factory Fuel Sight Gauge/tank leaks (ALAN YERLY)
7. 10:30 AM - Re: Tri-gear flap motor (G-IANI)
8. 10:43 AM - Re: The Factory Fuel Sight Gauge/tank leaks (danbish)
9. 11:12 AM - Re: Tri-gear flap motor (R.C.Harrison)
10. 11:40 AM - Re: The Factory Fuel Sight Gauge (Fred Klein)
11. 12:36 PM - Re: The Factory Fuel Sight Gauge/tank leaks (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
12. 12:43 PM - Re: Tri-gear flap motor (Karl Heindl)
13. 03:03 PM - Re: The Factory Fuel Sight Gauge/tank leaks (R.C.Harrison)
14. 03:03 PM - Re: Tri-gear flap motor (R.C.Harrison)
15. 04:10 PM - Mod 74 Parts Availability (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
16. 04:10 PM - Tail wheel bearings (Paul McAllister)
17. 04:22 PM - The Factory Fuel Sight Gauge (Paul McAllister)
18. 04:27 PM - Tank leaks (Kingsley Hurst)
19. 05:14 PM - Rough River Fly-In (europaman)
20. 06:08 PM - Re: Rough River Fly-In (augustene brown)
21. 10:15 PM - Re: Tank leaks (Alan Burrows)
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Dear Mike Parking
OK Mike I found it!
Many Thanks
JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 in Oz learning filling on control surfaces
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Parkin
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 74
Bob,
Go to Appendix 1 (Page 12 of 18) of the Mod 74 leafllet.
See http://www.europa-aircraft.biz/pdfs/modifications/Mod%2074.pdf
regards,
Mike
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From: Laptop JR
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 12:16 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 74
David or anyone
I could not find the modified version of Mod 74 on the Factory Web
site under Mod 74 so -----
Just where did Europa post the modified version of Mod 74 Wing Pin
Replacemet please?)
JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 in Oz
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From: David Watts
To: Europa Forum
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 5:54 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Mod 74
To anybody who hasn't yet started on their Mod 74 Wing Pin
replacement.
You may be interested to know that the Europa factory yesterday
posted a modified Mod 74. This now allows you to gain access to the pin
through the flap closeout (provided you have the room for the layup) and
therefore does not trash your much strived for skin surface finish.
Dave Watts,
G-BXDY Flying, 1250 hours and grounded for a couple of days to do
Mod 74 (and it's nice and sunny out there. Grrrrrr !!!!!)
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Anyone tell me if positioning a OAT probe (active voltage sensor) in
the stern post close out is likely to interfere with VHF signal from
my copper tape antenna - positioned up the inside of the close out.
Regards
Paul
G-GIDY
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Neil - In case you have difficulty finding the page. See you - Bill
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 74
Go to Appendix 1 (Page 12 of 18) of the Mod 74 leafllet.
See http://www.europa-aircraft.biz/pdfs/modifications/Mod%2074.pdf
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 74
I could not find the modified version of Mod 74 on the Factory Web site
under Mod 74 so -----
Just where did Europa post the modified version of Mod 74 Wing Pin
Replacemet please?)
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| Subject: | Redux breaking down in fuel? |
Still wondering.........
Posted this a week or so ago and am in the midst of fitting my fuel system. Any
advice is much appreciated.
----------------------------------
On the post regarding the FS02 for the sight gauge, someone mentioned that the
redux in the fuel breaks down over time.
Considering that the Singleton fuel fittings mod calls for reduxing the finger
strainers to the fittings, is it possible that the redux will fail over time and
causing the strainers to come off and roll around in the bottom of the tank?
Anyone had this happen?
Just wondering....
Thanks,
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: The Factory Fuel Sight Gauge |
It wouldnt matter if the seals worked or not. Early on we decided to drill a
small hole in the filler cap - just under the locking handle (cant remember
why). We have flown for several years with this configuration and it hasnt
caused a discernible problem. It may as you have suggested cause an
inaccurate reading. We have never relied on the sight gauge in flight as the
fuel contents varies with how level the aircraft is flying.
I can understand what you mean by leaving the filler cap off which would
create a considerable vacuum in the tank.
Thanks,
Carl
----- Original Message -----
From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: The Factory Fuel Sight Gauge
> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> Carl,
> One possibility is that one or both of the seals on your filler cap is not
> effective.
>
> The fuel gauge symptoms you describe are the same as leaving the fuel cap
> off altogether, whereupon the relatively low pressure in the vicinity of
> the fuel filler cap in flight immediately sucks the sight gauge to zero.
>
> Duncan McF.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carl Pattinson" <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 2:48 PM
> Subject: Europa-List: The Factory Fuel Sight Gauge
>
>
>> <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
>>
>> Many builders avoided this nightmare and fitted a capaticance or other
>> similar gauge.
>>
>> We originally figured that fitting a fuel flow meter would be sufficient
>> along with the factory sight gauge. Our reasoning was that as long as the
>> rear wheel was raised such that the aircraft was level (we use a spirit
>> level to check this) the sight gauge ought to be reasonably accurate -
>> for refuelling purposes only.
>>
>> Last weekend we fuelled the aircraft with 40 litres of fuel on top of the
>> 15 already in the tank (15 l is our minimum safety level - ie: 11 in the
>> reserve plus 4). The sight gauge indicated 15 l beforewe refuelled and 55
>> l after which is what we expected. The estimated flight time was just
>> over 2 hrs excluding arrival and departure.
>>
>> As soon as we took off the sight gauge indicated the tank to be virtually
>> empty which caused a degree of worry (you can never be certain there isnt
>> a leak !!!). This lack of fuel continued throughout the flight and on the
>> return. Before we put the plane to bed we re checked the levels and as
>> expected there were 20 litres remaining (having used 35l according to the
>> Fuel Flow meter). So far so good !!!
>>
>> Yesterday we planned for a similar trip and started to refuell with 2x 20
>> litre cans. About halfway through the second can the fller tube filled up
>> and we ended with fuel everywhere. Assuming this was nothing more than an
>> airlock we lifted the tailplane to shoulder height (it is a momowheel) in
>> the belief that this would clear the blockage - IT DIDNT !. The tank
>> appeared to be full whatever we did.
>>
>> So we drained off 20 litres through the drain valve and rechecked the
>> levels - guess what - 45 litres !!! The tank holds at least 75 litres (it
>> is one of the originals). 75-20 should be 55 litres. So we put back all
>> 20 litres without any problem.
>>
>> Then as soon as we took off the gauge indicated empty!
>>
>> We should point out that as part of our refuelling check we first blow
>> through the vent pipe (that enters at the top of the tank) to clear it
>> and then we blow back the fuel down the sight gauge till air bubbles into
>> the tank to clear any possible airlocks. In theory this should ensure an
>> accurate reading.
>>
>> The problem seems to be that the filler pipe has what is in effect a U
>> bend which fills up with fuel and it seems that the breather pipe is
>> prone to a similar problem - despite blowing through both to clear them.
>>
>> If this theory is true then as soon as the fuel pumps start delivering
>> fuel to the engine this will create a partial vacuum in the tank which
>> would explain the low sight gauge reading.
>>
>> Has anyone else had a similar problem or are we the only ones using the
>> old style gauge. We are aware that some of the sight gauges are fitted to
>> the seat backs but according to the above reasoning this problem would
>> still exist.
>>
>> Any suggestions ? (other than retrofitting another type of gauge). We
>> have enough on our hands with mod 74 !
>>
>> One thing we were considering is replacing the filler pipe with clear
>> plastic fuel tube (it is available) - at least it would be easier to
>> diagnose the problem.
>>
>> Carl & Dot
>> G-LABS
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: The Factory Fuel Sight Gauge/tank leaks |
Sight gauge woe's.
In my experience, the reason for the empty reading in flight is that the
sight gauge is typically hooked to the feed line. Picture those large
coffee pots with the sight gauge on the tap. As soon as you open the
tap, the sight gauge drops. You are getting the same effect. The fix
is to install the Mod 33 and use the drain line as your lower sight
gauge hookup point. The static fuel at the rear of the tank allows the
site gauge to be quite stable in flight. For those of you who put the
sight gauge in the seat back like I have, it works fine (tri-gear). The
longer tube lengths for those of you with the sight gauge near the foot
well, acceleration does cause the fuel to move. Remember to use the
FSO2 to help stabilize the readings.
As for venting of the sight gauge, I put my fuel vents on the bottom of
the aircraft. From the fuel vent fitting (I use a F09C and hook the
sight gauge vent line to the molded fitting, although I have clients
with the standard fitting and the other end of the sight gauge tee'd to
the main vent line), I loop the fuel vent line up to the fill neck, put
a T in the neck (so the gas doen't burp during fueling) and continue up
over the plastic fuel neck, down the back side to a vent tube on the
bottom of the aircraft. I am supplying this info only because it is
different than the stock fuel vent system, and although the low pressure
area on the top of the fuselage is a possible fuel suction point, and or
a ram air point, it shouldn't cause sight gauge accuracy problems, but
it does. The only reason for putting the vent on the bottom initially,
was cosmetics and the nasty fuel streaks down the fuselage when making
low power right turns and getting fuel venting out of the tank in some
aircraft (especially the gliders). Hooking the vent side of the sight
gauge to the vent fitting at the top of the tank was to eliminate the
possibility of suction/pressure influences from the vent to the small
area of the sight tube. The idea was to ensure the top of the tank air
pressure and the bottom of the tank fitting were as stable as far as
flow of air and fuel as possible. It seems to work just fine.
As for the tank leak woes, I have a used fuel tank in the shop which
hasn't had fuel in it for 4 years maybe 5 and am going to fill it to
check for cracks / leaks. I'll post the results if I don't blow up.
Bud Yerly
----- Original Message -----
From: steve v <mailto:s.vestuti@virgin.net>
To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: The Factory Fuel Sight Gauge
<s.vestuti@virgin.net<mailto:s.vestuti@virgin.net>>
Just Thought i would add my "short" experience with the standard
sight gauge here,
i have a tri gear with a compleatly standard text book
intallation with the tube visable in the port footwell, on the
ground the gauge reads fine, airbourne it reads empty - it has done
this
from day one. i intend shortly to dissconnect it and fit a stop end to
the tank as my fuel flow meter is accurate to within half a litre.
could the empty reading in flight be due to acceleration as the tube
runs forward B4 running verticaly?
Steve vestuti G-CEBV #573.
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| Subject: | Tri-gear flap motor |
Bob
What you describe is exactly what the LED indicator does if it has power
(positive and negative) but the three sense wires from the motor are not
connected.
I hope this helps
Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear
Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear)
e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
R.C.Harrison
My flap LED indicator has decided to play up ...on switch on it lights
up and travels to the top position irrespective of where the flaps are
have you any suggestions? I've messaged Ray Allen Factoy about it.
Regards Bob Harrison. G-PTAG
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| Subject: | Re: The Factory Fuel Sight Gauge/tank leaks |
Hi Bud,
This is similar to what Graham supplied with his special fittings. I was thinking
about doing away with the sight tube altogether as I've installed one of the
electric float type gauges in my main tank and will also have a fuel flow sensor
hooked to my Dynon. With this, do you think the sight tube is overkill?
If not and you think it's prudent to go ahead and install, do you have any photos,
or a diagrahm of what your setup looks like, particularly where you put the
vents on the bottom of the A/C?
Thanks,
Dan
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| Subject: | Tri-gear flap motor |
Hi! Ian
You may well be right with the trim motor, and it may read across
similarly to the Flap Position Indicator but the latter in my case is
the Position Sender which is linked to the flap hinge by a mechanical
link. I believe I had at some time past such a sequence with the trim
motor because the position sensor wires do go to the motor. I will
investigate continuity of the relevant connections.
Regards & Thanks
Bob Harrison.
Robt.C.Harrison
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of G-IANI
Sent: 09 September 2007 18:27
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tri-gear flap motor
Bob
What you describe is exactly what the LED indicator does if it has power
(positive and negative) but the three sense wires from the motor are not
connected.
I hope this helps
Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear
Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear)
e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
R.C.Harrison
My flap LED indicator has decided to play up ...on switch on it lights
up and travels to the top position irrespective of where the flaps are
have you any suggestions? I've messaged Ray Allen Factoy about it.
Regards Bob Harrison. G-PTAG
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| Subject: | Re: The Factory Fuel Sight Gauge |
On Sunday, September 9, 2007, at 07:58 AM, ALAN YERLY wrote:
> Sight gauge woe's. The fix is to install the Mod 33 and use the drain
> line as your lower sight gauge hookup point.- The static fuel at the
> rear of the tank allows the site gauge to be quite stable in flight.-
> For those of you who put the sight gauge in the seat back like I have,
> it works fine (tri-gear).- The longer tube lengths for those of you
> with the sight gauge near the foot well, acceleration does cause the
> fuel to move.- Remember to use the FSO2 to help stabilize the > reading
s.
I've been rassling w/ these issues...wanting to have a positive visual
(reliable) for both in-flight fuel, as well as a simple visual
reference when refueling...and now have the following set up. I'm
installing both a modified factory sight gauge as well as one between
the seat backs. My factory sight gauge T's off the main tank fuel drain
with an FS 02 inserted, but where the line goes vertical at the
footwell, I'm opting to use 90 degree barbed fittings top and bottom so
that I can contain a small redux/micro sphere float (painted w/ bright
yellow butyrate dope); sphere will be contained within the vertical w/
a bit of SS wool @ the barbs. I can live with the extra clamps for the
fittings. Vent line will continue to starboard (rather than port) and
rearward just below the door sill before rising alongside the filler
neck and venting below the flap as Bud described.
For the gauge between the seats, which also T's off the main tank drain
line, I'm using a piece of rigid pipe (ACS P/N 03-54100); it will also
have a redux/micro float. As I'm uncomfortable venting it between the
underside of the top of the CM and the tank, I've made a T-shaped
splash molding over foam which extends down to the tunnel; the
"crossing" of the T provides a lip which dies into the head rests and
provides a void in which the vent will reside before it penetrates the
starboard head rest and eventually Ts into the other sight gauge vent
line...this may sound complex, but it's really quite simple. Since my
reason for the seat back gauge is solely as a visual reference when
refueling, I want to be sure that it registers fuel level in the tank
as fuel is poured in. I have some concerns that if an FS 02 restrictor
is used, the fuel level in the sight gauge will lag behind the actual
level in the tank, rendering its utility suspect, if the point of
having it is to avoid spillage. Consequently, my thinking is to NOT use
an FS 02 in this line, recognizing that stable readings in flight may
result and if so would not affect the
footwell sight gauge at all.
I must confess to being a believer in redundancy for critical systems,
as I have also installed the factory electric float gauge.
All just grist for the mill,
Fred
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| Subject: | Re: The Factory Fuel Sight Gauge/tank leaks |
<<As for the tank leak woes, I have a used fuel tank in the shop which
hasn't had fuel in it for 4 years maybe 5 and am going to fill it to
check for cracks / leaks.>>
Something to consider in the fuel tank debate is that the (pre
"fluoride-treated") tanks expanded slowly by about 3% when first filled.
But they also shrink back when left for long periods (months rather than
days or weeks) without fuel.
If a tank shrinks back, it is likely to shift and be no longer in such
intimate contact with the supports that were moulded to it, possibly
resulting in pressure points, particularly on edges and inflexions
formed at the sides of support brackets.
It's only a big polythene bay after all!
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: ALAN YERLY
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: The Factory Fuel Sight Gauge/tank leaks
Sight gauge woe's.
In my experience, the reason for the empty reading in flight is that
the sight gauge is typically hooked to the feed line. Picture those
large coffee pots with the sight gauge on the tap. As soon as you open
the tap, the sight gauge drops. You are getting the same effect. The
fix is to install the Mod 33 and use the drain line as your lower sight
gauge hookup point. The static fuel at the rear of the tank allows the
site gauge to be quite stable in flight. For those of you who put the
sight gauge in the seat back like I have, it works fine (tri-gear). The
longer tube lengths for those of you with the sight gauge near the foot
well, acceleration does cause the fuel to move. Remember to use the
FSO2 to help stabilize the readings.
As for venting of the sight gauge, I put my fuel vents on the bottom
of the aircraft. From the fuel vent fitting (I use a F09C and hook the
sight gauge vent line to the molded fitting, although I have clients
with the standard fitting and the other end of the sight gauge tee'd to
the main vent line), I loop the fuel vent line up to the fill neck, put
a T in the neck (so the gas doen't burp during fueling) and continue up
over the plastic fuel neck, down the back side to a vent tube on the
bottom of the aircraft. I am supplying this info only because it is
different than the stock fuel vent system, and although the low pressure
area on the top of the fuselage is a possible fuel suction point, and or
a ram air point, it shouldn't cause sight gauge accuracy problems, but
it does. The only reason for putting the vent on the bottom initially,
was cosmetics and the nasty fuel streaks down the fuselage when making
low power right turns and getting fuel venting out of the tank in some
aircraft (especially the gliders). Hooking the vent side of the sight
gauge to the vent fitting at the top of the tank was to eliminate the
possibility of suction/pressure influences from the vent to the small
area of the sight tube. The idea was to ensure the top of the tank air
pressure and the bottom of the tank fitting were as stable as far as
flow of air and fuel as possible. It seems to work just fine.
As for the tank leak woes, I have a used fuel tank in the shop which
hasn't had fuel in it for 4 years maybe 5 and am going to fill it to
check for cracks / leaks. I'll post the results if I don't blow up.
Bud Yerly
----- Original Message -----
From: steve v
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: The Factory Fuel Sight Gauge
Just Thought i would add my "short" experience with the standard
sight gauge here,
i have a tri gear with a compleatly standard text book
intallation with the tube visable in the port footwell, on the
ground the gauge reads fine, airbourne it reads empty - it has done
this
from day one. i intend shortly to dissconnect it and fit a stop end
to the tank as my fuel flow meter is accurate to within half a litre.
could the empty reading in flight be due to acceleration as the tube
runs forward B4 running verticaly?
Steve vestuti G-CEBV #573.
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| Subject: | Tri-gear flap motor |
Ian,
I didn't know that there was an LED display for the flap motor, I just look
out the window to check the flap position. Do you mean the trim motor by any
chance ?
Karl
>From: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tri-gear flap motor
>Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 18:27:25 +0100
>
>
>Bob
>
>What you describe is exactly what the LED indicator does if it has power
>(positive and negative) but the three sense wires from the motor are not
>connected.
>
>I hope this helps
>
>Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear
>Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear)
>e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
> or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>R.C.Harrison
>
>My flap LED indicator has decided to play up ...on switch on it lights
>up and travels to the top position irrespective of where the flaps are
>have you any suggestions? I've messaged Ray Allen Factoy about it.
>Regards Bob Harrison. G-PTAG
>
>
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| Subject: | The Factory Fuel Sight Gauge/tank leaks |
Hi! Duncan/all
I recall that early build requirements were to have the tank well
supported /clamped and allowed to stand full of fuel for about 6 months
to initiate the expansion prior to putting it into the cockpit
module....presumably to ensure that when it was built in, allowance was
included for the same expansion. If this instruction wasn't complied I
could imagine that considerable stresses would ensue when the tank did
expand resulting in much greater stresses when added to the fuel weight
pressure from inside.
Regards
Bob H G-PTAG
Robt.C.Harrison
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Ami McFadyean
Sent: 01 January 1988 11:02
Subject: Re: Europa-List: The Factory Fuel Sight Gauge/tank leaks
<<As for the tank leak woes, I have a used fuel tank in the shop which
hasn't had fuel in it for 4 years maybe 5 and am going to fill it to
check for cracks / leaks.>>
Something to consider in the fuel tank debate is that the (pre
"fluoride-treated") tanks expanded slowly by about 3% when first filled.
But they also shrink back when left for long periods (months rather than
days or weeks) without fuel.
If a tank shrinks back, it is likely to shift and be no longer in such
intimate contact with the supports that were moulded to it, possibly
resulting in pressure points, particularly on edges and inflexions
formed at the sides of support brackets.
It's only a big polythene bay after all!
Duncan McF.
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From: ALAN YERLY <mailto:budyerly@msn.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: The Factory Fuel Sight Gauge/tank leaks
Sight gauge woe's.
In my experience, the reason for the empty reading in flight is that the
sight gauge is typically hooked to the feed line. Picture those large
coffee pots with the sight gauge on the tap. As soon as you open the
tap, the sight gauge drops. You are getting the same effect. The fix
is to install the Mod 33 and use the drain line as your lower sight
gauge hookup point. The static fuel at the rear of the tank allows the
site gauge to be quite stable in flight. For those of you who put the
sight gauge in the seat back like I have, it works fine (tri-gear). The
longer tube lengths for those of you with the sight gauge near the foot
well, acceleration does cause the fuel to move. Remember to use the
FSO2 to help stabilize the readings.
As for venting of the sight gauge, I put my fuel vents on the bottom of
the aircraft. From the fuel vent fitting (I use a F09C and hook the
sight gauge vent line to the molded fitting, although I have clients
with the standard fitting and the other end of the sight gauge tee'd to
the main vent line), I loop the fuel vent line up to the fill neck, put
a T in the neck (so the gas doen't burp during fueling) and continue up
over the plastic fuel neck, down the back side to a vent tube on the
bottom of the aircraft. I am supplying this info only because it is
different than the stock fuel vent system, and although the low pressure
area on the top of the fuselage is a possible fuel suction point, and or
a ram air point, it shouldn't cause sight gauge accuracy problems, but
it does. The only reason for putting the vent on the bottom initially,
was cosmetics and the nasty fuel streaks down the fuselage when making
low power right turns and getting fuel venting out of the tank in some
aircraft (especially the gliders). Hooking the vent side of the sight
gauge to the vent fitting at the top of the tank was to eliminate the
possibility of suction/pressure influences from the vent to the small
area of the sight tube. The idea was to ensure the top of the tank air
pressure and the bottom of the tank fitting were as stable as far as
flow of air and fuel as possible. It seems to work just fine.
As for the tank leak woes, I have a used fuel tank in the shop which
hasn't had fuel in it for 4 years maybe 5 and am going to fill it to
check for cracks / leaks. I'll post the results if I don't blow up.
Bud Yerly
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From: steve v <mailto:s.vestuti@virgin.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: The Factory Fuel Sight Gauge
Just Thought i would add my "short" experience with the standard
sight gauge here,
i have a tri gear with a compleatly standard text book
intallation with the tube visable in the port footwell, on the
ground the gauge reads fine, airbourne it reads empty - it has done this
from day one. i intend shortly to dissconnect it and fit a stop end to
the tank as my fuel flow meter is accurate to within half a litre.
could the empty reading in flight be due to acceleration as the tube
runs forward B4 running verticaly?
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| Subject: | Tri-gear flap motor |
Karl.
I have the same indicator for the flap position as the trim indicator
but it is sensed by a potentiometer strategically positioned on one of
the flap drive hinges.
This is an add on item not a Europa Kit item.
Just had a message from the Ray Allen Company who make the guismos
confirming what Ian has said so I have to go hunting for breaks in the
wires! .....
A point worth making here is that it was only 09.17 Saturday 8th when I
e-mailed Scott Menzimer of Ray Allen Company asking for help and by
today Sunday 9th at 21.49 he had replied. Well worth patronising people
who can help in such spontaneous ways .. there must be about 10 hours
time lag between us anyway.
REGARDS
Bob H G-PTAG
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Karl Heindl
Sent: 09 September 2007 20:43
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tri-gear flap motor
Ian,
I didn't know that there was an LED display for the flap motor, I just
look
out the window to check the flap position. Do you mean the trim motor by
any
chance ?
Karl
>From: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tri-gear flap motor
>Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 18:27:25 +0100
>
>
>Bob
>
>What you describe is exactly what the LED indicator does if it has
power
>(positive and negative) but the three sense wires from the motor are
not
>connected.
>
>I hope this helps
>
>Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear
>Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear)
>e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
> or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>R.C.Harrison
>
>My flap LED indicator has decided to play up ...on switch on it lights
>up and travels to the top position irrespective of where the flaps are
>have you any suggestions? I've messaged Ray Allen Factoy about it.
>Regards Bob Harrison. G-PTAG
>
>
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| Subject: | Mod 74 Parts Availability |
Greeting All,
What is the latest email address for ordering parts for this Mod? Is it still
Roger? I hope these are readily available.
Mike Duane A207A
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Jabiru 3300
Sensenich R64Z N
Ground Adjustable Prop
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| Subject: | Tail wheel bearings |
Hi all,
Well after 3.5 / 680 hours my tail wheel bearings finally decided to part
company from the bearing race.
I can't see any identifying numbers on the side of the bearing and I was
wondering if anyone has replaced a set, and if so could give me a part
number.
Thanks - Paul
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| Subject: | The Factory Fuel Sight Gauge |
Hi all,
Over the years I have been subscribing to the forum one of the topics that
comes up pretty regularly is the subject of sight tubes.
On all of my reading it seemed like they we troublesome systems so I
ultimately left mine off and constructed the system designed by Tony K. This
system has a 0 ~ 1" pressure transducer in the lowest point in the fuel
system and measures the weight of fuel in the tank. By using your laptop it
is possible to calibrate the 10 segment LED bar display to show 1.8 gallons
per segment, thus having a perfectly linear display, despite the shape of
the tank. The advantage of this system is that no tank penetration is
required, and unlike capacitance gauges is reads correctly for Mogas or
100LL, and best of all its linear.
Mine has been in service for 3.5 years now and so far has been trouble free.
The downside of this is that Tony does not have a printed circuit board
layout available, so you need to have some ability to construct electronic
circuits on a patch board.
See http://www.kaon.co.nz/europa/fuelgaugev3.pdf
Paul
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All,
With respect to the fuel tanks cracking/splitting . . . .
1 Have cracks in the fuel tanks been confined only to the original
(pre 'fluoride-treated') tanks, the (post 'fluoride-treated') tanks or
both ?
2 Has everyone who has had cracks in a tank found that the support
straps were firmly stuck to the tank ?
Regards
Kingsley in Oz
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| Subject: | Rough River Fly-In |
Hey Europa Friends,
Wonder on over to the Europa Owners Forum Gallery to view a slide show of the Rough
River Fly-in. If anyone wants an unabridged disk of the pictures or a DVD
of the dodgy video I shot, email me at wingnut54@charter.net, and I'll send you
one of each or either. Include your mailing address of course. I haven't yet
tried to see if the short mpegs I uploaded will play or not. Hope they do for
you.
Kindest Regards,
Troy and Donna Maynor
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| Subject: | Re: Rough River Fly-In |
Troy,
Nice pictures. Jim and I are jealous - maybe next year.
Augustene
N398JB
europaman <wingnut54@charter.net> wrote:
Hey Europa Friends,
Wonder on over to the Europa Owners Forum Gallery to view a slide show of the Rough
River Fly-in. If anyone wants an unabridged disk of the pictures or a DVD
of the dodgy video I shot, email me at wingnut54@charter.net, and I'll send you
one of each or either. Include your mailing address of course. I haven't yet
tried to see if the short mpegs I uploaded will play or not. Hope they do for
you.
Kindest Regards,
Troy and Donna Maynor
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Hi Kingsley
Not sure if my tank was the older type, I suspect it wasn=92t. But the
support
straps were firmly bonded to the tank.
Hope that helps
Cheers
Alan
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kingsley
Hurst
Sent: 10 September 2007 00:26
Subject: Europa-List: Tank leaks
All,
With respect to the fuel tanks cracking/splitting . . . .
1 Have cracks in the fuel tanks been confined only to the original
(pre
'fluoride-treated') tanks, the (post 'fluoride-treated') tanks or both ?
2 Has everyone who has had cracks in a tank found that the support
straps were firmly stuck to the tank ?
Regards
Kingsley in Oz
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