---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 09/10/07: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:31 AM - Re: Tail wheel bearings (Brian Davies) 2. 06:44 AM - Play in tailplane drive - Loctite (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen) 3. 07:47 AM - Re: Tank leaks (R.C.Harrison) 4. 11:52 AM - Re: Tail wheel bearings (Duncan & Ami McFadyean) 5. 12:41 PM - Re: Tail wheel bearings (Paul McAllister) 6. 01:06 PM - Re: Tail plane torque tube installation (Jeff B) 7. 01:32 PM - Re: Tail plane torque tube installation (Fred Klein) 8. 01:37 PM - Re: Tail wheel bearings (Fred Klein) 9. 01:59 PM - Re: Play in tailplane drive - Loctite (steve v) 10. 02:43 PM - Re: Play in tailplane drive - Loctite (R.C.Harrison) 11. 03:33 PM - Rough River Flyin (steve v) 12. 03:41 PM - Re: Mod 74. (Laptop JR) 13. 03:53 PM - Re: Play in tailplane drive Slop - Clamp Question Vs Loctitie (EuropaXSA276@aol.com) 14. 03:55 PM - Re: Play in tailplane drive - Loctite (Bill and Sue) 15. 04:22 PM - Tailplane torque tube installation (Fred Klein) 16. 05:09 PM - Re: Rough River Flyin (Andrew Sarangan) 17. 06:23 PM - Re: Tail plane torque tube installation (Paul McAllister) 18. 08:48 PM - Re: Tail plane torque tube installation (Fred Klein) 19. 09:12 PM - Re: Tank leaks (Steve Hagar) 20. 10:51 PM - Re: Play in tailplane drive - Loctite (R.C.Harrison) 21. 10:51 PM - Re: Tailplane torque tube installation (R.C.Harrison) 22. 11:06 PM - FW: Old Sarum Fly in (G-IANI) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:31:46 AM PST US From: "Brian Davies" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tail wheel bearings Hi Paul, I replaced mine from day one because they were such poor quality but I cant remember the number. Aircraft Spruce sell a replacement bearing part number 06-00060 for about $10. which looks like it is the right one. It is in the Homebuilders Special Tailwheels section. Brian Davies -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul McAllister Sent: 10 September 2007 00:09 Subject: Europa-List: Tail wheel bearings --> Hi all, Well after 3.5 / 680 hours my tail wheel bearings finally decided to part company from the bearing race. I can't see any identifying numbers on the side of the bearing and I was wondering if anyone has replaced a set, and if so could give me a part number. Thanks - Paul 13:24 13:24 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:44:17 AM PST US From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" Subject: Europa-List: Play in tailplane drive - Loctite Reference the last few days' thread on the subject of using Loctite to prevent play in the tailplane drive. I called Roger at EA04 today, referring to the message he posted on this forum on July 30th regrading EA04's test of securing the parts with Loctite, and asked: "Can I just go ahead and use Loctite?". Roger's reply was (as a summary, not an exact quote): Hold on - don't do it just yet. There is a Service Bulletin coming out shortly, describing how to do it. Some people have tried doing it during assembly of the torque tube, but the problem is that the Loctite sits so quickly. Before they had the pieces into their final position, the Locktite stuck. The SB will describe how to do it by applying capillary action, without disassembling the parts. Probably a degreaser is to be used for cleaning, still without disassembling. The 603 will be used - it is quite thin and of penetrating type. Regards, Svein LN-SKJ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:47:28 AM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tank leaks Hi! Kingsley Your use of the words support "straps" concerns me... IMHO the tanks were to be allowed to be unbonded and just have supports which were allowed to cure underneath to the shape of the tank plus a ledge across the fuselage that the forward projection would sit on together with the bracket stops to the seat back bulkhead. Vertical positioning was an important issue to enable the wing spars to be engaged otherwise the tank was free to expand and contract. I'm pretty sure my tank was the early type and was purchased in 1997.(no leaks ..YET!) Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG Robt.C.Harrison -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kingsley Hurst Sent: 10 September 2007 00:26 Subject: Europa-List: Tank leaks All, With respect to the fuel tanks cracking/splitting . . . . 1 Have cracks in the fuel tanks been confined only to the original (pre 'fluoride-treated') tanks, the (post 'fluoride-treated') tanks or both ? 2 Has everyone who has had cracks in a tank found that the support straps were firmly stuck to the tank ? Regards Kingsley in Oz ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:52:50 AM PST US From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tail wheel bearings Paul, It would be worth your while searching previous posts on this as there was a lot of debate on suitable alternatives; the originals being "rubbish", although yours have lasted well! Duncan McF do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul McAllister" Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 12:08 AM Subject: Europa-List: Tail wheel bearings > > > Hi all, > > Well after 3.5 / 680 hours my tail wheel bearings finally decided to part > company from the bearing race. > > I can't see any identifying numbers on the side of the bearing and I was > wondering if anyone has replaced a set, and if so could give me a part > number. > > Thanks - Paul > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:41:18 PM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tail wheel bearings Thanks to all who posted the wheel bearing information. - Paul -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Duncan & Ami McFadyean Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 1:41 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tail wheel bearings Paul, It would be worth your while searching previous posts on this as there was a lot of debate on suitable alternatives; the originals being "rubbish", although yours have lasted well! Duncan McF do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul McAllister" Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 12:08 AM Subject: Europa-List: Tail wheel bearings > > > Hi all, > > Well after 3.5 / 680 hours my tail wheel bearings finally decided to part > company from the bearing race. > > I can't see any identifying numbers on the side of the bearing and I was > wondering if anyone has replaced a set, and if so could give me a part > number. > > Thanks - Paul > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:06:02 PM PST US From: Jeff B Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tail plane torque tube installation Fred. If you're having a problem finding 603, go to Auto Zone a buy the Permatex version (green). After checking the spec sheets on both, I found that they are almost identical. I have 26 hours on my "fix" with no movement at all... Jeff - Baby Blue 326 hours Fred Klein wrote: > > Paul McAllister mentions Loctite 603...I have only Loctite 243 and > 271...both are red; #271 is labeled "high strength" and "strengthens > slip and light press fits". > > Does anyone know the significance of the various numbers and whether > or not #603 has special attributes which would enhance its > effectiveness over the others? > > Fred > A194 > > On Friday, September 7, 2007, at 03:56 PM, Paul McAllister wrote: > >> I have just applied Loctite 603 to my TP12's and TP9 (assembled, in >> position) by forcing it in via a very short bristled artists bush. > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:32:11 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tail plane torque tube installation From: Fred Klein Thanks Jeff...can't have to much information; I did find and order both 603 and 638 from Amazon who source it from some outfit...R. Hughes Co. as I (partially) recall. Note Roger Bull's post of this morning...just in case! Fred > > Fred. > > If you're having a problem finding 603, go to Auto Zone a buy the > Permatex version (green). After checking the spec sheets on both, I > found that they are almost identical. > Jeff - Baby Blue > 326 hours -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:37:29 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tail wheel bearings From: Fred Klein Paul, Tom Friedland sent me the following a couple months ago: > My tailwheel invoice says it is #6.00006.565 as ordered from > linco-inc.com.- Good luck, Fred > > > Thanks to all who posted the wheel bearing information. - Paul > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:59:43 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Play in tailplane drive - Loctite From: "steve v " Hi, Do you Know if we will be forced to Loctite the torquetube together? I for one do not want to willingly use loctite, i would prefer to use Bobs clamps as removal would be far easier. steve vestuti G-CEBV #573 Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:43:56 PM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Play in tailplane drive - Loctite Steve, IMHO I can not imaging how anyone could force you to use such a mickey mouse fix as glue? And what's more I can not imagine the PFA giving its blessing ? At what loading does it separate? What repeatability of performance can be shown ? How can degreasing be guaranteed? Unless it is used for destructive testing! Better use Jubilee clips ...at least that is a known quantity factor! The PFA wouldn't clear that either ! Regards Bob Harrison. PS Sorry but I can not contain my opinion any longer! -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of steve v Sent: 10 September 2007 21:58 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Play in tailplane drive - Loctite Hi, Do you Know if we will be forced to Loctite the torquetube together? I for one do not want to willingly use loctite, i would prefer to use Bobs clamps as removal would be far easier. steve vestuti G-CEBV #573 Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:33:58 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Rough River Flyin From: "steve v " I have just enjoyed looking at the pictures in the gallery and decided that we will either have to oranise a UK national Europa Flyin or i will have to fit long range tanks!!! By the way, was the sky really that blue every day or has someone been busy with photoshop? Steve vestuti G-CEBV #573 in S.Wales. Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:41:08 PM PST US From: "Laptop JR" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 74. Duncan Has someone given you this info yet? JR (bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 in Oz do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 6:44 AM Subject: Europa-List: Mod 74. > > > Would some kind soul please measure for me the distance between the > inboard face of W26 articulating lift pin socket and the centreline of the > rotating barrel in W26. Then the distance from the barrel centreline to > the outboard extremity of the W26. > > The longer lift pins supplied with Mod 74 don't work with the earlier > non-articulating W26's, unless the wing root is counterbored, which would > weaken the very area that started all this modification in the first > place. > > I'm trying to work out whether the supplied longer lift pins (which have > the pip pin hole drilled c.1/10" further inboard) would work directly with > the later articualting W26, as a bolt-compatable swap without having to > reset the fuselage sides. > > Duncan McF. > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:53:05 PM PST US From: EuropaXSA276@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Play in tailplane drive Slop - Clamp Question Vs Loctitie I have been following this thread with great interest. While I am lucky enough to NOT have installed the top I thought that there may be a more permanent fix for the tail plane slop issue. Did I understand from one writer that E04 endorsed the "clamp"" modification to solve this problem? Or have I completely misunderstood the issue / fix here? Please be kind as I may be suffering brain damage undoubtedly caused from inhaling the blue dust being generated from continuous composite filling and sanding which is now going on 3 months..... If the clamps are the fix. Where does a dusty Texan purchased these miracle devises? I have seen photos on the web someplace. But it was long ago... I have been in the Automotive parts business for many many years now. Don't get me wrong fellas. Loctite makes fabulous products. But I have always been a fan of bolts and nuts (if they can be used) for maximum adhesion. Thanks so much boys. Brian Skelly Europa XS TriGear #A276 North Texas USA You can see my build photos at: http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:55:52 PM PST US From: Bill and Sue Subject: Re: Europa-List: Play in tailplane drive - Loctite Bob, The whole aeroplane is glued together! That seems to work pretty well. How are you getting on with your 914? Rgds Sue & Bill R.C.Harrison wrote: > > Steve, > IMHO I can not imaging how anyone could force you to use such a mickey > mouse fix as glue? And what's more I can not imagine the PFA giving its > blessing ? At what loading does it separate? What repeatability of > performance can be shown ? How can degreasing be guaranteed? Unless it > is used for destructive testing! Better use Jubilee clips ...at least > that is a known quantity factor! The PFA wouldn't clear that either ! > Regards > Bob Harrison. > PS Sorry but I can not contain my opinion any longer! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of steve v > Sent: 10 September 2007 21:58 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Play in tailplane drive - Loctite > > > Hi, Do you Know if we will be forced to Loctite the torquetube together? > > I for one do not want to willingly use loctite, i would prefer to use > Bobs clamps as > removal would be far easier. > > steve vestuti G-CEBV #573 > > > Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org > > > __________ NOD32 2519 (20070910) Information __________ > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:22:34 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Tailplane torque tube installation From: Fred Klein This just in from E04 on subject topic. Begin forwarded message: > From: "Roger Bull" > Date: Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:29:24 AM US/Pacific > To: "Fred Klein" > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tailplane torque tube installation > > Fred, > > We shall probably soon be issuing a Service Bulletin which will > probably > require the TP9 and the two TP12's to be Loctited - however this is > still not finalised with the PFA. > > If it goes ahead the preferred Loctite will be 603, which is strong and > which is reasonably oil tolerant. However it goes off very quickly, > and > you wouldn't have time to do it as you suggest below. We have carried > out tests, and the bond is strong enough if the Loctite is introduced > by > capillary action to the components when they are in position. > > I suggest you wait until the Bulletin is finalised and published - it > will give enough detail for the method. > > Best regards, > > Roger > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fred Klein [mailto:fklein@orcasonline.com] > Sent: 07 September 2007 22:30 > To: Roger Bull > Subject: Fwd: Europa-List: Tailplane torque tube installation > > What do you think Roger? > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Fred Klein >> Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 12:13:56 PM US/Pacific >> To: europa-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Europa-List: Tailplane torque tube installation >> >> >> I am at the happy stage of preparing to tap home the four drive pins, >> attach the washers and cotter pins, and call it good; my goal is to >> ensure (or raise the level of probability) that no slop EVER develops >> between TP9, the two TP12's, and TP4. The question facing me is >> whether or not I should loctite these components together. >> >> I've read the posts of those who have ventured into the tailcone to >> deal w/ such slop (or "play") with profound admiration; if I'm ever in > >> the company of a Europaphile who's done this successfully, everyone >> present will enjoy a round of drinks on me. >> >> Since I am installing the 3/8" pins, my sense is that preventing wear >> from occurring is the key...hence the notion that loctiting now is >> better (and easier) than doing so later. My sense also is that if for >> some reason in the future I find the need to remove the torque tube, >> warming up the loctite so it will release will be the least of my >> problems. Having taken the torque tube to a machine shop to have the >> 1/4" holes enlarged for the 3/8" pins, I now have a good interference >> fit with no play whatsoever. >> >> It appears to me that the best way to apply loctite in this situation >> would be to rotate TP9 & TP12 on TP4 away from the holes, dispense the > >> loctite in the holes of TP9 & TP12 onto the surface of TP4, and then >> realign the holes, drive the pins, and "Bob's your uncle". >> >> Mentally, I've run this thru my "min/max regret analysis" and >> concluded that this is the thing to do. If anyone thinks this is >> unwise, please let me know before I do something stupid! And, if >> you'd known about the wear issues of these components when you were at > >> this stage, would you have used loctite? >> >> Thanks for all responses, >> >> Fred >> A194 >> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by >> MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >> > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > -- > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:09:27 PM PST US From: Andrew Sarangan Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rough River Flyin The sky was indeed that blue. Out west this is an every day occurence, but here it was just pure luck. --- steve v wrote: > > I have just enjoyed looking at the pictures in the > gallery and decided that we will either have to oranise a > UK national Europa Flyin or i will have to fit long range tanks!!! > By the way, was the sky really that blue every day or has someone > been > busy with photoshop? > > Steve vestuti G-CEBV #573 in S.Wales. > > > > > > > Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:23:13 PM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tail plane torque tube installation Hi all, For what its worth I believe that Loctite do sell a retarding agent to delay the curing process if you wanted to assemble as Fred has described. Paul > From: "Roger Bull" > Date: Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:29:24 AM US/Pacific > To: "Fred Klein" > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tailplane torque tube installation > > Fred, > > However it goes off very quickly, and you wouldn't have time to do it > as you suggest below. > Best regards, > > Roger > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fred Klein [mailto:fklein@orcasonline.com] > Sent: 07 September 2007 22:30 > To: Roger Bull > Subject: Fwd: Europa-List: Tailplane torque tube installation > > What do you think Roger? > >> It appears to me that the best way to apply loctite in this situation >> would be to rotate TP9 & TP12 on TP4 away from the holes, dispense the > >> loctite in the holes of TP9 & TP12 onto the surface of TP4, and then >> realign the holes, drive the pins, and "Bob's your uncle". >> >> >> Thanks for all responses, >> >> Fred >> A194 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:48:00 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tail plane torque tube installation From: Fred Klein While not wanting to beat a dead horse, being quite willing to await E04's new service bulletin, and lacking direct personal experience w/ Loctite 603, I note the following from a Loctite seller: > Product Description > High strength retainer for "as received" parts. Tolerant of oil and > other contamination. Seals and secures cylindrical assemblies up to > 0.004" (0.1 mm) radial clearance. Fixtures in 10 minutes. Prevents > fretting and corrosion of metal assemblies. Available Worldwide Though I've never encountered the usage of the word "Fixtures" in this sense, I would interpret it to mean that 10 minutes is the working life of the product which seems like ample time to coat the surfaces, spin the fitting, insert and drive home the pin....one fitting at a time of course. Fred > > > For what its worth I believe that Loctite do sell a retarding agent to > delay > the curing process if you wanted to assemble as Fred has described. > > Paul -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:12:28 PM PST US From: "Steve Hagar" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tank leaks My crack was right along one of the support straps. kit purchased in 1999 steve Hagar A143 Mesa, AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: Kingsley Hurst Sent: 9/9/2007 4:30:43 PM Subject: Europa-List: Tank leaks All, With respect to the fuel tanks cracking/splitting . . . . 1 Have cracks in the fuel tanks been confined only to the original (pre 'fluoride-treated') tanks, the (post 'fluoride-treated') tanks or both ? 2 Has everyone who has had cracks in a tank found that the support straps were firmly stuck to the tank ? Regards Kingsley in Oz ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:51:20 PM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Play in tailplane drive - Loctite Hi! Bill . Glue and plastic is acceptable IMHO metal needs welding or adequate bolts/pins. 914 6n hours done.Quite good but a completely different animal to the Jab. Regards Bob H G-PTAG Robt.C.Harrison -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill and Sue Sent: 10 September 2007 23:54 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Play in tailplane drive - Loctite Bob, The whole aeroplane is glued together! That seems to work pretty well. How are you getting on with your 914? Rgds Sue & Bill R.C.Harrison wrote: > > Steve, > IMHO I can not imaging how anyone could force you to use such a mickey > mouse fix as glue? And what's more I can not imagine the PFA giving its > blessing ? At what loading does it separate? What repeatability of > performance can be shown ? How can degreasing be guaranteed? Unless it > is used for destructive testing! Better use Jubilee clips ...at least > that is a known quantity factor! The PFA wouldn't clear that either ! > Regards > Bob Harrison. > PS Sorry but I can not contain my opinion any longer! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of steve v > Sent: 10 September 2007 21:58 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Play in tailplane drive - Loctite > > > Hi, Do you Know if we will be forced to Loctite the torquetube together? > > I for one do not want to willingly use loctite, i would prefer to use > Bobs clamps as > removal would be far easier. > > steve vestuti G-CEBV #573 > > > Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org > > > __________ NOD32 2519 (20070910) Information __________ > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:51:20 PM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tailplane torque tube installation Hi! Fred Sorry but I'm not "your uncle" but I do have a perfect removable fix to all the problems which doesn't have any doubts about the mixing of glue and metal components. I have already suffered it the hands of Loctite on the nose wheel yoke spindle if you remember? It cost me 18 months flying, thanks but no thanks. Regards BOB Harrison. Robt.C.Harrison -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Klein Sent: 11 September 2007 00:21 Subject: Europa-List: Tailplane torque tube installation This just in from E04 on subject topic. Begin forwarded message: > From: "Roger Bull" > Date: Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:29:24 AM US/Pacific > To: "Fred Klein" > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tailplane torque tube installation > > Fred, > > We shall probably soon be issuing a Service Bulletin which will > probably > require the TP9 and the two TP12's to be Loctited - however this is > still not finalised with the PFA. > > If it goes ahead the preferred Loctite will be 603, which is strong and > which is reasonably oil tolerant. However it goes off very quickly, > and > you wouldn't have time to do it as you suggest below. We have carried > out tests, and the bond is strong enough if the Loctite is introduced > by > capillary action to the components when they are in position. > > I suggest you wait until the Bulletin is finalised and published - it > will give enough detail for the method. > > Best regards, > > Roger > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fred Klein [mailto:fklein@orcasonline.com] > Sent: 07 September 2007 22:30 > To: Roger Bull > Subject: Fwd: Europa-List: Tailplane torque tube installation > > What do you think Roger? > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Fred Klein >> Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 12:13:56 PM US/Pacific >> To: europa-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Europa-List: Tailplane torque tube installation >> >> >> I am at the happy stage of preparing to tap home the four drive pins, >> attach the washers and cotter pins, and call it good; my goal is to >> ensure (or raise the level of probability) that no slop EVER develops >> between TP9, the two TP12's, and TP4. The question facing me is >> whether or not I should loctite these components together. >> >> I've read the posts of those who have ventured into the tailcone to >> deal w/ such slop (or "play") with profound admiration; if I'm ever in > >> the company of a Europaphile who's done this successfully, everyone >> present will enjoy a round of drinks on me. >> >> Since I am installing the 3/8" pins, my sense is that preventing wear >> from occurring is the key...hence the notion that loctiting now is >> better (and easier) than doing so later. My sense also is that if for >> some reason in the future I find the need to remove the torque tube, >> warming up the loctite so it will release will be the least of my >> problems. Having taken the torque tube to a machine shop to have the >> 1/4" holes enlarged for the 3/8" pins, I now have a good interference >> fit with no play whatsoever. >> >> It appears to me that the best way to apply loctite in this situation >> would be to rotate TP9 & TP12 on TP4 away from the holes, dispense the > >> loctite in the holes of TP9 & TP12 onto the surface of TP4, and then >> realign the holes, drive the pins, and "Bob's your uncle". >> >> Mentally, I've run this thru my "min/max regret analysis" and >> concluded that this is the thing to do. If anyone thinks this is >> unwise, please let me know before I do something stupid! And, if >> you'd known about the wear issues of these components when you were at > >> this stage, would you have used loctite? >> >> Thanks for all responses, >> >> Fred >> A194 >> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by >> MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >> > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > -- > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 11:06:26 PM PST US From: "G-IANI" Subject: FW: Europa-List: Old Sarum Fly in Old Sarum Europa Fly In Saturday September 15, 2007 Free Landing for Europas, Fuel available Come and meet the three resident Europas see Mod 64B (High Top with lowered cowl and bigger screen) Non Flying builders and potential owners Welcome You might even get a ride If you plan (weather permitting) to attend please contact Ian Rickard on 01483 714096 or e-mail (g-iani @ntlworld.com) By letting me know we can organise reserved Tables for Lunch (or Barbeque depending on numbers) Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear) e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.