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1. 12:51 AM - DOTH Rougham Sat (Richard Holder)
2. 02:10 AM - Re: DOTH Rougham Sat (Paddy Clarke)
3. 02:36 AM - Re: A Bitter Sweet Moment (Alan Burrows)
4. 07:35 AM - Re: A Bitter Sweet Moment (Steve Crimm)
5. 03:04 PM - Aileron hinges and sagging (craig bastin)
6. 03:57 PM - Re: Aileron hinges and sagging (Graham Singleton)
7. 04:37 PM - Center Console (Paul McAllister)
8. 04:55 PM - Re: Center Console (Graham Singleton)
9. 04:55 PM - Re: Aileron hinges and sagging (jimpuglise@comcast.net)
10. 08:03 PM - Re: Aileron hinges and sagging (Fred Klein)
11. 09:51 PM - Re: Aileron hinges and sagging (Lance Sandford)
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| Subject: | DOTH Rougham Sat |
Near Bury St Edmunds in Suffolk. On the chart !
Richard Holder
Alan Burrows wrote:
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> Hi Paddy
>
> Where is Rougham, I cant seem to find it on my NAVBOX program?
>
> Alan
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| Subject: | Re: DOTH Rougham Sat |
Hi Alan,
Bury St Edmonds,
Cheers, Paddy
On 6 Oct 2007, at 0:13, Alan Burrows wrote:
> insurance.com>
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> Hi Paddy
>
> Where is Rougham, I cant seem to find it on my NAVBOX program?
>
> Alan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paddy
> Clarke
> Sent: 05 October 2007 17:19
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: DOTH Rougham Sat
>
> <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
>
> Hi Folks,
> Anyone fancy a DOTH to Rougham tomorrow ( Saturday ), to take
> advantage of the fine weather. They are doing what they call a '
> Ploughs to Propellers 1940s Weekend' which includes a flower fruit
> and vegetable show. It could be a bit more female friendly than
> usual, so maybe a few wives/girlfriends would enjoy it.
> All the Best, Paddy
>
>
> Paddy Clarke
>
> Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM
>
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> 17:03
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> 17:03
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Paddy Clarke
Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM
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| Subject: | A Bitter Sweet Moment |
Steve
How "southeast" are you, as Kate and I spend the winter months in Daytona
Florida and would love to meet up, if you are around (maybe we will persuade
you to buy another Europa).
Cheers
Alan
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Crimm
Sent: 06 October 2007 02:48
Subject: Europa-List: A Bitter Sweet Moment
<steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
Flight
Yesterday I completed the sale of my Europa to a very nice fellow by the
name of Venu Rao from Austin, TX.
The last three years of being associated with this elite group has been an
honor and pleasure for Bobbi and myself. Our last gathering at Rough River
was a great get together which exemplifies those who are building and flying
Europa's.
While I will be no longer monitoring this list, going to be hanging out over
with the RV guys, hopefully my next aircraft. I will be checking in every
so often to catch up. Please let me now of any group get together in the
south east as I would love to come visit.
Thanks again,
Steve & Bobbi Crimm
17:03
18:53
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| Subject: | A Bitter Sweet Moment |
Alan, we are in Atlanta.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Burrows
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 05:36
Subject: RE: Europa-List: A Bitter Sweet Moment
--> <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Steve
How "southeast" are you, as Kate and I spend the winter months in Daytona
Florida and would love to meet up, if you are around (maybe we will persuade
you to buy another Europa).
Cheers
Alan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Crimm
Sent: 06 October 2007 02:48
Subject: Europa-List: A Bitter Sweet Moment
<steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
Flight
Yesterday I completed the sale of my Europa to a very nice fellow by the
name of Venu Rao from Austin, TX.
The last three years of being associated with this elite group has been an
honor and pleasure for Bobbi and myself. Our last gathering at Rough River
was a great get together which exemplifies those who are building and flying
Europa's.
While I will be no longer monitoring this list, going to be hanging out over
with the RV guys, hopefully my next aircraft. I will be checking in every
so often to catch up. Please let me now of any group get together in the
south east as I would love to come visit.
Thanks again,
Steve & Bobbi Crimm
17:03
18:53
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| Subject: | Aileron hinges and sagging |
i have seen a few of you talking about your ailerons sagging a bit at the
tips, and using a third hinge,
so i was thinking about moving the centre hinge inboard about 200mm and
fitting the third hinge during the
build. Can anyone see any problems with doing this, or will i stuff up some
thing i am not up to yet, or not
aware of. I realise i need to dodge the sites of the mass balance arms, but
other than that i cant see
why i shouldnt do this now
thanks
craig
6:53 PM
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron hinges and sagging |
Craig
I can't think why not either, just be certain all three hinges are in
line which means care with initial fitting.
I don't quite agree with the manual here; at inital fit flox the hinges
on jigged to a straight extrusion and let the flox cure before pulling
the rivets because if you do that while the flox is wet you will
probably distort something.
Graham
craig bastin wrote:
I realise i need to dodge the sites of the mass balance arms, but
> other than that i cant see
> why i shouldnt do this now
>
> thanks
>
> craig
> 6:53 PM
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Graham Singleton
Tel: +441629820187
Mob: +447739582005
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Hi all,
I seem to recall quite some time ago that someone (perhaps Miles or
Nigel) had done some analysis on how much the center tunnel can be
safely reduced in size without affecting the structural integrity of
the aircraft. I believe that it was with reference to the tail
dragger conversion, however I would assume that its equally applicable
to the Trigear.
Can anyone point me towards that discussion.
Thanks, Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Center Console |
Paul
for reasons which I'm sure you know, I don't think its wise to take any
of it away. It helps to stop the main spar breaking your back in a
crash. It also forms a nice elbow rest.
Graham
Paul McAllister wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I seem to recall quite some time ago that someone (perhaps Miles or
> Nigel) had done some analysis on how much the center tunnel can be
> safely reduced in size without affecting the structural integrity of
> the aircraft. I believe that it was with reference to the tail
> dragger conversion, however I would assume that its equally applicable
> to the Trigear.
>
> Can anyone point me towards that discussion.
>
> Thanks, Paul
>
>
>
>
>
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Graham Singleton
Tel: +441629820187
Mob: +447739582005
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron hinges and sagging |
Craig-
I am at about the same place you are and added a third hinge close to the wingtip.
When I did my initial fitting, the tip drooped about 3/16. It appeared to
me more like the aileron was warped than just sagging. In retrospect, I would
have been better off moving the center hinge a few inches inboard before I
did so. It sounds like you are on the right track. The hinge material BTW is
standard issue from AS.
Jim Puglise A-283
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "craig bastin" <craigb@onthenet.com.au>
>
>
> i have seen a few of you talking about your ailerons sagging a bit at the
> tips, and using a third hinge,
> so i was thinking about moving the centre hinge inboard about 200mm and
> fitting the third hinge during the
> build. Can anyone see any problems with doing this, or will i stuff up some
> thing i am not up to yet, or not
> aware of. I realise i need to dodge the sites of the mass balance arms, but
> other than that i cant see
> why i shouldnt do this now
>
> thanks
>
> craig
> 6:53 PM
>
>
>
>
>
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<DIV>I am at about the same place you are and added a third hinge close to the
wingtip. When I did my initial fitting, the tip drooped about 3/16.
It appeared to me more like the aileron was warped than just sagging.
In retrospect, I would have been better off moving the center hinge a few inches
inboard before I did so. It sounds like you are on the right track.
The hinge material BTW is standard issue from AS. </DIV>
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<DIV>Jim Puglise A-283</DIV>
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron hinges and sagging |
> i have seen a few of you talking about your ailerons sagging a bit at
> the tips, and using a third hinge, so i was thinking about moving the
> centre hinge inboard about 200mm and fitting the third hinge during
> the build.
Craig,
FWIW, I'd read about guys adding a 3rd hinge, and I'd had some concerns
about the distance between the two hinges being long so I added a 5.5"
hinge midway between the 2 as per plans. When it came to mounting the
ailerons, I found that my tips sagged about 1/8" and ultimately added a
2.5" hinge at the tip.
good luck,
Fred
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron hinges and sagging |
Craig
Welcome to the Forum.
Ive been in Melbourne for 5 weeks and hadnt heard you had actually
taken the plunge.
I see you have had plenty of good advise on the aileron hinge.
Another good place for an extra hinge is above the lower rudder hinge.
Have fun.
P.S. I got my video back thanks.
Lance Sandford
>
>
> i have seen a few of you talking about your ailerons sagging a bit at the
> tips, and using a third hinge,
> so i was thinking about moving the centre hinge inboard about 200mm and
> fitting the third hinge during the
> build. Can anyone see any problems with doing this, or will i stuff up some
> thing i am not up to yet, or not
> aware of. I realise i need to dodge the sites of the mass balance arms, but
> other than that i cant see
> why i shouldnt do this now
>
> thanks
>
> craig
> 6:53 PM
>
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