---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 10/06/07: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:51 AM - DOTH Rougham Sat (Richard Holder) 2. 02:10 AM - Re: DOTH Rougham Sat (Paddy Clarke) 3. 02:36 AM - Re: A Bitter Sweet Moment (Alan Burrows) 4. 07:35 AM - Re: A Bitter Sweet Moment (Steve Crimm) 5. 03:04 PM - Aileron hinges and sagging (craig bastin) 6. 03:57 PM - Re: Aileron hinges and sagging (Graham Singleton) 7. 04:37 PM - Center Console (Paul McAllister) 8. 04:55 PM - Re: Center Console (Graham Singleton) 9. 04:55 PM - Re: Aileron hinges and sagging (jimpuglise@comcast.net) 10. 08:03 PM - Re: Aileron hinges and sagging (Fred Klein) 11. 09:51 PM - Re: Aileron hinges and sagging (Lance Sandford) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:51:48 AM PST US From: Richard Holder Subject: Europa-List: DOTH Rougham Sat Near Bury St Edmunds in Suffolk. On the chart ! Richard Holder Alan Burrows wrote: > > Hi Paddy > > Where is Rougham, I cant seem to find it on my NAVBOX program? > > Alan ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:10:01 AM PST US From: Paddy Clarke Subject: Re: Europa-List: DOTH Rougham Sat Hi Alan, Bury St Edmonds, Cheers, Paddy On 6 Oct 2007, at 0:13, Alan Burrows wrote: > insurance.com> > > Hi Paddy > > Where is Rougham, I cant seem to find it on my NAVBOX program? > > Alan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paddy > Clarke > Sent: 05 October 2007 17:19 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: DOTH Rougham Sat > > > > Hi Folks, > Anyone fancy a DOTH to Rougham tomorrow ( Saturday ), to take > advantage of the fine weather. They are doing what they call a ' > Ploughs to Propellers 1940s Weekend' which includes a flower fruit > and vegetable show. It could be a bit more female friendly than > usual, so maybe a few wives/girlfriends would enjoy it. > All the Best, Paddy > > > Paddy Clarke > > Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM > > > 17:03 > > > 17:03 > > Paddy Clarke Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:36:16 AM PST US From: "Alan Burrows" Subject: RE: Europa-List: A Bitter Sweet Moment Steve How "southeast" are you, as Kate and I spend the winter months in Daytona Florida and would love to meet up, if you are around (maybe we will persuade you to buy another Europa). Cheers Alan -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Crimm Sent: 06 October 2007 02:48 Subject: Europa-List: A Bitter Sweet Moment Flight Yesterday I completed the sale of my Europa to a very nice fellow by the name of Venu Rao from Austin, TX. The last three years of being associated with this elite group has been an honor and pleasure for Bobbi and myself. Our last gathering at Rough River was a great get together which exemplifies those who are building and flying Europa's. While I will be no longer monitoring this list, going to be hanging out over with the RV guys, hopefully my next aircraft. I will be checking in every so often to catch up. Please let me now of any group get together in the south east as I would love to come visit. Thanks again, Steve & Bobbi Crimm 17:03 18:53 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:29 AM PST US From: "Steve Crimm" Subject: RE: Europa-List: A Bitter Sweet Moment Alan, we are in Atlanta. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Burrows Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 05:36 Subject: RE: Europa-List: A Bitter Sweet Moment --> Steve How "southeast" are you, as Kate and I spend the winter months in Daytona Florida and would love to meet up, if you are around (maybe we will persuade you to buy another Europa). Cheers Alan -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Crimm Sent: 06 October 2007 02:48 Subject: Europa-List: A Bitter Sweet Moment Flight Yesterday I completed the sale of my Europa to a very nice fellow by the name of Venu Rao from Austin, TX. The last three years of being associated with this elite group has been an honor and pleasure for Bobbi and myself. Our last gathering at Rough River was a great get together which exemplifies those who are building and flying Europa's. While I will be no longer monitoring this list, going to be hanging out over with the RV guys, hopefully my next aircraft. I will be checking in every so often to catch up. Please let me now of any group get together in the south east as I would love to come visit. Thanks again, Steve & Bobbi Crimm 17:03 18:53 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:04:54 PM PST US From: "craig bastin" Subject: Europa-List: Aileron hinges and sagging i have seen a few of you talking about your ailerons sagging a bit at the tips, and using a third hinge, so i was thinking about moving the centre hinge inboard about 200mm and fitting the third hinge during the build. Can anyone see any problems with doing this, or will i stuff up some thing i am not up to yet, or not aware of. I realise i need to dodge the sites of the mass balance arms, but other than that i cant see why i shouldnt do this now thanks craig 6:53 PM ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:57:37 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aileron hinges and sagging Craig I can't think why not either, just be certain all three hinges are in line which means care with initial fitting. I don't quite agree with the manual here; at inital fit flox the hinges on jigged to a straight extrusion and let the flox cure before pulling the rivets because if you do that while the flox is wet you will probably distort something. Graham craig bastin wrote: I realise i need to dodge the sites of the mass balance arms, but > other than that i cant see > why i shouldnt do this now > > thanks > > craig > 6:53 PM > > > > > > -- Graham Singleton Tel: +441629820187 Mob: +447739582005 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:37:55 PM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: Europa-List: Center Console Hi all, I seem to recall quite some time ago that someone (perhaps Miles or Nigel) had done some analysis on how much the center tunnel can be safely reduced in size without affecting the structural integrity of the aircraft. I believe that it was with reference to the tail dragger conversion, however I would assume that its equally applicable to the Trigear. Can anyone point me towards that discussion. Thanks, Paul ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:55:59 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Center Console Paul for reasons which I'm sure you know, I don't think its wise to take any of it away. It helps to stop the main spar breaking your back in a crash. It also forms a nice elbow rest. Graham Paul McAllister wrote: > > Hi all, > > I seem to recall quite some time ago that someone (perhaps Miles or > Nigel) had done some analysis on how much the center tunnel can be > safely reduced in size without affecting the structural integrity of > the aircraft. I believe that it was with reference to the tail > dragger conversion, however I would assume that its equally applicable > to the Trigear. > > Can anyone point me towards that discussion. > > Thanks, Paul > > > > > -- Graham Singleton Tel: +441629820187 Mob: +447739582005 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:55:59 PM PST US From: jimpuglise@comcast.net Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aileron hinges and sagging Craig- I am at about the same place you are and added a third hinge close to the wingtip. When I did my initial fitting, the tip drooped about 3/16. It appeared to me more like the aileron was warped than just sagging. In retrospect, I would have been better off moving the center hinge a few inches inboard before I did so. It sounds like you are on the right track. The hinge material BTW is standard issue from AS. Jim Puglise A-283 -------------- Original message -------------- From: "craig bastin" > > > i have seen a few of you talking about your ailerons sagging a bit at the > tips, and using a third hinge, > so i was thinking about moving the centre hinge inboard about 200mm and > fitting the third hinge during the > build. Can anyone see any problems with doing this, or will i stuff up some > thing i am not up to yet, or not > aware of. I realise i need to dodge the sites of the mass balance arms, but > other than that i cant see > why i shouldnt do this now > > thanks > > craig > 6:53 PM > > > > >
Craig-
 
I am at about the same place you are and added a third hinge close to the wingtip.  When I did my initial fitting, the tip drooped about 3/16.  It appeared to me more like the aileron was warped than just sagging.  In retrospect, I would have been better off moving the center hinge a few inches inboard before I did so.  It sounds like you are on the right track.  The hinge material BTW is standard issue from AS. 
 
Jim Puglise A-283
 
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________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:03:13 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aileron hinges and sagging From: Fred Klein > i have seen a few of you talking about your ailerons sagging a bit at > the tips, and using a third hinge, so i was thinking about moving the > centre hinge inboard about 200mm and fitting the third hinge during > the build. Craig, FWIW, I'd read about guys adding a 3rd hinge, and I'd had some concerns about the distance between the two hinges being long so I added a 5.5" hinge midway between the 2 as per plans. When it came to mounting the ailerons, I found that my tips sagged about 1/8" and ultimately added a 2.5" hinge at the tip. good luck, Fred A194 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:07 PM PST US From: Lance Sandford Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aileron hinges and sagging Craig Welcome to the Forum. Ive been in Melbourne for 5 weeks and hadnt heard you had actually taken the plunge. I see you have had plenty of good advise on the aileron hinge. Another good place for an extra hinge is above the lower rudder hinge. Have fun. P.S. I got my video back thanks. Lance Sandford > > > i have seen a few of you talking about your ailerons sagging a bit at the > tips, and using a third hinge, > so i was thinking about moving the centre hinge inboard about 200mm and > fitting the third hinge during the > build. Can anyone see any problems with doing this, or will i stuff up some > thing i am not up to yet, or not > aware of. I realise i need to dodge the sites of the mass balance arms, but > other than that i cant see > why i shouldnt do this now > > thanks > > craig > 6:53 PM > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.