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Mon 10/08/07


Total Messages Posted: 11



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     1. 01:17 AM - Re: Center console (John Cliff)
     2. 02:27 AM - Re: centre console (Fred Klein)
     3. 03:09 AM - Re: Autocad drawing of XS mono (G-IANI)
     4. 03:34 AM - Re: Center Console (G-IANI)
     5. 06:05 AM - Re: Out rigger latching postmortem (Graeme Smith)
     6. 07:35 AM - Re: centre console (JEFF ROBERTS)
     7. 10:49 AM - Re: Out rigger latching postmortem (Graham Singleton)
     8. 11:22 AM - Re: Center Console (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
     9. 11:40 AM - Re: Out rigger latching postmortem (Fred Klein)
    10. 03:09 PM - Re: Out rigger latching postmortem (Paul McAllister)
    11. 05:34 PM - Re: centre console (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
 
 
 


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    Time: 01:17:31 AM PST US
    From: "John Cliff" <mx@jcliff.waitrose.com>
    Subject: Re: Center console
    Sometime around 2000 I enquired of PFA Engineering about the possibility of cutting down the centre tunnel (on a Classic) in the vertical plane at the same time as carrying out a taildragger conversion. I was informally told they might not be too happy about that because they weren't sure the front fuselage would be strong enough to cope with a very heavy landing with engine now hung a long way in front of the attachment point for the front wheels (the deeper the tunnel is the stronger a beam it makes, vertically). Evidently a Europa had suffered a wrinkled front fuselage some time before that in a heavy arrival incident. Much more in-service experience since then, of course. John Cliff #0259


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    Time: 02:27:43 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: centre console
    From: Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com>
    > We cut this console down but added several layers of bid to reinforce > the inside. We then created the top with 5 layers of bid. It's secured > with #10 screws and nut plates. The left seat was widened by > reshapeing the left side of the console to allow for more leg room. > This was done with 3 layers of bid over a center of 1/4 inch foam > shaped to allow a right leg more room. As you can see it makes a great > arm rest and a lot more room for toys. The fuel filters are located > right under the arm rest and can be viewed in flight anytime. Jeff...what an absolutely elegant mod...I salute you. I take it all this was done prior to CM installation...(?) Fred A194 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.


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    Time: 03:09:53 AM PST US
    From: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
    Subject: Autocad drawing of XS mono
    On behalf of the Club I hold Autocad drawings for the Europa. These are available on the CD sent to new members. We have both mono and Trigear and the Hi-Top outlines. They are reasonably accurate but the factory confused some of the classic details with the XS. They have been checked where detail was needed. I also have a range of other detailed drawings for areas such as the foot wells, the 914 engine etc. Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear) e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com -----Original Message----- does anyone have a good Autocad drawing of the XS mono.


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    Time: 03:34:26 AM PST US
    From: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
    Subject: Center Console
    The centre tunnel has been reduced or reshaped in a number of aircraft. I produced PFA mod number 10601 in 2002 and it is the only one approved "all of type" by the PFA. This has not been converted into a standard as it is complex. It modified the centre tunnel and the panel to match and moved the location of the fuel cock. I have attached a PDF of the drawing to give you some idea of what was done. Barry Mellor, who did the original stress calculations on the aircraft, did the stress calculations. I have machine readable copies of these if they would be of help. Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear) e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com


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    Time: 06:05:35 AM PST US
    From: "Graeme Smith" <gcsmith@flyer.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: Out rigger latching postmortem
    Paul, Having suffered an overcentre locking failure, I can agree with your sentiments. I agree that a taildragger configuration would be a great improvement, do you have a suitable design/approved mod? I heard that the PFA were not approving any more of the 'Swiss' modification until feedback from the ones that have already been implemented. Do you have any others in mind? Regards, Graeme Smith On 07/10/2007, Paul McAllister <paul.the.aviator@gmail.com> wrote: > > paul.the.aviator@gmail.com> > > Hi all, > > As some of you may recall I had an incident where my port out rigger > didn't latch. I did some work on it this weekend and discovered that > the head of a castellated nut had been catching the side of the W21 > outrigger plate. > > If you look at the drawing on the bottom left hand corner on page 9-23 > of the manual you will see that a AN4-11 drilled bolt passes through > the top of the outrigger leg OR1 attaching it to OR4. The AN4-11 bolt > is fitted with a AN310 castellated nut. > > What happening was that there was enough play where the bolt goes > through the OR4 latch arm to allow OR1 to twist sideways so that the > nut catches on the side of the W21 outrigger plate. > > What I did was to shorten the AN4-11 drilled bolt by 2mm and use a low > profile castellated nut, I believe that they are designated AN320 (not > certain). In addition I fitted another AN960-416L washer in the slot > of OR1 to take up the slack between it and the OR4 latch. > > All seems well now, but I would encourage everyone to take a look on > the inside of there W21 outrigger plate to check for signs of > catching. > > I intend to fit a micro switch to detect gear down and locked, but I > am afraid to say the the ultimate solution will be to convert my > aircraft into a conventional tail dragger. Another instance of the > outrigger not locking or the main gear over center lock failing is > more than I would want to contemplate at some remote airstrip. > > Regards, Paul > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > >


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    Time: 07:35:30 AM PST US
    From: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net>
    Subject: Re: centre console
    >> > > Jeff...what an absolutely elegant mod...I salute you. I take it all > this was done prior to CM installation...(?) Yes, This was all done before, but I cannot take total credit for it. There we're several done this way at Flight Crafters in Florida. I just took it to the next level by increasing the leg room at the side of the CM. Now if I could just get all the cylinders to run at closer temps I would be happy. Still working on that though. Looks like I'm going to need to by the baffling that was supposed to be supplied with the firewall forward kit that I never received. I believe I have run out of other options. The engine is cooling but not evenly. If anyone out there has a picture of one please post it. Maybe I can make it. Regards, Jeff R. A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 90 hours. > > Fred > A194 > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > >


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    Time: 10:49:19 AM PST US
    From: Graham Singleton <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: Out rigger latching postmortem
    Graeme you might talk to Miles McCallum? Graham Graeme Smith wrote: > Paul, > > Having suffered an overcentre locking failure, I can agree with your > sentiments. I agree that a taildragger configuration would be a great > improvement, do you have a suitable design/approved mod? I heard that > the PFA were not approving any more of the 'Swiss' modification until > feedback from the ones that have already been implemented. Do you have > any others in mind? > > Regards, > Graeme Smith > > > On 07/10/2007, *Paul McAllister* <paul.the.aviator@gmail.com > <mailto:paul.the.aviator@gmail.com>> wrote: > > paul.the.aviator@gmail.com <mailto:paul.the.aviator@gmail.com>> > > Hi all, > > As some of you may recall I had an incident where my port out rigger > didn't latch. I did some work on it this weekend and discovered that > the head of a castellated nut had been catching the side of the W21 > outrigger plate. > > If you look at the drawing on the bottom left hand corner on page 9-23 > of the manual you will see that a AN4-11 drilled bolt passes through > the top of the outrigger leg OR1 attaching it to OR4. The AN4-11 bolt > is fitted with a AN310 castellated nut. > > What happening was that there was enough play where the bolt goes > through the OR4 latch arm to allow OR1 to twist sideways so that the > nut catches on the side of the W21 outrigger plate. > > What I did was to shorten the AN4-11 drilled bolt by 2mm and use a low > profile castellated nut, I believe that they are designated AN320 (not > certain). In addition I fitted another AN960-416L washer in the slot > of OR1 to take up the slack between it and the OR4 latch. > > All seems well now, but I would encourage everyone to take a look on > the inside of there W21 outrigger plate to check for signs of > catching. > > I intend to fit a micro switch to detect gear down and locked, but I > am afraid to say the the ultimate solution will be to convert my > aircraft into a conventional tail dragger. Another instance of the > outrigger not locking or the main gear over center lock failing is > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > > > * > > > * -- Graham Singleton Tel: +441629820187 Mob: +447739582005


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    Time: 11:22:44 AM PST US
    From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: Center Console
    Ian, Is that Mod with the underside of the fus skin cut out for the monowheel? Obviously not if it is to work with the trigear. But if the a/c has been converted from mono to TD, then it may have a big structural hole in the underside that invalidates this Mod! Duncan McF. ----- Original Message ----- From: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 10:32 AM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Center Console > > The centre tunnel has been reduced or reshaped in a number of aircraft. > I produced PFA mod number 10601 in 2002 and it is the only one approved > "all of type" by the PFA. This has not been converted into a standard > as it is complex. It modified the centre tunnel and the panel to match > and moved the location of the fuel cock. I have attached a PDF of the > drawing to give you some idea of what was done. > > Barry Mellor, who did the original stress calculations on the aircraft, > did the stress calculations. I have machine readable copies of these if > they would be of help. > > Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear > Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear) > e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk > or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com > > >


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    Time: 11:40:48 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Out rigger latching postmortem
    From: Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com>
    On Monday, October 8, 2007, at 06:04 AM, Graeme Smith wrote: > I agree that a taildragger configuration would be a great > improvement, do you havea suitable design/approved mod?I heard that > the PFA were not approving any more of the'Swiss' modification until > feedback from the ones that have alreadybeen implemented. Do you have > any others in mind? Graeme, You might check w/ Bob Berube at FlightCrafters.com... Fred -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.


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    Time: 03:09:56 PM PST US
    From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.the.aviator@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Out rigger latching postmortem
    Graeme, I intend to use the modification designed by Bob Berbue. I can forward you on some photographs if that will help. Paul On 10/8/07, Graeme Smith <gcsmith@flyer.co.uk> wrote: > Paul, > > Having suffered an overcentre locking failure, I can agree with your > sentiments. I agree that a taildragger configuration would be a great > improvement, do you have a suitable design/approved mod? I heard that the > PFA were not approving any more of the 'Swiss' modification until feedback > from the ones that have already been implemented. Do you have any others in > mind? > > Regards, > Graeme Smith > > > On 07/10/2007, Paul McAllister <paul.the.aviator@gmail.com> wrote: > paul.the.aviator@gmail.com> > > > > Hi all, > > > > As some of you may recall I had an incident where my port out rigger > > didn't latch. I did some work on it this weekend and discovered that > > the head of a castellated nut had been catching the side of the W21 > > outrigger plate. > > > > If you look at the drawing on the bottom left hand corner on page 9-23 > > of the manual you will see that a AN4-11 drilled bolt passes through > > the top of the outrigger leg OR1 attaching it to OR4. The AN4-11 bolt > > is fitted with a AN310 castellated nut. > > > > What happening was that there was enough play where the bolt goes > > through the OR4 latch arm to allow OR1 to twist sideways so that the > > nut catches on the side of the W21 outrigger plate. > > > > What I did was to shorten the AN4-11 drilled bolt by 2mm and use a low > > profile castellated nut, I believe that they are designated AN320 (not > > certain). In addition I fitted another AN960-416L washer in the slot > > of OR1 to take up the slack between it and the OR4 latch. > > > > All seems well now, but I would encourage everyone to take a look on > > the inside of there W21 outrigger plate to check for signs of > > catching. > > > > I intend to fit a micro switch to detect gear down and locked, but I > > am afraid to say the the ultimate solution will be to convert my > > aircraft into a conventional tail dragger. Another instance of the > > outrigger not locking or the main gear over center lock failing is > > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > > believed to be clean. > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 05:34:01 PM PST US
    From: DuaneFamly@aol.com
    Subject: Re: centre console
    This is what I got with my Jabiru 3300A. If you would like pix of just the cowls....let me know off-list and I'll take pix and send them to you. Mike Duane A207A Redding, California XS Conventional Gear Jabiru 3300 Sensenich R64Z N Ground Adjustable Prop




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