---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 10/15/07: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:30 AM - Re: Re: Europa Training Standards (Andrew Sarangan) 2. 10:53 AM - Re: Re: Europa Training Standards (Gilles Thesee) 3. 01:13 PM - Regrets......Torque Tube Clamp Orders....... (Robt.C.Harrison) 4. 03:40 PM - Re: Re: Europa Training Standards (Andrew Sarangan) 5. 03:50 PM - Re: Mods (SteveD) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:30:21 AM PST US From: Andrew Sarangan Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa Training Standards A formal transition training for the Europa is something that is still sorely lacking. Most pilots seem to jump right into their newly built Europas with no prior experience. I have taken several demo rides in the Europa, but I have never touched the controls during takeoffs and landings. In fact, when I took the first demo ride at the then Lakeland office, I was surprised that I was not offered to handle the takeoff and landing. One of my friends who also went to Lakeland for a demo, decided to not buy the Europa solely based on the fact that he was not given that opportunity. He is building an RV now. Velocity Aircraft offers a nice training that includes ground and flight in their factory aircraft. This is something that the UK factory ought to give some thought to. It could also be a good source of revenue for them. --- Venu Rao wrote: > > Has anyone taken a stab at this? Are there any high time Europa > monowheel pilots in the States who are open to providing some > of this transition training and/or helping to outline some standards? > > Cheers, > Venu > > -------- > Venu Rao > 058 - Europa XS Monowheel > Builder: Jim Nelson > 150 hrs > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140020#140020 > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:53:39 AM PST US From: Gilles Thesee Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa Training Standards Andrew Sarangan a crit : > In fact, when I took the first demo ride at the then Lakeland > office, I was surprised that I was not offered to handle the takeoff > and landing. One of my friends who also went to Lakeland for a demo, > decided to not buy the Europa solely based on the fact that he was not > given that opportunity. Andrew and all, I'm a bit surprised. Why would a demopilot or instructor *not* offer to fly the airplane from startup to landing ? I understand your friend : I also would be wary of an airplane I'm not allowed to take off and land. My first answer when asked about a particular model is, fly the airplane before making any decisions. What was wrong with that particular airplane (or demo pilot ;-))) Best regards, -- Gilles Thesee http://contrails.free.fr ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:13:57 PM PST US From: "Robt.C.Harrison" Subject: Europa-List: Regrets......Torque Tube Clamp Orders....... Hi! All You may have noticed I've been "out of cyber space" lately ? Well ...my damn computer crashed big time .took every little morsel of info with it and out of a certain ignorance of computer terminology... I thought the term "archive" was what I NOW UNDERSTAND is "back up" ! So here's the first communication (thanks to Ivor Phillips and a certain Indian named "Amer" ) from the new set up! (Except until my son returns from his Greek holiday I just may rescue my list of contacts info. from my phone!) The message starts with an apology !.. I'm sorry to have to use the site as a sales tool BUT.. would all those who have not placed orders with hard cash up front (those who have can rest easy I have their details ) and who would like to be in the first order batch ..about to start production please communicate with me immediately, otherwise be prepared for a wait until the second batch numbers are sufficient. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:40:56 PM PST US From: Andrew Sarangan Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa Training Standards I was surprised too. My first ride was with Bob Berube when he used to work for Europa. Second ride was with Jim Thursby (if I recall correctly). Both times I handled the controls once we were in the air, but relinquished the controls for takeoff and landing. As a flight instructor I know that it takes some training experience to let someone else do the takeoff and landing, especially in a aircraft that could ground loop. Even though I am building a monowheel I have never experienced its ground handling. And I know I am not the only one. --- Gilles Thesee wrote: > > > Andrew Sarangan a crit : > > In fact, when I took the first demo ride at the then Lakeland > > office, I was surprised that I was not offered to handle the > takeoff > > and landing. One of my friends who also went to Lakeland for a > demo, > > decided to not buy the Europa solely based on the fact that he was > not > > given that opportunity. > > Andrew and all, > > I'm a bit surprised. > Why would a demopilot or instructor *not* offer to fly the airplane > from > startup to landing ? > I understand your friend : I also would be wary of an airplane I'm > not > allowed to take off and land. > My first answer when asked about a particular model is, fly the > airplane > before making any decisions. > > What was wrong with that particular airplane (or demo pilot ;-))) > Best regards, > -- > Gilles Thesee > http://contrails.free.fr > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:50:18 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Mods From: "SteveD" Choperpaul, I think I know why all the silence. The email address you signed up with choperpaul@yahoo.com is bouncing. Email me with a good address and I'll fix you up. Also the Matronics email list is not reflecting your posts to the list-server. I can fix that too if you like. 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