---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 10/16/07: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:54 AM - Re: Europa Training Standards (G&TPowell) 2. 08:06 AM - DOTH Alert (bryan allsop) 3. 08:12 AM - Re: Europa Training Standards (Venu Rao) 4. 08:46 AM - Re: Re: Europa Training Standards (Robert Borger) 5. 09:18 AM - DOTH Alert (Richard Holder) 6. 10:10 AM - Re: Re: Europa Training Standards (Fred Klein) 7. 10:52 AM - Europa Training Standards (Fergus Kyle) 8. 11:40 AM - Re: DOTH Alert (Steve Pitt) 9. 11:51 AM - Re: FW: Red Arrows "Too British"!!!! (Nigel Graham) 10. 01:16 PM - Wanted: Rotax 914 (darinh) 11. 06:52 PM - Re: Re: Europa Training Standards (Rick Stockton) 12. 08:59 PM - Europa for Sale (Craig Ellison) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:54:32 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa Training Standards From: "G&TPowell" I got my first demo ride in a monowheel at Sun N Fun in the 90's with the factory test pilot. I did not take off or land, but did fly quite a bit in the air. At Sun N Fun in 1997, I got a demo in a tri-gear with John Hurst, and I flew the plane myself from taxi to take-off to landing and taxi in. I was happy to let the test pilot take off and land the monowheel, but I felt comfortable enough with the tri-gear to do everything. Just my 2 cents' worth. George Powell Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:06:01 AM PST US From: bryan allsop Subject: Europa-List: DOTH Alert For those interested, a doth is being plotted for friday. A choice of Beccl es, Old Bucenham, Sandtoft, Sheffield, and Shobdon exists from the Pilot Ma gazine freebies. The first two have a novelty factor, the last three have s omewhere to eat on site. Watch this space! Bryan Allsop _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts!- Play Star Shuffle:- the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oc t ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:12:08 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa Training Standards From: "Venu Rao" Hope I'm not flogging a dead horse...please let me know if this issue is a "no-go". I recently bought Steve Crimm's monowheel - think it's a beautiful, sleek a/c in this config, but agree with Steve's original post about getting a list of "named" monowheel owners who could possibly help establish some basic training on the mono - particularly if the Europa team cannot provide this for insurance, liability or other reasons... Has anyone provided more formal feedback to the Europa team regarding these related topics, namely: 1/ Feedback on Demo Flts 2/ Need for monowheel transition training 3/ Providing a possible fee-based training program for neophytes like myself! Hate hearing about people steering away from the Europa mono - it's one of the most elegant designs in aviation! Cheers, Venu -------- Venu Rao 058 - Europa XS Monowheel Builder: Jim Nelson 150 hrs Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140269#140269 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:46:48 AM PST US From: Robert Borger Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa Training Standards Venu, You have purchased a lovely ship. And I agree with you that the Europa Monowheel is a sleek, elegant design. After all, I'm building one. It would be a fine idea to have a list of experienced Europa Monowheel owners willing to provide: 1. First Flight services for newly completed aircraft 2. Transition training for newly completed or newly purchased monowheel aircraft owners. At some point in the future, after I have completed my Europa, I would like to obtain my CFI in order to provide others such services. But that will be at some point in the future, not right now. It would be much better if the U.S. Europa team were to formally provide such services. I have not provided the Europa team feedback on demo flights, monowheel transition training or fee-based training for monowheel newbies. Bud, are you out there? If you are, I hereby provide such feedback. Good building and great flying, Bob Borger On Tuesday, October 16, 2007, at 10:25AM, "Venu Rao" wrote: > >Hope I'm not flogging a dead horse...please let me know if this issue is >a "no-go". > >I recently bought Steve Crimm's monowheel - think it's a beautiful, sleek a/c in this config, >but agree with Steve's original post about getting a list of "named" monowheel owners >who could possibly help establish some basic training on the mono - particularly if the >Europa team cannot provide this for insurance, liability or other reasons... > >Has anyone provided more formal feedback to the >Europa team regarding these related topics, namely: >1/ Feedback on Demo Flts >2/ Need for monowheel transition training >3/ Providing a possible fee-based training program for neophytes like >myself! > >Hate hearing about people steering away from the Europa mono - >it's one of the most elegant designs in aviation! > >Cheers, >Venu > >-------- >Venu Rao >058 - Europa XS Monowheel >Builder: Jim Nelson >150 hrs > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140269#140269 > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:18:40 AM PST US From: Richard Holder Subject: Europa-List: DOTH Alert Old Buckenham also has a restaurant ! And there HAS been a DOTH there before ! (Paddy, Alistair & Gerry !) :-D bryan allsop wrote: > For those interested, a doth is being plotted for > friday. A choice of Beccles, Old Bucenham, Sandtoft, > Sheffield, and Shobdon exists from the Pilot Magazine > freebies. The first two have a novelty factor, the last > three have somewhere to eat on site. Richard Holder G-OWWW High Cross ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:10:20 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa Training Standards From: Fred Klein On Tuesday, October 16, 2007, at 08:11 AM, Venu Rao wrote: > Hope I'm not flogging a dead horse...please let me know if this issue > is > a "no-go". > > Hate hearing about people steering away from the Europa mono - > it's one of the most elegant designs in aviation! Venu, Welcome to the Europa community...no dead horses here that I'm aware of. Your points are well made. Don't hesitate to ask for what you need. I agree totally w/ Bob Borger's post. Fred A194...still a-buildin' -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:52:38 AM PST US From: "Fergus Kyle" Subject: Europa-List: Europa Training Standards I agree that the mono version is not the kiddy-car that the tri-gear is - nor is a float plane or a flying boat. You won't see many demo pilots letting you take off in a float/boat either. That is not a reason to switch aircraft - it is a reason to sample the discipline. At my demo at Europa those many moons ago, I asked to 'follow through' on the controls and was allowed to. It was obvious to me that a different discipline was required. The directional control was as busy as that on a Yale or Harvard/SNJ/AT6 - but that's learning, not fear. Cheers, Ferg ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:40:11 AM PST US From: "Steve Pitt" Subject: Re: Europa-List: DOTH Alert Gents, I regret I am out of hours (tailplane) so will be unable to attend. Regards Steve Pitt G-SMDH ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:51:37 AM PST US From: "Nigel Graham" Subject: RE: Europa-List: FW: Red Arrows "Too British"!!!! Hello Chaps ....remember this one? Well it seems it was all a little bit of a misunderstanding! http://www.raf.mod.uk/reds/teamnews/index.cfm?storyid=66845B01-1143-EC82-2E3 76B2F89D95041 Now..... How many of you signed that petition? Nigel (the other one) ;-) Subject: [UKaerobatics] Red Arrows & the Olymipics... It takes 2-seconds to submit your signature to the petition; it is a reputable, fully registered, petition site The world-famous Red Arrows have been banned from appearing at the 2012 London Olympics because they are deemed "too British". Organisers of the event say that the Arrows military background might be "offensive" to other countries taking part in the Games. The display team have performed at more than 4000 events worldwide, but the Department of Culture, Media and Sport have deemed the display team "too militaristically British". Red Arrows pilots were said to be "outraged", as they had hoped to put on a truly world class display for the Games, something which had never been seen before. Being axed from a British-based event for being "too British" is an insult - the Arrows are a symbol of Britain. The Red Arrows have been excellent ambassadors for British overseas trade, as they display their British-built Hawk aircraft all over the world. The Arrows performed a short flypast in 2005 when the winning bid was announced, but their flypast at the Games was to have been truly spectacular. It is to be hoped that common sense prevails. If you disagree with this decision, sign the petition on the link below http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/RedArrows2012/?ref=redArrows2012 25/09/2007 08:02 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:16:55 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Wanted: Rotax 914 From: "darinh" Is there anyone out there that has a new or low time 914 they want to sell? Maybe someone who has started a kit and is not going to finish and needs to get out...? I am looking and have cash for a quick sale. Email off list at darinh@aquaeng.com if you have one or now of someone selling. Thanks, Darin -------- Darin Hawkes Series 7 (under Construction) 914 Turbo Ogden, Utah Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140313#140313 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:52:58 PM PST US From: Rick Stockton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa Training Standards Robert Borger and all the other Europa would be pilots. I offered my services as a Flight Instructor to Bub just after Oshkosk, but none of my 12K+ hours are in the Europa. It will take me two more years before I get the Tri-gear completed if I'm lucky. I have over 4K hours teaching in everything from Cessna 150 to the Navion, CE-310 to the Piper PA31-350 and most of the small helicopters. I'd be glad to teach anybody in the Europa once I have the time logged. I still teach in the Navion as a check out pilot for those that need the five or twenty five hours in this type of plane for insurance checkouts. I give four to five check rides a week in both helicopters and airplanes. For fun I fly a PA-18 or the CE-150-150 on floats I'm on the left coast so it makes it hard to get back to the right coast. If anybody needs a co-pilot out here in California I'd love to get some time in the plane. Then maybe, I could give some instructor in the plane. Rick Stockton 707-330-1717 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:59:42 PM PST US From: "Craig Ellison" Subject: Europa-List: Europa for Sale All, After much soul searching I have decided to put my Europa up for sale. The realities of family flying call for something bigger. She really is a sweet flying airplane and hate to see her go. If you know of someone who might be interested in a Mono SX 914/intercooled/Airmaster with 113hr on the Hobbs they can contact me at: craig.ellison2@verizon.net 503.873.3251(H) 503.508.5198(M) regards, Craig Ellison Silverton, OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Venu Rao" Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 8:51 PM Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa Training Standards > > Has anyone taken a stab at this? Are there any high time Europa > monowheel pilots in the States who are open to providing some > of this transition training and/or helping to outline some standards? > > Cheers, > Venu > > -------- > Venu Rao > 058 - Europa XS Monowheel > Builder: Jim Nelson > 150 hrs > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140020#140020 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.