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1. 12:08 AM - Europa Messages.....subscribe or not? (Robt.C.Harrison)
2. 12:52 AM - DOTH alert (bryan allsop)
3. 04:19 AM - Re: Wanted: Rotax 914 (craig bastin)
4. 05:28 AM - Re: Wanted: Rotax 914 (Flying Farmer)
5. 07:52 AM - Re: Wanted: Rotax 914 (Robert Borger)
6. 08:38 AM - Re: Europa Messages.....subscribe or not? (Matt Dralle)
7. 09:46 AM - Re: Europa Messages.....subscribe or not? (Robt.C.Harrison)
8. 09:57 AM - Re: Wanted: Rotax 914 (darinh)
9. 10:46 AM - Re: Re: Wanted: Rotax 914 (Robert Borger)
10. 12:13 PM - Re: Wanted: Rotax 914 (darinh)
11. 12:45 PM - My missing mailing list.......request with a final appology.....especially to "our colonial members" and the list moderator. (Robt.C.Harrison)
12. 01:26 PM - Friday's DOTH (bryan allsop)
13. 02:45 PM - Re: Friday's DOTH (Mark Burton)
14. 03:14 PM - Europa Transition Training (Erich Trombley)
15. 06:57 PM - Re: Europa Transition Training (Craig Ellison)
16. 07:39 PM - Aileron and Flap Closeouts (Kingsley Hurst)
17. 08:12 PM - Mod 74 Again (Troy Maynor)
18. 09:24 PM - Re: Europa Transition Training (Venu Rao)
19. 11:40 PM - Re: Mod 74 Again (Robt.C.Harrison)
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| Subject: | Europa Messages.....subscribe or not? |
Hi! All and Mat Dralle
My messages are being "sprigged out" and refused by Demon Mailer due to
a so called Barracuda filter system .
Would anyone please advise what action I can take?
Regards
Bob Harrison Europa KIT 337 G-PTAG
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Richard Holder wrote,
"Old Buckenham also has a restaurant ! And there HAS been a DOTH there befo
re ! (Paddy, Alistair& Gerry !)"
You are correct Richard. The resturant is listed as being open Friday to Su
nday.
Perhaps the novelty factor only applies to me.
Best regards
Bryan.
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| Subject: | Wanted: Rotax 914 |
I cant remember where, but I saw a US site that had Reman (rebuilt) rotax
914, they were
about 8 or 10k off new list price
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of darinh
Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2007 6:15 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Wanted: Rotax 914
Is there anyone out there that has a new or low time 914 they want to sell?
Maybe someone who has started a kit and is not going to finish and needs to
get out...? I am looking and have cash for a quick sale. Email off list at
darinh@aquaeng.com if you have one or now of someone selling.
Thanks,
Darin
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Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (under Construction)
914 Turbo
Ogden, Utah
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2:14 PM
2:14 PM
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| Subject: | Re: Wanted: Rotax 914 |
I had seen these too, E-bay I think, so I did a search. There is one there at the
moment. Just search e-bay with " rotax 914 " USA
These engine are fuel Injected, Has any one on the List fitted one of these engine's?
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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| Subject: | Re: Wanted: Rotax 914 |
Gents,
http://cgi.ebay.com/rotax-912-914-experimental-aircraft-UAV-engine_W0QQitemZ220160581113QQihZ012QQcategoryZ88433QQcmdZViewItem
is probably an X-Predator engine. Starting bid is $17,000 and it is claimed 140
HP and overhauled. A week left on the auction.
Anyone want to try one? I'm sure that there are plenty of folks out there who'd
like to see how one works out.
Also, there's another interesting group of engines built up from government surplus
Rotax engines
http://www.experimentalfuelinjection.com/
Costs range from $12,000 to $17,000 (US$).
Has anyone out there tried one of them?
Good building and great flying,
Bob Borger
On Wednesday, October 17, 2007, at 07:47AM, "Flying Farmer" <richard@scarrhillalpacas.co.uk>
wrote:
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>I had seen these too, E-bay I think, so I did a search. There is one there at
the moment. Just search e-bay with " rotax 914 " USA
>
>These engine are fuel Injected, Has any one on the List fitted one of these engine's?
>
>
>Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Messages.....subscribe or not? |
Hi Bob,
Sorry for the hassle. I've just whitelisted your email address on the Barracuda
filter so you shouldn't have any further problems posting.
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin
At 12:07 AM 10/17/2007 Wednesday, you wrote:
>Hi! All and Mat Dralle
>My messages are being sprigged out and refused by Demon Mailer due to a so called
Barracuda filter system .
>Would anyone please advise what action I can take?
>
>Regards
>Bob Harrison Europa KIT 337 G-PTAG
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| Subject: | Europa Messages.....subscribe or not? |
Thanks Matt. (Quite a service you give, pity the Jabiru lot won't lean
your way )
Bob H Europa kit 337 (G-PTAG)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: 17 October 2007 16:35
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Messages.....subscribe or not?
Hi Bob,
Sorry for the hassle. I've just whitelisted your email address on the
Barracuda filter so you shouldn't have any further problems posting.
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin
At 12:07 AM 10/17/2007 Wednesday, you wrote:
>Hi! All and Mat Dralle
>My messages are being "sprigged out" and refused by Demon Mailer due to
a so called Barracuda filter system .
>Would anyone please advise what action I can take?
>
>Regards
>Bob Harrison Europa KIT 337 G-PTAG
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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17/10/2007 09:38
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| Subject: | Re: Wanted: Rotax 914 |
All,
I have looked into the Fuel-injected 914's done by Experimentalfuelinjection.com
and they look to be very well engineered (they are engines out of the predators)
but I don't really want to be the test bed. However, it is nearly impossible
to get a new 914 within a reasonable amount of time (most guys won't even
quote a lead time and others say at least 6 months).
Somebody has got to have one they want to get rid of...?
Bob,
I sent you an email requesting information on your alternator setup on your Europa.
From the images I saw, it looks like you found a gear or spline driven alternator
that mounts to the back of the gearbox. Can you provide me with a link
or contact information of the person or company I could get one of these from?
It would be greatly appreciated.
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Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (under Construction)
914 Turbo
Ogden, Utah
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140439#140439
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| Subject: | Re: Wanted: Rotax 914 |
Darin,
Arrrgggghhhh!! Sorry about not replying your e-mail. Life has been imposing itself
hard the last couple weeks. Notice, there has been no work posted on my
build site recently.
The generator on my Europa was purchased from Bob and Russell at Flight Crafters. http://www.flightcrafters.com/
The generator mounts on on the back of the gearbox. There is a gear on the generator that connects with an accessory gear on the back of the prop drive gear. Go to my build web site http://www.europaowners.org/ and thence on to the Lockwood School album. In the Lockwood School album, go to the 2nd page. Down almost half way, there are pics of the gearbox being removed. On pic DSCN5164 you can see the gear that the generator engages. On my main page, there is a small album of the generator showing all the bits received and the gear on the front. There is also more information on where the alternator was obtained. From my recollection, the gear on the generator has 12 teeth. The accessory gear has around 28 teeth. That runs the alternator at 2.3 X the prop speed. So the alternator should run around the same speed as the engine. I believe that the alternator is rated at 60 amps, but have been warned not to plan on more than 40 amps. Once things are running, I'll post the actual output.
I hope this helps.
GOod building and great flying,
Bob Borger.
Plexi to be installed and some final body fill/smooth work to do before the aircraft
goes to the airport where I have room to do the wings-on work.
On Wednesday, October 17, 2007, at 12:16PM, "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net> wrote:
>
>All,
>
>I have looked into the Fuel-injected 914's done by Experimentalfuelinjection.com
and they look to be very well engineered (they are engines out of the predators)
but I don't really want to be the test bed. However, it is nearly impossible
to get a new 914 within a reasonable amount of time (most guys won't even
quote a lead time and others say at least 6 months).
>
>Somebody has got to have one they want to get rid of...?
>
>Bob,
>
>I sent you an email requesting information on your alternator setup on your Europa.
From the images I saw, it looks like you found a gear or spline driven
alternator that mounts to the back of the gearbox. Can you provide me with a
link or contact information of the person or company I could get one of these
from? It would be greatly appreciated.
>
>--------
>Darin Hawkes
>Series 7 (under Construction)
>914 Turbo
>Ogden, Utah
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140439#140439
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wanted: Rotax 914 |
Bob,
Thanks a bunch for the info! I will check it out...
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Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (under Construction)
914 Turbo
Ogden, Utah
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140467#140467
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| Subject: | My missing mailing list.......request with a final appology.....especially |
to "our colonial members" and the list moderator.
Hi! All
I guess you are by now all aware of my computer demise.
Also a large number of you will perhaps be pleased this has resulted in
tirade of messages "all things anti- European Soviet Lunacy " being
temporarily suspended! However I have no axe to grind, should you prefer
not to "partake" in a continuance of my efforts in this line.(my second
hobby! )
So I would appreciate a message from all ..both who just wish me to
have their e-mail and full contact details and indeed those who clearly
would prefer me to have their contact details but without the constant
diatribe ?
So now's your long awaited opportunity to use your prerogative , but
should it be the latter I do hope you will keep "up to speed" on the
lies and posturing which goes on in the name of a corrupt, unaudited,
undemocratic, headlong rush into a bureaucratic federal sellout of our
country, so that when the time comes you will march in the appropriate
direction and "repel boarders" instead of oblivion!
Me?.... I'll be on the Referendum March in London on October 27th by
hook or by crook!(only two Radio Therapy sessions left out of a total of
35!)
Regards to all
Bob Harrison. G-PTAG Europa kit 337 (undergoing flight testing with 914
Rotax and Intercooler with Woodcomp Scimitar Prop.SR 3000)
Do not archive.
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Hi folks,
I have consulted at the highest level, and taken into account concerns for
conserving tailplane flying time together with the need for adequate nouris
hment. It has been decided that the venue for Friday's doth will be Shobdon
. I am sure that Adrian Lloyd will be happy to check your tailplane whilst
you are there if you should need it.
Shobdon does serve excellent bacon butties, and it is fairly central for th
e majority.
Fly safely!
Bryan
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| Subject: | Re: Friday's DOTH |
Great place Shobdon - just watch out for the propeller eating traffic cones!
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| Subject: | Europa Transition Training |
Hello all,
Regarding transition training; myself and others have used the services
of Bob Lindsay. While Bob is still building his Europa he has performed
quite a number of Europa first flights and subsequent transition traini
ng. He is located on the west coast and I do not know how far he will t
ravel to accomplish the task. I for one highly recommend him.
Erich Trombley
N28ET Classic Mono 914
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Transition Training |
All,
I would like to 2nd what Erich said about Bob Lindsay. He did my first
flight and what a professional job it was. I would also highly
recommend his services.
Craig Ellison
N205CN XS Mono 914
----- Original Message -----
From: Erich Trombley
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 2:12 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Europa Transition Training
Hello all,
Regarding transition training; myself and others have used the
services of Bob Lindsay. While Bob is still building his Europa he has
performed quite a number of Europa first flights and subsequent
transition training. He is located on the west coast and I do not know
how far he will travel to accomplish the task. I for one highly
recommend him.
Erich Trombley
N28ET Classic Mono 914
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| Subject: | Aileron and Flap Closeouts |
Could anybody who has filled their aileron closeouts and outboard end of
flap closeouts please advise of the method you adopted.
Did you :-
a) Fill with foam and lay-up a couple of plies of BID with flox corners
?
b) Fill with dry mixture of Q-Cell (Micro) or Expancel ?
c) Other ?
TIA
Kingsley in Oz
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Hi All,
I have received my Mods 52 and 74. Reading over # 74 a question comes to
mind. Can anyone tell me why I was under the impression the new rear wing
pin was going to be threaded through the flap attaching point, then a nut,
within the wing. Was this an early speculation of a possible fix? I plan to
start the socket and tie bar portion of mod 52 before getting into the wing.
Troy Maynor
N120EU Europa Monowheel Classic
Left to finish:
Paint,(some) interior,engine install, (some) wiring.
Weaverville, NC USA
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Transition Training |
All -
Really appreciate the feedback and interest on this issue.
Based on this initial input, it appears that we may have
identified 3 or 4 Europa Mono pilots (current/future) who
will be willing to step up to assist newbies in some
kind of transition training.
I'll be glad to put a short list together, after we've confirmed
with the pilots, but where should we post it for all to see.
One possibility is to add it as a column in the memberlist,
but I suspect that may be too cumbersome...any suggestions?
Is there a "resource" section in the Europa forum...
I may have missed it.
Could someone touch base with the Europa team to involve them
in this perhaps?
Thanks,
Venu
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058 - Europa XS Monowheel
Builder: Jim Nelson
150 hrs
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Hi! Troy
There is a mod. Variant which allows access through the flap close out.
I requested it be considered but was "knocked back " .now having invaded
mine the variant has been produced. However you need to clearly
establish that the threaded hole is absolutely central to the sandwich
stack (including the edge of the flap hinge bracket to be "eyed" up also
in line with the edge of the same stack since the threaded hole also
goes through it. To remedy any deficiency with these items would IMHO be
very difficult through the flap close out.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG .
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]
Sent: 18 October 2007 04:10
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: Europa-List: Mod 74 Again
Hi All,
I have received my Mods 52 and 74. Reading over # 74 a
question comes to mind. Can anyone tell me why I was under the
impression the new rear wing pin was going to be threaded through the
flap attaching point, then a nut, within the wing. Was this an early
speculation of a possible fix? I plan to start the socket and tie bar
portion of mod 52 before getting into the wing.
Troy Maynor
N120EU Europa Monowheel Classic
Left to finish:
Paint,(some) interior,engine install, (some) wiring.
Weaverville, NC USA
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