---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 11/01/07: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:33 AM - November is Matronics Email List Fund Raiser Month! (Matt Dralle) 1. 12:12 AM - Re: compass (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen) 2. 01:11 AM - Re: compass (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen) 3. 02:01 AM - Compass (nwcmc@tiscali.co.uk) 4. 04:32 AM - Re: compass (Ivor Phillips) 5. 05:07 AM - fuel system (William Daniell) 6. 05:33 AM - Re: MPD 2007-005 R1 (Mike Gregory) 7. 07:49 AM - Re: compass (John & Paddy Wigney) 8. 07:53 AM - Re: compass (Jeff B) 9. 10:51 AM - Re: compass (Terry Seaver (terrys)) 10. 11:54 AM - Compass (Paul Stewart) 11. 12:40 PM - DOTH anyone? (bryan allsop) 12. 12:56 PM - Fuel Inlet Pipe (Tim Ward) 13. 01:52 PM - Re: Fuel Inlet Pipe (simon miles) 14. 03:19 PM - Re: DOTH anyone? (Robt.C.Harrison) 15. 03:22 PM - Re: Fuel Inlet Pipe (Graham Singleton) 16. 03:34 PM - FW: MPD 2007-005 R1.....implications with Torque Tube Clamp Mod. (Robert C Harrison) 17. 05:06 PM - Re: Fuel Inlet Pipe (Tim Ward) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:33:48 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Europa-List: November is Matronics Email List Fund Raiser Month! Dear Listers, You've probably noticed that there are no banner ads or pop-up windows or spam from any of the List and Forum services at Matronics. These include, for example: The Email List Postings - http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse The Email List Forum Site - http://forums.matronics.com The List Wiki - http://wiki.matronics.com The List Search Engine - http://www.matronics.com/search This is because I have always enjoyed a List experience that was completely about the sport we enjoy - airplanes - and not about advertising! 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Please make a List Support Contribution: http://www.matronics.com/contribution I would like to thank everyone in advance for their generous support! Your Contributions truely keep this operation afloat! Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Forum Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:12:18 AM PST US From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" Subject: Re: Europa-List: compass Paul, As shown on the attached photo, I have Sirs Navigation's NV2C-12V compass mounted on the windshield, at top centre (comes with sticky pad). (The black stick protruding down next to the compass is not part of it - it's the antenna for the traffic warning system) Regards, Svein LN-SKJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Stewart" Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 10:31 PM Subject: Europa-List: compass > > Anyone got ant photos of where they have mounted a compass ( along with > which model). > > Regards > > Paul > G-GIDY > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:11:59 AM PST US From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" Subject: Re: Europa-List: compass Paul, Ref. my reply with photo just posted on the forum: The compass does not obstruct the view of the pilot as it may look in the photo - it's just the camera angle that places it at such an apparently prominent location. Regards, Svein LN-SKJ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:01:52 AM PST US From: "nwcmc@tiscali.co.uk" Subject: Europa-List: Compass I mounted my standby compass at the very front of the overhead panel where it meets the windscreen. This avoids most stray electric currents and does not obstruct vision. As it is a standby it doesn't matter so much that it is not so easy to include in the scan. However conventional compasses in that position suffer from paralllax error and in any case small conventional compasses are often difficult to read due to turbulence. For these reasons I used a digital fluxgate compass which I use as a reference to set my DI. As it happens it is also possible to use a fluxgate drive for a uEncoder so I have another fluxgate mounted in the rear fuselage. There are sometimes a few degrees difference between the two so I use an average when setting the DI. Another advantage is that swinging fluxgate compasses is far easier and quicker than the convention type. As most of us use GPS's it is possible to treat the DI as a back up and fly GPS track. An updated DI will then give an idea of drift and can be applied should the GPS fail. Nigel Charles __________________________________________________ Exclusive discounts on Norton Security from Tiscali http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/securepc/ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:32:23 AM PST US From: "Ivor Phillips" Subject: RE: Europa-List: compass Hi Paul I have done something similar to Svien but made the pod to accommodate a S.I.R Pegasus compass, Regards Ivor Subject: Europa-List: compass Anyone got ant photos of where they have mounted a compass ( along with which model). Regards Paul G-GIDY ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:07:14 AM PST US From: "William Daniell" Subject: Europa-List: fuel system I remember seeing a long discussion about fuel lines and using automotive fuel injection hose. Also I remember reading about gasocolators - what type has been used successfully and where is it or they mounted? Will -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 16:31 Subject: Europa-List: compass Anyone got ant photos of where they have mounted a compass ( along with which model). Regards Paul G-GIDY 09:28 16:38 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:33:31 AM PST US From: "Mike Gregory" Subject: RE: Europa-List: MPD 2007-005 R1 Further to my message yesterday, I now understand that the PFA cannot distribute PFA 247/FSB-004 Issue 4 until the CAA have revised MPD 2007-005 R1, because its wording still requires the 10 hour inspection without any exceptions. Once the revised MPD has been issued by the CAA, then the PFA can distribute Issue 4 of the FSB and the use of Loctite will then enable the 10 hour inspections to revert to annual. The PFA do not know when the CAA will issue of the revised MPD, but it is unlikely to be today. Meanwhile, the Europa 2004 web site is publishing the procedure in Service Bulletin 15, which is approved by the PFA, so owners are free to embody this in readiness, should they so wish. The PFA are putting an Engineering News note on their web site to explain it all. (Sigh) Mike -----Original Message----- From: Mike Gregory [mailto:m.j.gregory@talk21.com] Sent: 31 October 2007 19:26 Cc: Francis Donaldson (Francis.donaldson@pfa.org.uk) Subject: RE: Europa-List: MPD 2007-005 R1 Bob, I understand from Francis Donaldson that the CAA were a bit ahead of the game and that PFA 247/FSB-004 Issue 4 is being distributed and will be posted on the PFA web site tomorrow. The use of Loctite will then allow the 10 hour inspection to revert to an annual inspection. I asked Francis specifically about your Torque Tube clamps and the 10 hour inspection, and he said that you would have to make a case to the PFA for aircraft fitted with your clamps to be exempt from the 10 hour inspection -- no doubt he would wish to know how many aircraft had been fitted and whether any play had been found during the 10 hour inspections already carried out. Please argue your case with Francis: you don't need to convince me of the effectiveness of your clamps. Regards Mike Europa Club Safety Officer -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robt.C.Harrison Sent: 31 October 2007 12:34 Subject: RE: Europa-List: MPD 2007-005 R1 Hi! Richard/all I have it from Andy Draper that Issue 4 is to do with the use of Loctite. However I also have assurances that those with my PFA approved Torque Tube clamps are exempt from the Loctite requirement. ...Not sure yet about the 10 hour inspection requirement.. however. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Holder Sent: 31 October 2007 11:35 Subject: Europa-List: MPD 2007-005 R1 I got this through the post from the CAA this morning. It refers to PFA 247/FSB-004 Issue 4. I have issue three. Where is issue 4 ? Richard Holder G-OWWW High Cross ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:49:05 AM PST US From: John & Paddy Wigney Subject: Re: Europa-List: compass Hi Paul, See my set up for a vertical card compass http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/vertcard_compass1.php in photo below. It is supported on an aluminum plate which is secured to the cabin top frame. You will also need the mounting bracket http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/vertcard_compass2.php Anyway, it works for me and I did not have to apply any compensation. Vertical card compasses are worth the extra money in my opinion since they are a bit easier to read than the standard 'whiskey' design. (See the blurb.) Chinese 'copy' compasses are available from Falcon gauge but I preferred to spend the extra for the original. Please contact if you have any questions. Cheers, John N262WF, mono XS, 912S Mooresville, North Carolina ORIGINAL MESSAGE : From: Paul Stewart Subject: Europa-List: compass Anyone got ant photos of where they have mounted a compass ( along with which model). Regards Paul G-GIDY ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:53:41 AM PST US From: Jeff B Subject: Re: Europa-List: compass My compass is mounted in the same place. Only difference is that I'm using a TSO'd vertical card... Jeff - Baby Blue 340 hrs Sidsel & Svein Johnsen wrote: > Paul, > > As shown on the attached photo, I have Sirs Navigation's NV2C-12V > compass mounted on the windshield, at top centre (comes with sticky pad). > > (The black stick protruding down next to the compass is not part of it - > it's the antenna for the traffic warning system) > > Regards, > Svein > LN-SKJ > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Stewart" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 10:31 PM > Subject: Europa-List: compass > > >> >> Anyone got ant photos of where they have mounted a compass ( along >> with which model). >> >> Regards >> >> Paul >> G-GIDY >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:51:25 AM PST US Subject: RE: Europa-List: compass From: "Terry Seaver (terrys)" Hi Paul, I mounted a vertical card compass in the small part of the panel just above the panel cutout for the mono-wheel landing gear lever. I have had no problem with electrical/magnetic interference in that location. As someone else already mentioned, there is a very slight variation between master power off and on, but all compasses should be 'swung' with power on. Terry Seaver A135/N135TD > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Stewart" > > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 10:31 PM > Subject: Europa-List: compass > > >> --> >> >> Anyone got ant photos of where they have mounted a compass ( along >> with which model). >> >> Regards >> >> Paul >> G-GIDY >> > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:54:28 AM PST US From: Paul Stewart Subject: Europa-List: Compass Many thanks to all responders with both descriptions and photos - lovely looking aircraft. We'll plump for one. Thanks again Paul G-GIDY ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:40:34 PM PST US From: bryan allsop Subject: Europa-List: DOTH anyone? In the absence of any other propositions I am going drop into Santoft tomor row (Friday). Pilot November freebie. The last Doth was excellent due to plenty of advance publicity. Sorry about the short notice, this time I will be happy to see anyone. Happy flying. Bryan Allsop _________________________________________________________________ Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:56:55 PM PST US From: "Tim Ward" Subject: Europa-List: Fuel Inlet Pipe Hi, I have 3 Aluminium fuel inlet pipes left over for any builder who requires one. Takes out the rubber hose supplied which has caused fuel smell problems in the past. Contact me below. See Attachment. Cheers, Tim Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street, Fendalton, CHRISTCHURCH 8052 Ph :64 03 3515166 Mob: 021 0640221 email: ward.t@xtra.co.nz ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:52:36 PM PST US From: simon miles Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel Inlet Pipe Hi Tim, I'm interested. What's the cost? I'm in Brussels but I'll be in Oz and NZ Jan-Mar next year. Best regards, Simon Miles Europa #508. Tim Ward wrote: > Hi, > I have 3 Aluminium fuel inlet pipes left over for any builder who > requires one. > Takes out the rubber hose supplied which has caused fuel smell > problems in the past. > Contact me below. > See Attachment. > > Cheers, > > Tim > > > Tim Ward > 12 Waiwetu Street, > Fendalton, > CHRISTCHURCH 8052 > > Ph :64 03 3515166 > Mob: 021 0640221 > > email: > ward.t@xtra.co.nz ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:19:12 PM PST US From: "Robt.C.Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: DOTH anyone? I may make it. Enjoyed my trip to Sleap today. Regards Bob H G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bryan allsop Sent: 01 November 2007 19:39 Subject: Europa-List: DOTH anyone? In the absence of any other propositions I am going drop into Santoft tomorrow (Friday). Pilot November freebie. The last Doth was excellent due to plenty of advance publicity. Sorry about the short notice, this time I will be happy to see anyone. Happy flying. Bryan Allsop _____ Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! Get 'em! ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:22:03 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel Inlet Pipe Tim they also take out a fair amount of weight! Strongly recommended imho Graham Tim Ward wrote: > Hi, > I have 3 Aluminium fuel inlet pipes left over for any builder who > requires one. > Takes out the rubber hose supplied which has caused fuel smell problems > in the past. > Contact me below. > See Attachment. > > Cheers, > > Tim > > > Tim Ward > 12 Waiwetu Street, > Fendalton, > CHRISTCHURCH 8052 > > Ph :64 03 3515166 > Mob: 021 0640221 > > email: > ward.t@xtra.co.nz -- Graham Singleton Tel: +441629820187 Mob: +447739582005 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:34:37 PM PST US From: "Robert C Harrison" Subject: FW: Europa-List: MPD 2007-005 R1.....implications with Torque Tube Clamp Mod. Not one reply .... Hello ! anyone there ? It is important that I know who has completed what hours with the Torque tube clamps, please. Otherwise we are left behind with the bloody 10 hour inspections, (strange way to treat a permanent but removable fix to the tail plane slop which was never going to happen after up size ?) Was there any inclusions of this information on the tables of checks that Richard Iddon produced? Has anyone retained that info? (My computer crashed loosing my copy) Regards Bob H G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: Robt.C.Harrison [mailto:ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: 31 October 2007 21:39 Subject: FW: Europa-List: MPD 2007-005 R1.....implications with Torque Tube Clamp Mod. Hi! All who have invested in my Torque Tube Clamp Mod. I am not aware of anyone finding tail plane slop after fitting my clamps (except those who I attended to on a recall basis due to Europa using differing tube sizes.) It seems I may have to comply with the PFA and prove none have shown slop since fitting although I clearly understood to the contrary by my conversation with Andy Draper. You have all completed the slop checks on the 10 hourly requirements presumably at great inspection expense and are therefore aware of any slop to aircraft fitted with the clamps. Please e-mail me immediately EITHER WAY and advise should you have experienced such problems with the clamps fitted or continued satisfaction with NO slop.( my e-mail address is :- ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk Without this information served on a plate to the PFA I expect the "ostrich approach" to prevail with regard to 10 hour inspections! So it is very much in your interests to mail me urgently. Sorry for this nuisance request. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Gregory Sent: 31 October 2007 19:26 Subject: RE: Europa-List: MPD 2007-005 R1 Bob, I understand from Francis Donaldson that the CAA were a bit ahead of the game and that PFA 247/FSB-004 Issue 4 is being distributed and will be posted on the PFA web site tomorrow. The use of Loctite will then allow the 10 hour inspection to revert to an annual inspection. I asked Francis specifically about your Torque Tube clamps and the 10 hour inspection, and he said that you would have to make a case to the PFA for aircraft fitted with your clamps to be exempt from the 10 hour inspection -- no doubt he would wish to know how many aircraft had been fitted and whether any player had been found during the 10 hour inspections already carried out. Please argue your case with Francis: you don't need to convince me of the effectiveness of your clamps. Regards Mike Europa Club Safety Officer -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robt.C.Harrison Sent: 31 October 2007 12:34 Subject: RE: Europa-List: MPD 2007-005 R1 Hi! Richard/all I have it from Andy Draper that Issue 4 is to do with the use of Loctite. However I also have assurances that those with my PFA approved Torque Tube clamps are exempt from the Loctite requirement. ...Not sure yet about the 10 hour inspection requirement.. however. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Holder Sent: 31 October 2007 11:35 Subject: Europa-List: MPD 2007-005 R1 I got this through the post from the CAA this morning. It refers to PFA 247/FSB-004 Issue 4. I have issue three. Where is issue 4 ? Richard Holder G-OWWW High Cross -- 30/10/2007 18:26 -- 30/10/2007 18:26 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:06:33 PM PST US From: "Tim Ward" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel Inlet Pipe Simon, I will keep one here for you. When you get to NZ give me a call and I will send it to you or come and fly with me down in Christchurch. Cheers, Tim Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street, Fendalton, CHRISTCHURCH 8052 Ph :64 03 3515166 Mob: 021 0640221 email: ward.t@xtra.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: "simon miles" Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 9:51 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel Inlet Pipe > > Hi Tim, > > I'm interested. What's the cost? I'm in Brussels but I'll be in Oz and NZ > Jan-Mar next year. > > Best regards, > > > Simon Miles > Europa #508. > > > Tim Ward wrote: >> Hi, >> I have 3 Aluminium fuel inlet pipes left over for any builder who >> requires one. >> Takes out the rubber hose supplied which has caused fuel smell problems >> in the past. >> Contact me below. >> See Attachment. >> Cheers, >> Tim >> Tim Ward >> 12 Waiwetu Street, >> Fendalton, >> CHRISTCHURCH 8052 >> Ph :64 03 3515166 >> Mob: 021 0640221 >> email: >> ward.t@xtra.co.nz > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.