Europa-List Digest Archive

Sat 11/03/07


Total Messages Posted: 14



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 12:05 AM - Re: fuel system ()
     2. 12:14 AM - Re: fuel system ()
     3. 01:11 AM - Re: Europa Service Bulletin No 15 (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen)
     4. 03:16 AM - Re: DOTH anyone? (William Harrison)
     5. 03:35 AM - Re: fuel system (Graham Singleton)
     6. 04:23 AM - Re: fuel system (Robt.C.Harrison)
     7. 04:42 AM - Re: DOTH anyone? (Trevpond@aol.com)
     8. 04:42 AM - Communication>....Europa Mod 10623Clamps (Robt.C.Harrison)
     9. 10:56 AM - Re: fuel system ()
    10. 11:24 AM - Re: fuel system ()
    11. 12:59 PM - Re: fuel system (danbish)
    12. 02:55 PM - Re: fuel system ()
    13. 03:48 PM - Re: fuel system (Robt.C.Harrison)
    14. 03:52 PM -  fuel selectors etc (craig bastin)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:05:32 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: fuel system
    From: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
    Hi Dan >> http://www.europaowners.org/modules.php?set_albumName=album164&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php << Few comments on your plane: Did you install a down detent spring for latch? Did you verify that LG08s are in fact overcenter at least 1/32"? (don't want much more than 1/16") Did you peen over the 4 screws for Andair 375 gasculator? There are 4 dimples under the flat heads of the screws meant for center punching to hold them in place? Did you take a look at the beautiful stainless drains offered by Andair for their gasculators? (Especial for the gasculator) Looking at your fuel system, you may as well get rid of Andair 375 as things are now, it is nothing more than a single point to catch all debris that can pass right through Europa filters! And I love 375s! First off Rotax in fact has fuel schematic that depicts only 1 gasculator. Clog that single point and second pump will do you no good. Current Europa suggested schematic I like much more better, it allows second pump to pull from second filter if needed! I know some folk only use 1 gasculator, but especial on Europa, can do better. Supplied filter will not pass much water. It will however pass debris that will for certain clog the 375. So why have a gasculator downstream of filters that will not help you out with water catching, but just sit there waiting to be clogged by debris and allow motor play "Silent Night" since you don't have second path for fuel to get to your series with bypass system? I went with Europas schematic except used 2 375s instead of filters. In your case, if it were I, would can the filters before the selector, and either plumb 2 supplied filters as per Europa schematic and get rid of the gasculator, or get rid of 4 filters and install another gasculator and have 2 gasculators supply as per Europa schematic. Another option if you could pull it off, is have Gasculator supply pump #1, and have dual paralleled filters supply second location of Europa schematic. Yup I like last choice if installing a second 375 is problematic. Did you clean the filters in your fuel pump after a few hours of running? If you didn't probably worth while. See: http://contrails.free.fr/engine_914_fuel_syst_test_en.php for some good 914 info I would not consider using Mini, in a perfect clean world will probably work, but very little surface area, stick at least with 375s or supplied filters instead of Mini. I don't have full knowledge of the Teflon lined hose you speak of, but I would be very careful using automotive Teflon lined hose in an aeroplane. If you use Aeroquip racing braided Teflon lined hose, be ready for a soaker hose spouting fuel. Works on ground, not in air. See: http://www.sacskyranch.com/statichose.htm Picture 113 in your fuel system has too tight of a bend radius, it is collapsing hose. No good. Just my opinion, only intention is in bettering aircraft, and learn if I am off track. Please don't take as an attack. Please you or anyone else beat up anything you don't like bout N4211W: http://www.europaowners.org/modules.php?set_albumName=Begin-06-2003&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php For info on this post see folders: 914 modular fuel system Spring loaded down detent Ron Parigoris


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    Time: 12:14:54 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: fuel system
    From: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
    Hi Dan Forgot one tip: Don't use aluminium fittings in 201B Flowscan or any aluminium body transducer! See: http://www.europaowners.org/modules.php?set_albumName=Begin-06-2003&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php Look under Aeroquip 666 to see how I stripped threads from galling. Don't blow through transducer with your mouth, Certified install manuals warn you of this. Not sure exact why, moisture?? Ron P.


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    Time: 01:11:22 AM PST US
    From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" <sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no>
    Subject: Re: Europa Service Bulletin No 15
    Steve, I used Loctite 7063 Super Cleaner (small aerosol can), and a small compressed air nozzle afterwards. I would not heat the parts before applying the Loctite, as this might prevent the capillary action (too quick start of the curing). The metal temperature should be above dew point, though. As to cure time vs. temperature, see the attached spec. for 603. Good luck! Regards, Svein LN-SKJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve v " <s.vestuti@virgin.net> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 8:42 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Service Bulletin No 15 > > Hi, Having just read SB15, Does anyone know if the Factory are supplying > the "degreaser" and if not, what are other builders using?, i would think > some sort of airosol might be best, also, the hanger is fairly cold and > damp this time of year so does the T/T need to be warmed with a hair dryer > B4 applying 603 or not? > > Steve # 573 G-CEBV > > > Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org > > >


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    Time: 03:16:09 AM PST US
    From: William Harrison <willie.harrison@tinyonline.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: DOTH anyone?
    Thanks, Nigel. Please count me in. Best wishes Willie Harrison G-BZNY On 2 Nov 2007, at 18:48, nigel charles wrote: > I am not able to get involved in a DOTH until Monday. If the > weather is good then and anyone would like to meet up let me know. > > Regards > > Nigel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa- > list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Harrison > Sent: 02 November 2007 08:36 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: DOTH anyone? > > I'm aiming to be there too provided I can reach escape velocity > from earthbound constraints. > > Willie Harrison > G-BZNY > > * Special Europa historical footnote: if I can make it I'll bring > my mate Gordon Craig with whom I used to share ownership of the > very same PA28 which featured briefly in "A Plane is Born" (when > our hero is being shown all the common light aircraft types at the > PFA Rally - "..and here's the trusty old Piper Warrior..etc") > > > On 1 Nov 2007, at 19:38, bryan allsop wrote: > >> In the absence of any other propositions I am going drop into >> Santoft tomorrow (Friday). Pilot November freebie. >> >> The last Doth was excellent due to plenty of advance publicity. >> Sorry about the short notice, this time I will be happy to see >> anyone. >> >> Happy flying. >> >> Bryan Allsop >> >> Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! Get 'em! >> - The Europa-List Email Forum class="Apple-converted- >> space"> --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa- >> List - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - class="Apple- >> converted-space"> --> http://forums.matronics.com >> > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http:// > www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http:// > forums.matronics.com > >


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    Time: 03:35:14 AM PST US
    From: Graham Singleton <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: fuel system
    rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote: > Ron a lot of good sense in what you say. The Andair gascolators have 120 mu mesh, because Rotax specify minimum of 100mu filters. They couldn't buy 100mu at the time I discussed it with them. Those nice Mr Funnel filters are around 70mu (if I remember right) and they WILL allow dust through that will block an Andair Mini. I know of one blockage with a 914, caused by rust from a Jerry can. The Mini is probably OK for 912S but not 914 with the high recirculating flow rate. Graham > Did you clean the filters in your fuel pump after a few hours of running? > If you didn't probably worth while. See: > http://contrails.free.fr/engine_914_fuel_syst_test_en.php > for some good 914 info > I would not consider using Mini, in a perfect clean world will probably > work, but very little surface area, stick at least with 375s or supplied > filters instead of Mini. > For info on this post see folders: > 914 modular fuel system > Spring loaded down detent > > Ron Parigoris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Graham Singleton Tel: +441629820187 Mob: +447739582005


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    Time: 04:23:23 AM PST US
    From: "Robt.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
    Subject: fuel system
    Hi! Graham Just a little alarmed with your statement questioning the suitability of the Mini-Andair gascolator. I used a single unit throughout my Jabiru 3300 heavy fuel use experiences with no problems other than those, not Andair related, manifested by the damn tank comnector finger filters and drillings. I now have two Mini Andairs on each fuel line so theory has it that one should remain gunk free for the emergency situation albeit with a 914? Clean system flows were well in spec. before flight testing. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham Singleton Sent: 03 November 2007 10:29 Subject: Re: Europa-List: fuel system <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com> rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote: > Ron a lot of good sense in what you say. The Andair gascolators have 120 mu mesh, because Rotax specify minimum of 100mu filters. They couldn't buy 100mu at the time I discussed it with them. Those nice Mr Funnel filters are around 70mu (if I remember right) and they WILL allow dust through that will block an Andair Mini. I know of one blockage with a 914, caused by rust from a Jerry can. The Mini is probably OK for 912S but not 914 with the high recirculating flow rate. Graham > Did you clean the filters in your fuel pump after a few hours of running? > If you didn't probably worth while. See: > http://contrails.free.fr/engine_914_fuel_syst_test_en.php > for some good 914 info > I would not consider using Mini, in a perfect clean world will probably > work, but very little surface area, stick at least with 375s or supplied > filters instead of Mini. > For info on this post see folders: > 914 modular fuel system > Spring loaded down detent > > Ron Parigoris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Graham Singleton Tel: +441629820187 Mob: +447739582005 -- 02/11/2007 21:46


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    Time: 04:42:16 AM PST US
    From: Trevpond@aol.com
    Subject: Re: DOTH anyone?
    Hi Willie, Where do you fancy going? Trev Pond G-LINN


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    Time: 04:42:21 AM PST US
    From: "Robt.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
    Subject: Communication>....Europa Mod 10623Clamps
    Hi! Anyone with e-mail addresses for Malcolm Mclure(Australia),Joseph Brennan? Steve Vestuti, Dan Gelderman(USA) Jeff Williams(USA) Dave Park, Peter Davis please have them contact me with a communication address if you should know such. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG


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    Time: 10:56:55 AM PST US
    Subject: fuel system
    From: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
    Hi Bob If you take a look at 914 fuel pump testing site Gilles has put up: http://contrails.free.fr/engine_914_fuel_syst_test_en.php also Gilles take on pumps with link to Mfg.: http://contrails.free.fr/engine_pierburg_en.php , you can see the small surface area of Mini. The Mini is rated for I think 160HP. Lets say that 100HP burns approx 10GPH, so that is 16GPH. That is not an absolute using HP rating if you are returning a lot of fuel! If you have parallel pumps, you can blow through 40GPH from what some say! If you look at info, you can see that when I tested and restrict intake it does work, but you can also probably fly toting a 5 gallon garbage pail from the tail of your plane (more easily attached I might add if you didn't have an "UnConventional gear!). It strains the pump big time. In addition it can create cavitation that boiling bubbles of fuel will do no good to life of pump or the strain to life of motor. Pump Mfg. states head max., adding intake restriction pretty much equates to higher head. You can also run without a filter at all, as long as you put in clean fuel, but not recommended. To stack things in your favor, at minimum match flow recomended by Mfg. to what your worst case needs are. 375 adds a tremendous amount more filter surface area compared to Mini and does not add that 5 gallon bucket (I forget exact but think 375 rated for 250 or 275 HP). Recommended Europa fuel schematic, series with bypass, 2 filters (or gasculators) plumbed as per their schematic better on 914 than having 1 filter (or gasculator) at each tank output. Unless you had a differential pressure gauge for 914 (which every 914 driver should have, and know how to use it) and saw bouncing needle (crack pressure bear being met) and switched selector at that moment on take off, you are in position to run out of fuel. Europa schematic will keep you going. Once you fully understand approx. 2 to 5 PSI over airbox pressure, you see you don't want any restriction in plumbing from fuel pressure regulator to tank, and downside of paralleled fuel pumps compared to series (blow over 5 PSI, not as bad as under 2PSI but you are stacking things not in your favor, best follow Mfg). I would not recommend a Mini even for 912/S even though you can probably get away with. Restriction is so close, some builders putting supplied filters in series with Mini makes for marginal flow and easy chance of failure. Ron Parigoris On Sat, Nov 3, 2007, "Robt.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk> said: > > Hi! Graham > Just a little alarmed with your statement questioning the suitability of > the Mini-Andair gascolator. I used a single unit throughout my Jabiru > 3300 heavy fuel use experiences with no problems other than those, not > Andair related, manifested by the damn tank comnector finger filters > and drillings. > I now have two Mini Andairs on each fuel line so theory has it that one > should remain gunk free for the emergency situation albeit with a 914? > Clean system flows were well in spec. before flight testing. > Regards > Bob Harrison G-PTAG > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham > Singleton > Sent: 03 November 2007 10:29 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: fuel system > > <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com> > > > > rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote: >> > Ron > a lot of good sense in what you say. > The Andair gascolators have 120 mu mesh, because Rotax specify minimum > of 100mu filters. They couldn't buy 100mu at the time I discussed it > with them. Those nice Mr Funnel filters are around 70mu (if I remember > right) and they WILL allow dust through that will block an Andair Mini. > I know of one blockage with a 914, caused by rust from a Jerry can. The > Mini is probably OK for 912S but not 914 with the high recirculating > flow rate. > Graham > >> Did you clean the filters in your fuel pump after a few hours of > running? >> If you didn't probably worth while. See: >> http://contrails.free.fr/engine_914_fuel_syst_test_en.php >> for some good 914 info >> I would not consider using Mini, in a perfect clean world will > probably >> work, but very little surface area, stick at least with 375s or > supplied >> filters instead of Mini. >> For info on this post see folders: >> 914 modular fuel system >> Spring loaded down detent >> >> Ron Parigoris >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- > Graham Singleton > > Tel: +441629820187 > Mob: +447739582005 > > > > > > > -- > 02/11/2007 21:46 > > > > > > --


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    Time: 11:24:27 AM PST US
    Subject: fuel system
    From: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
    Hi Bob One more point: "Clean system flows were well in spec. before flight testing." Are you really sure you checked fuel system and it was within specs? Did you simulate ambient atmospheric pressure to high altitude? You can follow Rotax check of cheating fuel pressure regulator to think it is at high altitude which is probably OK, but again as I have said many times, gallons per hour flow on a 914 is moot. You need to measure that fuel pressure is over airbox pressure by 2 to 5 PSI. For actual test you need to simulate airbox pressure, so do that to 115HP level, and drop ambient to that of 18K, Did you do this? Did you at least follow Rotax check of increasing airbox pressure to 115% level and see that differential pressure is 2 to 5? (knowing full well that at higher altitude it may very well not perform) Or did you measure fuel flow into a bucket that is about as useless in determining fuel system performance as is toting that bucket on the tail of plane? Believe me I am not trying to be nasty, I am trying to be "Assertive" in trying to help you and others to get in tune what 914 needs are. If one does not have differential gauge (which you can just cheat input for airbox pressure and same to fuel pressure regulator) which after cheat you can just see that needle is between 2 and 5, or you can cheat regulator and note reading, note ambient pressure and measure fuel pressure to carbs, Rotax manual tells how to do calculation. Many believe in making things as simple as possible. That may not be a great philosophy. Albert Einstein had a much better one "Make things as simple as possible, not simpler". As far as 914, don't forget the last part. If beyond scope of Builder/Pilot, search out someone who can help out. It is OK to not understand something complete and still be an effective user, instance most users of modern automobiles. That said to set up and engineer such a machine, for best results best be intimate familiar. Ron Parigoris > Regards > Bob Harrison G-PTAG > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham > Singleton > Sent: 03 November 2007 10:29 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: fuel system > > <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com> > > > > rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote: >> > Ron > a lot of good sense in what you say. > The Andair gascolators have 120 mu mesh, because Rotax specify minimum > of 100mu filters. They couldn't buy 100mu at the time I discussed it > with them. Those nice Mr Funnel filters are around 70mu (if I remember > right) and they WILL allow dust through that will block an Andair Mini. > I know of one blockage with a 914, caused by rust from a Jerry can. The > Mini is probably OK for 912S but not 914 with the high recirculating > flow rate. > Graham > >> Did you clean the filters in your fuel pump after a few hours of > running? >> If you didn't probably worth while. See: >> http://contrails.free.fr/engine_914_fuel_syst_test_en.php >> for some good 914 info >> I would not consider using Mini, in a perfect clean world will > probably >> work, but very little surface area, stick at least with 375s or > supplied >> filters instead of Mini. >> For info on this post see folders: >> 914 modular fuel system >> Spring loaded down detent >> >> Ron Parigoris >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- > Graham Singleton > > Tel: +441629820187 > Mob: +447739582005 > > > > > > > -- > 02/11/2007 21:46 > > > > > > --


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    Time: 12:59:09 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: fuel system
    From: "danbish" <danbish@norwalktucson.com>
    [b:fa823cf774]Ron, Thanks for the input. Regarding your questions, please see below:[/b:fa823cf774] Did you install a down detent spring for latch? [b:fa823cf774]No, but plan to install a pin that will go into the console that will do same with no spring to wear out.[/b:fa823cf774] Did you verify that LG08s are in fact overcenter at least 1/32"? (don't want much more than 1/16") [b:fa823cf774]I have the gear off right now but will verify this on reinstall. [/b:fa823cf774] Did you peen over the 4 screws for Andair 375 gasculator? There are 4 dimples under the flat heads of the screws meant for center punching to hold them in place? [b:fa823cf774]Had no idea of this as it's not mentioned anywhere in the Andair literature. I'll have a look and see if I can figure out what it is you're suggesting.[/b:fa823cf774] Did you take a look at the beautiful stainless drains offered by Andair for their gasculators? (Especial for the gasculator) [b:fa823cf774]Yes, but the ones I have are standard here in US and were already owned. [/b:fa823cf774] Looking at your fuel system, you may as well get rid of Andair 375 as things are now, it is nothing more than a single point to catch all debris that can pass right through Europa filters! [b:fa823cf774]This didn't occur to me, but you're right. I'm going to place the 375 after the pumps as I've seen others do.[/b:fa823cf774] Did you clean the filters in your fuel pump after a few hours of running? [b:fa823cf774]Haven't run it yet but will clean before first flight.[/b:fa823cf774] I don't have full knowledge of the Teflon lined hose you speak of, but I would be very careful using automotive Teflon lined hose in an aeroplane. [b:fa823cf774]This was suggested on EAA's site. It's R9 Gates hose.[/b:fa823cf774] Picture 113 in your fuel system has too tight of a bend radius, it is collapsing hose. No good. [b:fa823cf774]This is a photo of the installation of the clamp. If you look close, there's a wood block in the left of the photo that's causing the crimp. The hose acted as a spring to hold the block in place which, in turn, held the clamp until the redux dried. With the block out of there, the radius is ok.[/b:fa823cf774] Just my opinion, only intention is in bettering aircraft, and learn if I am off track. Please don't take as an attack. [b:fa823cf774]I appreciate the feed-back, no problem[/b:fa823cf774] [b:fa823cf774]Thanks again, Dan[/b:fa823cf774] Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org


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    Time: 02:55:58 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: fuel system
    From: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
    Hi Dan Will reply below **** No, but plan to install a pin that will go into the console that will do same with no spring to wear out. **** Safety lock is a good idea. Note on spring that in your and your children lifetime, don't think it will fail! I used Stainless spring wire from McMaster Carr. If anyone needs some, send me a SASE to: Ron Parigoris 44 Carriage Drive Kings Park, NY 11754 with a note. May I suggest you install spring along with your pin, easy install and very positive. Had no idea of this as it's not mentioned anywhere in the Andair literature. I'll have a look and see if I can figure out what it is you're suggesting. **** There is 1 dimple per screw, center punch flat head into dimple and it is a mechanical locker. > Looking at your fuel system, you may as well get rid of Andair 375 as > things are now, it is nothing more than a single point to catch all debris > that can pass right through Europa filters! > [b:fa823cf774]This didn't occur to me, but you're right. I'm going to place the 375 after the pumps as I've seen others do. ***** NO NO NO NO NO !!!!! You missed point. putting 375 downstream of supplied filters is foolish no matter where you put it or them! It will not catch water because not much water will pass the supplied filters, but it will only serve to restrict flow, and possibly be a single point clog when debris clogs it that passes supplied filter/s! Read what I initial wrote, plumb as per Europas current schematic down loadable from Europas website 914FWF, use your 375 on pump 1 intake, and use paralleled supplied filters for second inlet. Or use two 375s. I can appreciate your 2 tank outlet filters for ease of first flights, but think they will compromise where I doubt when engine quits at low altitude you can switch tanks fast enough to save the day. > > Did you clean the filters in your fuel pump after a few hours of running? > [b:fa823cf774]Haven't run it yet but will clean before first flight. **** See Gilles site, follow my procedure letting primary pump run for at least 2 hours, then the second pump for at least 2 hours. Best have one of those pleated disposable filters (or similar) to not return that black to your fuel. After all that running (and cleaning out the messy sealant and grease you assembled the gasculators with, that is when you clean pump intake filters. I don't have full knowledge of the Teflon lined hose you speak of, but I > would be very careful using automotive Teflon lined hose in an aeroplane. > [b:fa823cf774]This was suggested on EAA's site. It's R9 Gates hose. If I were to use it, I would want the blessing of the hose Mfg. that it is OK for use on an aircraft, if not, I probably would not use it. You have hose clamps, when fuel flows through hose it develops static electricity, not are you going to trust your life, and your family's life, and lives of kids screaming on the playground that static is not going to discharge and burn pinholes through Teflon lining and cause problems? If yes, after you do your due diligence, then by all means use it. I have been told by IAs and others to use Aeroquip Race Hose and have seen it being used. That does not mean it is a good idea. Please let us know what you find. Ron Parigoris


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    Time: 03:48:18 PM PST US
    From: "Robt.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
    Subject: fuel system
    Hi! Ron Thanks for that. Actually I had the Rotax main agent do all the fuel flow and pressure tests. So it had better be right! ..but then again he doesn't have to fly with it! Regards Bob Harrison.G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us Sent: 03 November 2007 18:23 Subject: RE: Europa-List: fuel system Hi Bob One more point: "Clean system flows were well in spec. before flight testing."


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    Time: 03:52:30 PM PST US
    From: "craig bastin" <craigb@onthenet.com.au>
    Subject: fuel selectors etc
    Just a quick survey, on what people are using in the way of fuel selectors gascolators etc, I am thinking of the andair (seem most people like these) selector and the STC - PMA gascolator, to be used with one of the 140hp fuel injected 914's, any thoughts, issues i might have with this combo would be appreciated thanks 9:46 PM




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